Re: [Wikimedia-l] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0
Hi, Did not read your whole argument, but as a collection of brute facts, it is hard to see how the content of wikidata could be in something else than public domain. As a whole, the database could present a Sui generis database right (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sui_generis_database_right) , but individual contributors would not have rights in this scheme as they have in wikipedia use case. Xavier Combelle Le 29/11/2017 à 22:45, Mathieu Stumpf Guntz a écrit : > Saluton ĉiuj, > > I forward here the message I initially posted on the Meta Tremendous > Wiktionary User Group talk page > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiktionary/Tremendous_Wiktionary_User_Group#An_answer_to_Lydia_general_thinking_about_Wikidata_and_CC-0>, > because I'm interested to have a wider feedback of the community on this > point. Whether you think that my view is completely misguided or that I > might have a few relevant points, I'm extremely interested to know it, > so please be bold. > > Before you consider digging further in this reading, keep in mind that I > stay convinced that Wikidata is a wonderful project and I wish it a > bright future full of even more amazing things than what it already > brung so far. My sole concern is really a license issue. > > Bellow is a copy/paste of the above linked message: > > Thank you Lydia Pintscher > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Lydia_Pintscher_%28WMDE%29> for > taking the time to answer. Unfortunately this answer > <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Lydia_Pintscher_%28WMDE%29/CC-0> > miss too many important points to solve all concerns which have been raised. > > Notably, there is still no beginning of hint in it about where the > decision of using CC0 exclusively for Wikidata came from. But as this > inquiry on the topic > <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/fr:Recherche:La_licence_CC-0_de_Wikidata,_origine_du_choix,_enjeux,_et_prospections_sur_les_aspects_de_gouvernance_communautaire_et_d%E2%80%99%C3%A9quit%C3%A9_contributive> > advance, an answer is emerging from it. It seems that Wikidata choice > toward CC0 was heavily influenced by Denny Vrandečić, who – to make it > short – is now working in the Google Knowledge Graph team. Also it worth > noting that Google funded a quarter of the initial development work. > Another quarter came from the Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation, > established by Intel co-founder. And half the money came from Microsoft > co-founder Paul Allen's Institute for Artificial Intelligence (AI2)[1] > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiktionary/Tremendous_Wiktionary_User_Group#cite_note-1>. > To state it shortly in a conspirational fashion, Wikidata is the puppet > trojan horse of big tech hegemonic companies into the realm of > Wikimedia. For a less tragic, more argumentative version, please see the > research project (work in progress, only chapter 1 is in good enough > shape, and it's only available in French so far). Some proofs that this > claim is completely wrong are welcome, as it would be great that in fact > that was the community that was the driving force behind this single > license choice and that it is the best choice for its future, not the > future of giant tech companies. This would be a great contribution to > bring such a happy light on this subject, so we can all let this issue > alone and go back contributing in more interesting topics. > > Now let's examine the thoughts proposed by Lydia. > > Wikidata is here to give more people more access to more knowledge. > So far, it makes it matches Wikimedia movement stated goal. > This means we want our data to be used as widely as possible. > Sure, as long as it rhymes with equity. As in /Our strategic > direction: Service and //*Equity*/ > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction/Endorsement#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity>. > Just like we want freedom for everybody as widely as possible. That > is, starting where it confirms each others freedom. Because under > this level, freedom of one is murder and slavery of others. > CC-0 is one step towards that. > That's a thesis, you can propose to defend it but no one have to > agree without some convincing proof. > Data is different from many other things we produce in Wikimedia in that > it is aggregated, combined, mashed-up, filtered, and so on much more > extensively. > No it's not. From a data processing point of view, everything is > data. Whether it's stored in a wikisyntax, in a relational database > or engraved in stone only have a commodity side effect. Whether it's > a random stream of bit generated by a dumb chipset or some encoded > prose of Shakespeare make no difference
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The other side of the crisis at WMFR
Emeric, When you say, that no sanction has filed his HR record, you are half or completely lying. The existence of a "rappel à l'ordre" (warning) is an argument which can support fire someone of the staff so it should be in a HR record. In the same way Sylvain never said he is writing his email on behalf of an union of the employees of Wikimedia France but that he is the representative of the the employees of Wikimedia France which is plenty true. From the whole wikimedia france, movement, during the #wmfrgate, it was only you Emeric and the old direction as a whole that your declaration don't match the facts or your subsequent declaration, as it it happened during the #bandeaugate in summer last year. I have still to see the said "lies" from your opponent which contradicts other public information (apart the words of you and the old direction) Xavier Combelle Le 23/11/2017 à 20:54, Emeric Vallespi a écrit : > Sylvain, > > I have to answer to your email where you’re especially lying. > You say that you’re writing on behalf of a union section of the employees of > Wikimedia France but I’m personally curious to know the weight of this union > section. My question is actually: who else is represented by your email, if > not yourself? > > Moreover, you’re saying that you received a « warning » (?) because you had a > girlfriend. Is it serious? > Your employer asked you to distinguish professional time and personal time. > Indeed, you were reminded that you had to dedicate your work hours to the > missions that were devoted to you and not to solve problems related to your > personal life, especially if it interferes with organization’s activities and > governance. It is also you who came, on your own, to tell us about the > complexity of your personal and relationship situation in order to benefit of > professional arrangements. The direction never looked for, nor asked, any > information on this subject. > > You’re mentioning the cancellation of the letter. Since, to my knowledge, no > sanction has been filed to your HR record, I do not really see what have been > canceled. > I can understand that supporting your new board of trustees, involved in the > governance issues and in the criminal complaints filed is critical to show > your loyalty. > > Do you know how impatient am I to discover your next fable? I guess the only > one never mentioned yet is maybe about a murder or something (although a > streetfight scenario has already been invented x’D). > > I think it was important to re-explain all those points so that the > community, which is - again - unnecessarily taken as witness, is not deceived > by a scenario built from scratch. > Again, to discredit the movement by such erroneous but public accusations > still shows that only personal interests and vainness matter in this conflict > with some people. > > For months, several lies have been told by different people. Because the > Wikimedia community protect itself and its members by harassing and defaming > people who question the probity and integrity of some of its members doesn’t > make of this lies the truth. > > Best regards to all of you, > -- > Emeric Vallespi > >> On 22 Nov 2017, at 13:37, Sylvain Boissel <sylvain.bois...@wikimedia.fr> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Katherine, >> >> 2017-10-19 23:19 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <kma...@wikimedia.org>: >> >>> [...] >>> We are committed to working with the new Wikimédia France conseil >>> d’administration (governing board) to support the French community as they >>> work to address and resolve these and other outstanding issues. The >>> Wikimedia Foundation and the new leadership of Wikimédia France are already >>> cooperating to address the governance-related concerns raised by the >>> volunteer Funds Dissemination Committee in the first half of 2017. As part >>> of this work, we have encouraged them to review how they will independently >>> handle claims of harassment in the future. The Wikimedia Foundation and >>> Wikimédia France share a common goal: a healthy, welcoming, respectful, >>> inclusive Wikimedia community in France. >>> >>> I know I am not alone in my dismay for how these events have unfolded. Many >>> dedicated, good-faith members of the French community, including current >>> community members and present and former Wikimédia France board and staff >>> members, have experienced distress and anxiety over recent months. Those >>> outside of the community have watched with dismay as our peers and friends >>> have found themselves disoriented, distressed, alienated, or at odds with >>> one
[Wikimedia-l] reply to Emeric
thalie's accusation of sexual harassment. To make it clear I don't know if there was harassment or not, I'm just not convinced enough to believe that the sexual harassment was real. Xavier Combelle ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
