Re: [Wikimedia-l] How To Recover From Having Made A Mistake [a reminder]

[Kelly Battles]

Thank you Ad!
Hi everyone, I am Kelly : ) !

Seriously, very happy to be part of this amazing effort.
Have lots to learn but committed to doing my best.
Thank you everyone for giving me this opportunity.
Happy New Year and here is to a great 2016!
Best,
Kelly

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:21 AM, Ad Huikeshoven  wrote:

> Hi All, and Asaf,
>
> Thanks for the advice Asaf. I've made a mistake and processed steps 1 and
> 2.
> Step 3
>
>- what the mistake was, as precisely as possible (e.g. not "I used bad
>judgment" but "I neglected to look at relevant data before deciding to
> fund
>Wikimedia Antarctica");
>
> I failed to welcome incoming directors to the board of the Wikimedia
> Foundation and I failed to thank outgoing directors of the same board for
> the time and effort they have spent.
>
>- that you are sorry about the harm/damage/waste/confusion your mistake
>caused (being specific would demonstrate understanding);
>
> I'm sorry for this unpolite and rude behavior.
>
>- what you have learned from making this mistake;
>
> The Wikimedia Movement depends on volunteers and on the willingness of
> capable people to contirbute their time and effort. Volunteers not only to
> edit Wikipedia and others projects, and commit to Gerrit but also spend
> time on governing bodies like the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia
> Foundation. For the diverse communities of volunteering people in the
> movement to thrive it is esstential to retain a welcoming culture and show
> respect for those who do boring tasks and the janitoral work.
>
>- what steps you have already taken to redress the damage or undo the
>results of your mistake;
>
> So far I've done nothing to repair this mistake, except reading the ongoing
> discussion on wikimedia-l and thinking about what is going on and preparing
> this e-mail.
> To repair the damage done:
>
>1. Hereby my welcome to Kelly Battles. Don't be shy to introduce
>yourself to this list. I wish you a lot of strength and wisdom while
>serving your time on the board.
>2. Hereby my welcome to Arnnon Geshuri. You left Google in 2009. I don't
>know if you were sacked or that you fled from the illegal practices you
>were forced to commit in your position at Google. I sincerely belief you
>have learned your lesson over six years ago. You now have a paid
> position
>at Tesla Motors, a company destined to disrupt the automobile industry.
>Welcome again to the Wikimedia movement which does not aim to disrupt
> the
>automobile industry. Wikipedia does disrupt a whole range of other
>industries, but please be aware that Wikipedia started after most paper
>encyclopedias were already out of print. I wish you a lot of strength
>and wisdom while serving your time on the board.
>3. La bienvenida al movimiento Jaime Villagomez. I wish you a lot of
>strength and wisdom while serving your time on the board as CFO. I'll
>assume you will going to be or become Treasurer of the Board of
> Trustees of
>the Wikimedia Foundation. You will have a pivotal role in assisting the
> BoT
>in performing a series of 'fiduciary duties'. I wish you a lot of
>strength and wisdom in your job.
>4. Goodbye James Heilman, and thanks for volunteering your time on the
>Board of Trustees. You've been fired. Don't take it personally.
>5. Goodbye Stu West, and thanks for volunteering your time on the Board
>of Trustees.
>6. Goodbye Jan-Bart de Vreede, and thanks for volunteering your time on
>the Board of Trustees.
>
>
>- what steps you are going to take to mitigate or reduce the odds of a
>mistake of this sort recurring, including timelines for specific
> actions,
>if possible and applicable; and
>
> My preferred habit of welcoming and thanking people is in real life
> meeting, to have the opportunity to shake hands, kiss, hug, whatever, and
> hand over a symbolic when I feel like to it. Opportunities for them abound,
> including, but not limited to the Wikimedia Conference in Berlin and
> Wikimania Esino Lario.
>
>- invite comments on your understanding as reflected in this post,
>explicitly encouraging people to tell you if they think you've missed
> the
>point or if one of your intended actions is inadvisable, insufficient,
> or
>can otherwise be improved.
>
>
> Please comment on my understanding as reflected in this post. Did I miss
> the point? Please tell me! What do you think about my intended and
> preferred way of welcoming incoming directors, and thanking outgoing
> directors? Is there a way to improve on this?
>
>
> Ad Huikeshoven
>
> P.S.
>
> The board of Wikimedia Nederland will meet on Thursday January 21st.
> Wikimedia Nederland is an affiliate of the Wikimedia Foundation. It's
> mission is to further the mission of the Wikimedia Foundation and the
> Wikimedia Movement in the Netherlands. This mail was sent by me without
> it's content being read 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How To Recover From Having Made A Mistake [a reminder]

[Tito Dutta]

Thanks Asaf for sharing this (for last 3 days I am thinking to send this
email)

Hello Kelly :)

On 14 January 2016 at 12:27, Kelly Battles  wrote:

> Thank you Ad!
> Hi everyone, I am Kelly : ) !
>
> Seriously, very happy to be part of this amazing effort.
> Have lots to learn but committed to doing my best.
> Thank you everyone for giving me this opportunity.
> Happy New Year and here is to a great 2016!
> Best,
> Kelly
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:21 AM, Ad Huikeshoven  wrote:
>
> > Hi All, and Asaf,
> >
> > Thanks for the advice Asaf. I've made a mistake and processed steps 1 and
> > 2.
> > Step 3
> >
> >- what the mistake was, as precisely as possible (e.g. not "I used bad
> >judgment" but "I neglected to look at relevant data before deciding to
> > fund
> >Wikimedia Antarctica");
> >
> > I failed to welcome incoming directors to the board of the Wikimedia
> > Foundation and I failed to thank outgoing directors of the same board for
> > the time and effort they have spent.
> >
> >- that you are sorry about the harm/damage/waste/confusion your
> mistake
> >caused (being specific would demonstrate understanding);
> >
> > I'm sorry for this unpolite and rude behavior.
> >
> >- what you have learned from making this mistake;
> >
> > The Wikimedia Movement depends on volunteers and on the willingness of
> > capable people to contirbute their time and effort. Volunteers not only
> to
> > edit Wikipedia and others projects, and commit to Gerrit but also spend
> > time on governing bodies like the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia
> > Foundation. For the diverse communities of volunteering people in the
> > movement to thrive it is esstential to retain a welcoming culture and
> show
> > respect for those who do boring tasks and the janitoral work.
> >
> >- what steps you have already taken to redress the damage or undo the
> >results of your mistake;
> >
> > So far I've done nothing to repair this mistake, except reading the
> ongoing
> > discussion on wikimedia-l and thinking about what is going on and
> preparing
> > this e-mail.
> > To repair the damage done:
> >
> >1. Hereby my welcome to Kelly Battles. Don't be shy to introduce
> >yourself to this list. I wish you a lot of strength and wisdom while
> >serving your time on the board.
> >2. Hereby my welcome to Arnnon Geshuri. You left Google in 2009. I
> don't
> >know if you were sacked or that you fled from the illegal practices
> you
> >were forced to commit in your position at Google. I sincerely belief
> you
> >have learned your lesson over six years ago. You now have a paid
> > position
> >at Tesla Motors, a company destined to disrupt the automobile
> industry.
> >Welcome again to the Wikimedia movement which does not aim to disrupt
> > the
> >automobile industry. Wikipedia does disrupt a whole range of other
> >industries, but please be aware that Wikipedia started after most
> paper
> >encyclopedias were already out of print. I wish you a lot of strength
> >and wisdom while serving your time on the board.
> >3. La bienvenida al movimiento Jaime Villagomez. I wish you a lot of
> >strength and wisdom while serving your time on the board as CFO. I'll
> >assume you will going to be or become Treasurer of the Board of
> > Trustees of
> >the Wikimedia Foundation. You will have a pivotal role in assisting
> the
> > BoT
> >in performing a series of 'fiduciary duties'. I wish you a lot of
> >strength and wisdom in your job.
> >4. Goodbye James Heilman, and thanks for volunteering your time on the
> >Board of Trustees. You've been fired. Don't take it personally.
> >5. Goodbye Stu West, and thanks for volunteering your time on the
> Board
> >of Trustees.
> >6. Goodbye Jan-Bart de Vreede, and thanks for volunteering your time
> on
> >the Board of Trustees.
> >
> >
> >- what steps you are going to take to mitigate or reduce the odds of a
> >mistake of this sort recurring, including timelines for specific
> > actions,
> >if possible and applicable; and
> >
> > My preferred habit of welcoming and thanking people is in real life
> > meeting, to have the opportunity to shake hands, kiss, hug, whatever, and
> > hand over a symbolic when I feel like to it. Opportunities for them
> abound,
> > including, but not limited to the Wikimedia Conference in Berlin and
> > Wikimania Esino Lario.
> >
> >- invite comments on your understanding as reflected in this post,
> >explicitly encouraging people to tell you if they think you've missed
> > the
> >point or if one of your intended actions is inadvisable, insufficient,
> > or
> >can otherwise be improved.
> >
> >
> > Please comment on my understanding as reflected in this post. Did I miss
> > the point? Please tell me! What do you think about my intended and
> > preferred way of welcoming incoming directors, and thanking 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How To Recover From Having Made A Mistake [a reminder]

[Shani]

​+1
to Asaf & Yaroslav. Well put.

Shani. ​

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:47 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter 
wrote:

> On 2016-01-11 19:37, Asaf Bartov wrote:
>
>> Hello, everyone.
>>
>> It occurs to me this might be a good time to recycle this piece of advice
>> I
>> have had some past occasions to offer some newcomers to the movement:
>>
>>
> <...>
>
> Q: Are you suggesting this applies to current goings-on?
>> A: I suggest it applies to every situation involving humans.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> A.
>>
>
> That was absolutely fabulous, thanks Asaf.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How To Recover From Having Made A Mistake [a reminder]

[Yury Bulka]

Michael Peel  writes:

>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 18:47, Yaroslav M. Blanter  wrote:
>> 
>> On 2016-01-11 19:37, Asaf Bartov wrote:
>>> Hello, everyone.
>>> It occurs to me this might be a good time to recycle this piece of advice I
>>> have had some past occasions to offer some newcomers to the movement:
>> 
>> <...>
>> 
>>> Q: Are you suggesting this applies to current goings-on?
>>> A: I suggest it applies to every situation involving humans.
>>> Cheers,
>>>A.
>> 
>> That was absolutely fabulous, thanks Asaf.
>
> +1, that's a great post, Asaf! All very sensible advice. Can I suggest that 
> you put a copy on Meta somewhere, so it doesn't get (too) lost over time / 
> for easy future reference?
+1

Yury Bulka
[[User:Юрій Булка]]

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How To Recover From Having Made A Mistake [a reminder]

[Austin Hair]

I just wanted to pile on along with the three +1s I just approved in
the moderation queue.

Austin

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Asaf Bartov  wrote:
> Hello, everyone.
>
> It occurs to me this might be a good time to recycle this piece of advice I
> have had some past occasions to offer some newcomers to the movement:
>
> *So you've made a mistake and it's public...*
>
> Step 0:
> Understand that there is no point in pretending you have not made a mistake.
>
> Step 1:
> *Think* about the mistake you have made.  What led you to make it?  Were
> you acting on bad information? Without sufficient information? On
> intuition? Were you pressed by a deadline or by a strong opinion from
> someone else?  Were you following a broken process?  Did you act on the
> basis of circumstances you wish were the case rather than the circumstances
> that are in fact the case?
> (if it helps, consider writing down your answers to these questions,
> privately.)
>
> Then, think about what can be redressed/undone/reverted about your mistake.
>
> Step 2:
> *Think* about the prospects of making this mistake, or a mistake of its
> kind, again.  How likely is it?  Based on learning from this mistake, what
> steps are you able to take to mitigate or reduce the odds of its
> recurrence?  Of those steps, which are you *willing* to take?  Of those,
> which can you take right now, before responding in public?  Which are you
> ready to commit to, longer term?
>
> Step 3:
> Armed with your best thinking from Steps 1 and 2, write a concise(!) public
> e-mail acknowledging (as clearly and crisply as possible) --
> a. that you have made a mistake
> b. what the mistake was, as precisely as possible (e.g. not "I used bad
> judgment" but "I neglected to look at relevant data before deciding to fund
> Wikimedia Antarctica")
> c. what you have learned from making this mistake.
> d. what steps you have already taken to redress the damage or undo the
> results of your mistake.
> e. what steps you are going to take to mitigate or reduce the odds of a
> mistake of this sort recurring.  (Include timelines for specific actions,
> if possible/applicable.)
> f. invite comments on your understanding as reflected in this e-mail.
> Explicitly encourage people to tell you if they think you've missed the
> point or if one of your intended actions is inadvisable, insufficient, or
> can otherwise be improved.
>
> Step 4:
> Actually follow-through on the redressing/undoing actions and on the steps
> you've committed to taking.  Take steps to ensure follow-up on steps that
> cannot be taken at once (e.g. if one of your corrective steps is to ensure
> X gets discussed in your next Annual General Meeting, set appropriate
> reminders to make sure that you actually discuss that by the time that AGM
> happens.)
>
> Important notes:
> 1. Do not hesitate to ask for help at any step of this process.  Either
> reach out to people whose judgment (and discreetness, if necessary) you
> trust, or publicly acknowledge you're having trouble with something (e.g.
> "Hi, folks. I'm thinking about this mistake, and I have a hard time
> figuring out how to balance the need for fresh data with the amount of time
> it takes to generate and review that data.  Does anyone have some thoughts
> on how to best do that?")
>
> 2. In the public note, and throughout the process, be sure to *talk like a
> human being*.  Avoid jargon; avoid sounding like your note has been
> prepared by a Damage Control Specialist.  Just tell it like it is.  People
> know the difference.
>
> That's it.  It's not as hard as it sounds.
>
> *Q:  *(this part isn't recycled)
>
> Q: Should I really go through this whole thing every time I make a mistake?
> A: Ideally, yes.  And it doesn't have to take very long, if you are in the
> habit of being honest in your own mind.  However, as with everything, apply
> your good judgment, and use whatever abbreviated version of this you deem
> appropriate.
>
> Q: Wouldn't following this result in drama and upset the community?
> A: No.  On the contrary.  Our community understands humans are fallible,
> and responds *very well* to (what it perceives as) honest admissions of
> error, commitments to improve, and (most of all) demonstrated learning.
>
> Q: Still, there would be some drama, no?
> A: Yes, there may be some drama, in the short term.  Have we mentioned
> humans are fallible?
>
> Q: So, wouldn't it be better to silently learn the lessons and move on?
> A: No.  Sunlight is the best disinfectant, as Judge Brandeis observed.
> Proper handling of mistakes is a sterling quality in anyone, and
> particularly important in a leader or public servant of any kind.  It pays
> long-term dividends.
>
> Q: What should I do when I see someone else is making a mistake?
> A: When you see others making mistakes, help them *see* them (first of all)
> and deal with them (e.g. by recycling this text, or by independently
> offering your analysis and answers to Steps 

[Wikimedia-l] How To Recover From Having Made A Mistake [a reminder]

[Asaf Bartov]

Hello, everyone.

It occurs to me this might be a good time to recycle this piece of advice I
have had some past occasions to offer some newcomers to the movement:

*So you've made a mistake and it's public...*

Step 0:
Understand that there is no point in pretending you have not made a mistake.

Step 1:
*Think* about the mistake you have made.  What led you to make it?  Were
you acting on bad information? Without sufficient information? On
intuition? Were you pressed by a deadline or by a strong opinion from
someone else?  Were you following a broken process?  Did you act on the
basis of circumstances you wish were the case rather than the circumstances
that are in fact the case?
(if it helps, consider writing down your answers to these questions,
privately.)

Then, think about what can be redressed/undone/reverted about your mistake.

Step 2:
*Think* about the prospects of making this mistake, or a mistake of its
kind, again.  How likely is it?  Based on learning from this mistake, what
steps are you able to take to mitigate or reduce the odds of its
recurrence?  Of those steps, which are you *willing* to take?  Of those,
which can you take right now, before responding in public?  Which are you
ready to commit to, longer term?

Step 3:
Armed with your best thinking from Steps 1 and 2, write a concise(!) public
e-mail acknowledging (as clearly and crisply as possible) --
a. that you have made a mistake
b. what the mistake was, as precisely as possible (e.g. not "I used bad
judgment" but "I neglected to look at relevant data before deciding to fund
Wikimedia Antarctica")
c. what you have learned from making this mistake.
d. what steps you have already taken to redress the damage or undo the
results of your mistake.
e. what steps you are going to take to mitigate or reduce the odds of a
mistake of this sort recurring.  (Include timelines for specific actions,
if possible/applicable.)
f. invite comments on your understanding as reflected in this e-mail.
Explicitly encourage people to tell you if they think you've missed the
point or if one of your intended actions is inadvisable, insufficient, or
can otherwise be improved.

Step 4:
Actually follow-through on the redressing/undoing actions and on the steps
you've committed to taking.  Take steps to ensure follow-up on steps that
cannot be taken at once (e.g. if one of your corrective steps is to ensure
X gets discussed in your next Annual General Meeting, set appropriate
reminders to make sure that you actually discuss that by the time that AGM
happens.)

Important notes:
1. Do not hesitate to ask for help at any step of this process.  Either
reach out to people whose judgment (and discreetness, if necessary) you
trust, or publicly acknowledge you're having trouble with something (e.g.
"Hi, folks. I'm thinking about this mistake, and I have a hard time
figuring out how to balance the need for fresh data with the amount of time
it takes to generate and review that data.  Does anyone have some thoughts
on how to best do that?")

2. In the public note, and throughout the process, be sure to *talk like a
human being*.  Avoid jargon; avoid sounding like your note has been
prepared by a Damage Control Specialist.  Just tell it like it is.  People
know the difference.

That's it.  It's not as hard as it sounds.

*Q:  *(this part isn't recycled)

Q: Should I really go through this whole thing every time I make a mistake?
A: Ideally, yes.  And it doesn't have to take very long, if you are in the
habit of being honest in your own mind.  However, as with everything, apply
your good judgment, and use whatever abbreviated version of this you deem
appropriate.

Q: Wouldn't following this result in drama and upset the community?
A: No.  On the contrary.  Our community understands humans are fallible,
and responds *very well* to (what it perceives as) honest admissions of
error, commitments to improve, and (most of all) demonstrated learning.

Q: Still, there would be some drama, no?
A: Yes, there may be some drama, in the short term.  Have we mentioned
humans are fallible?

Q: So, wouldn't it be better to silently learn the lessons and move on?
A: No.  Sunlight is the best disinfectant, as Judge Brandeis observed.
Proper handling of mistakes is a sterling quality in anyone, and
particularly important in a leader or public servant of any kind.  It pays
long-term dividends.

Q: What should I do when I see someone else is making a mistake?
A: When you see others making mistakes, help them *see* them (first of all)
and deal with them (e.g. by recycling this text, or by independently
offering your analysis and answers to Steps 1 and 2 above).

Remember you make mistakes too, and be tolerant of the time it may take
people to accept that they have made a mistake. (But you don't need to
allow them to insist they have not made a mistake.)

Q: But isn't it true that organization/individual X made a mistake and
didn't follow this process at all?
A: Yes, it's true.  And how did that 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How To Recover From Having Made A Mistake [a reminder]

[Yaroslav M. Blanter]

On 2016-01-11 19:37, Asaf Bartov wrote:

Hello, everyone.

It occurs to me this might be a good time to recycle this piece of 
advice I

have had some past occasions to offer some newcomers to the movement:



<...>


Q: Are you suggesting this applies to current goings-on?
A: I suggest it applies to every situation involving humans.

Cheers,

A.


That was absolutely fabulous, thanks Asaf.

Cheers
Yaroslav

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How To Recover From Having Made A Mistake [a reminder]

[Michael Peel]

> On 11 Jan 2016, at 18:47, Yaroslav M. Blanter  wrote:
> 
> On 2016-01-11 19:37, Asaf Bartov wrote:
>> Hello, everyone.
>> It occurs to me this might be a good time to recycle this piece of advice I
>> have had some past occasions to offer some newcomers to the movement:
> 
> <...>
> 
>> Q: Are you suggesting this applies to current goings-on?
>> A: I suggest it applies to every situation involving humans.
>> Cheers,
>>A.
> 
> That was absolutely fabulous, thanks Asaf.

+1, that's a great post, Asaf! All very sensible advice. Can I suggest that you 
put a copy on Meta somewhere, so it doesn't get (too) lost over time / for easy 
future reference?

Thanks,
Mike


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How To Recover From Having Made A Mistake [a reminder]

[Andy Mabbett]

On 11 January 2016 at 18:37, Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> It occurs to me this might be a good time to recycle this piece of advice I
> have had some past occasions to offer some newcomers to the movement

That's very good, Is there a version (perhaps generic, rather than
with Wikimedia context) online, that can be linked to
from elsewhere?

-- 
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How To Recover From Having Made A Mistake [a reminder]

[Asaf Bartov]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On 11 January 2016 at 18:37, Asaf Bartov  wrote:
>
> > It occurs to me this might be a good time to recycle this piece of
> advice I
> > have had some past occasions to offer some newcomers to the movement
>
> That's very good, Is there a version (perhaps generic, rather than
> with Wikimedia context) online, that can be linked to
> from elsewhere?
>

Emboldened by these first few responses, I have posted it as an essay on
Meta:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/So_you%27ve_made_a_mistake_and_it%27s_public...

Now that it's on a wiki, I encourage editing and improving this, of course.
:)

   A.

-- 
Asaf Bartov
Wikimedia Foundation 

Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
https://donate.wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How To Recover From Having Made A Mistake [a reminder]

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 2016-01-11 1:37 PM, Asaf Bartov wrote:

"I neglected to look at relevant data before deciding to fund
Wikimedia Antarctica"


But, but... the editathon at McMurdo Station was a resounding success!

-- Marc

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How To Recover From Having Made A Mistake [a reminder]

[Pierre-Selim]

2016-01-11 20:58 GMT+01:00 Philippe Beaudette :

> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Marc A. Pelletier  >
> wrote:
>
> > On 2016-01-11 1:37 PM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
> >
> >> "I neglected to look at relevant data before deciding to fund
> >> Wikimedia Antarctica"
> >>
> >
> > But, but... the editathon at McMurdo Station was a resounding success!
> >
> > -- Marc
>
>
> Plus I know of at least one donation made from Antarctica, that year i ran
> the fundraiser...  If that isn't enough to justify chapter creation
>
>
Even commercial airline flies out there <
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/news/2015/11/30/boeing-757-lands-onantarctica-ice-runway/
>
We should do a Wikimania there.

Back on the topic, thanks for this Email Asaf.
It made me remember a very good workshop we had in Berlin at the #wmcon
last year about not being ashame of our failure, and try to learn from it.


> ​
> --
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How To Recover From Having Made A Mistake [a reminder]

[Andrew Gray]

On 11 January 2016 at 19:58, Philippe Beaudette  wrote:

> Plus I know of at least one donation made from Antarctica, that year i ran
> the fundraiser...  If that isn't enough to justify chapter creation

And, of course, after much prodding from Lodewijk, in 2013 we had:

http://wikilovesmonuments.aq/

(September is not a good monument-hunting month, so I think all
contributors had given us pictures from their existing collections...)

Asaf: wonderful piece as always.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How To Recover From Having Made A Mistake [a reminder]

[Philippe Beaudette]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Marc A. Pelletier 
wrote:

> On 2016-01-11 1:37 PM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
>
>> "I neglected to look at relevant data before deciding to fund
>> Wikimedia Antarctica"
>>
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> But, but... the editathon at McMurdo Station was a resounding success!
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> -- Marc


Plus I know of at least one donation made from Antarctica, that year i ran
the fundraiser...  If that isn't enough to justify chapter creation
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