Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

[Liam Wyatt]

David Milne has just written about this collaboration on the "museum 3.0"
ning here:
http://museum30.ning.com/profiles/blogs/glamwiki-trial-social-history

Lets try to find homes for these images within Wikipedia articles!

-Liam [[witty lama]]

wittylama.com/blog
Peace, love & metadata


On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Sarah Ewart  wrote:

> Well done on this, Craig. You seem to have been doing a great job with GLAM
> contacts in Queensland and hopefully others will be inspired and  follow
> your lead and find ways to work with their local GLAM institutions. It's
> really very important that members take an active role with this kind of
> work.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Craig Franklin  wrote:
>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the
>> GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that the Brisbane
>> Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland Museum (QM), the Museum
>> has commenced uploading digitized images from their “A E (Bert) Roberts”
>> photograph collection to Commons.  Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from
>> Ipswich in the early 1900s , but also enjoyed photography and took
>> photographs of a wide variety of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life
>> in Queensland from the time.  While not famous for his photography during
>> his lifetime, after his death his collection of images came to be recognised
>> as providing a unique view into the society of the time.  His photographs
>> are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition, which chiefly resides at
>> their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb & Co Museum), but which presently has
>> travelled to Ipswich for a limited time.
>>
>>
>>
>> So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over a
>> thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has.  You can see
>> what’s been uploaded so far here:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:A_E_%22Bert%22_Roberts_plate_glass_photo_collection
>>
>>
>>
>> My request to all of you, basically, is to:
>>
>>
>>
>> · Categorise, enhance, and basically edit the file pages as much
>> as possible.
>>
>> · Look for appropriate pages on Wikipedia and other places where
>> this content can be used, and use it.
>>
>> · Spread the word that GLAM institutions are seeing the benefits
>> of making their collections available through Commons and other free media
>> repositories!
>>
>> · Watch out and make sure the pages aren’t vandalised, and any
>> problems that crop up are dealt with quickly so that QM can concentrate on
>> providing us with free content, and not learning arcane points of Wiki-law.
>>
>>
>>
>> Many of the original plate glass negatives held by the museum have not
>> been digitised yet, but if there is anyone who would be interested in
>> volunteering some of their time to learn how to do, and then actually **
>> do** the digitisation, there may be an opportunity to get in and do
>> that.  If you’re interested (and preferably have some “serious” photography
>> experience), let me know and I’ll pass your details on.
>>
>>
>>
>> It’s my hope that this will be but the first of many successful
>> collaborations between WMAU people and GLAM institutions throughout the
>> country.  I already have a couple of other collaborations cooking away here
>> in Queensland that will hopefully result in a win not only for the WM
>> projects, but also open access to cultural and heritage material in
>> general.
>>
>>
>>
>> If anyone has any questions regarding these particular images, please feel
>> free to ask me!
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Craig Franklin
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

[Sarah Ewart]

Well done on this, Craig. You seem to have been doing a great job with GLAM
contacts in Queensland and hopefully others will be inspired and  follow
your lead and find ways to work with their local GLAM institutions. It's
really very important that members take an active role with this kind of
work.

Cheers,
Sarah


On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Craig Franklin  wrote:

>  Hi All,
>
>
>
> I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the
> GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that the Brisbane
> Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland Museum (QM), the Museum
> has commenced uploading digitized images from their “A E (Bert) Roberts”
> photograph collection to Commons.  Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from
> Ipswich in the early 1900s , but also enjoyed photography and took
> photographs of a wide variety of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life
> in Queensland from the time.  While not famous for his photography during
> his lifetime, after his death his collection of images came to be recognised
> as providing a unique view into the society of the time.  His photographs
> are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition, which chiefly resides at
> their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb & Co Museum), but which presently has
> travelled to Ipswich for a limited time.
>
>
>
> So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over a
> thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has.  You can see
> what’s been uploaded so far here:
>
>
>
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:A_E_%22Bert%22_Roberts_plate_glass_photo_collection
>
>
>
> My request to all of you, basically, is to:
>
>
>
> · Categorise, enhance, and basically edit the file pages as much
> as possible.
>
> · Look for appropriate pages on Wikipedia and other places where
> this content can be used, and use it.
>
> · Spread the word that GLAM institutions are seeing the benefits
> of making their collections available through Commons and other free media
> repositories!
>
> · Watch out and make sure the pages aren’t vandalised, and any
> problems that crop up are dealt with quickly so that QM can concentrate on
> providing us with free content, and not learning arcane points of Wiki-law.
>
>
>
> Many of the original plate glass negatives held by the museum have not been
> digitised yet, but if there is anyone who would be interested in
> volunteering some of their time to learn how to do, and then actually **do
> ** the digitisation, there may be an opportunity to get in and do that.
> If you’re interested (and preferably have some “serious” photography
> experience), let me know and I’ll pass your details on.
>
>
>
> It’s my hope that this will be but the first of many successful
> collaborations between WMAU people and GLAM institutions throughout the
> country.  I already have a couple of other collaborations cooking away here
> in Queensland that will hopefully result in a win not only for the WM
> projects, but also open access to cultural and heritage material in
> general.
>
>
>
> If anyone has any questions regarding these particular images, please feel
> free to ask me!
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Craig Franklin
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

[Craig Franklin]

Hi David,

I agree with everything you say here, and note that you're right when you say 
that the jury is still out in the UK.  That was a slip of the tongue on my part 
and I meant to say what you just said :-)

Cheers,
Craig   

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2009/11/8 Craig Franklin :

> How does this affect the legal situation?  I'm not really sure, but it seems
> reasonable to say that QM's claim is either completely bogus (in which case
> the images are free), or it's valid but under a free licence, in which case
> the image is also free.  Anything else seems like splitting hairs.  It also
> would seem that the claim *would* be valid in the UK where we know the
> doctrine does apply, so even if it's not recognised in this country, someone
> using them in the UK would have to abide by the terms of the CC-BY-SA-3.0
> licence.


Ah, no, we don't know that it applies in the UK.

The National Portrait Gallery thinks it not only applies, but applies
so strongly it could be used against a US citizen for actions in the
US. This view is highly disputed and is, as I understand it, currently
the subject of detailed negotiations between the NPG, WMF and EFF.

However, the legal status is currently in a state of quantum
uncertainty, where there isn't a firm ruling and no-one really wants
there to be one. Because when the copyright claimant fought it to the
ground in the US, it was found *not* to be the case.

In my personal opinion, leaving it in a state of quantum uncertainty
is probably best for all at this stage - we note their *claim* of
copyright and release under CC by-sa, we know very well that the stuff
is public domain in the US, but in any case WMF would strongly
encourage correct and full attribution of all uses of the material
because that's the educational and academically proper thing to do
*and* helps the source museum. Because we love our GLAMs and want to
help them and not hurt them.

YMMV of course. There's a lot of stroppy free-culture geeks upset that
the claim is even being made, and I've been doing a bit of calming
people down over the past few days and explaining that WMF is the
800lb gorilla in this arrangement so has to be seen to play nicely.


- d.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

[David Gerard]

2009/11/9 David Gerard :

> In my personal opinion, leaving it in a state of quantum uncertainty
> is probably best for all at this stage - we note their *claim* of
> copyright and release under CC by-sa, we know very well that the stuff


"their claim" in the above being QM's (not NPG from the previous
paragraph). As I understand it, pretty much every GLAM that anyone
from WMF has dealt with has been much nicer and saner than NPG, and
no-one really wants to pull an NPG.


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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

[David Gerard]

2009/11/8 Craig Franklin :

> How does this affect the legal situation?  I'm not really sure, but it seems
> reasonable to say that QM's claim is either completely bogus (in which case
> the images are free), or it's valid but under a free licence, in which case
> the image is also free.  Anything else seems like splitting hairs.  It also
> would seem that the claim *would* be valid in the UK where we know the
> doctrine does apply, so even if it's not recognised in this country, someone
> using them in the UK would have to abide by the terms of the CC-BY-SA-3.0
> licence.


Ah, no, we don't know that it applies in the UK.

The National Portrait Gallery thinks it not only applies, but applies
so strongly it could be used against a US citizen for actions in the
US. This view is highly disputed and is, as I understand it, currently
the subject of detailed negotiations between the NPG, WMF and EFF.

However, the legal status is currently in a state of quantum
uncertainty, where there isn't a firm ruling and no-one really wants
there to be one. Because when the copyright claimant fought it to the
ground in the US, it was found *not* to be the case.

In my personal opinion, leaving it in a state of quantum uncertainty
is probably best for all at this stage - we note their *claim* of
copyright and release under CC by-sa, we know very well that the stuff
is public domain in the US, but in any case WMF would strongly
encourage correct and full attribution of all uses of the material
because that's the educational and academically proper thing to do
*and* helps the source museum. Because we love our GLAMs and want to
help them and not hurt them.

YMMV of course. There's a lot of stroppy free-culture geeks upset that
the claim is even being made, and I've been doing a bit of calming
people down over the past few days and explaining that WMF is the
800lb gorilla in this arrangement so has to be seen to play nicely.


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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

[Craig Franklin]

Hi Kimberlee,

Thanks for the background, it makes a lot more sense now.

In the case of these particular images, I believe that it's not just a
matter of popping the slides onto a scanner and pushing a button.  To
digitize them in a decent quality without damaging the original media, one
first has to make a print from the negative onto special paper, and then
that has to be scanned.  It's a rather specialised and labour-intensive
process, especially in this day and age where glass plate negatives are
primarily historical curiosities, rather than objects in everyday use.  So,
there's a fair bit of labour involved, but on the other hand, I don't think
there's much "creativity" that goes into the process.  

How does this affect the legal situation?  I'm not really sure, but it seems
reasonable to say that QM's claim is either completely bogus (in which case
the images are free), or it's valid but under a free licence, in which case
the image is also free.  Anything else seems like splitting hairs.  It also
would seem that the claim *would* be valid in the UK where we know the
doctrine does apply, so even if it's not recognised in this country, someone
using them in the UK would have to abide by the terms of the CC-BY-SA-3.0
licence.  

I'm happy to be corrected on that point, though!

Cheers,
Craig





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[mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Kimberlee
Weatherall
Sent: Monday, 9 November 2009 5:20 PM
To: Wikimedia-au
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

Interesting. 
FWIW:
- 'copyfraud' is a word that has been used in the academic literature to
label overly broad or ambitious assertions of copyright (asserting copyright
that doesn't or is unlikely to exist). See Jason Mazzone, Copyfraud
(http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=787244&rec=1&srcabs=3193
21).
- An assertion based on 'sweat of the brow' is much more questionable
following the IceTV decision by the High Court. If it's just work/running
the photo through the processor, then it's questionable whether such
digitised photo is copyright-protected even in Australia. However, when such
cases have been raised in the UK they have been based on 'extensive work'
getting the photograph to faithfully reflect the original. We haven't had
that case come to court in Australia; reasoning in IceTV suggests it may not
hold up here (anymore).

Kimberlee Weatherall

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Vandenberg
Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 1:53 PM
To: Wikimedia-au
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On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Craig Franklin  wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Unfortunately the physical objects that the collection is based upon (the
glass plate negatives) are in a locked cupboard somewhere in the QM
warehouse, so the possibility of getting our hands on them and making our
own copies are fairly remote.
>
> I've deliberately worded the info in the infobox to be slightly ambiguous
- QM *claim* copyright on the digitisation (much the same as the NPG in the
UK), but there has not been a legal case here in Australia to my knowledge
or the knowledge of QM's copyright people to confirm whether the "sweat of
the brow" doctrine would hold up in an Australian court.  We only say that
QM "assert" copyright over the digitisation, not that we recognise that
particular claim.  And because the digitisation part is then released under
a free, acceptable licence, the whole shebang is fine to go on Commons.

the template is here: [[commons:Template:QM_Infobox]]
watchlist it! ;-)

> The images are tagged PD because they are unquestionably PD in the United
States, which is what really matters in this case, but it's worth mentioning
that there is a possible bit of CC-BY-SA-3.0 in there just so that nobody in
Australia or the UK gets caught out.

A similar example of a claim like this is:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Phineas_Gage_Cased_Daguerreotype_Wilg
usPhoto2008-12-19_Unretouched_Color.jpg

and the derivative

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Phineas_Gage_Daguerreotype_WilgusPhot
o2008-12-19_CroppedInsideMat_Unretouched_BW.jpg

Legally we are better off having a CC image than a PD image - the
definition of the latter can change.

For cases like this, it would be nice to have a
CC-0-digitised-attribution license which requires attribution of the
digitiser, but does not assert copyright over it.

nice work Craig!

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

[Kimberlee Weatherall]

Interesting. 
FWIW:
- 'copyfraud' is a word that has been used in the academic literature to label 
overly broad or ambitious assertions of copyright (asserting copyright that 
doesn't or is unlikely to exist). See Jason Mazzone, Copyfraud 
(http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=787244&rec=1&srcabs=319321).
- An assertion based on 'sweat of the brow' is much more questionable following 
the IceTV decision by the High Court. If it's just work/running the photo 
through the processor, then it's questionable whether such digitised photo is 
copyright-protected even in Australia. However, when such cases have been 
raised in the UK they have been based on 'extensive work' getting the 
photograph to faithfully reflect the original. We haven't had that case come to 
court in Australia; reasoning in IceTV suggests it may not hold up here 
(anymore).

Kimberlee Weatherall

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[mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of John Vandenberg
Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 1:53 PM
To: Wikimedia-au
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Craig Franklin  wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Unfortunately the physical objects that the collection is based upon (the 
> glass plate negatives) are in a locked cupboard somewhere in the QM 
> warehouse, so the possibility of getting our hands on them and making our own 
> copies are fairly remote.
>
> I've deliberately worded the info in the infobox to be slightly ambiguous - 
> QM *claim* copyright on the digitisation (much the same as the NPG in the 
> UK), but there has not been a legal case here in Australia to my knowledge or 
> the knowledge of QM's copyright people to confirm whether the "sweat of the 
> brow" doctrine would hold up in an Australian court.  We only say that QM 
> "assert" copyright over the digitisation, not that we recognise that 
> particular claim.  And because the digitisation part is then released under a 
> free, acceptable licence, the whole shebang is fine to go on Commons.

the template is here: [[commons:Template:QM_Infobox]]
watchlist it! ;-)

> The images are tagged PD because they are unquestionably PD in the United 
> States, which is what really matters in this case, but it's worth mentioning 
> that there is a possible bit of CC-BY-SA-3.0 in there just so that nobody in 
> Australia or the UK gets caught out.

A similar example of a claim like this is:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Phineas_Gage_Cased_Daguerreotype_WilgusPhoto2008-12-19_Unretouched_Color.jpg

and the derivative

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Phineas_Gage_Daguerreotype_WilgusPhoto2008-12-19_CroppedInsideMat_Unretouched_BW.jpg

Legally we are better off having a CC image than a PD image - the
definition of the latter can change.

For cases like this, it would be nice to have a
CC-0-digitised-attribution license which requires attribution of the
digitiser, but does not assert copyright over it.

nice work Craig!

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

[John Vandenberg]

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Craig Franklin  wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Unfortunately the physical objects that the collection is based upon (the 
> glass plate negatives) are in a locked cupboard somewhere in the QM 
> warehouse, so the possibility of getting our hands on them and making our own 
> copies are fairly remote.
>
> I've deliberately worded the info in the infobox to be slightly ambiguous - 
> QM *claim* copyright on the digitisation (much the same as the NPG in the 
> UK), but there has not been a legal case here in Australia to my knowledge or 
> the knowledge of QM's copyright people to confirm whether the "sweat of the 
> brow" doctrine would hold up in an Australian court.  We only say that QM 
> "assert" copyright over the digitisation, not that we recognise that 
> particular claim.  And because the digitisation part is then released under a 
> free, acceptable licence, the whole shebang is fine to go on Commons.

the template is here: [[commons:Template:QM_Infobox]]
watchlist it! ;-)

> The images are tagged PD because they are unquestionably PD in the United 
> States, which is what really matters in this case, but it's worth mentioning 
> that there is a possible bit of CC-BY-SA-3.0 in there just so that nobody in 
> Australia or the UK gets caught out.

A similar example of a claim like this is:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Phineas_Gage_Cased_Daguerreotype_WilgusPhoto2008-12-19_Unretouched_Color.jpg

and the derivative

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Phineas_Gage_Daguerreotype_WilgusPhoto2008-12-19_CroppedInsideMat_Unretouched_BW.jpg

Legally we are better off having a CC image than a PD image - the
definition of the latter can change.

For cases like this, it would be nice to have a
CC-0-digitised-attribution license which requires attribution of the
digitiser, but does not assert copyright over it.

nice work Craig!

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[Andrew]

(Ah, whoops, hadn't read the last two posts in the thread which explained
exactly what I did, somewhat better...)

2009/11/8 Andrew 

> The "copyfraud" argument is basically - in their view, the item is under PD
> already so it is unethical for museums etc to licence it under any terms at
> all as they don't "own" them.
>
> However what that argument doesnt acknowledge is that the material may be
> PD but the hosting and preservation of it is the key element (as we
> discussed at GLAM) and the museum are providing us with freely available
> *digital copies* which are, within the terms of the licence, freely
> available and reusable worldwide.
>
>
> 2009/11/7 Craig Franklin 
>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> Unfortunately the physical objects that the collection is based upon (the
>> glass plate negatives) are in a locked cupboard somewhere in the QM
>> warehouse, so the possibility of getting our hands on them and making our
>> own copies are fairly remote.
>>
>> I've deliberately worded the info in the infobox to be slightly ambiguous
>> - QM *claim* copyright on the digitisation (much the same as the NPG in the
>> UK), but there has not been a legal case here in Australia to my knowledge
>> or the knowledge of QM's copyright people to confirm whether the "sweat of
>> the brow" doctrine would hold up in an Australian court.  We only say that
>> QM "assert" copyright over the digitisation, not that we recognise that
>> particular claim.  And because the digitisation part is then released under
>> a free, acceptable licence, the whole shebang is fine to go on Commons.
>>
>> The images are tagged PD because they are unquestionably PD in the United
>> States, which is what really matters in this case, but it's worth mentioning
>> that there is a possible bit of CC-BY-SA-3.0 in there just so that nobody in
>> Australia or the UK gets caught out.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Craig
>>
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>> wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Peter Ansell
>> Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 9:00 AM
>> To: Wikimedia-au
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection
>>
>> Mmmm... I don't quite understand the technicalities involved, but they
>> are licensing it under CC-BY-SA so the outcome of the license is
>> definitely not a deletion candidate.
>>
>> In my naive opinion I might think the word copyfraud relates to the
>> use of a more limited license on a copy of a completely freely
>> available image. It does seem arbitrary to put on the extra
>> attribution/share alike clause just so the museum can be recognised as
>> "the digitiser" given that the museum doesn't technically have any
>> copyright/legal rights over the use of the original image unless they
>> do that.
>>
>> If an external institution wants to digitise PD images with strings
>> attached then people will wikilawyer about it. If the original image
>> is PD, could someone else get access to the PD image and provide a PD
>> digitised copy or would museums use their powers to restrict access to
>> an image just to keep the attribution aspect?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> 2009/11/7 Craig Franklin :
>> > It might just be the fact that I’ve not yet had my morning coffee, but
>> under
>> > what grounds is he claiming it’s “copyfraud”?  This is the sort of thing
>> I
>> > was worried about, and pedantic wikilawyering like this is in my opinion
>> one
>> > of the main things that make external institutions nervous about working
>> > with us.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Craig F.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
>> > [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Matt
>> inbgn
>> > Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 8:26 AM
>> > To: Wikimedia-au
>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph
>> collection
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > This deletion discussion may be of some interest.
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> > 2009/11/8 Andrew 
>> >
>> > indeed, fantastic effort :) I like the way in which it's been done -
>> i.e.
>> > they still have control over what gets released, but then anything they
>> > decide to release is publ

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

[Andrew]

The "copyfraud" argument is basically - in their view, the item is under PD
already so it is unethical for museums etc to licence it under any terms at
all as they don't "own" them.

However what that argument doesnt acknowledge is that the material may be PD
but the hosting and preservation of it is the key element (as we discussed
at GLAM) and the museum are providing us with freely available *digital
copies* which are, within the terms of the licence, freely available and
reusable worldwide.

2009/11/7 Craig Franklin 

> Hi Peter,
>
> Unfortunately the physical objects that the collection is based upon (the
> glass plate negatives) are in a locked cupboard somewhere in the QM
> warehouse, so the possibility of getting our hands on them and making our
> own copies are fairly remote.
>
> I've deliberately worded the info in the infobox to be slightly ambiguous -
> QM *claim* copyright on the digitisation (much the same as the NPG in the
> UK), but there has not been a legal case here in Australia to my knowledge
> or the knowledge of QM's copyright people to confirm whether the "sweat of
> the brow" doctrine would hold up in an Australian court.  We only say that
> QM "assert" copyright over the digitisation, not that we recognise that
> particular claim.  And because the digitisation part is then released under
> a free, acceptable licence, the whole shebang is fine to go on Commons.
>
> The images are tagged PD because they are unquestionably PD in the United
> States, which is what really matters in this case, but it's worth mentioning
> that there is a possible bit of CC-BY-SA-3.0 in there just so that nobody in
> Australia or the UK gets caught out.
>
> Cheers,
> Craig
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Peter Ansell
> Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 9:00 AM
> To: Wikimedia-au
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection
>
> Mmmm... I don't quite understand the technicalities involved, but they
> are licensing it under CC-BY-SA so the outcome of the license is
> definitely not a deletion candidate.
>
> In my naive opinion I might think the word copyfraud relates to the
> use of a more limited license on a copy of a completely freely
> available image. It does seem arbitrary to put on the extra
> attribution/share alike clause just so the museum can be recognised as
> "the digitiser" given that the museum doesn't technically have any
> copyright/legal rights over the use of the original image unless they
> do that.
>
> If an external institution wants to digitise PD images with strings
> attached then people will wikilawyer about it. If the original image
> is PD, could someone else get access to the PD image and provide a PD
> digitised copy or would museums use their powers to restrict access to
> an image just to keep the attribution aspect?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
>
> 2009/11/7 Craig Franklin :
> > It might just be the fact that I’ve not yet had my morning coffee, but
> under
> > what grounds is he claiming it’s “copyfraud”?  This is the sort of thing
> I
> > was worried about, and pedantic wikilawyering like this is in my opinion
> one
> > of the main things that make external institutions nervous about working
> > with us.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Craig F.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
> > [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Matt
> inbgn
> > Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 8:26 AM
> > To: Wikimedia-au
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection
> >
> >
> >
> > This deletion discussion may be of some interest.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > 2009/11/8 Andrew 
> >
> > indeed, fantastic effort :) I like the way in which it's been done - i.e.
> > they still have control over what gets released, but then anything they
> > decide to release is public. Makes it a lot less scary for the GLAM.
> >
> > 2009/11/7 Gnangarra 
> >
> >
> >
> > the file http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hearse-r.jpg has been
> added
> > to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearse#History there are some really
> > interesting image in the ones already uploaded thanks for your efforts
> Craig
> >
> >
> > 2009/11/6 Craig Franklin 
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the
> >

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

[Craig Franklin]

Hi Peter,

Unfortunately the physical objects that the collection is based upon (the glass 
plate negatives) are in a locked cupboard somewhere in the QM warehouse, so the 
possibility of getting our hands on them and making our own copies are fairly 
remote.  

I've deliberately worded the info in the infobox to be slightly ambiguous - QM 
*claim* copyright on the digitisation (much the same as the NPG in the UK), but 
there has not been a legal case here in Australia to my knowledge or the 
knowledge of QM's copyright people to confirm whether the "sweat of the brow" 
doctrine would hold up in an Australian court.  We only say that QM "assert" 
copyright over the digitisation, not that we recognise that particular claim.  
And because the digitisation part is then released under a free, acceptable 
licence, the whole shebang is fine to go on Commons.

The images are tagged PD because they are unquestionably PD in the United 
States, which is what really matters in this case, but it's worth mentioning 
that there is a possible bit of CC-BY-SA-3.0 in there just so that nobody in 
Australia or the UK gets caught out.

Cheers,
Craig

-Original Message-
From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org 
[mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Peter Ansell
Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 9:00 AM
To: Wikimedia-au
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

Mmmm... I don't quite understand the technicalities involved, but they
are licensing it under CC-BY-SA so the outcome of the license is
definitely not a deletion candidate.

In my naive opinion I might think the word copyfraud relates to the
use of a more limited license on a copy of a completely freely
available image. It does seem arbitrary to put on the extra
attribution/share alike clause just so the museum can be recognised as
"the digitiser" given that the museum doesn't technically have any
copyright/legal rights over the use of the original image unless they
do that.

If an external institution wants to digitise PD images with strings
attached then people will wikilawyer about it. If the original image
is PD, could someone else get access to the PD image and provide a PD
digitised copy or would museums use their powers to restrict access to
an image just to keep the attribution aspect?

Cheers,

Peter

2009/11/7 Craig Franklin :
> It might just be the fact that I’ve not yet had my morning coffee, but under
> what grounds is he claiming it’s “copyfraud”?  This is the sort of thing I
> was worried about, and pedantic wikilawyering like this is in my opinion one
> of the main things that make external institutions nervous about working
> with us.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Craig F.
>
>
>
> From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
> [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Matt inbgn
> Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 8:26 AM
> To: Wikimedia-au
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection
>
>
>
> This deletion discussion may be of some interest.
>
> Matt
>
> 2009/11/8 Andrew 
>
> indeed, fantastic effort :) I like the way in which it's been done - i.e.
> they still have control over what gets released, but then anything they
> decide to release is public. Makes it a lot less scary for the GLAM.
>
> 2009/11/7 Gnangarra 
>
>
>
> the file http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hearse-r.jpg has been added
> to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearse#History there are some really
> interesting image in the ones already uploaded thanks for your efforts Craig
>
>
> 2009/11/6 Craig Franklin 
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the
> GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that the Brisbane
> Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland Museum (QM), the Museum
> has commenced uploading digitized images from their “A E (Bert) Roberts”
> photograph collection to Commons.  Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from
> Ipswich in the early 1900s , but also enjoyed photography and took
> photographs of a wide variety of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life
> in Queensland from the time.  While not famous for his photography during
> his lifetime, after his death his collection of images came to be recognised
> as providing a unique view into the society of the time.  His photographs
> are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition, which chiefly resides at
> their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb & Co Museum), but which presently has
> travelled to Ipswich for a limited time.
>
>
>
> So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over a
> thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has.  You 

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

[Peter Ansell]

Mmmm... I don't quite understand the technicalities involved, but they
are licensing it under CC-BY-SA so the outcome of the license is
definitely not a deletion candidate.

In my naive opinion I might think the word copyfraud relates to the
use of a more limited license on a copy of a completely freely
available image. It does seem arbitrary to put on the extra
attribution/share alike clause just so the museum can be recognised as
"the digitiser" given that the museum doesn't technically have any
copyright/legal rights over the use of the original image unless they
do that.

If an external institution wants to digitise PD images with strings
attached then people will wikilawyer about it. If the original image
is PD, could someone else get access to the PD image and provide a PD
digitised copy or would museums use their powers to restrict access to
an image just to keep the attribution aspect?

Cheers,

Peter

2009/11/7 Craig Franklin :
> It might just be the fact that I’ve not yet had my morning coffee, but under
> what grounds is he claiming it’s “copyfraud”?  This is the sort of thing I
> was worried about, and pedantic wikilawyering like this is in my opinion one
> of the main things that make external institutions nervous about working
> with us.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Craig F.
>
>
>
> From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
> [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Matt inbgn
> Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 8:26 AM
> To: Wikimedia-au
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection
>
>
>
> This deletion discussion may be of some interest.
>
> Matt
>
> 2009/11/8 Andrew 
>
> indeed, fantastic effort :) I like the way in which it's been done - i.e.
> they still have control over what gets released, but then anything they
> decide to release is public. Makes it a lot less scary for the GLAM.
>
> 2009/11/7 Gnangarra 
>
>
>
> the file http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hearse-r.jpg has been added
> to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearse#History there are some really
> interesting image in the ones already uploaded thanks for your efforts Craig
>
>
> 2009/11/6 Craig Franklin 
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the
> GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that the Brisbane
> Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland Museum (QM), the Museum
> has commenced uploading digitized images from their “A E (Bert) Roberts”
> photograph collection to Commons.  Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from
> Ipswich in the early 1900s , but also enjoyed photography and took
> photographs of a wide variety of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life
> in Queensland from the time.  While not famous for his photography during
> his lifetime, after his death his collection of images came to be recognised
> as providing a unique view into the society of the time.  His photographs
> are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition, which chiefly resides at
> their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb & Co Museum), but which presently has
> travelled to Ipswich for a limited time.
>
>
>
> So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over a
> thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has.  You can see
> what’s been uploaded so far here:
>
>
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:A_E_%22Bert%22_Roberts_plate_glass_photo_collection
>
>
>
> My request to all of you, basically, is to:
>
>
>
> · Categorise, enhance, and basically edit the file pages as much as
> possible.
>
> · Look for appropriate pages on Wikipedia and other places where
> this content can be used, and use it.
>
> · Spread the word that GLAM institutions are seeing the benefits of
> making their collections available through Commons and other free media
> repositories!
>
> · Watch out and make sure the pages aren’t vandalised, and any
> problems that crop up are dealt with quickly so that QM can concentrate on
> providing us with free content, and not learning arcane points of Wiki-law.
>
>
>
> Many of the original plate glass negatives held by the museum have not been
> digitised yet, but if there is anyone who would be interested in
> volunteering some of their time to learn how to do, and then actually *do*
> the digitisation, there may be an opportunity to get in and do that.  If
> you’re interested (and preferably have some “serious” photography
> experience), let me know and I’ll pass your details on.
>
>
>
> It’s my hope that this will be but the first of many successful
> collaborations between WMAU people and GLAM 

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

[Craig Franklin]

It might just be the fact that I've not yet had my morning coffee, but under
what grounds is he claiming it's "copyfraud"?  This is the sort of thing I
was worried about, and pedantic wikilawyering like this is in my opinion one
of the main things that make external institutions nervous about working
with us.

 

Cheers,

Craig F.

 

From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Matt inbgn
Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 8:26 AM
To: Wikimedia-au
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

 

This deletion
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Brisbane-s
treet-ipswich-r.jpg>  discussion may be of some interest.

Matt

2009/11/8 Andrew 

indeed, fantastic effort :) I like the way in which it's been done - i.e.
they still have control over what gets released, but then anything they
decide to release is public. Makes it a lot less scary for the GLAM.

2009/11/7 Gnangarra 

 

the file http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hearse-r.jpg has been added
to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearse#History there are some really
interesting image in the ones already uploaded thanks for your efforts Craig




2009/11/6 Craig Franklin 

Hi All,

 

I'm pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the
GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that the Brisbane
Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland Museum (QM), the Museum
has commenced uploading digitized images from their "A E (Bert) Roberts"
photograph collection to Commons.  Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from
Ipswich in the early 1900s , but also enjoyed photography and took
photographs of a wide variety of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life
in Queensland from the time.  While not famous for his photography during
his lifetime, after his death his collection of images came to be recognised
as providing a unique view into the society of the time.  His photographs
are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition, which chiefly resides at
their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb & Co Museum), but which presently has
travelled to Ipswich for a limited time.

 

So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over a
thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has.  You can see
what's been uploaded so far here:

 

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:A_E_%22Bert%22_Roberts_plate_glas
s_photo_collection

 

My request to all of you, basically, is to:

 

. Categorise, enhance, and basically edit the file pages as much as
possible.

. Look for appropriate pages on Wikipedia and other places where
this content can be used, and use it.

. Spread the word that GLAM institutions are seeing the benefits of
making their collections available through Commons and other free media
repositories!

. Watch out and make sure the pages aren't vandalised, and any
problems that crop up are dealt with quickly so that QM can concentrate on
providing us with free content, and not learning arcane points of Wiki-law.

 

Many of the original plate glass negatives held by the museum have not been
digitised yet, but if there is anyone who would be interested in
volunteering some of their time to learn how to do, and then actually *do*
the digitisation, there may be an opportunity to get in and do that.  If
you're interested (and preferably have some "serious" photography
experience), let me know and I'll pass your details on.

 

It's my hope that this will be but the first of many successful
collaborations between WMAU people and GLAM institutions throughout the
country.  I already have a couple of other collaborations cooking away here
in Queensland that will hopefully result in a win not only for the WM
projects, but also open access to cultural and heritage material in general.


 

If anyone has any questions regarding these particular images, please feel
free to ask me!

 

Cheers,

Craig Franklin

 

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

[Matt inbgn]

This deletion 
discussionmay
be of some interest.

Matt

2009/11/8 Andrew 

> indeed, fantastic effort :) I like the way in which it's been done - i.e.
> they still have control over what gets released, but then anything they
> decide to release is public. Makes it a lot less scary for the GLAM.
>
> 2009/11/7 Gnangarra 
>
> the file http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hearse-r.jpg has been
>> added to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearse#History there are some
>> really interesting image in the ones already uploaded thanks for your
>> efforts Craig
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/11/6 Craig Franklin 
>>
>>>   Hi All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the
>>> GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that the Brisbane
>>> Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland Museum (QM), the Museum
>>> has commenced uploading digitized images from their “A E (Bert) Roberts”
>>> photograph collection to Commons.  Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from
>>> Ipswich in the early 1900s , but also enjoyed photography and took
>>> photographs of a wide variety of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life
>>> in Queensland from the time.  While not famous for his photography during
>>> his lifetime, after his death his collection of images came to be recognised
>>> as providing a unique view into the society of the time.  His photographs
>>> are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition, which chiefly resides at
>>> their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb & Co Museum), but which presently has
>>> travelled to Ipswich for a limited time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over a
>>> thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has.  You can see
>>> what’s been uploaded so far here:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:A_E_%22Bert%22_Roberts_plate_glass_photo_collection
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My request to all of you, basically, is to:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> · Categorise, enhance, and basically edit the file pages as much
>>> as possible.
>>>
>>> · Look for appropriate pages on Wikipedia and other places where
>>> this content can be used, and use it.
>>>
>>> · Spread the word that GLAM institutions are seeing the benefits
>>> of making their collections available through Commons and other free media
>>> repositories!
>>>
>>> · Watch out and make sure the pages aren’t vandalised, and any
>>> problems that crop up are dealt with quickly so that QM can concentrate on
>>> providing us with free content, and not learning arcane points of Wiki-law.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Many of the original plate glass negatives held by the museum have not
>>> been digitised yet, but if there is anyone who would be interested in
>>> volunteering some of their time to learn how to do, and then actually **
>>> do** the digitisation, there may be an opportunity to get in and do
>>> that.  If you’re interested (and preferably have some “serious” photography
>>> experience), let me know and I’ll pass your details on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It’s my hope that this will be but the first of many successful
>>> collaborations between WMAU people and GLAM institutions throughout the
>>> country.  I already have a couple of other collaborations cooking away here
>>> in Queensland that will hopefully result in a win not only for the WM
>>> projects, but also open access to cultural and heritage material in
>>> general.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If anyone has any questions regarding these particular images, please
>>> feel free to ask me!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Craig Franklin
>>>
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[Andrew]

indeed, fantastic effort :) I like the way in which it's been done - i.e.
they still have control over what gets released, but then anything they
decide to release is public. Makes it a lot less scary for the GLAM.

2009/11/7 Gnangarra 

> the file http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hearse-r.jpg has been
> added to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearse#History there are some really
> interesting image in the ones already uploaded thanks for your efforts Craig
>
>
>
> 2009/11/6 Craig Franklin 
>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the
>> GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that the Brisbane
>> Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland Museum (QM), the Museum
>> has commenced uploading digitized images from their “A E (Bert) Roberts”
>> photograph collection to Commons.  Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from
>> Ipswich in the early 1900s , but also enjoyed photography and took
>> photographs of a wide variety of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life
>> in Queensland from the time.  While not famous for his photography during
>> his lifetime, after his death his collection of images came to be recognised
>> as providing a unique view into the society of the time.  His photographs
>> are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition, which chiefly resides at
>> their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb & Co Museum), but which presently has
>> travelled to Ipswich for a limited time.
>>
>>
>>
>> So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over a
>> thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has.  You can see
>> what’s been uploaded so far here:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:A_E_%22Bert%22_Roberts_plate_glass_photo_collection
>>
>>
>>
>> My request to all of you, basically, is to:
>>
>>
>>
>> · Categorise, enhance, and basically edit the file pages as much
>> as possible.
>>
>> · Look for appropriate pages on Wikipedia and other places where
>> this content can be used, and use it.
>>
>> · Spread the word that GLAM institutions are seeing the benefits
>> of making their collections available through Commons and other free media
>> repositories!
>>
>> · Watch out and make sure the pages aren’t vandalised, and any
>> problems that crop up are dealt with quickly so that QM can concentrate on
>> providing us with free content, and not learning arcane points of Wiki-law.
>>
>>
>>
>> Many of the original plate glass negatives held by the museum have not
>> been digitised yet, but if there is anyone who would be interested in
>> volunteering some of their time to learn how to do, and then actually **
>> do** the digitisation, there may be an opportunity to get in and do
>> that.  If you’re interested (and preferably have some “serious” photography
>> experience), let me know and I’ll pass your details on.
>>
>>
>>
>> It’s my hope that this will be but the first of many successful
>> collaborations between WMAU people and GLAM institutions throughout the
>> country.  I already have a couple of other collaborations cooking away here
>> in Queensland that will hopefully result in a win not only for the WM
>> projects, but also open access to cultural and heritage material in
>> general.
>>
>>
>>
>> If anyone has any questions regarding these particular images, please feel
>> free to ask me!
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Craig Franklin
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

[Gnangarra]

the file http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hearse-r.jpg has been added
to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearse#History there are some really
interesting image in the ones already uploaded thanks for your efforts Craig



2009/11/6 Craig Franklin 

>  Hi All,
>
>
>
> I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the
> GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that the Brisbane
> Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland Museum (QM), the Museum
> has commenced uploading digitized images from their “A E (Bert) Roberts”
> photograph collection to Commons.  Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from
> Ipswich in the early 1900s , but also enjoyed photography and took
> photographs of a wide variety of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life
> in Queensland from the time.  While not famous for his photography during
> his lifetime, after his death his collection of images came to be recognised
> as providing a unique view into the society of the time.  His photographs
> are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition, which chiefly resides at
> their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb & Co Museum), but which presently has
> travelled to Ipswich for a limited time.
>
>
>
> So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over a
> thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has.  You can see
> what’s been uploaded so far here:
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> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:A_E_%22Bert%22_Roberts_plate_glass_photo_collection
>
>
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> My request to all of you, basically, is to:
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>
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> · Categorise, enhance, and basically edit the file pages as much
> as possible.
>
> · Look for appropriate pages on Wikipedia and other places where
> this content can be used, and use it.
>
> · Spread the word that GLAM institutions are seeing the benefits
> of making their collections available through Commons and other free media
> repositories!
>
> · Watch out and make sure the pages aren’t vandalised, and any
> problems that crop up are dealt with quickly so that QM can concentrate on
> providing us with free content, and not learning arcane points of Wiki-law.
>
>
>
> Many of the original plate glass negatives held by the museum have not been
> digitised yet, but if there is anyone who would be interested in
> volunteering some of their time to learn how to do, and then actually **do
> ** the digitisation, there may be an opportunity to get in and do that.
> If you’re interested (and preferably have some “serious” photography
> experience), let me know and I’ll pass your details on.
>
>
>
> It’s my hope that this will be but the first of many successful
> collaborations between WMAU people and GLAM institutions throughout the
> country.  I already have a couple of other collaborations cooking away here
> in Queensland that will hopefully result in a win not only for the WM
> projects, but also open access to cultural and heritage material in
> general.
>
>
>
> If anyone has any questions regarding these particular images, please feel
> free to ask me!
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Craig Franklin
>
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