Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username
On 10 May 2014 19:02, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: ... I'll take a look at Faebot keeping a table regularly synchronized on meta using the Google spreadsheets API. For anyone that may be interested in seeing which WMF employees have what advanced permissions, there is now a wikitable on meta automatically generated from the Google spreadsheet that the WMF maintains. The table is at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Advanced_Permissions I don't want to encourage folks to start relying on Google spreadsheets(!), however keeping spreadsheets like this in-sync with on-wiki tables is not a new issue. Anyone interested in how I did it can find a copy of the Python script at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Faebot/code/advanced_permissions I have also asked for a meta bot flag, as I'm planning for Faebot to check/update the table once a week: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_bot_status#Faebot Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username
Thanks so much for the help with this Fæ! James Alexander Legal and Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 19:02, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: ... I'll take a look at Faebot keeping a table regularly synchronized on meta using the Google spreadsheets API. For anyone that may be interested in seeing which WMF employees have what advanced permissions, there is now a wikitable on meta automatically generated from the Google spreadsheet that the WMF maintains. The table is at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Advanced_Permissions I don't want to encourage folks to start relying on Google spreadsheets(!), however keeping spreadsheets like this in-sync with on-wiki tables is not a new issue. Anyone interested in how I did it can find a copy of the Python script at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Faebot/code/advanced_permissions I have also asked for a meta bot flag, as I'm planning for Faebot to check/update the table once a week: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_bot_status#Faebot Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username
On 10 May 2014 19:02, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/04/2014, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote: ... we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5output=htmlsysadmin James, if you open this spreadsheet and switch on publishing (go to File / Publish to the web...) then I'll take a look at Faebot keeping a table regularly synchronized on meta using the Google spreadsheets API. Ping. I would like to repeat my offer to add this extra level of openness to this information, my email might have been lost in the long thread. Is there a reason for not switching on publishing to the public spreadsheet so that the community can refer to a maintained wiki-table of the same data on meta rather than relying entirely on Google's excellent but closed-source collaboration tools? Thanks, Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username
I'm heading to bed but will follow up with you tomorrow from the office. Publishing is on for that sheet at the moment (that's what I'm using to show it through the link I gave) so not exactly sure what else you need but I'd love if faebot was able to help keep it synced up on wiki. Actually, others may have figured it out (I know the one on wiki works), but I just noticed that particular link was broken somehow in my email (sysadmin got added to the end). The correct, working, link is https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5output=html James Alexander Legal and Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 2:58 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 19:02, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/04/2014, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote: ... we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5output=htmlsysadmin James, if you open this spreadsheet and switch on publishing (go to File / Publish to the web...) then I'll take a look at Faebot keeping a table regularly synchronized on meta using the Google spreadsheets API. Ping. I would like to repeat my offer to add this extra level of openness to this information, my email might have been lost in the long thread. Is there a reason for not switching on publishing to the public spreadsheet so that the community can refer to a maintained wiki-table of the same data on meta rather than relying entirely on Google's excellent but closed-source collaboration tools? Thanks, Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, at 0:58, Isarra Yos wrote: On 20/04/14 11:50, Liangent wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Amir E. Aharoni, 20/04/2014 08:39: Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with parentheses. It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention. Your suggestion works against the built-in assumptions of MediaWiki for disambiguations. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Pipe_trick Then Gary, WMF? Nemo Removing the affiliation from the name itself and adding it as a group would allow the mediawiki to format the name and group in a way that makes sense for the given language. Keep to the parentheses for english and such, do other things for ones where that doesn't work or wouldn't be the norm. -I Removing the affiliation from the name itself could also help to keep a history of past affiliations and address issues raised by Risker earlier. Gryllida. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username
Preferable for the affiliation to be a variable linked to the username. It can then be changed if/when applicable. Is should be possible to link a string of affiliations to a username. User should be able to add affiliations at will but probably should have to request to have them removed Peter - Original Message - From: Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username On Sun, 20 Apr 2014, Isarra Yos wrote: Removing the affiliation from the name itself and adding it as a group would allow the mediawiki to format the name and group in a way that makes sense for the given language. Keep to the parentheses for english and such, do other things for ones where that doesn't work or wouldn't be the norm. That sounds like a good plan, although would need to be a plan to cope with duplicates, e.g. user:Whatamidoing and user:Whatamidoing (WMF) both exist. Chris Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org www.sucs.org/~cmckenna The essential things in life are seen not with the eyes, but with the heart Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: Preferable for the affiliation to be a variable linked to the username. It can then be changed if/when applicable. Is should be possible to link a string of affiliations to a username. User should be able to add affiliations at will but probably should have to request to have them removed Peter - Original Message - From: Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username Do WMF accounts still get the staff usergroup? If so, then the affiliation variable already exists. Building the (WMF) into the username makes the affiliation close to indelible; if it is confined to a usergroup, then the removal of the usergroup hides the previously obvious connection between edit and affiliation. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username
Hence the suggestion that the user has to request removal. Cheers, Peter - Original Message - From: Nathan nawr...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: Preferable for the affiliation to be a variable linked to the username. It can then be changed if/when applicable. Is should be possible to link a string of affiliations to a username. User should be able to add affiliations at will but probably should have to request to have them removed Peter - Original Message - From: Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username Do WMF accounts still get the staff usergroup? If so, then the affiliation variable already exists. Building the (WMF) into the username makes the affiliation close to indelible; if it is confined to a usergroup, then the removal of the usergroup hides the previously obvious connection between edit and affiliation. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username
On 04/21/2014 09:16 AM, Nathan wrote: Do WMF accounts still get the staff usergroup? Most accounts of staff and contractors do not get that usergroup: it is a very highly privileged group that includes pretty much every permission on every wiki, and access to it is on a strictly-needed basis. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:GlobalUsers/Staff lists some 40 accounts with the right - out of 160 staff - mostly of accounts held by people in LCA. So the presence of the group is not a usable discriminant. -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 04/21/2014 12:07 PM, Nathan wrote: Of the 120 staffers that don't have a staff account, how many have accounts with (WMF) in the username - or accounts at all? I honestly do not know the numbers, though I'd wager most is close to reality - certainly any recent addition to the teams. Ah, interesting. I wonder why its necessary for most or all WMF staffers to have accounts with an explicit WMF affiliation. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username
It is so that there is (theoretically) no question when we are operating as a staff versus operating as volunteers. On Apr 21, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, interesting. I wonder why its necessary for most or all WMF staffers to have accounts with an explicit WMF affiliation. --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 04/21/2014 12:07 PM, Nathan wrote: Of the 120 staffers that don't have a staff account, how many have accounts with (WMF) in the username - or accounts at all? I honestly do not know the numbers, though I'd wager most is close to reality - certainly any recent addition to the teams. Ah, interesting. I wonder why its necessary for most or all WMF staffers to have accounts with an explicit WMF affiliation. Aye, given the nature of our work the vast majority of staff have a staff account of some sort (not everyone uses separate accounts though we strongly encourage them to). In the end almost everyone on staff has a reason, at some point, to edit on a public wiki whether they are HR/Finance ( discussions or postings about FDC proposals/budget publications etc) or technical/community/grant focused. For many that need actually tends to lean towards meta and/or mediawiki only though a fair bit stretch elsewhere on the projects ( engineering and community people especially ). Philippe and I have worked hard to try and make the 'staff' user group as it traditionally stands a very 'as needed' right and so the default is now to give out no rights or smaller, more focused, rights (meta admin, central notice admin, global interface editor etc) that fit their need. ( we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5output=htmlsysadmin rights aren't on there because they are generally handled by engineering). Overall we don't actually require separate accounts at the moment but I strongly encourage them, I think it behooves everyone to have a clear distinction between 'personal' and 'work' actions and the separate accounts help that significantly. I also think it helps in locking down access if they depart the foundation at some point. James James Alexander Legal and Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username
Hi James, On 21 Apr 2014, at 19:16, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Philippe and I have worked hard to try and make the 'staff' user group as it traditionally stands a very 'as needed' right and so the default is now to give out no rights or smaller, more focused, rights (meta admin, central notice admin, global interface editor etc) that fit their need. ( we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5output=htmlsysadmin rights aren't on there because they are generally handled by engineering). Thanks for sharing that link. It didn't work for me the first time, but removing the output= parameter fixes that, so the working URL is: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5 Please can this be turned onto an on-wiki document, rather than being a google doc, as it's quite an important one that should be transparent to the community as a whole! I'd be happy to help with the wikification if that would be useful. Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 2:16 PM, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 04/21/2014 12:07 PM, Nathan wrote: Of the 120 staffers that don't have a staff account, how many have accounts with (WMF) in the username - or accounts at all? I honestly do not know the numbers, though I'd wager most is close to reality - certainly any recent addition to the teams. Ah, interesting. I wonder why its necessary for most or all WMF staffers to have accounts with an explicit WMF affiliation. Aye, given the nature of our work the vast majority of staff have a staff account of some sort (not everyone uses separate accounts though we strongly encourage them to). In the end almost everyone on staff has a reason, at some point, to edit on a public wiki whether they are HR/Finance ( discussions or postings about FDC proposals/budget publications etc) or technical/community/grant focused. For many that need actually tends to lean towards meta and/or mediawiki only though a fair bit stretch elsewhere on the projects ( engineering and community people especially ). Philippe and I have worked hard to try and make the 'staff' user group as it traditionally stands a very 'as needed' right and so the default is now to give out no rights or smaller, more focused, rights (meta admin, central notice admin, global interface editor etc) that fit their need. ( we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5output=htmlsysadmin rights aren't on there because they are generally handled by engineering). Overall we don't actually require separate accounts at the moment but I strongly encourage them, I think it behooves everyone to have a clear distinction between 'personal' and 'work' actions and the separate accounts help that significantly. I also think it helps in locking down access if they depart the foundation at some point. James Thanks, that makes sense. After I asked I thought about project specific wikis, meta, wikimediafoundation.org, etc. I do see that any staffer may need access to one or more of these wikis, and with SUL that accounts get propagated across all projects anyway. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: Hi James, On 21 Apr 2014, at 19:16, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Philippe and I have worked hard to try and make the 'staff' user group as it traditionally stands a very 'as needed' right and so the default is now to give out no rights or smaller, more focused, rights (meta admin, central notice admin, global interface editor etc) that fit their need. ( we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5output=htmlsysadmin rights aren't on there because they are generally handled by engineering). Thanks for sharing that link. It didn't work for me the first time, but removing the output= parameter fixes that, so the working URL is: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5 Please can this be turned onto an on-wiki document, rather than being a google doc, as it's quite an important one that should be transparent to the community as a whole! I'd be happy to help with the wikification if that would be useful. Thanks, Mike Nemo was nice enough to add it to the the user groups page on meta so that it's linked from there as well. Right now it's on a google doc because it is a public view of the tracking spreadsheet Philippe and I use (which includes staff whose rights requests were denied or removed as well as some contact info and additional tracking (for example for the formal staff rights themselves we give training on what kind of approvals are needed for certain actions and record when that was done) and so gets automatically updated as I update that. I originally did it on a private wiki (I have a strong preference for wiki of some sort vs google docs personally) but the spreadsheet has just tended to be a significantly easier tool for tracking and updating. I wouldn't want to duplicate it on wiki unless we put my whole process there (otherwise it is significantly more likely to get out of date) and to do that would require some additional discussion and thinking. James ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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On 21 Apr 2014, at 19:35, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Right now it's on a google doc because it is a public view of the tracking spreadsheet Philippe and I use (which includes staff whose rights requests were denied or removed as well as some contact info and additional tracking (for example for the formal staff rights themselves we give training on what kind of approvals are needed for certain actions and record when that was done) and so gets automatically updated as I update that. I originally did it on a private wiki (I have a strong preference for wiki of some sort vs google docs personally) but the spreadsheet has just tended to be a significantly easier tool for tracking and updating. I wouldn't want to duplicate it on wiki unless we put my whole process there (otherwise it is significantly more likely to get out of date) and to do that would require some additional discussion and thinking. OK, fair enough. It would be nice to see the entire process take place transparently on meta, if possible. Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with parentheses. It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention. בתאריך 20 באפר 2014 02:17, מאת Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm: On a second thought, do we want to add an optional affiliation field to the signup form, so the affiliation goes at the end of username in braces? - DGarry (WMF) - Fred (DesignSolutionsInc) - David (MIT) - ... So the signup form would look like this: - | | | [ Username preview in large green font ]| | | | Username: | | ___| | Password: | | ___| | Password 2: | | ___| | Email (optional): | | ___| | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): | | ___| | | - I.e. - | | | [ Gryllida (FOO) in large green font ]| | | | Username: | | _Gryllida__| | Password: | | ___| | Password 2: | | ___| | Email (optional): | | ___| | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): | | _FOO___| | | - Gryllida. On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 1:25, rupert THURNER wrote: hi, could wmf please extend the mediawiki software in the following way: 1. it should knows groups 2. allow users to store an arbitrary number of groups with their profile 3. allow to select one of the groups joined to an edit when saving 4. add a checkbox COI to an edit, meaning potential conflict of interest 5. display and filter edits marked with COI in a different color in history views 6. display and filter edits done for a group in a different color in history views 7. allow members of a group to receive notifications done on the group page, or when a group is mentioned in an edit/comment/talk page. reason: currently it is quite cumbersome to participate as an organisation. it is quite cumbersome for people as well to detect COI edits. the most prominent examples are employees of the wikimedia foundation, and GLAMs. users tend to create multiple accounts, and try to create company accounts. the main reason for this behaviour are (examples, but of course valid general): * have a feedback page / notification page for the swiss federal archive for other users * make clear that an edit is done private or as wmf employee this then would allow the community to create new policies, e.g. the german community might cease using company accounts, and switch over to this system. this proposal is purely technical. current policies can still be applied if people do not need something else, e.g. wmf employees may continue to use sue gardner (wmf) accounts. what you think? best regards, rupert --- swissGLAMour, http://wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
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Amir, this is the first time that one's been brought up. I'll chat with OIT about potentially changing moving forward. pb *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org | : @Philippewikihttps://twitter.com/Philippewiki On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with parentheses. It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention. בתאריך 20 באפר 2014 02:17, מאת Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm: On a second thought, do we want to add an optional affiliation field to the signup form, so the affiliation goes at the end of username in braces? - DGarry (WMF) - Fred (DesignSolutionsInc) - David (MIT) - ... So the signup form would look like this: - | | | [ Username preview in large green font ]| | | | Username: | | ___| | Password: | | ___| | Password 2: | | ___| | Email (optional): | | ___| | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): | | ___| | | - I.e. - | | | [ Gryllida (FOO) in large green font ]| | | | Username: | | _Gryllida__| | Password: | | ___| | Password 2: | | ___| | Email (optional): | | ___| | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): | | _FOO___| | | - Gryllida. On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 1:25, rupert THURNER wrote: hi, could wmf please extend the mediawiki software in the following way: 1. it should knows groups 2. allow users to store an arbitrary number of groups with their profile 3. allow to select one of the groups joined to an edit when saving 4. add a checkbox COI to an edit, meaning potential conflict of interest 5. display and filter edits marked with COI in a different color in history views 6. display and filter edits done for a group in a different color in history views 7. allow members of a group to receive notifications done on the group page, or when a group is mentioned in an edit/comment/talk page. reason: currently it is quite cumbersome to participate as an organisation. it is quite cumbersome for people as well to detect COI edits. the most prominent examples are employees of the wikimedia foundation, and GLAMs. users tend to create multiple accounts, and try to create company accounts. the main reason for this behaviour are (examples, but of course valid general): * have a feedback page / notification page for the swiss federal archive for other users * make clear that an edit is done private or as wmf employee this then would allow the community to create new policies, e.g. the german community might cease using company accounts, and switch over to this system. this proposal is purely technical. current policies can still be applied if people do not need something else, e.g. wmf employees may continue to use sue gardner (wmf) accounts. what you think? best regards, rupert --- swissGLAMour, http://wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:
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Amir E. Aharoni, 20/04/2014 08:39: Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with parentheses. It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention. Your suggestion works against the built-in assumptions of MediaWiki for disambiguations. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Pipe_trick Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Amir E. Aharoni, 20/04/2014 08:39: Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with parentheses. It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention. Your suggestion works against the built-in assumptions of MediaWiki for disambiguations. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Pipe_trick Then Gary, WMF? Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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On 20/04/14 11:50, Liangent wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Amir E. Aharoni, 20/04/2014 08:39: Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with parentheses. It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention. Your suggestion works against the built-in assumptions of MediaWiki for disambiguations. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Pipe_trick Then Gary, WMF? Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe Removing the affiliation from the name itself and adding it as a group would allow the mediawiki to format the name and group in a way that makes sense for the given language. Keep to the parentheses for english and such, do other things for ones where that doesn't work or wouldn't be the norm. -I ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2014, Isarra Yos wrote: Removing the affiliation from the name itself and adding it as a group would allow the mediawiki to format the name and group in a way that makes sense for the given language. Keep to the parentheses for english and such, do other things for ones where that doesn't work or wouldn't be the norm. That sounds like a good plan, although would need to be a plan to cope with duplicates, e.g. user:Whatamidoing and user:Whatamidoing (WMF) both exist. Chris Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org www.sucs.org/~cmckenna The essential things in life are seen not with the eyes, but with the heart Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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I hear where you're coming from, Gryllida. This only works if there is some mechanism by which the affiliation can be confirmed. The (WMF) affiliation is easily confirmed, and in fact anyone adding that affiliation to their account name who isn't a WMF staffer gets blocked pretty quickly. However, there's no easy mechanism to verify an affiliation external to the WMF family. I understand our colleagues at the German Wikipedia have a process for verifying authorized accounts for specific entities, but their community considers them role accounts and restricts them in particular ways. Other projects, including English Wikipedia, have essentially banned role accounts. What would happen if David (MIT) accepts a position at Stanford? Does he have to change his username to David (Stanford) - oh, that won't work since the original edits would be related to MIT...so he'd have to start a new account David (Stanford), and somehow link them. What issues would arise if the user doesn't want to change usernames once he's no longer affiliated with an organization? I admit I'm partial to what German Wikipedia is doing with role accounts for organizations, but given the harshness toward commerce accounts on some other projects, I'm not sure it would work universally. Best, Risker/Anne On 19 April 2014 19:17, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote: On a second thought, do we want to add an optional affiliation field to the signup form, so the affiliation goes at the end of username in braces? - DGarry (WMF) - Fred (DesignSolutionsInc) - David (MIT) - ... So the signup form would look like this: - | | | [ Username preview in large green font ]| | | | Username: | | ___| | Password: | | ___| | Password 2: | | ___| | Email (optional): | | ___| | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): | | ___| | | - I.e. - | | | [ Gryllida (FOO) in large green font ]| | | | Username: | | _Gryllida__| | Password: | | ___| | Password 2: | | ___| | Email (optional): | | ___| | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): | | _FOO___| | | - Gryllida. On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 1:25, rupert THURNER wrote: hi, could wmf please extend the mediawiki software in the following way: 1. it should knows groups 2. allow users to store an arbitrary number of groups with their profile 3. allow to select one of the groups joined to an edit when saving 4. add a checkbox COI to an edit, meaning potential conflict of interest 5. display and filter edits marked with COI in a different color in history views 6. display and filter edits done for a group in a different color in history views 7. allow members of a group to receive notifications done on the group page, or when a group is mentioned in an edit/comment/talk page. reason: currently it is quite cumbersome to participate as an organisation. it is quite cumbersome for people as well to detect COI edits. the most prominent examples are employees of the wikimedia foundation, and GLAMs. users tend to create multiple accounts, and try to create company accounts. the main reason for this behaviour are (examples, but of course valid general): * have a feedback page / notification page for the swiss federal archive for other users * make clear that an edit is done private or as wmf employee this then would allow the
