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[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Pradeep Mohandas]

hi,

I wonder if anybody in the Indian Railways or cruise ships would be
interested in such a project.

warm regards,
Pradeep Mohandas

-- Forwarded message --
From: John Erling Blad 
Date: 17 June 2011 03:04
Subject: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from
Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
To: Wikimedia Chapters cultural partners coordination <
cultural-partn...@wikimedia.ch>


In 2010 the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation made a strange video
production «Bergenbanen» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_Line), a
five hour contineous video streamed live from the train. Now they are
making «Hurtigruta» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurtigruten), a five
day contineous video from the ships travelling along the Norwegian
coastline. The stream should be available worlwide
(http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/). The previous stream about
Bergensbanen is made available under a creative commons license and is
also available at commons
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bergensbanen_1280x720.ogv).

This kind of documentary video should be possible in other contexts
too. What about the steamboat «Skibladner»
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibladner) at lake Mjøsa? Or the boats
travelling Göta Kanal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ta_Canal)?
In general, what if we could build a rig to make such documentary
videos? Just an idea.

John
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[wheredevelsdare]

Email the General Manager, Western Railways - but I doubt you will get any 
response!
 



Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:53:04 +0530
From: pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another 
strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

hi,


I wonder if anybody in the Indian Railways or cruise ships would be interested 
in such a project.


warm regards,
Pradeep Mohandas


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From: John Erling Blad 
Date: 17 June 2011 03:04
Subject: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from 
Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
To: Wikimedia Chapters cultural partners coordination 



In 2010 the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation made a strange video
production «Bergenbanen» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_Line), a
five hour contineous video streamed live from the train. Now they are
making «Hurtigruta» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurtigruten), a five
day contineous video from the ships travelling along the Norwegian
coastline. The stream should be available worlwide
(http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/). The previous stream about
Bergensbanen is made available under a creative commons license and is
also available at commons
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bergensbanen_1280x720.ogv).

This kind of documentary video should be possible in other contexts
too. What about the steamboat «Skibladner»
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibladner) at lake Mjøsa? Or the boats
travelling Göta Kanal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ta_Canal)?
In general, what if we could build a rig to make such documentary
videos? Just an idea.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Pradeep Mohandas]

hi,

I was wondering if they would allow recording equipment to take video of the
whole 64,215 km of tracks that the Indian Railway has and release it under a
Creative Commons (CC-BY) license licensed to Indian Railways.

Crazy but could be done. There are railway enthusiasts.

warm regards,
Pradeep Mohandas

On 17 June 2011 16:06,  wrote:

>  Email the General Manager, Western Railways - but I doubt you will get any
> response!
>
>  --
> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:53:04 +0530
> From: pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another
> strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
>
>
> hi,
>
> I wonder if anybody in the Indian Railways or cruise ships would be
> interested in such a project.
>
> warm regards,
> Pradeep Mohandas
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: *John Erling Blad* 
> Date: 17 June 2011 03:04
> Subject: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project
> from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
> To: Wikimedia Chapters cultural partners coordination <
> cultural-partn...@wikimedia.ch>
>
>
> In 2010 the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation made a strange video
> production «Bergenbanen» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_Line), a
> five hour contineous video streamed live from the train. Now they are
> making «Hurtigruta» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurtigruten), a five
> day contineous video from the ships travelling along the Norwegian
> coastline. The stream should be available worlwide
> (http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/). The previous stream about
> Bergensbanen is made available under a creative commons license and is
> also available at commons
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bergensbanen_1280x720.ogv).
>
> This kind of documentary video should be possible in other contexts
> too. What about the steamboat «Skibladner»
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibladner) at lake Mjøsa? Or the boats
> travelling Göta Kanal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ta_Canal)?
> In general, what if we could build a rig to make such documentary
> videos? Just an idea.
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Abhilash S Unni]

I remember reading a news items about the plan for indian railways to have
some sort of national internet broadband network, riding on top of the
existing railway network.

Railtel Corporation of India Ltd, was supposed to provide broadband internet
connection in Kerala. Not sure how far the project has advanced.

Couldn't that network be used for such live streaming... just a thought

Abhi

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> hi,
>
> I was wondering if they would allow recording equipment to take video of
> the whole 64,215 km of tracks that the Indian Railway has and release it
> under a Creative Commons (CC-BY) license licensed to Indian Railways.
>
> Crazy but could be done. There are railway enthusiasts.
>
> warm regards,
> Pradeep Mohandas
>
> On 17 June 2011 16:06,  wrote:
>
>>  Email the General Manager, Western Railways - but I doubt you will get
>> any response!
>>
>>  --
>> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:53:04 +0530
>> From: pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
>> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another
>> strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> I wonder if anybody in the Indian Railways or cruise ships would be
>> interested in such a project.
>>
>> warm regards,
>> Pradeep Mohandas
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: *John Erling Blad* 
>> Date: 17 June 2011 03:04
>> Subject: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project
>> from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
>> To: Wikimedia Chapters cultural partners coordination <
>> cultural-partn...@wikimedia.ch>
>>
>>
>> In 2010 the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation made a strange video
>> production «Bergenbanen» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_Line), a
>> five hour contineous video streamed live from the train. Now they are
>> making «Hurtigruta» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurtigruten), a five
>> day contineous video from the ships travelling along the Norwegian
>> coastline. The stream should be available worlwide
>> (http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/). The previous stream about
>> Bergensbanen is made available under a creative commons license and is
>> also available at commons
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bergensbanen_1280x720.ogv).
>>
>> This kind of documentary video should be possible in other contexts
>> too. What about the steamboat «Skibladner»
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibladner) at lake Mjøsa? Or the boats
>> travelling Göta Kanal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ta_Canal)?
>> In general, what if we could build a rig to make such documentary
>> videos? Just an idea.
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Pradeep Mohandas]

hi,

I don't really think we need to live-cast. We could easily video tape and
upload it to Wikimedia Commons.

warm regards,
Pradeep Mohandas

On 17 June 2011 16:32, Abhilash S Unni  wrote:

> I remember reading a news items about the plan for indian railways to have
> some sort of national internet broadband network, riding on top of the
> existing railway network.
>
> Railtel Corporation of India Ltd, was supposed to provide broadband
> internet connection in Kerala. Not sure how far the project has advanced.
>
> Couldn't that network be used for such live streaming... just a thought
>
> Abhi
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
> pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> I was wondering if they would allow recording equipment to take video of
>> the whole 64,215 km of tracks that the Indian Railway has and release it
>> under a Creative Commons (CC-BY) license licensed to Indian Railways.
>>
>> Crazy but could be done. There are railway enthusiasts.
>>
>> warm regards,
>> Pradeep Mohandas
>>
>> On 17 June 2011 16:06,  wrote:
>>
>>>  Email the General Manager, Western Railways - but I doubt you will get
>>> any response!
>>>
>>>  --
>>> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:53:04 +0530
>>> From: pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
>>> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another
>>> strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
>>>
>>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> I wonder if anybody in the Indian Railways or cruise ships would be
>>> interested in such a project.
>>>
>>> warm regards,
>>> Pradeep Mohandas
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: *John Erling Blad* 
>>> Date: 17 June 2011 03:04
>>> Subject: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project
>>> from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
>>> To: Wikimedia Chapters cultural partners coordination <
>>> cultural-partn...@wikimedia.ch>
>>>
>>>
>>> In 2010 the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation made a strange video
>>> production «Bergenbanen» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_Line), a
>>> five hour contineous video streamed live from the train. Now they are
>>> making «Hurtigruta» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurtigruten), a five
>>> day contineous video from the ships travelling along the Norwegian
>>> coastline. The stream should be available worlwide
>>> (http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/). The previous stream about
>>> Bergensbanen is made available under a creative commons license and is
>>> also available at commons
>>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bergensbanen_1280x720.ogv).
>>>
>>> This kind of documentary video should be possible in other contexts
>>> too. What about the steamboat «Skibladner»
>>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibladner) at lake Mjøsa? Or the boats
>>> travelling Göta Kanal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ta_Canal)?
>>> In general, what if we could build a rig to make such documentary
>>> videos? Just an idea.
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

My suggestion:
You can try to use some like a Flip Video, on the Guard van of a train.
--Regards,


On 17 June 2011 16:35, Pradeep Mohandas  wrote:

> hi,
>
> I don't really think we need to live-cast. We could easily video tape and
> upload it to Wikimedia Commons.
>
> warm regards,
> Pradeep Mohandas
>
> On 17 June 2011 16:32, Abhilash S Unni  wrote:
>
>> I remember reading a news items about the plan for indian railways to have
>> some sort of national internet broadband network, riding on top of the
>> existing railway network.
>>
>> Railtel Corporation of India Ltd, was supposed to provide broadband
>> internet connection in Kerala. Not sure how far the project has advanced.
>>
>> Couldn't that network be used for such live streaming... just a thought
>>
>> Abhi
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
>> pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> I was wondering if they would allow recording equipment to take video of
>>> the whole 64,215 km of tracks that the Indian Railway has and release it
>>> under a Creative Commons (CC-BY) license licensed to Indian Railways.
>>>
>>> Crazy but could be done. There are railway enthusiasts.
>>>
>>> warm regards,
>>> Pradeep Mohandas
>>>
>>> On 17 June 2011 16:06,  wrote:
>>>
  Email the General Manager, Western Railways - but I doubt you will get
 any response!

  --
 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:53:04 +0530
 From: pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta -
 another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation


 hi,

 I wonder if anybody in the Indian Railways or cruise ships would be
 interested in such a project.

 warm regards,
 Pradeep Mohandas

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: *John Erling Blad* 
 Date: 17 June 2011 03:04
 Subject: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project
 from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
 To: Wikimedia Chapters cultural partners coordination <
 cultural-partn...@wikimedia.ch>


 In 2010 the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation made a strange video
 production «Bergenbanen» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_Line), a
 five hour contineous video streamed live from the train. Now they are
 making «Hurtigruta» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurtigruten), a five
 day contineous video from the ships travelling along the Norwegian
 coastline. The stream should be available worlwide
 (http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/). The previous stream about
 Bergensbanen is made available under a creative commons license and is
 also available at commons
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bergensbanen_1280x720.ogv).

 This kind of documentary video should be possible in other contexts
 too. What about the steamboat «Skibladner»
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibladner) at lake Mjøsa? Or the boats
 travelling Göta Kanal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ta_Canal)?
 In general, what if we could build a rig to make such documentary
 videos? Just an idea.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Pradeep Mohandas]

hi,

I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard bogey.
We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that we can
use the video during daytime only.

It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free" video
tape of all of that length of railway line.

warm regards,
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Abhilash S Unni]

Either ways it should work. The Railtel backbone (if existing) can be used
for live streaming, as was done in the case of Hurtigruta. Or a simple video
recorder should do the trick for a taped video production.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> hi,
>
> I don't really think we need to live-cast. We could easily video tape and
> upload it to Wikimedia Commons.
>
> warm regards,
> Pradeep Mohandas
>
> On 17 June 2011 16:32, Abhilash S Unni  wrote:
>
>> I remember reading a news items about the plan for indian railways to have
>> some sort of national internet broadband network, riding on top of the
>> existing railway network.
>>
>> Railtel Corporation of India Ltd, was supposed to provide broadband
>> internet connection in Kerala. Not sure how far the project has advanced.
>>
>> Couldn't that network be used for such live streaming... just a thought
>>
>> Abhi
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
>> pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> I was wondering if they would allow recording equipment to take video of
>>> the whole 64,215 km of tracks that the Indian Railway has and release it
>>> under a Creative Commons (CC-BY) license licensed to Indian Railways.
>>>
>>> Crazy but could be done. There are railway enthusiasts.
>>>
>>> warm regards,
>>> Pradeep Mohandas
>>>
>>> On 17 June 2011 16:06,  wrote:
>>>
  Email the General Manager, Western Railways - but I doubt you will get
 any response!

  --
 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:53:04 +0530
 From: pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta -
 another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation


 hi,

 I wonder if anybody in the Indian Railways or cruise ships would be
 interested in such a project.

 warm regards,
 Pradeep Mohandas

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: *John Erling Blad* 
 Date: 17 June 2011 03:04
 Subject: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project
 from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
 To: Wikimedia Chapters cultural partners coordination <
 cultural-partn...@wikimedia.ch>


 In 2010 the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation made a strange video
 production «Bergenbanen» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_Line), a
 five hour contineous video streamed live from the train. Now they are
 making «Hurtigruta» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurtigruten), a five
 day contineous video from the ships travelling along the Norwegian
 coastline. The stream should be available worlwide
 (http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/). The previous stream about
 Bergensbanen is made available under a creative commons license and is
 also available at commons
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bergensbanen_1280x720.ogv).

 This kind of documentary video should be possible in other contexts
 too. What about the steamboat «Skibladner»
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibladner) at lake Mjøsa? Or the boats
 travelling Göta Kanal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ta_Canal)?
 In general, what if we could build a rig to make such documentary
 videos? Just an idea.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Vickram Crishna]

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> hi,
>
> I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard bogey.
> We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that we can
> use the video during daytime only.
>
> It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free" video
> tape of all of that length of railway line.
>

Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be aware
that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record anyone
without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly in
legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the
Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction to
be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as this.
It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and
blurring all faces, mostly automatically.

For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some reading
on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court, aside from
individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for perspective.

I am totally in favour of this project being done, by the way. If enough
people can be found across the country who have time and access to Flips, I
doubt it would be very difficult to carry out, provided the Railways is
willing (and it is not illegal) to allow people in the Guard Bogies. I have
seen Flip night recordings, by the way, and do not think this is a major
impediment either.

With care (for individuals/faces), I think it might even be possible to do
on some city suburban rail lines. It may not require any permissions, if it
is done from passenger carriages. But doing it from the motorman's viewpoint
(definitely needs permission) could create some totally fascinating footage.


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Shiju Alex]

>
> Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities,
>

As far as I know there are restrictions (as per law) on shooting the
video/photograph of Indian Railway stations and trains. But many of us are
not aware about these restrictions.

Recently one of my wikimedian friend had the bad experience of warned by the
police when he was trying to capture the photo of a railway station. Every
single photo of railway station that he captured was deleted before the
police allowed him to go. So it is better to verify the existing
laws/policies and see whether such a project is viable in India.

May be with the permission from Railways we can do this project.




On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Vickram Crishna
wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
> pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard
>> bogey. We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that
>> we can use the video during daytime only.
>>
>> It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free" video
>> tape of all of that length of railway line.
>>
>
> Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be aware
> that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record anyone
> without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly in
> legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the
> Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction to
> be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as this.
> It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and
> blurring all faces, mostly automatically.
>
> For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some
> reading on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court,
> aside from individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for
> perspective.
>
> I am totally in favour of this project being done, by the way. If enough
> people can be found across the country who have time and access to Flips, I
> doubt it would be very difficult to carry out, provided the Railways is
> willing (and it is not illegal) to allow people in the Guard Bogies. I have
> seen Flip night recordings, by the way, and do not think this is a major
> impediment either.
>
> With care (for individuals/faces), I think it might even be possible to do
> on some city suburban rail lines. It may not require any permissions, if it
> is done from passenger carriages. But doing it from the motorman's viewpoint
> (definitely needs permission) could create some totally fascinating footage.
>
>
> --
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> Fool On The Hill 
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Pradeep Mohandas]

hi,

I think since what we want to do is videotape a railway route, the
driver's bogey is more suited to this. I would want to film during day
time only under good visibility conditions, where possible.

I think we could give the CC-BY-SA license to the Indian Railways.

I do not think there'll be too many people to worry about unlike
Google Street View.

Another interesting project could be trying to film rivers from source
to where it meets the sea.

It'll also be a way to map a few things.

Great points! Never thought this could be such an interesting
discussion. Flipcams are great too!

Pradeep

On 17/06/2011, Vickram Crishna  wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
> pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard
>> bogey.
>> We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that we
>> can
>> use the video during daytime only.
>>
>> It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free" video
>> tape of all of that length of railway line.
>>
>
> Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be aware
> that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record anyone
> without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly in
> legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the
> Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction to
> be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as this.
> It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and
> blurring all faces, mostly automatically.
>
> For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some reading
> on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court, aside from
> individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for perspective.
>
> I am totally in favour of this project being done, by the way. If enough
> people can be found across the country who have time and access to Flips, I
> doubt it would be very difficult to carry out, provided the Railways is
> willing (and it is not illegal) to allow people in the Guard Bogies. I have
> seen Flip night recordings, by the way, and do not think this is a major
> impediment either.
>
> With care (for individuals/faces), I think it might even be possible to do
> on some city suburban rail lines. It may not require any permissions, if it
> is done from passenger carriages. But doing it from the motorman's viewpoint
> (definitely needs permission) could create some totally fascinating footage.
>
>
> --
> Vickram
> Fool On The Hill 
>

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Shiju, what problem can railways have?
A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you
from photographing it. It isn't covered under the Official Secrets Act, is
it? Besides, if there was a problem, then a HUGE bunch of photographs from
the Commons shouldn't exist. If it were illegal, how come so many films are
shot in stations and trains?
If anybody wants, I can get a sample clip of a road, which can be applied to
rail as well.
--Regards,


On 17 June 2011 17:48, Pradeep Mohandas  wrote:

> hi,
>
> I think since what we want to do is videotape a railway route, the
> driver's bogey is more suited to this. I would want to film during day
> time only under good visibility conditions, where possible.
>
> I think we could give the CC-BY-SA license to the Indian Railways.
>
> I do not think there'll be too many people to worry about unlike
> Google Street View.
>
> Another interesting project could be trying to film rivers from source
> to where it meets the sea.
>
> It'll also be a way to map a few things.
>
> Great points! Never thought this could be such an interesting
> discussion. Flipcams are great too!
>
> Pradeep
>
> On 17/06/2011, Vickram Crishna  wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
> > pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> hi,
> >>
> >> I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard
> >> bogey.
> >> We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that we
> >> can
> >> use the video during daytime only.
> >>
> >> It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free" video
> >> tape of all of that length of railway line.
> >>
> >
> > Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be
> aware
> > that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record
> anyone
> > without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly in
> > legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the
> > Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction
> to
> > be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as
> this.
> > It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and
> > blurring all faces, mostly automatically.
> >
> > For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some
> reading
> > on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court, aside
> from
> > individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for perspective.
> >
> > I am totally in favour of this project being done, by the way. If enough
> > people can be found across the country who have time and access to Flips,
> I
> > doubt it would be very difficult to carry out, provided the Railways is
> > willing (and it is not illegal) to allow people in the Guard Bogies. I
> have
> > seen Flip night recordings, by the way, and do not think this is a major
> > impediment either.
> >
> > With care (for individuals/faces), I think it might even be possible to
> do
> > on some city suburban rail lines. It may not require any permissions, if
> it
> > is done from passenger carriages. But doing it from the motorman's
> viewpoint
> > (definitely needs permission) could create some totally fascinating
> footage.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Vickram
> > Fool On The Hill 
> >
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Vickram Crishna]

I think we have had this discussion just last week, with respect to mapping
data from the census.

It is not a question of what problems the railways could have, or the census
authorities could have. It is simply the intellectual laziness that got them
to declare the information copyrighted for reproduction with permission
only, a loophole that allows any officer to sit on the release. In the case
of the railways, it might be the fear that if they allow free use of such
pictorial data, somebody might raise an objection on security grounds at
some point in the future (never mind that truly dangerous - well,
potentially dangerous, much depends on intent - photographic information can
be gathered at low risk using modern photographic equipment).

I have not checked which Act covers this rail secrecy, but there used to be
notices on every road and rail bridge forbidding photography on grounds of
national security.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Shiju, what problem can railways have?
> A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you
> from photographing it. It isn't covered under the Official Secrets Act, is
> it? Besides, if there was a problem, then a HUGE bunch of photographs from
> the Commons shouldn't exist. If it were illegal, how come so many films are
> shot in stations and trains?
> If anybody wants, I can get a sample clip of a road, which can be applied
> to rail as well.
> --Regards,
>
>
>
> On 17 June 2011 17:48, Pradeep Mohandas wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> I think since what we want to do is videotape a railway route, the
>> driver's bogey is more suited to this. I would want to film during day
>> time only under good visibility conditions, where possible.
>>
>> I think we could give the CC-BY-SA license to the Indian Railways.
>>
>> I do not think there'll be too many people to worry about unlike
>> Google Street View.
>>
>> Another interesting project could be trying to film rivers from source
>> to where it meets the sea.
>>
>> It'll also be a way to map a few things.
>>
>> Great points! Never thought this could be such an interesting
>> discussion. Flipcams are great too!
>>
>> Pradeep
>>
>> On 17/06/2011, Vickram Crishna  wrote:
>> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
>> > pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> hi,
>> >>
>> >> I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard
>> >> bogey.
>> >> We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that we
>> >> can
>> >> use the video during daytime only.
>> >>
>> >> It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free"
>> video
>> >> tape of all of that length of railway line.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be
>> aware
>> > that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record
>> anyone
>> > without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly
>> in
>> > legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the
>> > Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction
>> to
>> > be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as
>> this.
>> > It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and
>> > blurring all faces, mostly automatically.
>> >
>> > For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some
>> reading
>> > on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court, aside
>> from
>> > individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for perspective.
>> >
>> > I am totally in favour of this project being done, by the way. If enough
>> > people can be found across the country who have time and access to
>> Flips, I
>> > doubt it would be very difficult to carry out, provided the Railways is
>> > willing (and it is not illegal) to allow people in the Guard Bogies. I
>> have
>> > seen Flip night recordings, by the way, and do not think this is a major
>> > impediment either.
>> >
>> > With care (for individuals/faces), I think it might even be possible to
>> do
>> > on some city suburban rail lines. It may not require any permissions, if
>> it
>> > is done from passenger carriages. But doing it from the motorman's
>> viewpoint
>> > (definitely needs permission) could create some totally fascinating
>> footage.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Vickram
>> > Fool On The Hill 
>> >
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Shiju Alex]

>
> A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you
> from photographing it.
>

That is our assumption. Just like that we assume that all Indian/State
Government websites are in public domain since ours is a democractic nation.
But in reality that is not true. Government is imposing restrictions on
various things through copyright law. Refer to the earlier
mails/clarifications sent by Gautham.

See the below site which lists some restrictions regarding photographing
Indian Railway assets.

http://www.irfca.org/~shankie/irphotography/irphotography.htm

>From there:

THE OFFICIAL VERSION:

India, it would appear, suffers from a persecution complex. Several places
are considered restricted in India. These include bridges, railroad yards,
railway premises, sheds, workshops, stations and tunnels. These are supposed
to be of military importance.  Officials are very skittish about the whole
thing,  and many of them tend to go overboard in trying to enforce these
restrictions. Its against the law to take a photograph of a train at the
station, yet, you can walk a few metres away, just outside the station
limits, and shoot freely from there. Or from the overbridge just before the
station. Or from the lineside in open country. Which is why we railfans call
these 'idiot restrictions'. But thats another story.

Hence officially, if you are planning on doing some really serious and
extensive railroad photography in India, it is absolutely essential for you
to apply for and acquire a permit. You will need to write to:

The Joint Director of Public Relations, Railway Board,  Rail Bhavan,  New
Delhi-110001,  India.

As far as I know, most of the railway related restrictions are imposed by
Indian railways, not by Central Government. But I couldn't find an official
document related to this.

Now Railway police/authorities are trying to impose this official/unofficial
policy/law through various means.


Shiju





On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Shiju, what problem can railways have?
> A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you
> from photographing it. It isn't covered under the Official Secrets Act, is
> it? Besides, if there was a problem, then a HUGE bunch of photographs from
> the Commons shouldn't exist. If it were illegal, how come so many films are
> shot in stations and trains?
> If anybody wants, I can get a sample clip of a road, which can be applied
> to rail as well.
> --Regards,
>
>
>
> On 17 June 2011 17:48, Pradeep Mohandas wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> I think since what we want to do is videotape a railway route, the
>> driver's bogey is more suited to this. I would want to film during day
>> time only under good visibility conditions, where possible.
>>
>> I think we could give the CC-BY-SA license to the Indian Railways.
>>
>> I do not think there'll be too many people to worry about unlike
>> Google Street View.
>>
>> Another interesting project could be trying to film rivers from source
>> to where it meets the sea.
>>
>> It'll also be a way to map a few things.
>>
>> Great points! Never thought this could be such an interesting
>> discussion. Flipcams are great too!
>>
>> Pradeep
>>
>> On 17/06/2011, Vickram Crishna  wrote:
>> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
>> > pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> hi,
>> >>
>> >> I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard
>> >> bogey.
>> >> We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that we
>> >> can
>> >> use the video during daytime only.
>> >>
>> >> It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free"
>> video
>> >> tape of all of that length of railway line.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be
>> aware
>> > that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record
>> anyone
>> > without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly
>> in
>> > legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the
>> > Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction
>> to
>> > be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as
>> this.
>> > It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and
>> > blurring all faces, mostly automatically.
>> >
>> > For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some
>> reading
>> > on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court, aside
>> from
>> > individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for perspective.
>> >
>> > I am totally in favour of this project being done, by the way. If enough
>> > people can be found across the country who have time and access to
>> Flips, I
>> > doubt it would be very difficult to carry out, provided the Railways is
>> > willing (and it is not illegal) to allow people in the Guard Bogies. I
>> have
>> > seen Flip night recordings, by the

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Bineesh Thomas]

I dont think all these restrictions are just copyright matters, basically
security issues. So once if we can convince the intention, then it should be
fine.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Shiju Alex wrote:

> A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you
>> from photographing it.
>>
>
> That is our assumption. Just like that we assume that all Indian/State
> Government websites are in public domain since ours is a democractic nation.
> But in reality that is not true. Government is imposing restrictions on
> various things through copyright law. Refer to the earlier
> mails/clarifications sent by Gautham.
>
> See the below site which lists some restrictions regarding photographing
> Indian Railway assets.
>
> http://www.irfca.org/~shankie/irphotography/irphotography.htm
>
> From there:
>
> THE OFFICIAL VERSION:
>
> India, it would appear, suffers from a persecution complex. Several places
> are considered restricted in India. These include bridges, railroad yards,
> railway premises, sheds, workshops, stations and tunnels. These are supposed
> to be of military importance.  Officials are very skittish about the whole
> thing,  and many of them tend to go overboard in trying to enforce these
> restrictions. Its against the law to take a photograph of a train at the
> station, yet, you can walk a few metres away, just outside the station
> limits, and shoot freely from there. Or from the overbridge just before the
> station. Or from the lineside in open country. Which is why we railfans call
> these 'idiot restrictions'. But thats another story.
>
> Hence officially, if you are planning on doing some really serious and
> extensive railroad photography in India, it is absolutely essential for you
> to apply for and acquire a permit. You will need to write to:
>
> The Joint Director of Public Relations, Railway Board,  Rail Bhavan,  New
> Delhi-110001,  India.
>
> As far as I know, most of the railway related restrictions are imposed by
> Indian railways, not by Central Government. But I couldn't find an official
> document related to this.
>
> Now Railway police/authorities are trying to impose this
> official/unofficial policy/law through various means.
>
>
> Shiju
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Shiju, what problem can railways have?
>> A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you
>> from photographing it. It isn't covered under the Official Secrets Act, is
>> it? Besides, if there was a problem, then a HUGE bunch of photographs from
>> the Commons shouldn't exist. If it were illegal, how come so many films are
>> shot in stations and trains?
>> If anybody wants, I can get a sample clip of a road, which can be applied
>> to rail as well.
>> --Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 June 2011 17:48, Pradeep Mohandas wrote:
>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> I think since what we want to do is videotape a railway route, the
>>> driver's bogey is more suited to this. I would want to film during day
>>> time only under good visibility conditions, where possible.
>>>
>>> I think we could give the CC-BY-SA license to the Indian Railways.
>>>
>>> I do not think there'll be too many people to worry about unlike
>>> Google Street View.
>>>
>>> Another interesting project could be trying to film rivers from source
>>> to where it meets the sea.
>>>
>>> It'll also be a way to map a few things.
>>>
>>> Great points! Never thought this could be such an interesting
>>> discussion. Flipcams are great too!
>>>
>>> Pradeep
>>>
>>> On 17/06/2011, Vickram Crishna  wrote:
>>> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
>>> > pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard
>>> >> bogey.
>>> >> We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that
>>> we
>>> >> can
>>> >> use the video during daytime only.
>>> >>
>>> >> It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free"
>>> video
>>> >> tape of all of that length of railway line.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be
>>> aware
>>> > that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record
>>> anyone
>>> > without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly
>>> in
>>> > legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the
>>> > Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction
>>> to
>>> > be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as
>>> this.
>>> > It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and
>>> > blurring all faces, mostly automatically.
>>> >
>>> > For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some
>>> reading
>>> > on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court, aside
>>> from
>>> > individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for perspective.

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Shiju,
Does that make any of these two of my photographs on the commons illegal?
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BETL-BMIC-Hosur-_Road-Junction.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Garden-City-Skyway-Bridge-KRPuram.jpg
Also, does the government differentiate between Photography and Videography?
--Regards,
Srikanth.

On 17 June 2011 21:12, Shiju Alex  wrote:

> A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you
>> from photographing it.
>>
>
> That is our assumption. Just like that we assume that all Indian/State
> Government websites are in public domain since ours is a democractic nation.
> But in reality that is not true. Government is imposing restrictions on
> various things through copyright law. Refer to the earlier
> mails/clarifications sent by Gautham.
>
> See the below site which lists some restrictions regarding photographing
> Indian Railway assets.
>
> http://www.irfca.org/~shankie/irphotography/irphotography.htm
>
> From there:
>
> THE OFFICIAL VERSION:
>
> India, it would appear, suffers from a persecution complex. Several places
> are considered restricted in India. These include bridges, railroad yards,
> railway premises, sheds, workshops, stations and tunnels. These are supposed
> to be of military importance.  Officials are very skittish about the whole
> thing,  and many of them tend to go overboard in trying to enforce these
> restrictions. Its against the law to take a photograph of a train at the
> station, yet, you can walk a few metres away, just outside the station
> limits, and shoot freely from there. Or from the overbridge just before the
> station. Or from the lineside in open country. Which is why we railfans call
> these 'idiot restrictions'. But thats another story.
>
> Hence officially, if you are planning on doing some really serious and
> extensive railroad photography in India, it is absolutely essential for you
> to apply for and acquire a permit. You will need to write to:
>
> The Joint Director of Public Relations, Railway Board,  Rail Bhavan,  New
> Delhi-110001,  India.
>
> As far as I know, most of the railway related restrictions are imposed by
> Indian railways, not by Central Government. But I couldn't find an official
> document related to this.
>
> Now Railway police/authorities are trying to impose this
> official/unofficial policy/law through various means.
>
>
> Shiju
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Shiju, what problem can railways have?
>> A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you
>> from photographing it. It isn't covered under the Official Secrets Act, is
>> it? Besides, if there was a problem, then a HUGE bunch of photographs from
>> the Commons shouldn't exist. If it were illegal, how come so many films are
>> shot in stations and trains?
>> If anybody wants, I can get a sample clip of a road, which can be applied
>> to rail as well.
>> --Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 June 2011 17:48, Pradeep Mohandas wrote:
>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> I think since what we want to do is videotape a railway route, the
>>> driver's bogey is more suited to this. I would want to film during day
>>> time only under good visibility conditions, where possible.
>>>
>>> I think we could give the CC-BY-SA license to the Indian Railways.
>>>
>>> I do not think there'll be too many people to worry about unlike
>>> Google Street View.
>>>
>>> Another interesting project could be trying to film rivers from source
>>> to where it meets the sea.
>>>
>>> It'll also be a way to map a few things.
>>>
>>> Great points! Never thought this could be such an interesting
>>> discussion. Flipcams are great too!
>>>
>>> Pradeep
>>>
>>> On 17/06/2011, Vickram Crishna  wrote:
>>> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
>>> > pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard
>>> >> bogey.
>>> >> We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that
>>> we
>>> >> can
>>> >> use the video during daytime only.
>>> >>
>>> >> It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free"
>>> video
>>> >> tape of all of that length of railway line.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be
>>> aware
>>> > that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record
>>> anyone
>>> > without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly
>>> in
>>> > legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the
>>> > Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction
>>> to
>>> > be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as
>>> this.
>>> > It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and
>>> > blurring all faces, mostly automatically.
>>> >
>>> > For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some
>>> r

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Shiju Alex]

Commons deal these issues in a different way I guess. Let active Commons
users comment on this.

Fortunately foreign nationals have permission to capture images. :)  See
page 13 of the below official document. Especially clause 1.3. :)

http://www.indianrailways.gov.in/uploads/directorate/prd/PR/PR-MANUAL.pdf


Shiju

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Shiju,
> Does that make any of these two of my photographs on the commons illegal?
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BETL-BMIC-Hosur-_Road-Junction.jpg
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Garden-City-Skyway-Bridge-KRPuram.jpg
> Also, does the government differentiate between Photography and
> Videography?
> --Regards,
> Srikanth.
>
>
> On 17 June 2011 21:12, Shiju Alex  wrote:
>
>> A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you
>>> from photographing it.
>>>
>>
>> That is our assumption. Just like that we assume that all Indian/State
>> Government websites are in public domain since ours is a democractic nation.
>> But in reality that is not true. Government is imposing restrictions on
>> various things through copyright law. Refer to the earlier
>> mails/clarifications sent by Gautham.
>>
>> See the below site which lists some restrictions regarding photographing
>> Indian Railway assets.
>>
>> http://www.irfca.org/~shankie/irphotography/irphotography.htm
>>
>> From there:
>>
>> THE OFFICIAL VERSION:
>>
>> India, it would appear, suffers from a persecution complex. Several
>> places  are considered restricted in India. These include bridges, railroad
>> yards, railway premises, sheds, workshops, stations and tunnels. These are
>> supposed to be of military importance.  Officials are very skittish about
>> the whole thing,  and many of them tend to go overboard in trying to enforce
>> these restrictions. Its against the law to take a photograph of a train at
>> the station, yet, you can walk a few metres away, just outside the station
>> limits, and shoot freely from there. Or from the overbridge just before the
>> station. Or from the lineside in open country. Which is why we railfans call
>> these 'idiot restrictions'. But thats another story.
>>
>> Hence officially, if you are planning on doing some really serious and
>> extensive railroad photography in India, it is absolutely essential for you
>> to apply for and acquire a permit. You will need to write to:
>>
>> The Joint Director of Public Relations, Railway Board,  Rail Bhavan,  New
>> Delhi-110001,  India.
>>
>> As far as I know, most of the railway related restrictions are imposed by
>> Indian railways, not by Central Government. But I couldn't find an official
>> document related to this.
>>
>> Now Railway police/authorities are trying to impose this
>> official/unofficial policy/law through various means.
>>
>>
>> Shiju
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
>> rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Shiju, what problem can railways have?
>>> A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you
>>> from photographing it. It isn't covered under the Official Secrets Act, is
>>> it? Besides, if there was a problem, then a HUGE bunch of photographs from
>>> the Commons shouldn't exist. If it were illegal, how come so many films are
>>> shot in stations and trains?
>>> If anybody wants, I can get a sample clip of a road, which can be applied
>>> to rail as well.
>>> --Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 June 2011 17:48, Pradeep Mohandas wrote:
>>>
 hi,

 I think since what we want to do is videotape a railway route, the
 driver's bogey is more suited to this. I would want to film during day
 time only under good visibility conditions, where possible.

 I think we could give the CC-BY-SA license to the Indian Railways.

 I do not think there'll be too many people to worry about unlike
 Google Street View.

 Another interesting project could be trying to film rivers from source
 to where it meets the sea.

 It'll also be a way to map a few things.

 Great points! Never thought this could be such an interesting
 discussion. Flipcams are great too!

 Pradeep

 On 17/06/2011, Vickram Crishna  wrote:
 > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
 > pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 >> hi,
 >>
 >> I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard
 >> bogey.
 >> We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that
 we
 >> can
 >> use the video during daytime only.
 >>
 >> It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free"
 video
 >> tape of all of that length of railway line.
 >>
 >
 > Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be
 aware
 > that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record
 an

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Bishakha Datta]

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Shiju,
> Does that make any of these two of my photographs on the commons illegal?
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BETL-BMIC-Hosur-_Road-Junction.jpg
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Garden-City-Skyway-Bridge-KRPuram.jpg
> Also, does the government differentiate between Photography and
> Videography?
> --Regards,
> Srikanth.
>
>
> Pradeep,

Do you think we should raise some of these specific issues around copyright
in India to Shishir Jha of Creative Commons India at his talk in Mumbai
tomorrow? Maybe he can help us understand this better?

Best
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Shiju, Thanks for the link.
However, everything in that mentions Foreigners, not Indian nationals
residing in India.
Why?
--Regards,

On 17 June 2011 21:21, Bishakha Datta  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Shiju,
>>
>> Does that make any of these two of my photographs on the commons illegal?
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BETL-BMIC-Hosur-_Road-Junction.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Garden-City-Skyway-Bridge-KRPuram.jpg
>> Also, does the government differentiate between Photography and
>> Videography?
>> --Regards,
>> Srikanth.
>>
>>
>> Pradeep,
>
> Do you think we should raise some of these specific issues around copyright
> in India to Shishir Jha of Creative Commons India at his talk in Mumbai
> tomorrow? Maybe he can help us understand this better?
>
> Best
> Bishakha
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Pradeep Mohandas]

hi,

I don't foresee doing this project without consent from the Railway. If we
do it with their consent, we get into the grey areas of copyright which
we're not sure how to tackle.

I'd suggest doing the project with permission from the Railways and then
giving the CC-BY-SA license in the Railway name. I think all we need to
figure out is whether this can be done.

warm regards,
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 92 (Action Required)

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 92 (Action Required)

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Vickram Crishna]

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Can someone, not necessarily from the Chapter, write to IR and find out?
>

It is a bit of a cart before the horse suggestion. Several alternate
projects have been suggested. Who actually has the wherewithal to take up
something on this scale? Let's work on the back-end first, at least in terms
of chalking out how it could be done, start to finish. At that point we can
approach the Railways.

>
> On 17 June 2011 22:23, Pradeep Mohandas wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> I don't foresee doing this project without consent from the Railway. If we
>> do it with their consent, we get into the grey areas of copyright which
>> we're not sure how to tackle.
>>
>> I'd suggest doing the project with permission from the Railways and then
>> giving the CC-BY-SA license in the Railway name. I think all we need to
>> figure out is whether this can be done.
>>
>> warm regards,
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Press Contacts in Mumbai

[Naveen Francis]

Hi

Wish you all the best for the event.
Do we have any list of websites which we are urging to change copyright
license to creative commons ?
if it there can you please add the following websites also ?

1. http://nptel.iitm.ac.in/ -- National Programme on Technology Enhanced
Learning  -- it is only policy decision and few clicks in youtube. You can
give MIT OpenCourseWare   and Khan
Academy
as an examples. I had send mail to admin but there was no reply. I hope this
event is best way to make them understand.

2. http://www.surveyofindia.gov.in/ - This is long term wish of WP:IND -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IND . Multiple requests no reply.

3.http://www.censusindia.gov.in/ - There was recent discussion in this mail
chain,

Thanks,
Naveen Francis

On 17 June 2011 13:50,  wrote:

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>
> Pradeep and Tinu are working on invlovling the media in tomorrows GLAM
> event in Mumbai. They are on the lookout for Press Contacts in Mumbai - if
> you can help please email tinucher...@gmail.com or
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia board election is going on...

[Naveen Francis]

Results are out ...
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en

Congrats new board members. Ting Chen (Wing), Samuel Klein (Sj) and Kat
Walsh (mindspillage).


On 31 May 2011 08:44, Naveen Francis  wrote:

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