Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] GLAM Mailing lists

[Bohdan Melnychuk]

By cabalish I mean not closed lists with clear membership process as 
cultural partners is but the like of the paris group where you've got to 
be a part of a cabal in order to even know about it (or have cabal 
member mention it somewhere in front of you).


--Base

On 10.06.2015 13:46, Andy Mabbett wrote:

On 8 June 2015 at 23:35, Bohdan Melnychuk  wrote:


I'm sorry if some of the lists I listed were intended as cabalish and not to
be disclosed to others. I don't think cabalish lists are a good way to
collaborate for wikimedians.

"Cabalish" is rather a pejorative term. We have a closed GLAM list so
that we can have frank discussions without embarrassing our partner
organisations. if ether was no such list, then those discussions would
move to private emails, not become public.





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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] GLAM Mailing lists

[Bohdan Melnychuk]

Yes, that's the one I'm about. It's good that all these things are 
documented at least somewhere but it would be good to have them in one 
place. I don't think it's a very nice thing when we have almost half a 
dozen of GLAM lists all documented in different places. It's not very 
important who actually hosts them.


I suggest that all GLAM lists are to be listed on 
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Mailing_lists with some details 
on them.

--Base

On 09.06.2015 13:40, Liam Wyatt wrote:
I'm guessing that he's referring to the attendees of a GLAM meeting 
that was held in Paris a few months ago and is comprehensively 
documented on Meta: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2015_European_GLAMwiki_Coordinators_meeting 

Yesterday, I asked the ~15 attendees of that meeting a followup 
question about my own work, and called them the "paris group" in that 
email as a shorthand. As far as I know, that's the only time the 
phrase has been used in a GLAM-specific context.


-Liam

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On 9 June 2015 at 12:15, Benoît Evellin (Trizek) 
mailto:bevel...@wikimedia.org>> wrote:


Hello Base

Guessing from your first email, the "Paris group" you mention may
be this mailing list hosted by Wikimédia France
, which allows people living
in Paris discuss about their local IRL actions (like visiting
museums).

This list is not a generic mailing-list, like lists hosted by WMF.

Best,
Benoît

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 2:54 AM, Bohdan Melnychuk mailto:bas...@yandex.ru>> wrote:

Your comment does not cover the fact that not all lists are
hosted by lists.wikimedia.org .

E.g. cultural partnership is here:

https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/cultural-partners

Some other chapters also host lists and there're googlegroups
to consider. That's a one thing why a mere server listing of
lists does not suffice. Another is that an automatical list
listing isn't where you can write rules, membership
procedure/criteria and other stuff needed for transparency.
Well not just transparency issue but also of need to
concentrate data in one place is to be considered.
--Base


On 09.06.2015 3:40, Philippe Beaudette wrote:

The canonical home for the list of lists is
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo. While it is
possible to have
a list hidden from there, it would be pretty unusual for a
GLAM list, I
think.

pb


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Foundation, Inc.
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phili...@wikimedia.org  | 
:  @Philippewiki




On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Bohdan Melnychuk
mailto:bas...@yandex.ru>> wrote:

Hi guys.

Just how many GLAM lists do we have?

Not counting regional ones, I know of GLAM,
Cultural-Partners, Libraries,
got to know about existence of some the "paris group"
(not sure if it's
even a mailing list technically, but in case it's not
then it's weird even
more). Perhaps there are some (or is it many?) others.

Should they not be all listed in one place, e.g. on
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Mailing_lists
with clear data
about who manages them, what are their scope, rules
and how you might joint
them?

Just having many is already confusing but when you
can't even get a list
of all of them it's confusing even more.

I'm sorry if some of the lists I listed were intended
as cabalish and not
to be disclosed to others. I don't think cabalish
lists are a good way to
collaborate for wikimedians.

Yours sincerely,
Base

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] GLAM Mailing lists

[Jane Darnell]

Yes, this mailing list is still alive, and the membership is open to
Wikipedians who understand how to jump the hoops of the meta page. The meta
page is not only the place where you can sign up for the list, but also the
place where you should discuss this list if you object to it in any way. I
am one of several list admins who adds people to the list based on the
sign-up page and emails that come in.
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Mailing_lists

The biggest reason for it being closed is to ensure that we can speak
honestly about projects with have had with external partners - because GLAM
is inherently about building professional and long-term relationships
externally

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Ilario Valdelli <
ilario.valde...@wikimedia.ch> wrote:

> Hi,
> the mailing list of cultural partners "hosted by" Wikimedia CH is not a
> Wikimedia CH mailing list.
>
> I remember that a lot of year ago, during the Wikimedia conferences, the
> chapters asked to have some mailing lists to discussed themes like GLAMs.
>
> I, as member of the staff of Wikimedia CH, don't have access.
>
> The best is to ask to the administrators of the mailing list if it is
> still alive.
>
> Regards
>
> On 09/Giu/2015 02.54.04, Bohdan Melnychuk wrote:
>
> Your comment does not cover the fact that not all lists are hosted by
> lists.wikimedia.org.
>
> E.g. cultural partnership is here:
>
> https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/cultural-partners
>
> Some other chapters also host lists and there're googlegroups to consider.
> That's a one thing why a mere server listing of lists does not suffice.
> Another is that an automatical list listing isn't where you can write
> rules, membership procedure/criteria and other stuff needed for
> transparency. Well not just transparency issue but also of need to
> concentrate data in one place is to be considered.
> --Base
>
>
> On 09.06.2015 3:40, Philippe Beaudette wrote:
>
> The canonical home for the list of lists is
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo. While it is possible to have
> a list hidden from there, it would be pretty unusual for a GLAM list, I
> think.
>
> pb
>
>
> *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia
> Foundation, Inc.
> T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org <#14dd7fbfeb3fdcd1_> | :
> @Philippewiki
> 
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Bohdan Melnychuk  <#14dd7fbfeb3fdcd1_>te:
>
> Hi guys.
>
> Just how many GLAM lists do we have?
>
> Not counting regional ones, I know of GLAM, Cultural-Partners, Libraries,
> got to know about existence of some the "paris group" (not sure if it's
> even a mailing list technically, but in case it's not then it's weird even
> more). Perhaps there are some (or is it many?) others.
>
> Should they not be all listed in one place, e.g. on
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Mailing_lists with clear data
> about who manages them, what are their scope, rules and how you might joint
> them?
>
> Just having many is already confusing but when you can't even get a list
> of all of them it's confusing even more.
>
> I'm sorry if some of the lists I listed were intended as cabalish and not
> to be disclosed to others. I don't think cabalish lists are a good way to
> collaborate for wikimedians.
>
> Yours sincerely,
> Base
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] GLAM Mailing lists

[Liam Wyatt]

I'm guessing that he's referring to the attendees of a GLAM meeting that
was held in Paris a few months ago and is comprehensively documented on
Meta:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2015_European_GLAMwiki_Coordinators_meeting
Yesterday, I asked the ~15 attendees of that meeting a followup question
about my own work, and called them the "paris group" in that email as a
shorthand. As far as I know, that's the only time the phrase has been used
in a GLAM-specific context.

-Liam

wittylama.com
Peace, love & metadata

On 9 June 2015 at 12:15, Benoît Evellin (Trizek) 
wrote:

> Hello Base
>
> Guessing from your first email, the "Paris group" you mention may be this
> mailing list hosted by Wikimédia France
> , which allows people living in
> Paris discuss about their local IRL actions (like visiting museums).
>
> This list is not a generic mailing-list, like lists hosted by WMF.
>
> Best,
> Benoît
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 2:54 AM, Bohdan Melnychuk  wrote:
>
>> Your comment does not cover the fact that not all lists are hosted by
>> lists.wikimedia.org.
>>
>> E.g. cultural partnership is here:
>>
>> https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/cultural-partners
>>
>> Some other chapters also host lists and there're googlegroups to
>> consider. That's a one thing why a mere server listing of lists does not
>> suffice. Another is that an automatical list listing isn't where you can
>> write rules, membership procedure/criteria and other stuff needed for
>> transparency. Well not just transparency issue but also of need to
>> concentrate data in one place is to be considered.
>> --Base
>>
>>
>> On 09.06.2015 3:40, Philippe Beaudette wrote:
>>
>>> The canonical home for the list of lists is
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo.  While it is possible to
>>> have
>>> a list hidden from there, it would be pretty unusual for a GLAM list, I
>>> think.
>>>
>>> pb
>>>
>>>
>>> *Philippe Beaudette * \\  Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia
>>> Foundation, Inc.
>>> T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 |  phili...@wikimedia.org  |  :  @Philippewiki
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Bohdan Melnychuk 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi guys.

 Just how many GLAM lists do we have?

 Not counting regional ones, I know of GLAM, Cultural-Partners,
 Libraries,
 got to know about existence of some the "paris group" (not sure if it's
 even a mailing list technically, but in case it's not then it's weird
 even
 more). Perhaps there are some (or is it many?) others.

 Should they not be all listed in one place, e.g. on
 https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Mailing_lists with clear data
 about who manages them, what are their scope, rules and how you might
 joint
 them?

 Just having many is already confusing but when you can't even get a list
 of all of them it's confusing even more.

 I'm sorry if some of the lists I listed were intended as cabalish and
 not
 to be disclosed to others. I don't think cabalish lists are a good way
 to
 collaborate for wikimedians.

 Yours sincerely,
 Base

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