Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Conroy - Measures to improve safety of the internet for families
On 2009-Dec-16 15:45:51 +1100, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote:
No doubt press commentary is worth a look ( see
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/net-censorship-move-a-smokescreen-expert-20091216-kw7d.html
When I voted, the associated poll was 90% against. The timing of
the legislation (just before the next election) suggests that if
the Gov't gets re-elected, it will claim to have a mandate for it.
Also http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/15/2772467.htm
Dealing, as this proposal does, with solely 'RC' content
Except that there will almost certainly be collateral fallout and,
AFAIK, the blacklist will remain secret (which differs from film and
book censorship).
I also suspect that I have less faith
in both the technical structure of the proposed filtering, and the
faesability of appropriate list maintainance than Senator Conroy
Well, as I heard one commentator point out, China manages it so there's
no reason Australia can't. I don't think many people other than
Senators Conroy and Fielding believe it's practical (other than via
the Chinese approach).
- so I'm
rather of the opinion that it probably won't work very well, and probably
won't deliver on the intention which ('assuming good faith' !) is to try and
stop Australian's accessing material we'd likely all agree they shouldn't
be.
It's tongue-in-cheek but here's an initial offering:
http://pymblesoftware.com/store/index.php/systems/tin-foil-hat-isp-filtering-by-pass-router.html
Interestingly, I think it's possible that WMF projects do host 'Category 2
restricted' material (explicitly depict sexual or sexually related activity
between consenting adults in a way that is likely to cause offence to a
reasonable adult) but I don't really have any idea of the ramifications for
that - certainly it wouldn't seem relavent to the Conroy proposal at this
time
I would go further and suggest that it's virtually certain that the
Internet Censor would find something to object to linked from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Human_sexuality
I agree that WMA needs to ensure that it differentiates itself from
Wikipedia.
Some links that may be useful for anyone looking for further reading:
http://www.efa.org.au/
http://nocleanfeed.com/
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Conroy - Measures to improve safety of the internet for families
My own position is very similar to Liam's - personally opposed to the filter as a free-thinking Australian citizen who believes it should be up to parents what their kids see and the government has no place telling adults what they can or can not see. Additionally I think it could have speed effects and we're already one of the slower countries broadband-wise in the developed world. I also agree with Liam though that we need to be clear with the outside world that we are not Wikipedia, and it is a fine line (promoting something while not being responsible for it - which is not irresponsible, but rather acknowledging the responsiblity correctly lies elsewhere). cheers Andrew 2009/12/16 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com Yes, indeed this is a good question and an important issue. On a personal basis I am completely opposed to the filter and I imagine most Wikimedians in Australia are. However, I would caution that the Chapter cannot be seen in word or deed to be responsible for Wikipedia. This was a problem faced by Wikimedia UK in both the virgin killer and the National Portrait Gallery issues - the UK chapter was very careful not to place itself as the official spokesperson for Wikipedia. Of course, the mandate of the Chapter is to advocate for Free Cultural Works and in that sense being involved in political lobbying is something that it can/could/should do. We have previously made a submission to a government inquiry for example. Making a statement about the filter or similar actions is within the chapter's powers. But... in the event that Wikipedia were to become blocked or was caught up in some scandal around this issue, the Chapter can only describe what Wikipedia policies and practices are - it cannot be seen as responsible for the content and have a policy for how to make Wikipedia unblocked or what-have-you. my 2 cents, -Liam wittylama.com/blog Peace, love metadata On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Andrew orderinchao...@gmail.com wrote: Matt, thanks - good question. As yet, no it doesn't have an official position - I have forwarded this to the committee list so one can be reached promptly. Cheers Andrew On 16/12/2009, Matt inbgn mattin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Does the chapter have a position on this proposalhttp://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2009/115 ? Should it have a position? If it has a position, what should it be doing to advance that position? Cheers, Matt ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Conroy - Measures to improve safety of theinternet for families
Worth noting that both EFA and GetUp are coordinating on this issue: so Wikimedians who in their personal capacity are interested in getting involved in the campaign against such laws should get in touch with one of those organisations...and watch for more. http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/GreatFirewallOfAustralia http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/GreatFirewallOfAustralia?dc=974,56 ,2 http://nocleanfeed.com/ Kimberlee From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Sent: Wednesday, 16 December 2009 10:44 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Conroy - Measures to improve safety of theinternet for families My own position is very similar to Liam's - personally opposed to the filter as a free-thinking Australian citizen who believes it should be up to parents what their kids see and the government has no place telling adults what they can or can not see. Additionally I think it could have speed effects and we're already one of the slower countries broadband-wise in the developed world. I also agree with Liam though that we need to be clear with the outside world that we are not Wikipedia, and it is a fine line (promoting something while not being responsible for it - which is not irresponsible, but rather acknowledging the responsiblity correctly lies elsewhere). cheers Andrew 2009/12/16 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com Yes, indeed this is a good question and an important issue. On a personal basis I am completely opposed to the filter and I imagine most Wikimedians in Australia are. However, I would caution that the Chapter cannot be seen in word or deed to be responsible for Wikipedia. This was a problem faced by Wikimedia UK in both the virgin killer and the National Portrait Gallery issues - the UK chapter was very careful not to place itself as the official spokesperson for Wikipedia. Of course, the mandate of the Chapter is to advocate for Free Cultural Works and in that sense being involved in political lobbying is something that it can/could/should do. We have previously made a submission to a government inquiry for example. Making a statement about the filter or similar actions is within the chapter's powers. But... in the event that Wikipedia were to become blocked or was caught up in some scandal around this issue, the Chapter can only describe what Wikipedia policies and practices are - it cannot be seen as responsible for the content and have a policy for how to make Wikipedia unblocked or what-have-you. my 2 cents, -Liam wittylama.com/blog Peace, love metadata On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Andrew orderinchao...@gmail.com wrote: Matt, thanks - good question. As yet, no it doesn't have an official position - I have forwarded this to the committee list so one can be reached promptly. Cheers Andrew On 16/12/2009, Matt inbgn mattin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Does the chapter have a position on this proposalhttp://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2009/115 ? Should it have a position? If it has a position, what should it be doing to advance that position? Cheers, Matt ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
