[Wikimediaindia-l] Indic has arrived! -- on devices !!

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

Hi all,

It was a almost a unimaginable surprise when I heard a Samsung camera has a
Tamil interface! See pic[1]. It is important milestone when Indic is
starting to reach beyond computers, mobiles. While this also reinforces the
Indic growth theory(not just wikimedia in non-profit space, even for
business in for-profit space), it also means more work for those who are
working on Indic space (translation, content creation,technology). Their
work will directly or indirectly reach more people outside wikimedia
projects. Projects like wiktionary will be source for many languages which
might not have any other largest source of vocabulary elsewhere. I would
not be surprised if in future translations for real world things are done
openly through projects like translatewiki :)

[1]
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tamil_interface_camera-suya_prakash-salem_Wiki_DEC2011-Tamil_Nadu626.JPG

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[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Yuvaraj Pandian & Max Semink

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

Welcome YuviPanda! :)

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Date: Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 13:58
Subject: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Yuvaraj Pandian & Max Semink
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Greetings all,

The Mobile and Special Projects department is pleased to announce the
addition of two new contractors to the team: Yuvaraj Pandian and Max
Seminik.

Yuvaraj Pandian or Yuvi as we gotten to know him was one of our 2011
Google Summer of Code students. During GSoC he worked with Arthur
Richards on porting the Wikipedia 1.0 bot to a PHP extension named
Selection Sifter. This was in important offline project as it allowed
us to better support and extend our offline tool chains. Previous to
this he had been active in the busroutes.in community where users
@logic and @planemad motivated him to come on and help the Wikimedia
community. One of his early Wikimedia project memories includes the
tawiki community discussing the ShortUrl extension. He found the
entire channel so lively and helpful that he applied for GSoC.

Yuvi will be working for us remotely while on a six month sabbatical
from KCG College of Technology, India. He'll be extending the Android
app, enhancing MobileFrontend, and working with our various offline
efforts to further the reach of the projects. You can find him on irc
under the nick 'yuviapanda' .

Max Semink has been an active MediaWiki contributor since 2009. He's
recently been most involved in developing the API Sandbox for
MediaWiki. An extension that allows any user to easily create complex
API queries through a visual interface. When not hacking on MediaWiki,
Max has been busy developing C++ software for embedded systems in the
railroad industry. While train switching has captured the majority of
his recent developer cycles, he's super eager to change direction and
focus his full time efforts on MediaWiki.

Max will be continuing his interest in the API by helping us improve
and extend its use within mobile. He'll be adding a proper API to
MobileFrontend, extending support for GPS, and in general moving the
API forward for our mobile clients. Max will be working for us
remotely and can be found under the nick 'MaxSem' .

It's great to be able to see two active community members be able to
join us full time.

Please join me in (re)-welcoming Yuvi and Max!

--tomasz

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[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Yuvaraj Pandian & Max Semink

[Santhosh Thottingal]

Congrats Yuvaraj Pandian!

-santhosh


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Date: Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:58 PM
Subject: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Yuvaraj Pandian & Max Semink
To: wmf...@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia developers



Greetings all,

The Mobile and Special Projects department is pleased to announce the
addition of two new contractors to the team: Yuvaraj Pandian and Max
Seminik.

Yuvaraj Pandian or Yuvi as we gotten to know him was one of our 2011
Google Summer of Code students. During GSoC he worked with Arthur
Richards on porting the Wikipedia 1.0 bot to a PHP extension named
Selection Sifter. This was in important offline project as it allowed
us to better support and extend our offline tool chains. Previous to
this he had been active in the busroutes.in community where users
@logic and @planemad motivated him to come on and help the Wikimedia
community. One of his early Wikimedia project memories includes the
tawiki community discussing the ShortUrl extension. He found the
entire channel so lively and helpful that he applied for GSoC.

Yuvi will be working for us remotely while on a six month sabbatical
from KCG College of Technology, India. He'll be extending the Android
app, enhancing MobileFrontend, and working with our various offline
efforts to further the reach of the projects. You can find him on irc
under the nick 'yuviapanda' .

Max Semink has been an active MediaWiki contributor since 2009. He's
recently been most involved in developing the API Sandbox for
MediaWiki. An extension that allows any user to easily create complex
API queries through a visual interface. When not hacking on MediaWiki,
Max has been busy developing C++ software for embedded systems in the
railroad industry. While train switching has captured the majority of
his recent developer cycles, he's super eager to change direction and
focus his full time efforts on MediaWiki.

Max will be continuing his interest in the API by helping us improve
and extend its use within mobile. He'll be adding a proper API to
MobileFrontend, extending support for GPS, and in general moving the
API forward for our mobile clients. Max will be working for us
remotely and can be found under the nick 'MaxSem' .

It's great to be able to see two active community members be able to
join us full time.

Please join me in (re)-welcoming Yuvi and Max!

--tomasz

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Yuvaraj Pandian & Max Semink

[Subhashish Panigrahi]

Wow congratulations Yuvi and Max, many more things to come from you guys :)

Subha

On 19 December 2011 14:02, Santhosh Thottingal <
santhosh.thottin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Congrats Yuvaraj Pandian!
>
> -santhosh
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Tomasz Finc 
> Date: Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:58 PM
> Subject: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Yuvaraj Pandian & Max Semink
> To: wmf...@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia developers
> 
>
>
> Greetings all,
>
> The Mobile and Special Projects department is pleased to announce the
> addition of two new contractors to the team: Yuvaraj Pandian and Max
> Seminik.
>
> Yuvaraj Pandian or Yuvi as we gotten to know him was one of our 2011
> Google Summer of Code students. During GSoC he worked with Arthur
> Richards on porting the Wikipedia 1.0 bot to a PHP extension named
> Selection Sifter. This was in important offline project as it allowed
> us to better support and extend our offline tool chains. Previous to
> this he had been active in the busroutes.in community where users
> @logic and @planemad motivated him to come on and help the Wikimedia
> community. One of his early Wikimedia project memories includes the
> tawiki community discussing the ShortUrl extension. He found the
> entire channel so lively and helpful that he applied for GSoC.
>
> Yuvi will be working for us remotely while on a six month sabbatical
> from KCG College of Technology, India. He'll be extending the Android
> app, enhancing MobileFrontend, and working with our various offline
> efforts to further the reach of the projects. You can find him on irc
> under the nick 'yuviapanda' .
>
> Max Semink has been an active MediaWiki contributor since 2009. He's
> recently been most involved in developing the API Sandbox for
> MediaWiki. An extension that allows any user to easily create complex
> API queries through a visual interface. When not hacking on MediaWiki,
> Max has been busy developing C++ software for embedded systems in the
> railroad industry. While train switching has captured the majority of
> his recent developer cycles, he's super eager to change direction and
> focus his full time efforts on MediaWiki.
>
> Max will be continuing his interest in the API by helping us improve
> and extend its use within mobile. He'll be adding a proper API to
> MobileFrontend, extending support for GPS, and in general moving the
> API forward for our mobile clients. Max will be working for us
> remotely and can be found under the nick 'MaxSem' .
>
> It's great to be able to see two active community members be able to
> join us full time.
>
> Please join me in (re)-welcoming Yuvi and Max!
>
> --tomasz
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Yuvaraj Pandian & Max Semink

[CherianTinu Abraham]

Congrats and Bestwishes to Yuvipanda :)

-Tinu Cherian

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Santhosh Thottingal <
santhosh.thottin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Congrats Yuvaraj Pandian!
>
> -santhosh
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Tomasz Finc 
> Date: Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:58 PM
> Subject: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Yuvaraj Pandian & Max Semink
> To: wmf...@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia developers
> 
>
>
> Greetings all,
>
> The Mobile and Special Projects department is pleased to announce the
> addition of two new contractors to the team: Yuvaraj Pandian and Max
> Seminik.
>
> Yuvaraj Pandian or Yuvi as we gotten to know him was one of our 2011
> Google Summer of Code students. During GSoC he worked with Arthur
> Richards on porting the Wikipedia 1.0 bot to a PHP extension named
> Selection Sifter. This was in important offline project as it allowed
> us to better support and extend our offline tool chains. Previous to
> this he had been active in the busroutes.in community where users
> @logic and @planemad motivated him to come on and help the Wikimedia
> community. One of his early Wikimedia project memories includes the
> tawiki community discussing the ShortUrl extension. He found the
> entire channel so lively and helpful that he applied for GSoC.
>
> Yuvi will be working for us remotely while on a six month sabbatical
> from KCG College of Technology, India. He'll be extending the Android
> app, enhancing MobileFrontend, and working with our various offline
> efforts to further the reach of the projects. You can find him on irc
> under the nick 'yuviapanda' .
>
> Max Semink has been an active MediaWiki contributor since 2009. He's
> recently been most involved in developing the API Sandbox for
> MediaWiki. An extension that allows any user to easily create complex
> API queries through a visual interface. When not hacking on MediaWiki,
> Max has been busy developing C++ software for embedded systems in the
> railroad industry. While train switching has captured the majority of
> his recent developer cycles, he's super eager to change direction and
> focus his full time efforts on MediaWiki.
>
> Max will be continuing his interest in the API by helping us improve
> and extend its use within mobile. He'll be adding a proper API to
> MobileFrontend, extending support for GPS, and in general moving the
> API forward for our mobile clients. Max will be working for us
> remotely and can be found under the nick 'MaxSem' .
>
> It's great to be able to see two active community members be able to
> join us full time.
>
> Please join me in (re)-welcoming Yuvi and Max!
>
> --tomasz
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Yuvaraj Pandian & Max Semink

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Congrats Yuvi. Keep up the good work.

On 12/19/11, CherianTinu Abraham  wrote:
> Congrats and Bestwishes to Yuvipanda :)
>
> -Tinu Cherian
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Santhosh Thottingal <
> santhosh.thottin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Congrats Yuvaraj Pandian!
>>
>> -santhosh
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Tomasz Finc 
>> Date: Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:58 PM
>> Subject: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Yuvaraj Pandian & Max Semink
>> To: wmf...@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia developers
>> 
>>
>>
>> Greetings all,
>>
>> The Mobile and Special Projects department is pleased to announce the
>> addition of two new contractors to the team: Yuvaraj Pandian and Max
>> Seminik.
>>
>> Yuvaraj Pandian or Yuvi as we gotten to know him was one of our 2011
>> Google Summer of Code students. During GSoC he worked with Arthur
>> Richards on porting the Wikipedia 1.0 bot to a PHP extension named
>> Selection Sifter. This was in important offline project as it allowed
>> us to better support and extend our offline tool chains. Previous to
>> this he had been active in the busroutes.in community where users
>> @logic and @planemad motivated him to come on and help the Wikimedia
>> community. One of his early Wikimedia project memories includes the
>> tawiki community discussing the ShortUrl extension. He found the
>> entire channel so lively and helpful that he applied for GSoC.
>>
>> Yuvi will be working for us remotely while on a six month sabbatical
>> from KCG College of Technology, India. He'll be extending the Android
>> app, enhancing MobileFrontend, and working with our various offline
>> efforts to further the reach of the projects. You can find him on irc
>> under the nick 'yuviapanda' .
>>
>> Max Semink has been an active MediaWiki contributor since 2009. He's
>> recently been most involved in developing the API Sandbox for
>> MediaWiki. An extension that allows any user to easily create complex
>> API queries through a visual interface. When not hacking on MediaWiki,
>> Max has been busy developing C++ software for embedded systems in the
>> railroad industry. While train switching has captured the majority of
>> his recent developer cycles, he's super eager to change direction and
>> focus his full time efforts on MediaWiki.
>>
>> Max will be continuing his interest in the API by helping us improve
>> and extend its use within mobile. He'll be adding a proper API to
>> MobileFrontend, extending support for GPS, and in general moving the
>> API forward for our mobile clients. Max will be working for us
>> remotely and can be found under the nick 'MaxSem' .
>>
>> It's great to be able to see two active community members be able to
>> join us full time.
>>
>> Please join me in (re)-welcoming Yuvi and Max!
>>
>> --tomasz
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic has arrived! -- on devices !!

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Srikanth,
This is brilliant. Great news. Now if only my phone could support
Indic languages. I'd've said Supera Irukke. But still, an important
milestone. I only hope however, that translations are appropriate. I
hope it's not a simply transliterated interface or extremely technical
at the same time.

On 12/19/11, Srikanth Lakshmanan  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> It was a almost a unimaginable surprise when I heard a Samsung camera has a
> Tamil interface! See pic[1]. It is important milestone when Indic is
> starting to reach beyond computers, mobiles. While this also reinforces the
> Indic growth theory(not just wikimedia in non-profit space, even for
> business in for-profit space), it also means more work for those who are
> working on Indic space (translation, content creation,technology). Their
> work will directly or indirectly reach more people outside wikimedia
> projects. Projects like wiktionary will be source for many languages which
> might not have any other largest source of vocabulary elsewhere. I would
> not be surprised if in future translations for real world things are done
> openly through projects like translatewiki :)
>
> [1]
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tamil_interface_camera-suya_prakash-salem_Wiki_DEC2011-Tamil_Nadu626.JPG
>
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>


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Mitra,
The simplest way to get started on the Wikipedia is to click on the
Edit button. For photographs, head to http://commons.Wikimedia.org and
click on Upload file on the left. Make sure you're logged in first
though.
Happy Editing, :-)

On 12/18/11, Mitra sharma  wrote:
> Hi Noopur,
>
> Thanks for warm welcome! :) :) I'm based out of Delhi and know a few people
> who would love to contribute for Gujurat and Mumbai.
>
> I  already am a member, how do I go about it post that?
>
> Best,
> Mitra
>
> On 18 December 2011 23:58, Noopur  wrote:
>
>> Dear Mitra and others,
>> Welcome  Mitra :) Here is a link to a start page:
>> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Loves_Monuments. I just created it for the
>> India community. I think to sign up you might need to be a member. You can
>> always get more info on the mailing list while we try and fix this. Do
>> tell
>> us which city you belong to and we can connect you to active ppl there :)
>> Warmly
>> Noopur
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Mitra sharma
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> I'm kinda new to the Wiki community, so correct me if my suggestions are
>>> out of the way. The Wiki loves monuments sounds really interesting...can
>>> we
>>> spread the word via social media for us newbies?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2011 23:01, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
>>> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Prad, Noopur, I'm with you on this one. I think what we need to do is,
 create a category on the Commons, customise the Upload Wizard if
 needed, set up a committee to check for copyright violations, create a
 page on Meta, translate it into every language, get your cameras,
 phones ready, stock up on film rolls and Memory Cards, batteries, etc.
 See, it's that simple. Let's not wait for Chapter or Foundation, and
 start NOW!

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] What's in it for me?

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Wow Nitika, thank you for talking out time to write such a  detailed
reply to this thread. I agree completely, we learn, we enjoy. It is
indeed magical. There are perfect examples as part of this mailing
list itself. The only problem, however is getting across this thought
to newcomers. : )

On 12/18/11, Nitika  wrote:
> Hi Srikanth & everyone else,
>
> This is a really good question and one that I've been thinking about and
> working on as we look at outreach in general.
>
> From my discussions with various editors and my observing and participating
> in outreach sessions, I think the biggest challenge when we do outreach is
> "why to contribute".  Of course, "how to edit" is essential - but unless
> someone believes there is a strong enough reason to participate, it's
> unlikely they're going to get involved or stay involved after a couple of
> exploratory edits.  From my conversations and readings, the motivators of
> existing editors are any or a combination (or variants) of "promoting free
> knowledge" or "sharing knowledge in general" or "improving education" or
> "passion for their languages" or "interest in a particular subject (e.g.
> astronomy or railways or butterflies.)  However, my opinion is that it is
> relatively complex to convey these in an initial outreach session.  It's
> best to motivate and train and support potential newbies to join the
> movement and community - and allow them to discover for themselves what is
> the inspiration for them (especially because it is likely to be unique to
> that individual.)
>
> Personally, i think there are a number of really compelling answers to the
> "What's in it for me?" question - and I do want to share my take on it.  I'm
> dividing my answer into students and faculty/institutions.  (The tone I'm
> using is what can be used when actually answering the question.)  These
> answers are a little clinical and conceptual but I've found they work - and
> I believe they will provide an adequate incentive to try and learn a little
> bit more about editing and to hopefully become regular editors.
>
> Academia - Students
>
> It improves your writing skills.  Writing skills are essential when you move
> ahead in life either to do further studies or to work.  Our education system
> (unfortunately) doesn't adequately teach writing skills and we all struggle
> when we have to write a formal report or research paper.  When you move into
> the working world, you'll find that you can be as good as you are at your
> work but unless you are able to write those written reports properly, you'll
> always find it hard to succeed.
> It will help your critical thinking.  Concepts like Neutral Point of View
> (which you will sometimes see in Wikipedia being referred to as NPOV) help
> you see all sides of a story.  In your future careers, you need to consider
> the pros and cons of anything - because only that way will you be a better
> professional.  If you're into software, look at the article on waterfall
> development model and how it looks at pros and cons.  If you're in
> economics, look at the article on the Euro bailout and see how it looks at
> all the multiple complex issues involved.  Very little in life is purely
> good or totally evil; we need to be neutral and consider all sides.  You
> will find this incredibly useful in both your personal and professional
> lives. This thinking will help you decide who to vote for in elections or
> which version of Lok Pal you support or  which IPL team to follow!  This
> thinking will help you understand your subjects even better.
> It'll strengthen your research skills.  Editing a wikipedia article requires
> you to do a lot of referencing (or what wikipedia sometimes calls
> "citations".)  This means you need to look beyond just the wikipedia article
> and research online references and also go into that forgotten room called
> the library and look up books or journal.  This is a skill you cannot live
> without if you are writing a thesis or working on a research project.
> It teaches you how to collaborate!   Editing wikipedia is magical.  You add
> some content and someone from some other part of the class or school or town
> or country or somewhere else in the world adds a little bit more and makes
> your contribution that much better.  The days of sitting alone under a tree
> and having an apple fall on your head and discovering gravity are over.  In
> today's world, we will need to collaborate to achieve anything.  If you're
> into biotechnology, you might be based in Hyderabad but the team you are
> part of might have someone in Scotland or Brazil- from a different culture
> and with a different accent - but you need to work together.  Wikipedia
> helps you learn how to collaborate!
> It gives you a global audience of - literally, thousands!  If you submit a
> class report, the maximum audience is 2; 1 being you and 1 being your
> teacher.  After your paper is marked, it will normally be thrown away.  If
> you ed

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic has arrived! -- on devices !!

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

As I understand, many vendors do support Indic languages (at least one
of them like Hindi/Tamil). What we require is to find out the right
device that supports Indic and suits our needs.

My 2.5 year old dual SIM phone from FLY has Hindi support. Can show
all the menus in Hindi, can send/receive SMS in Hindi.

My earlier Nokia phone (purchased about 6 years back) also had Hindi support.

Some of the low cost printers-inkjet, laser ones also have Indic
language support in their software as well as manuals.

Regards
-Sudhanwa

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> It was a almost a unimaginable surprise when I heard a Samsung camera has a
> Tamil interface! See pic[1]. It is important milestone when Indic is
> starting to reach beyond computers, mobiles. While this also reinforces the
> Indic growth theory(not just wikimedia in non-profit space, even for
> business in for-profit space), it also means more work for those who are
> working on Indic space (translation, content creation,technology). Their
> work will directly or indirectly reach more people outside wikimedia
> projects. Projects like wiktionary will be source for many languages which
> might not have any other largest source of vocabulary elsewhere. I would not
> be surprised if in future translations for real world things are done openly
> through projects like translatewiki :)
>
> [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tamil_interface_camera-suya_prakash-salem_Wiki_DEC2011-Tamil_Nadu626.JPG
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] What's in it for me?

[Arjuna Rao Chavala]

Hi Nitika,

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Nitika  wrote:

> Hi Srikanth & everyone else,
> --cut--
>  i think there are a number of really compelling answers to the "What's in
> it for me?" question - and I do want to share my take on it.
>

Thanks for sharing your thoughts in a nice and comprehensive way, which I
am sure will be useful to  all our community involved in outreach
activities.

I feel that sharing of the  experiences of  experienced Wikipedians
involved in the outreach events  will be much more effective in
communicating the message. I use the nicely produced Wikipedia promotion
videosapart
from sharing  my own experiences in the events that I participate.

Cheers
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mediawiki-uploader

[Arjuna Rao Chavala]

Hi,

On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Shrinivasan T wrote:

> hi arjuna,
>
> thanks for the wishes.
>
> I am also very new to wikipedia.
> please give some more details on categories.
>
Please see Wiki Conference India  as a sample category
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:WikiConference_India_2011

The listing  sees around 537 out of which I came to know around 300 or so
were contributed by User:RameshNG. I am sure the contributor would have
spent a lot of time adding categories to all such images.

> shall we give any text as category or some pre defined text are there to
> pick up from?
>
> use gthumb to add some meta data.
> we can parse it and use them as categories.
>
Yes, Looks like a good idea.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] What's in it for me?

[Ashwin Baindur]

Nitika, the plus points you gave are really well thought out &
well-expressed. Wikipedians can use these in outreach. Great work, keep it
up!

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
--


On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Arjuna Rao Chavala wrote:

> Hi Nitika,
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Nitika  wrote:
>
>> Hi Srikanth & everyone else,
>> --cut--
>>
>>  i think there are a number of really compelling answers to the "What's
>> in it for me?" question - and I do want to share my take on it.
>>
>
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts in a nice and comprehensive way, which I
> am sure will be useful to  all our community involved in outreach
> activities.
>
> I feel that sharing of the  experiences of  experienced Wikipedians
> involved in the outreach events  will be much more effective in
> communicating the message. I use the nicely produced Wikipedia promotion
> videosapart
>  from sharing  my own experiences in the events that I participate.
>
> Cheers
> Arjuna Rao Chavala
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] What's in it for me?

[Nitika]

On 19-Dec-2011, at 4:05 PM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:

> Nitika, the plus points you gave are really well thought out & 
> well-expressed. Wikipedians can use these in outreach. Great work, keep it up!

Stay tuned to this channel.  I'm working on something that i'd love to have 
your (and everyone else's) help and inputs on.

Thanks
Nitika


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[Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Ravishankar]

Hi,

Today, I went to download WordPress and it told me it is also available in
Tamil. Very neatly done as it somehow detected that I am from Tamilnadu.

See the screenshot at: http://ravidreams.com/ta-wordpress.png

A similar announcement in English Wiki projects is sure to double or triple
traffic to Indic Wiki projects.

We have been requesting this feature for years.

Curious when it will be implemented.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic has arrived! -- on devices !!

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

True that. While Hindi and Tamil have always been at an advantage due
to them being the first two Indic languages to be embraced by the tech
industry, AFAIK, the sms typed on these phones don't conform to
Unicode standards. Atleast not on Nokia models.

On 12/19/11, Sudhanwa Jogalekar  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As I understand, many vendors do support Indic languages (at least one
> of them like Hindi/Tamil). What we require is to find out the right
> device that supports Indic and suits our needs.
>
> My 2.5 year old dual SIM phone from FLY has Hindi support. Can show
> all the menus in Hindi, can send/receive SMS in Hindi.
>
> My earlier Nokia phone (purchased about 6 years back) also had Hindi
> support.
>
> Some of the low cost printers-inkjet, laser ones also have Indic
> language support in their software as well as manuals.
>
> Regards
> -Sudhanwa
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan 
> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> It was a almost a unimaginable surprise when I heard a Samsung camera has
>> a
>> Tamil interface! See pic[1]. It is important milestone when Indic is
>> starting to reach beyond computers, mobiles. While this also reinforces
>> the
>> Indic growth theory(not just wikimedia in non-profit space, even for
>> business in for-profit space), it also means more work for those who are
>> working on Indic space (translation, content creation,technology). Their
>> work will directly or indirectly reach more people outside wikimedia
>> projects. Projects like wiktionary will be source for many languages which
>> might not have any other largest source of vocabulary elsewhere. I would
>> not
>> be surprised if in future translations for real world things are done
>> openly
>> through projects like translatewiki :)
>>
>> [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tamil_interface_camera-suya_prakash-salem_Wiki_DEC2011-Tamil_Nadu626.JPG
>>
>> --
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Subhashish Panigrahi]

I think localization is done only for Tamil as of now, for me also it's
showing Tamil :)
But expecting it'd be available in other Indic languages as well.

Best
Subha

On 19 December 2011 17:24, Ravishankar  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Today, I went to download WordPress and it told me it is also available in
> Tamil. Very neatly done as it somehow detected that I am from Tamilnadu.
>
> See the screenshot at: http://ravidreams.com/ta-wordpress.png
>
> A similar announcement in English Wiki projects is sure to double or
> triple traffic to Indic Wiki projects.
>
> We have been requesting this feature for years.
>
> Curious when it will be implemented.
>
> Ravi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mediawiki-uploader

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Agreed. This tool is definitely an asset. I hope somebody has
forwarded this to the Commons mailing list as well as the Tech and
Foundation lists to show the dedication that Shrini has shown here.

On 12/19/11, Arjuna Rao Chavala  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Shrinivasan T
> wrote:
>
>> hi arjuna,
>>
>> thanks for the wishes.
>>
>> I am also very new to wikipedia.
>> please give some more details on categories.
>>
> Please see Wiki Conference India  as a sample category
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:WikiConference_India_2011
>
> The listing  sees around 537 out of which I came to know around 300 or so
> were contributed by User:RameshNG. I am sure the contributor would have
> spent a lot of time adding categories to all such images.
>
>> shall we give any text as category or some pre defined text are there to
>> pick up from?
>>
>> use gthumb to add some meta data.
>> we can parse it and use them as categories.
>>
> Yes, Looks like a good idea.
>
> Cheers
> Arjuna Rao Chavala
>


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] What's in it for me?

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Nitika, while you're at it, also try and look into what may get us
more women editors. I have a bunch of reasons and ideas which may
someday, come out.

On 12/19/11, Nitika  wrote:
>
> On 19-Dec-2011, at 4:05 PM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:
>
>> Nitika, the plus points you gave are really well thought out &
>> well-expressed. Wikipedians can use these in outreach. Great work, keep it
>> up!
>
> Stay tuned to this channel.  I'm working on something that i'd love to have
> your (and everyone else's) help and inputs on.
>
> Thanks
> Nitika
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 17:24, Ravishankar  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Today, I went to download WordPress and it told me it is also available in
> Tamil. Very neatly done as it somehow detected that I am from Tamilnadu.
>

Geolocation within India is impossible. My guess is it used your browser's
accepted language and did it. Extension:Translate already has a similar
code like that.


> See the screenshot at: http://ravidreams.com/ta-wordpress.png
>
> A similar announcement in English Wiki projects is sure to double or
> triple traffic to Indic Wiki projects.
>
> We have been requesting this feature for years.  Curious when it will be
> implemented.


It was briefly(week or two) done in 2011 Jan (infact some nice graphic
banners) post fundraising along with Thank you banners. We have 10 months
(non-fundraiser ones) and we can display this banner all along, but
question would it help and is it non-controversial?, who are the ones who
could decide on such a high impact sitenotice based on geolocation, this
list?, meta admins?, English wikipedians of India? Though there is nothing
wrong with intent, keeping banners for long needs some consensus.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

A good idea no doubt, but I think the detecting which state the user
comes from part is a small road block. While Google Mail has been
showing which state the IP is from in the logins section, I think the
browser or system language should also be taken into consideration,
though it may seem obvious at first that a person who is using his or
her computer in their own language would know Wikipedia exists in that
language.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[CherianTinu Abraham]

On a slightly related note
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector

-TC

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Ravishankar  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Today, I went to download WordPress and it told me it is also available in
> Tamil. Very neatly done as it somehow detected that I am from Tamilnadu.
>
> See the screenshot at: http://ravidreams.com/ta-wordpress.png
>
> A similar announcement in English Wiki projects is sure to double or
> triple traffic to Indic Wiki projects.
>
> We have been requesting this feature for years.
>
> Curious when it will be implemented.
>
> Ravi
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Ravishankar]

Subha,

If you check WordPress.com it shows all available Indic languages.

If you check WordPress.org, I think it is showing only Tamil (may be
because as you said it is the only translation available and that too for
Srilankan Tamil : )

But the point is: Even if you show all available Indic languages without
resolving to the level of state and language, it is still good.

//non-controversial?, who are the ones who could decide on such a high
impact sitenotice based on geolocation, this list?, meta admins?, English
wikipedians of India? Though there is nothing wrong with intent, keeping
banners for long needs some consensus.//

Sites like http://www.google.co.in/ highlight the available languages and
it makes perfect sense for usability. If keeping a site notice for ever in
all pages is a problem, do it only for the pages where there is an Indian
language version is available and show only the links for the languages
where a corresponding page exists.

Ravi
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[Nitika]

Hi Folks,
There were no laptops for the participants or the internet connection was weak 
- so I could only give a lecture on wikipedia but could not give hands-on 
training
I conducted sessions but I really don't know if anything productive came out of 
it since I'm not confident that anyone of the participants will actually start 
editing.  My time is limited and I really want to figure out how to make the 
best use of it.
I keep reading that outreach sessions should be done in a fun manner - but I 
just don't know how to handle such a serious topic like Wikipedia in a fun 
manner.
I could not get more than 7 people to create user accounts because of the 7 per 
day limit for creating user logins from an single IP address - so the rest of 
the participants were not able to be more actively involved in the session.
I want to help out on outreach because I love doing it - but I'm relatively new 
to Wikipedia and not sure if I can convey the right messages.
I prepared standard presentations introducing Wikipedia and the basics of 
editing - but I wish I had structured material available on the difference 
between paraphrasing, close paraphrasing and plagiarism/copyvio.
I asked the participants to write down their names and email IDs so that I 
could stay in touch with them after the session - but could not read the 
handwriting of a couple of them.
I really want to do outreach - but I am not confident of my public speaking 
skills.  I really wish I could help out but not sure how.
I got irritated preparing the presentations because I am sure many others would 
have already prepared these and it seem like a waste of time.
It would have been really good if I have left handouts for each participants so 
they could read and refer to them at leisure.

For all those who have conducted (or thought about) outreach sessions, do these 
sound familiar?  I've been talking to a whole host of community members and 
participating in outreach session and I wanted to share some thoughts with you 
and to ask your help and advice.  I'm a new mail thread on this because I am 
trying to combine some fantastic points from a series of recent, related (and 
somewhat related) threads

http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005815.html 
(Srikanth R's thread on "What's in it for me")
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005657.html 
(Pradeep's thread on improving infrastructure)
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005453.html 
(Arnav S' thread on help for outreach in Gujarat)
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005632.html 
(Noopur's post on GLAM - and specfically the point that GLAM and outreach 
should inter-linked.)

Most of us believe that we need to attract more newbies to our projects to help 
our Indic projects grow and to improve Indian content on English Wikipedia.  I 
also think that many would agree that not enough outreach is happening and that 
results from the outreach that is happening can be improved.  I suspect that a 
lot more people might be interested in doing outreach but are often not sure 
how to do it. I think that we need to figure out what are all the various 
things we can do to make sure that every minute spent by volunteers on outreach 
is as productive as possible.   

I would like to propose that I start working on these aspects.  My current 
(very initial) thinking is as follows:
Speak to as many more community members as possible who have conducted outreach 
sessions, plan to conduct them or even attended session and learn from them 
their experiences on outreach.  Document and share tips and best practices to 
the entire community.
Create a repository for all presentations as well as handouts, FAQs pages, etc. 
 (prepared in English to begin with, but later translated to Indic languages).  
These presentations must be in distinct module so that there could be a 
standard basic introduction section, editing basics and then separate sections 
for specific sub-topics such as NPOV, referencing, WP:MOS, etc.  These could be 
accessed at will by any community member and used / edited / adapted at will by 
them.  I realise there might be some duplication because a lot of this exists 
in various places - but it will be useful to have them all together in one 
place.
Identify what kind of audience is most receptive to outreach by volunteers - 
and try and help organise more outreach sessions for these.  To illustrate, are 
there interest groups that might hold particular potential like college 
festival or an ornithology society or a language club.  Also, do a lot of 
hands-on outreach in areas where the current volunteer community is 
particularly small, such as in Delhi.
Work closely with community groups (like we did for Pune's recently concluded 
CDMA expo or I am working with the West Bengal community on the upcoming 
Kolkata Book Fair) to help in the planning and organising and cond

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

A small extension of my previous post.
Logic, geolocation within India is very much possible. Atleast I know
Google can do it. The only hitch is that it doesn't work well with
Wireless connections.
For instance, I frequently use a Reliance Wireless modem, which is
registered in K'taka but even in Bangalore, Coimbatore, Pune, Hubli it
says it's a TN based IP. Ditto for Tata Docomo.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] What's in it for me?

[Nitika]

On 19-Dec-2011, at 5:35 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:

> Nitika, while you're at it, also try and look into what may get us
> more women editors. I have a bunch of reasons and ideas which may
> someday, come out.

Sure Srikanth! I'd love to get more women editors onboard. And I'd love to hear 
your ideas.  Let's discuss this offline - I'll write to you separately on this 
one. 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Ravishankar]

Hi All,

Every time this idea is discussed, the technical issue of state / city
level resolution and filtering of language issue comes and the discussions
stalls.

*State / city level resolution is not necessary and need not be an excuse
for not implementing this feature.*

If we find this feature will be worthy, let us test it and find the
procedure for it.

*This is one area where the Wikimedia tech team can be BOLD and implement
it without worrying about or waiting for community approval procedure.*

Ravi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Ravishankar]

A single line like "Wikipedia is also available in Bengali, Hind,
Malayalam, Telugu, Tamil  at the top and to the left of "Login/create
account link" will be fine. The line can be as what you see in
http://www.google.co.in/ . If we feel showing too many languages is
clutter, show random and limited number of links for Indic languages.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Ravi, I agree. The rotation system, if implemented works best. However
do note, this is best suited for the desktop version only, not
Mobiles. I'd like to point out that - People who use Opera Mini on
their mobiles, get routed thru a European server while all BlackBerry
users get routed thru a server in London, Hungary or Canada.

On 12/19/11, Ravishankar  wrote:
> A single line like "Wikipedia is also available in Bengali, Hind,
> Malayalam, Telugu, Tamil  at the top and to the left of "Login/create
> account link" will be fine. The line can be as what you see in
> http://www.google.co.in/ . If we feel showing too many languages is
> clutter, show random and limited number of links for Indic languages.
>


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Surya Prakash]

I think Sundar has suggested something like this before in this list. :)


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On 19 December 2011 18:04, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
wrote:

> Ravi, I agree. The rotation system, if implemented works best. However
> do note, this is best suited for the desktop version only, not
> Mobiles. I'd like to point out that - People who use Opera Mini on
> their mobiles, get routed thru a European server while all BlackBerry
> users get routed thru a server in London, Hungary or Canada.
>
> On 12/19/11, Ravishankar  wrote:
> > A single line like "Wikipedia is also available in Bengali, Hind,
> > Malayalam, Telugu, Tamil  at the top and to the left of "Login/create
> > account link" will be fine. The line can be as what you see in
> > http://www.google.co.in/ . If we feel showing too many languages is
> > clutter, show random and limited number of links for Indic languages.
> >
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Nitika, thanks for starting a new thread. I'd like to make a single
point first about this matter. Do think about it. No matter how
excellet facilities are provided, how yuai enthusiasm is shown,
physical outreach programs actually have very little or zero impact on
getting new people on board. This is an observation that I have made,
as well as a few others have made.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[Subhashish Panigrahi]

Quite a descriptive note Nitika, and I would also request everyone to put
their suggestions for improvements.modifications at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Outreach_Program_Handbook&action=edit&redlink=1

So, it would be more comprehensive and useful.

Best
Subha

On 19 December 2011 17:45, Nitika  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
>- *There were no laptops for the participants or the internet
>connection was weak - so I could only give a lecture on wikipedia but could
>not give hands-on training*
>- *I conducted sessions but I really don't know if anything productive
>came out of it since I'm not confident that anyone of the participants will
>actually start editing.  My time is limited and I really want to figure out
>how to make the best use of it.*
>- *I keep reading that outreach sessions should be done in a fun
>manner - but I just don't know how to handle such a serious topic like
>Wikipedia in a fun manner.*
>- *I could not get more than 7 people to create user accounts because
>of the 7 per day limit for creating user logins from an single IP address -
>so the rest of the participants were not able to be more actively involved
>in the session.*
>- *I want to help out on outreach because I love doing it - but I'm
>relatively new to Wikipedia and not sure if I can convey the right 
> messages.
>*
>- *I prepared standard presentations introducing Wikipedia and the
>basics of editing - but I wish I had structured material available on the
>difference between paraphrasing, close paraphrasing and plagiarism/copyvio.
>*
>- *I asked the participants to write down their names and email IDs so
>that I could stay in touch with them after the session - but could not read
>the handwriting of a couple of them.*
>- *I really want to do outreach - but I am not confident of my public
>speaking skills.  I really wish I could help out but not sure how.*
>- *I got irritated preparing the presentations because I am sure many
>others would have already prepared these and it seem like a waste of time.
>*
>- *It would have been really good if I have left handouts for each
>participants so they could read and refer to them at leisure.*
>
>
> For all those who have conducted (or thought about) outreach sessions, do
> these sound familiar?  I've been talking to a whole host of community
> members and participating in outreach session and I wanted to share some
> thoughts with you and to ask your help and advice.  I'm a new mail thread
> on this because I am trying to combine some fantastic points from a series
> of recent, related (and somewhat related) threads
>
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005815.html(Srikanth
>  R's thread on "What's in it for me")
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005657.html(Pradeep's
>  thread on improving infrastructure)
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005453.html(Arnav
>  S' thread on help for outreach in Gujarat)
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005632.html(Noopur's
>  post on GLAM - and specfically the point that GLAM and outreach
> should inter-linked.)
>
> *Most of us believe that we need to attract more newbies to our projects
> to help our Indic projects grow and to improve Indian content on English
> Wikipedia.  I also think that many would agree that not enough outreach is
> happening and that results from the outreach that is happening can be
> improved.  I suspect that a lot more people might be interested in doing
> outreach but are often not sure how to do it. I think that we need to
> figure out what are all the various things we can do to make sure that
> every minute spent by volunteers on outreach is as productive as
> possible.   *
>
> I would like to propose that I start working on these aspects.  My current
> (very initial) thinking is as follows:
>
>1. Speak to as many more community members as possible who have
>conducted outreach sessions, plan to conduct them or even attended session
>and learn from them their experiences on outreach.  Document and share tips
>and best practices to the entire community.
>2. Create a repository for all presentations as well as handouts, FAQs
>pages, etc.  (prepared in English to begin with, but later translated to
>Indic languages).  These presentations must be in distinct module so that
>there could be a standard basic introduction section, editing basics and
>then separate sections for specific sub-topics such as NPOV, referencing,
>WP:MOS, etc.  These could be accessed at will by any community member and
>used / edited / adapted at will by them.  I realise there might be some
>duplication because a lot of this exists in various places - but it will be
>useful to have 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Ravishankar]

Srikanth,

Even if only x% (or say people who wear white shirt on Monday evenings) are
going to see this notice, it is still useful and not going to hurt the
project in anyway.

Unless the community stands united and requests this feature, it will not
happen any sooner.

So, let us not loose steam on discussing the technical hurdles up front.

ravi



On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ravi, I agree. The rotation system, if implemented works best. However
> do note, this is best suited for the desktop version only, not
> Mobiles. I'd like to point out that - People who use Opera Mini on
> their mobiles, get routed thru a European server while all BlackBerry
> users get routed thru a server in London, Hungary or Canada.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 18:12, Ravishankar  wrote:

> Srikanth,
>

{{Disambiguation needed}},Not just here, in many threads going forward,
especially atleast 2 Srikanth's are active on the list :D


> So, let us not loose steam on discussing the technical hurdles up front.
>

I guess Universal Language Selector is surely on the cards and will solve
the problem in totality, no harm in having one liner you mentioned till
then.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Theo10011]

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Ravishankar  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Today, I went to download WordPress and it told me it is also available in
> Tamil. Very neatly done as it somehow detected that I am from Tamilnadu.
>
> See the screenshot at: http://ravidreams.com/ta-wordpress.png
>
> A similar announcement in English Wiki projects is sure to double or
> triple traffic to Indic Wiki projects.
>
> We have been requesting this feature for years.
>
> Curious when it will be implemented.
>
> Ravi
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I tried that. twice.

Back in 2010, we had banners pointing to Indic wikis, with messages like,
there is a wiki in your language you can edit. Then it lead to landing
pages with lists of indic language wikis.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010/IN/Welcome

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_language_projects

This banner ran for close to 2 months in late 2010 and early 2011. I think
WMF staff might have tried it again during the year.

Conclusion, it did not make a dent. Most people dismissed the banners, and
never clicked, those that did, never followed to edit. It made little to no
difference in the visitor or editor stats for the period.

Regards
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Theo10011]

Also, we already have that in the left side of every page, the sidebar on
every article lists the version of that article available in different
languages.

Regards
Theo

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Theo10011  wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Ravishankar  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Today, I went to download WordPress and it told me it is also available
>> in Tamil. Very neatly done as it somehow detected that I am from Tamilnadu.
>>
>> See the screenshot at: http://ravidreams.com/ta-wordpress.png
>>
>> A similar announcement in English Wiki projects is sure to double or
>> triple traffic to Indic Wiki projects.
>>
>> We have been requesting this feature for years.
>>
>> Curious when it will be implemented.
>>
>> Ravi
>>
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> I tried that. twice.
>
> Back in 2010, we had banners pointing to Indic wikis, with messages like,
> there is a wiki in your language you can edit. Then it lead to landing
> pages with lists of indic language wikis.
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010/IN/Welcome
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_language_projects
>
> This banner ran for close to 2 months in late 2010 and early 2011. I think
> WMF staff might have tried it again during the year.
>
> Conclusion, it did not make a dent. Most people dismissed the banners, and
> never clicked, those that did, never followed to edit. It made little to no
> difference in the visitor or editor stats for the period.
>
> Regards
> Theo
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

[Mitra sharma]

thanks! :)

On 19 December 2011 15:21, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
wrote:

> Mitra,
> The simplest way to get started on the Wikipedia is to click on the
> Edit button. For photographs, head to http://commons.Wikimedia.org and
> click on Upload file on the left. Make sure you're logged in first
> though.
> Happy Editing, :-)
>
> On 12/18/11, Mitra sharma  wrote:
> > Hi Noopur,
> >
> > Thanks for warm welcome! :) :) I'm based out of Delhi and know a few
> people
> > who would love to contribute for Gujurat and Mumbai.
> >
> > I  already am a member, how do I go about it post that?
> >
> > Best,
> > Mitra
> >
> > On 18 December 2011 23:58, Noopur  wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Mitra and others,
> >> Welcome  Mitra :) Here is a link to a start page:
> >> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Loves_Monuments. I just created it for
> the
> >> India community. I think to sign up you might need to be a member. You
> can
> >> always get more info on the mailing list while we try and fix this. Do
> >> tell
> >> us which city you belong to and we can connect you to active ppl there
> :)
> >> Warmly
> >> Noopur
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Mitra sharma
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey guys,
> >>>
> >>> I'm kinda new to the Wiki community, so correct me if my suggestions
> are
> >>> out of the way. The Wiki loves monuments sounds really
> interesting...can
> >>> we
> >>> spread the word via social media for us newbies?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 18 December 2011 23:01, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> >>> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Prad, Noopur, I'm with you on this one. I think what we need to do is,
>  create a category on the Commons, customise the Upload Wizard if
>  needed, set up a committee to check for copyright violations, create a
>  page on Meta, translate it into every language, get your cameras,
>  phones ready, stock up on film rolls and Memory Cards, batteries, etc.
>  See, it's that simple. Let's not wait for Chapter or Foundation, and
>  start NOW!
> 
>  --
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>  Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Theo, last time I checked, Indic languages are no longer listed in the
side of the English Main Page. A limited number of languages is there
with a link to More Languages.

On 12/19/11, Theo10011  wrote:
> Also, we already have that in the left side of every page, the sidebar on
> every article lists the version of that article available in different
> languages.
>
> Regards
> Theo
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Theo10011  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Ravishankar  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Today, I went to download WordPress and it told me it is also available
>>> in Tamil. Very neatly done as it somehow detected that I am from
>>> Tamilnadu.
>>>
>>> See the screenshot at: http://ravidreams.com/ta-wordpress.png
>>>
>>> A similar announcement in English Wiki projects is sure to double or
>>> triple traffic to Indic Wiki projects.
>>>
>>> We have been requesting this feature for years.
>>>
>>> Curious when it will be implemented.
>>>
>>> Ravi
>>>
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>>>
>> I tried that. twice.
>>
>> Back in 2010, we had banners pointing to Indic wikis, with messages like,
>> there is a wiki in your language you can edit. Then it lead to landing
>> pages with lists of indic language wikis.
>>
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010/IN/Welcome
>>
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_language_projects
>>
>> This banner ran for close to 2 months in late 2010 and early 2011. I think
>> WMF staff might have tried it again during the year.
>>
>> Conclusion, it did not make a dent. Most people dismissed the banners, and
>> never clicked, those that did, never followed to edit. It made little to
>> no
>> difference in the visitor or editor stats for the period.
>>
>> Regards
>> Theo
>>
>>
>


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Theo10011]

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Theo, last time I checked, Indic languages are no longer listed in the
> side of the English Main Page. A limited number of languages is there
> with a link to More Languages.


They are, it's just that Indic languages usually have so fewer articles
with different titles that they don't get listed.

See the article for India-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India

The listed languages on the side include almost all indic languages. There
are two issues why they are so few links to Indic language versions, one is
there is just a huge shortage of relevant articles, comparing
an encyclopedia with 3.8 million articles to most indic languages versions
which are ~100k or less is going to lead to a majority of times with no
relevant cross-links. The second and the lesser reason is titles themselves
are in Indic languages, so if a bot doesn't tag them right they don't get
picked up.

Regards
Theo
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] What's in it for me?

[Ashwin Baindur]

No, no offline. Please switch to Wikipedia-in-en if you must but not
offline. Its too important a debate to waste offline.

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Nitika  wrote:

>
> On 19-Dec-2011, at 5:35 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:
>
> > Nitika, while you're at it, also try and look into what may get us
> > more women editors. I have a bunch of reasons and ideas which may
> > someday, come out.
>
> Sure Srikanth! I'd love to get more women editors onboard. And I'd love to
> hear your ideas.  Let's discuss this offline - I'll write to you separately
> on this one.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Ravishankar]

>
> Conclusion, it did not make a dent. Most people dismissed the banners, and
> never clicked, those that did, never followed to edit. It made little to no
> difference in the visitor or editor stats for the period.
>

Theo,

Clearly, links in sidebars are not getting enough eyeballs. It is also hard
to look for one's own language when there are too many interwiki links.
Unless you are intentionally looking for it, it is hard to notice.

What I am suggesting is a country specific clear navigational aid which is
a best practice that all major websites follow (WordPress, Google, Facebook
all show Indic language version links if I access from India.

It will be interesting to analyze why the banners did not work. If we are
inviting people to contribute, only people who would like to contribute may
check. The behavior may be different when we try different messages. Also,
I am not looking to convert people to editors. Merely getting more readers
and increasing awareness about the existence of local language versions is
a great win.

Ravi
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Event on online free speech on Wednesday

[Gautam John]

This might be of interest to those of you in Bangalore.

Thank you.

Best,

Gautam

http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html


-- Forwarded message --
From: Anja Kovacs
Date: Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:19 PM
Subject: Event on online free speech on Wednesday
To: Gautam John


Free Speech Online in India under Attack? A Panel Discussion

When Minister of Communications and IT Kapil Sibal suggested
pre-censorship for a range of popular online platforms and social
networking sites, this suggestion was soon met by a barrage of
criticism, which soon forced him to back down. Yet Sibal’s suggestion
is not the only threat to free speech on the Internet in India today:
legislation such as the Intermediary Due Diligence Rules and Cyber
Café Rules (also jointly known as the IT Rules) issued in April 2011
is equally dangerous for free speech online.

In this event, Achal Prabhala, Anja Kovacs and Lawrence Liang will
join moderator Sunil Abraham to discuss in more detail some of the
most direct threats to freedom of expression online that exist in
India today; the larger legal and social context of freedom of
expression and censorship, control and resistance in which they have
to be understood; and the steps that can be taken to ensure that
substantive protections for freedom of expression online will be put
into place.

Join us at the Centre for Internet and Society in Bangalore, on
Wednesday 21 December, at 5.30 pm.

Address: No. 194, Second 'C' Cross, Domlur 2nd Stage, Bangalore – 560071

Phone: +91 80 4092 6283

About the speakers:

Achal Prabhala is a researcher and writer from Bangalore who works on
access to knowledge and access to medicine.

Anja Kovacs works with the Internet Democracy Project, which engages
in research and advocacy on the promises and challenges that the
Internet poses for democracy and social justice in the developing
world.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Theo10011]

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Ravishankar  wrote:

> Theo,
>
> Clearly, links in sidebars are not getting enough eyeballs. It is also
> hard to look for one's own language when there are too many interwiki
> links. Unless you are intentionally looking for it, it is hard to notice.
>

The placement of the inter-wiki language links was more of a usability
decision. WMF undertook the usability initiative a couple of years ago, and
decided to place it there in the current skins.


>
> What I am suggesting is a country specific clear navigational aid which is
> a best practice that all major websites follow (WordPress, Google, Facebook
> all show Indic language version links if I access from India.


And I'm saying, that is similar to what we tried. We had a banner informing
only Indian editors, both logged-in and anon, that there is a version of
Wikipedia in their own language.


>
> It will be interesting to analyze why the banners did not work. If we are
> inviting people to contribute, only people who would like to contribute may
> check. The behavior may be different when we try different messages. Also,
> I am not looking to convert people to editors. Merely getting more readers
> and increasing awareness about the existence of local language versions is
> a great win.
>

At the time, my intention wasn't as much as getting editors but raising
awareness of the Indic Wikis. We didn't have analytics on during the last
tests, but I suppose click-through rates and other information could be
utilized for an analysis.

My point was, we tried it for months, it did not make any measurable
impact. The approach was very similar to what you are proposing, I believe
someone even suggested that exact proposal during that time. I asked around
and maybe there was some technical solution to making an en.wp sitenotice
geolocated to india that would pull the same info as the language side-bar
but place it on top. It doesn't seem technically hard to pull off.

Anyway, I suppose I can throw something together for a banner or test but I
am not inclined towards trying it now, we just concluded the
Wikiconference, and banners for India ran non-stop for over 3 months, which
lead into the fundraiser banners lasting the last couple of months followed
by the research study and editor trends. It is time to give central notices
for India some rest, it needs some gap unless we start loosing visibility
for banners in India, all together.

Regards
Theo
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Pre-announcement for Wikiwomen camp/conference in Argentina

[Noopur]

Dear all,
Just keeping you posted if you haven't seen the IRC log yet. A couple of
women Wikipedians from Australia and Argentina chapters have been planning
a Wikiwomen camp and conference in Argentina sometime in May, 2012. I know
it's far away and probably the official announcement will happen sometime
end of this month but I thought it's wise to keep you posted so that you
can keep your respective Indic language women editors in loop.
Those who might be interested in participating will have to apply for a WMF
participation grant I guess and they might want to join the discussion on
the other list to add Indian inputs. One part of the event (Camp)
encourages women's participation only while the other invites all to
contribute. Please do spread the word and encourage our Wikichix to
participate too :) Drop me a mail if you want to join that mailing list.
Warmly
Noopur

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] What's in it for me?

[ansuman]

Wow, Nice awesome responses. Thanks to all for detailed thoughts.

And Srikanth, I know this is not enough for you ;)  just keep up the good
work and have faith. Don't get confused.

Regards
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:

> No, no offline. Please switch to Wikipedia-in-en if you must but not
> offline. Its too important a debate to waste offline.
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
> --
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Nitika  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 19-Dec-2011, at 5:35 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:
>>
>> > Nitika, while you're at it, also try and look into what may get us
>> > more women editors. I have a bunch of reasons and ideas which may
>> > someday, come out.
>>
>> Sure Srikanth! I'd love to get more women editors onboard. And I'd love
>> to hear your ideas.  Let's discuss this offline - I'll write to you
>> separately on this one.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

[Noopur]

Throwing a few ideas since our participation tendency seems positive:

1) Can we start doing a few things in the background: compile lists of
monuments?  ASI already has the list for monuments of national importance,
State wise: http://asi.nic.in/asi_monu_alphalist.asp
2) Let's sign up/raise hands for people who can help figure out how-to
guides, do documentation and collect resources/materials so that it's easy
to implement this template event anywhere?
3) Just a suggestion: Can we have a GLAM India mailing list so that for now
we can keep all GLAM related, Monuments discussions on that? Keeps it
neater but this is just a suggestion.

As always, *me raises hand first*. I am looking around for more monument
lists while you guys figure out the organization bit. :)
Warmly
Noopur

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Mitra sharma  wrote:

> thanks! :)
>
>
> On 19 December 2011 15:21, Srikanth Ramakrishnan  > wrote:
>
>> Mitra,
>> The simplest way to get started on the Wikipedia is to click on the
>> Edit button. For photographs, head to http://commons.Wikimedia.org and
>> click on Upload file on the left. Make sure you're logged in first
>> though.
>> Happy Editing, :-)
>>
>> On 12/18/11, Mitra sharma  wrote:
>> > Hi Noopur,
>> >
>> > Thanks for warm welcome! :) :) I'm based out of Delhi and know a few
>> people
>> > who would love to contribute for Gujurat and Mumbai.
>> >
>> > I  already am a member, how do I go about it post that?
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Mitra
>> >
>> > On 18 December 2011 23:58, Noopur  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear Mitra and others,
>> >> Welcome  Mitra :) Here is a link to a start page:
>> >> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Loves_Monuments. I just created it for
>> the
>> >> India community. I think to sign up you might need to be a member. You
>> can
>> >> always get more info on the mailing list while we try and fix this. Do
>> >> tell
>> >> us which city you belong to and we can connect you to active ppl there
>> :)
>> >> Warmly
>> >> Noopur
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Mitra sharma
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hey guys,
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm kinda new to the Wiki community, so correct me if my suggestions
>> are
>> >>> out of the way. The Wiki loves monuments sounds really
>> interesting...can
>> >>> we
>> >>> spread the word via social media for us newbies?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 18 December 2011 23:01, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
>> >>> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>>  Prad, Noopur, I'm with you on this one. I think what we need to do
>> is,
>>  create a category on the Commons, customise the Upload Wizard if
>>  needed, set up a committee to check for copyright violations, create
>> a
>>  page on Meta, translate it into every language, get your cameras,
>>  phones ready, stock up on film rolls and Memory Cards, batteries,
>> etc.
>>  See, it's that simple. Let's not wait for Chapter or Foundation, and
>>  start NOW!
>> 
>>  --
>>  Regards,
>>  Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>>  Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
>>  http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fund raising banners

[CherianTinu Abraham]

2 more additions from India to the Fundraising banners.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2011#A_week_of_new_appeals_December_18.2C_2011


Akshaya Iyengar  http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/L11_1215_AI/en/US
Aniruddha Kumar  http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/L11_1216_AK/en/US

Meanwhile fundraising banners in India is down and hopefully will be up &
running very soon.

Regards
Tinu Cherian

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 4:06 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just in case, you had missed Dr. Sengai Podhuvan's Appeal to Fund raising
> this year.
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2011#Dr._Sengai_Podhuvan_Appeal_December_10.2C_2011
>
>
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/L11_1209_DS/en/US
>
> ( This appeal is shown only in US so far and may come to India users very
> soon).
>
> I was so privileged to have met him personally at the Chennai Wikimeetup2
> way back in Nov 2010.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Chennai/Chennai2
>
> Many others would have met him at Wikiconference Mumbai and he was also
> awarded "Special mentions from Jury" for NWR 2011
>
> Sengai Podhuvan contributes primarily to Tamil Wiki, with more than 9700
> edits ( 97% edits to Article main-space itself).
>
> http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name=Sengai+Podhuvan&lang=ta&wiki=wikipedia
>
>
> I was also told he has started over 800+ articles in ta.wiki ( somebody
> correct me if i am wrong).  ( http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pages/ isn't 
> working
> for me)
>
>
> Regards
> Tinu Cherian
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

[Pradeep Mohandas]

hi,

Since this is happening for the first time at the national level and the
international level, perhaps it would be nice to not do it at the state
level at all. Let all the photos come into a common pool and allow for
voting that would lead to these becoming India's entries for Wiki Loves
Monuments 2012. The above is how it happened in 2011 - with nations
selecting their best pics and then forwarding it. I am assuming that is how
it happens in 2012 at the international level as well.

Ideas are welcome on:
1. How to spread the word? The central Commons page is created -
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012_in_India?uselang=en-gb-
and word was spread through Facebook today. Word needs to be first
spread
for volunteers - later, for photographers to enter into the fray.
2. How do the volunteers organize themselves?
3. How do we simultaneously improve articles on the monuments, try to reach
out to local language communities of the state and encourage Wikipedian
contribution from there. Counterpoint: Do we need to do this
simultaneously?

warm regards,
Pradeep
User:Prad2609

On 19 December 2011 20:51, Noopur  wrote:

> Throwing a few ideas since our participation tendency seems positive:
>
> 1) Can we start doing a few things in the background: compile lists of
> monuments?  ASI already has the list for monuments of national importance,
> State wise: http://asi.nic.in/asi_monu_alphalist.asp
> 2) Let's sign up/raise hands for people who can help figure out how-to
> guides, do documentation and collect resources/materials so that it's easy
> to implement this template event anywhere?
> 3) Just a suggestion: Can we have a GLAM India mailing list so that for
> now we can keep all GLAM related, Monuments discussions on that? Keeps it
> neater but this is just a suggestion.
>
> As always, *me raises hand first*. I am looking around for more monument
> lists while you guys figure out the organization bit. :)
> Warmly
> Noopur
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Mitra sharma wrote:
>
>> thanks! :)
>>
>>
>> On 19 December 2011 15:21, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
>> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mitra,
>>> The simplest way to get started on the Wikipedia is to click on the
>>> Edit button. For photographs, head to http://commons.Wikimedia.org and
>>> click on Upload file on the left. Make sure you're logged in first
>>> though.
>>> Happy Editing, :-)
>>>
>>> On 12/18/11, Mitra sharma  wrote:
>>> > Hi Noopur,
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for warm welcome! :) :) I'm based out of Delhi and know a few
>>> people
>>> > who would love to contribute for Gujurat and Mumbai.
>>> >
>>> > I  already am a member, how do I go about it post that?
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > Mitra
>>> >
>>> > On 18 December 2011 23:58, Noopur  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Dear Mitra and others,
>>> >> Welcome  Mitra :) Here is a link to a start page:
>>> >> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Loves_Monuments. I just created it for
>>> the
>>> >> India community. I think to sign up you might need to be a member.
>>> You can
>>> >> always get more info on the mailing list while we try and fix this. Do
>>> >> tell
>>> >> us which city you belong to and we can connect you to active ppl
>>> there :)
>>> >> Warmly
>>> >> Noopur
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Mitra sharma
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hey guys,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm kinda new to the Wiki community, so correct me if my suggestions
>>> are
>>> >>> out of the way. The Wiki loves monuments sounds really
>>> interesting...can
>>> >>> we
>>> >>> spread the word via social media for us newbies?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 18 December 2011 23:01, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
>>> >>> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>>  Prad, Noopur, I'm with you on this one. I think what we need to do
>>> is,
>>>  create a category on the Commons, customise the Upload Wizard if
>>>  needed, set up a committee to check for copyright violations,
>>> create a
>>>  page on Meta, translate it into every language, get your cameras,
>>>  phones ready, stock up on film rolls and Memory Cards, batteries,
>>> etc.
>>>  See, it's that simple. Let's not wait for Chapter or Foundation, and
>>>  start NOW!
>>> 
>>>  --
>>>  Regards,
>>>  Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>>>  Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
>>>  http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
>>> 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mediawiki-uploader

[Ashwin Baindur]

Hi Shrinivasan,

Is there a Windows version? I didn't realise from your post that it was a
linux program.

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
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On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Shrinivasan T wrote:

> Friends.
>
> Tamil Wikipedia announced a Media Contest to increase the commons
> media files like photos, audio and video in the wikipedia world.
> see the announcement here.
> http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contest/en
>
> To upload the photos there are two ways available so far.
>
> 1. The web based upload wizard
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard
>
> 2. Java based upload tool - Commonist
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Tools/Commonist
>
> We have to provide a detailed filename and description to the images
> for uploading.
>
> When we have a bunch of photos to upload, we have to select them,
> crop, or edit them before uploading.
>
> Found that that "GThumb Image Viewer" can show the files, edit the
> files and add IPTC tags to the images.
>
> We can view,edit,delete,rotate,crop and add the required Description
> and Title to the images
> for uploading to wikimedia commons.
>
> How to upload the files?
> There are two tools already.
> But, I wanted to plugin to any image viewer to upload to wikimedia
> commons directly.
> No image viewer has that plugin.
>
> DigiKam has it, but due to some issues, the mediawiki plugin is not
> released.
>
> So, I started to write my own script for uploading all the files in a
> folder to upload to mediawiki.
>
> Here is it.
> http://code.google.com/p/mediawiki-uploader/
>
> Usage details are available in INSTALL and README files.
>
> Thanks for the wikipedia users Surya and Sodabottle for their valuable
> suggestions.
>
> Please report if there are any issues.
>
> Provide your suggestions for improving too.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Event on online free speech on Wednesday

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Gautam, I was wondering if you could get in touch with the CIS and try
and organise such events in other tech based cities in India like
Mysore, Hyderabad, Chennai and of course Coimbatore?

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[ansuman]

Thanks Nikita for your brief report. All your points are valid. And all
activities are going on If I am right. I am suggesting something new, don't
know whether possible or not.

It would be great if we can produce a common standard *
Presentation/Brochure/Leaflet* (name it whatever suits)* *which includes
all the important point,* "Why One should contribute to Wikipedia"* from
the repository. And we can spread the leaflet everywhere. Which would be a
common leaflet with *same text * to public or everyone. We can produce it
without Wikipedia or Chapter Logo, would be appropriate according to policy.
It should be cheap, so we can produce as many as we want and distribute
everywhere like a slogan or say Tagline. We can also upload to our
websites, I am sure many have their own websites and blogs. And we can also
distribute those leaflets through News Paper. I don't know If Wikipedia
policy allow us to do that ??  I am sure there are peoples sitting at home
searching constructive works to do. We need to reach to them.

Just a thought It might sounds stupid to you guys. :) or many might have
already tried this before.

And Srikanth I am agree with you. I too observed the same. But We have to
keep trying right. :)

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Subhashish Panigrahi  wrote:

> Quite a descriptive note Nitika, and I would also request everyone to put
> their suggestions for improvements.modifications at
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Outreach_Program_Handbook&action=edit&redlink=1
>
> So, it would be more comprehensive and useful.
>
> Best
> Subha
>
> On 19 December 2011 17:45, Nitika  wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>>- *There were no laptops for the participants or the internet
>>connection was weak - so I could only give a lecture on wikipedia but 
>> could
>>not give hands-on training*
>>- *I conducted sessions but I really don't know if anything
>>productive came out of it since I'm not confident that anyone of the
>>participants will actually start editing.  My time is limited and I really
>>want to figure out how to make the best use of it.*
>>- *I keep reading that outreach sessions should be done in a fun
>>manner - but I just don't know how to handle such a serious topic like
>>Wikipedia in a fun manner.*
>>- *I could not get more than 7 people to create user accounts because
>>of the 7 per day limit for creating user logins from an single IP address 
>> -
>>so the rest of the participants were not able to be more actively involved
>>in the session.*
>>- *I want to help out on outreach because I love doing it - but I'm
>>relatively new to Wikipedia and not sure if I can convey the right 
>> messages.
>>*
>>- *I prepared standard presentations introducing Wikipedia and the
>>basics of editing - but I wish I had structured material available on the
>>difference between paraphrasing, close paraphrasing and 
>> plagiarism/copyvio.
>>*
>>- *I asked the participants to write down their names and email IDs
>>so that I could stay in touch with them after the session - but could not
>>read the handwriting of a couple of them.*
>>- *I really want to do outreach - but I am not confident of my public
>>speaking skills.  I really wish I could help out but not sure how.*
>>- *I got irritated preparing the presentations because I am sure many
>>others would have already prepared these and it seem like a waste of time.
>>*
>>- *It would have been really good if I have left handouts for each
>>participants so they could read and refer to them at leisure.*
>>
>>
>> For all those who have conducted (or thought about) outreach sessions, do
>> these sound familiar?  I've been talking to a whole host of community
>> members and participating in outreach session and I wanted to share some
>> thoughts with you and to ask your help and advice.  I'm a new mail thread
>> on this because I am trying to combine some fantastic points from a series
>> of recent, related (and somewhat related) threads
>>
>>
>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005815.html(Srikanth
>>  R's thread on "What's in it for me")
>>
>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005657.html(Pradeep's
>>  thread on improving infrastructure)
>>
>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005453.html(Arnav
>>  S' thread on help for outreach in Gujarat)
>>
>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005632.html(Noopur's
>>  post on GLAM - and specfically the point that GLAM and outreach
>> should inter-linked.)
>>
>> *Most of us believe that we need to attract more newbies to our projects
>> to help our Indic projects grow and to improve Indian content on English
>> Wikipedia.  I also think that many would agree that not enough outreach is
>> happening and that results from the o

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Event on online free speech on Wednesday

[Subhashish Panigrahi]

Srikanth's idea would be nice, And Gautam, do we need to register prior to
the event?

On 19 December 2011 21:49, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
wrote:

> Gautam, I was wondering if you could get in touch with the CIS and try
> and organise such events in other tech based cities in India like
> Mysore, Hyderabad, Chennai and of course Coimbatore?
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Yuvi Panda]

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:41 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
 wrote:
> On a slightly related note
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector

Arun Ganesh was doing this at the Hackathon, and if implemented
*properly* I think this should help with the discovery issue a lot.

>
> -TC
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Ravishankar  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Today, I went to download WordPress and it told me it is also available in
>> Tamil. Very neatly done as it somehow detected that I am from Tamilnadu.
>>
>> See the screenshot at: http://ravidreams.com/ta-wordpress.png
>>
>> A similar announcement in English Wiki projects is sure to double or
>> triple traffic to Indic Wiki projects.
>>
>> We have been requesting this feature for years.
>>
>> Curious when it will be implemented.
>>
>> Ravi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pre-announcement for Wikiwomen camp/conference in Argentina

[Theo10011]

Congrats. It seems like a great initiative, Noopur. :)

I saw Beria was working on the pages for this on Meta. Good luck!

Regards
Theo


On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Noopur  wrote:

> Dear all,
> Just keeping you posted if you haven't seen the IRC log yet. A couple of
> women Wikipedians from Australia and Argentina chapters have been planning
> a Wikiwomen camp and conference in Argentina sometime in May, 2012. I know
> it's far away and probably the official announcement will happen sometime
> end of this month but I thought it's wise to keep you posted so that you
> can keep your respective Indic language women editors in loop.
> Those who might be interested in participating will have to apply for a
> WMF participation grant I guess and they might want to join the discussion
> on the other list to add Indian inputs. One part of the event (Camp)
> encourages women's participation only while the other invites all to
> contribute. Please do spread the word and encourage our Wikichix to
> participate too :) Drop me a mail if you want to join that mailing list.
> Warmly
> Noopur
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pre-announcement for Wikiwomen camp/conference in Argentina

[Béria Lima]

More info can be found here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp(feel free to ask the
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On 19 December 2011 16:36, Theo10011  wrote:

> Congrats. It seems like a great initiative, Noopur. :)
>
> I saw Beria was working on the pages for this on Meta. Good luck!
>
> Regards
> Theo
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Noopur  wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>> Just keeping you posted if you haven't seen the IRC log yet. A couple of
>> women Wikipedians from Australia and Argentina chapters have been planning
>> a Wikiwomen camp and conference in Argentina sometime in May, 2012. I know
>> it's far away and probably the official announcement will happen sometime
>> end of this month but I thought it's wise to keep you posted so that you
>> can keep your respective Indic language women editors in loop.
>> Those who might be interested in participating will have to apply for a
>> WMF participation grant I guess and they might want to join the discussion
>> on the other list to add Indian inputs. One part of the event (Camp)
>> encourages women's participation only while the other invites all to
>> contribute. Please do spread the word and encourage our Wikichix to
>> participate too :) Drop me a mail if you want to join that mailing list.
>> Warmly
>> Noopur
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[ansuman]

Thanks Nitika for your brief report. All your points are valid. And all
activities are going on If I am right. I am suggesting something new, don't
know whether possible or not.

It would be great if we can produce a common standard *
Presentation/Brochure/Leaflet* (name it whatever suits)* *which includes
all the important point,* "Why One should contribute to Wikipedia"* from
the repository. And we can spread the leaflet everywhere. Which would be a
common leaflet with *same text * to public or everyone. We can produce it
without Wikipedia or Chapter Logo, would be appropriate according to policy.
It should be cheap, so we can produce as many as we want and distribute
everywhere like a slogan or say Tagline. We can also upload to our
websites, I am sure many have their own websites and blogs. And we can also
distribute those leaflets through News Paper. I don't know If Wikipedia
policy allow us to do that ??  I am sure there are peoples sitting at home
searching constructive works to do. We need to reach to them.

Just a thought It might sounds stupid to you guys. :) or many might have
already tried this before.

And Srikanth I am agree with you. I too observed the same. But We have to
keep trying right. :)

  On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Subhashish Panigrahi <
psubhash...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Quite a descriptive note Nitika, and I would also request everyone to put
>> their suggestions for improvements.modifications at
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Outreach_Program_Handbook&action=edit&redlink=1
>>
>> So, it would be more comprehensive and useful.
>>
>> Best
>> Subha
>>
>> On 19 December 2011 17:45, Nitika  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>>- *There were no laptops for the participants or the internet
>>>connection was weak - so I could only give a lecture on wikipedia but 
>>> could
>>>not give hands-on training*
>>>- *I conducted sessions but I really don't know if anything
>>>productive came out of it since I'm not confident that anyone of the
>>>participants will actually start editing.  My time is limited and I 
>>> really
>>>want to figure out how to make the best use of it.*
>>>- *I keep reading that outreach sessions should be done in a fun
>>>manner - but I just don't know how to handle such a serious topic like
>>>Wikipedia in a fun manner.*
>>>- *I could not get more than 7 people to create user accounts
>>>because of the 7 per day limit for creating user logins from an single IP
>>>address - so the rest of the participants were not able to be more 
>>> actively
>>>involved in the session.*
>>>- *I want to help out on outreach because I love doing it - but I'm
>>>relatively new to Wikipedia and not sure if I can convey the right 
>>> messages.
>>>*
>>>- *I prepared standard presentations introducing Wikipedia and the
>>>basics of editing - but I wish I had structured material available on the
>>>difference between paraphrasing, close paraphrasing and 
>>> plagiarism/copyvio.
>>>*
>>>- *I asked the participants to write down their names and email IDs
>>>so that I could stay in touch with them after the session - but could not
>>>read the handwriting of a couple of them.*
>>>- *I really want to do outreach - but I am not confident of my
>>>public speaking skills.  I really wish I could help out but not sure how.
>>>*
>>>- *I got irritated preparing the presentations because I am sure
>>>many others would have already prepared these and it seem like a waste of
>>>time.*
>>>- *It would have been really good if I have left handouts for each
>>>participants so they could read and refer to them at leisure.*
>>>
>>>
>>> For all those who have conducted (or thought about) outreach sessions,
>>> do these sound familiar?  I've been talking to a whole host of community
>>> members and participating in outreach session and I wanted to share some
>>> thoughts with you and to ask your help and advice.  I'm a new mail thread
>>> on this because I am trying to combine some fantastic points from a series
>>> of recent, related (and somewhat related) threads
>>>
>>>
>>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005815.html(Srikanth
>>>  R's thread on "What's in it for me")
>>>
>>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005657.html(Pradeep's
>>>  thread on improving infrastructure)
>>>
>>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005453.html(Arnav
>>>  S' thread on help for outreach in Gujarat)
>>>
>>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005632.html(Noopur's
>>>  post on GLAM - and specfically the point that GLAM and outreach
>>> should inter-linked.)
>>>
>>> *Most of us believe that we need to attract more newbies to our
>>> projects to help our Indic projects grow and to improve Indian content on
>>> English 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Yuvaraj Pandian & Max Semink

[ansuman]

Congrats Yuvi and Max :)

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Congrats Yuvi. Keep up the good work.
>
> On 12/19/11, CherianTinu Abraham  wrote:
> > Congrats and Bestwishes to Yuvipanda :)
> >
> > -Tinu Cherian
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Santhosh Thottingal <
> > santhosh.thottin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Congrats Yuvaraj Pandian!
> >>
> >> -santhosh
> >>
> >>
> >> -- Forwarded message --
> >> From: Tomasz Finc 
> >> Date: Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:58 PM
> >> Subject: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Yuvaraj Pandian & Max Semink
> >> To: wmf...@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia developers
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >> Greetings all,
> >>
> >> The Mobile and Special Projects department is pleased to announce the
> >> addition of two new contractors to the team: Yuvaraj Pandian and Max
> >> Seminik.
> >>
> >> Yuvaraj Pandian or Yuvi as we gotten to know him was one of our 2011
> >> Google Summer of Code students. During GSoC he worked with Arthur
> >> Richards on porting the Wikipedia 1.0 bot to a PHP extension named
> >> Selection Sifter. This was in important offline project as it allowed
> >> us to better support and extend our offline tool chains. Previous to
> >> this he had been active in the busroutes.in community where users
> >> @logic and @planemad motivated him to come on and help the Wikimedia
> >> community. One of his early Wikimedia project memories includes the
> >> tawiki community discussing the ShortUrl extension. He found the
> >> entire channel so lively and helpful that he applied for GSoC.
> >>
> >> Yuvi will be working for us remotely while on a six month sabbatical
> >> from KCG College of Technology, India. He'll be extending the Android
> >> app, enhancing MobileFrontend, and working with our various offline
> >> efforts to further the reach of the projects. You can find him on irc
> >> under the nick 'yuviapanda' .
> >>
> >> Max Semink has been an active MediaWiki contributor since 2009. He's
> >> recently been most involved in developing the API Sandbox for
> >> MediaWiki. An extension that allows any user to easily create complex
> >> API queries through a visual interface. When not hacking on MediaWiki,
> >> Max has been busy developing C++ software for embedded systems in the
> >> railroad industry. While train switching has captured the majority of
> >> his recent developer cycles, he's super eager to change direction and
> >> focus his full time efforts on MediaWiki.
> >>
> >> Max will be continuing his interest in the API by helping us improve
> >> and extend its use within mobile. He'll be adding a proper API to
> >> MobileFrontend, extending support for GPS, and in general moving the
> >> API forward for our mobile clients. Max will be working for us
> >> remotely and can be found under the nick 'MaxSem' .
> >>
> >> It's great to be able to see two active community members be able to
> >> join us full time.
> >>
> >> Please join me in (re)-welcoming Yuvi and Max!
> >>
> >> --tomasz
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects

[Subhashish Panigrahi]

Hi All,

While testing both Lohit and Utkal has hinting problems in or wp, is that
possible to keep them optional? As of now automatically the default font
changes to Lohit when you open or wp, instead of that is that possible to
make it optional which someone can choose the dropdown?

Subha

2011/12/16 ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) 

> Praveen Prakash +1
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 09:46, Praveen Prakash wrote:
>
>> There is lot to say. But i don't want to derail this thread. Pls start
>> a new thread.
>>
>> On 16/12/2011, Anivar Aravind  wrote:
>> > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Praveen Prakash 
>> > wrote:
>> >> I haven't seen any communication in any open platform with Malayalam
>> >> Community members about this matter. A few weeks before I had a brief
>> >> discussion with Santhosh about webfonts. But it was nothing about
>> >> webfonts'
>> >> rendering bugs. Infact, popular (and beautiful) Malayalam fonts are
>> open
>> >> licensed, but there are other rendering bugs.  Issue I raised was
>> about an
>> >> unnessessory char code change doing by webfonts which I felt a
>> propaganda
>> >> pushing in favor of his idea about some characters, and which need
>> >> additional scripts on both client (= additional bandwidth) and server.
>> But
>> >> Santhosh quit the thread claiming my concerns are my pure
>> imaginations. :)
>> >> Naturally thread died.
>> >
>> > Praveen Do you mean this bug ?
>> > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29005
>> >
>> > The bug speaks itself .
>> >
>> > From a quick reading I felt what you were asking is to use not
>> > properly forked font projects in webfonts, when santhosh took a stand
>> > to use fonts them from upstream.
>> >
>> > On Normalization of characters,  it is an optional feature, for
>> > visibility of some chillus  , that can be disabled in user settings if
>> > needed.
>> > It perfectly makes sense for me, since dual encoding is an issue in
>> > Malayalam , and the fix need to be on Unicode . The Webfonts hack is
>> > just a positive step and optional fix to ensure, people will not be
>> > missed from accessing knowledge in wikipedia , based on browser
>> > restrictions.
>> >
>> >
>> > Anivar
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I know Malayalam Wikimedian 'Vssun' tried to have an open conversation
>> on
>> >> Gerard's talk page, after Gerard's notice, but didn't see any
>> development.
>> >> As far as now I know no one, who was sure about webfonts deployment on
>> ml
>> >> projects.
>> >>
>> >> I certainly do not want webfonts in its current form in any of the
>> >> Malayalam
>> >> Wikiprojects. But I want to know why Malayalam is excluded from this
>> >> deployment and I want to know why such a code deployed on many other
>> >> wikies.
>> >>
>> >> I personally don't like Santhosh's enthusiasm to fly his scripts on
>> >> wikimedia servers, based on his "I am correct, I am correct, I am the
>> only
>> >> correct" attitude.
>> >>
>> >> If webfonts is too bad for your language, I urge you to file a bug for
>> >> removing it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> If you want to test something new, either make it opt in, or don't do
>> >>> it live. Not on Tamil, not on Hindi, not on any Wikipedia for that
>> >>> matter.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 12/14/11, Ravishankar  wrote:
>> >>> > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> I dont think its appropriate to be a bit more experimental. You are
>> >>> >> seeing
>> >>> >> the scale in absolute sense, we are seeing it in relative sense.
>> Tamil
>> >>> >> Wikipedia is 7th most-viewed Tamil site.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > +1. Similar stats can be observed for most of the Indic language
>> Wiki
>> >>> > projects with sizable content as they are the only / major source of
>> >>> > reference online for the respective languages.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Ravi
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
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>> >>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>> >>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
>> >>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 07:33, Subhashish Panigrahi
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> While testing both Lohit and Utkal has hinting problems in or wp, is that
> possible to keep them optional? As of now automatically the default font
> changes to Lohit when you open or wp, instead of that is that possible to
> make it optional which someone can choose the dropdown?


Welcome to the world finally! Go read the bug[1] for a start. In summary
i18n team feels the purpose of extension gets defeated if its not set as
default. I tried convincing them for days it wont get defeated, but this is
a PoV debate and solution remains at heart :). If you feel having the
default fonts with hinting issue will affect many more people than it would
benefit(In case of Tamil it was over 10x), then file a bug for removing
WebFonts for or wp. But what next? 2 options.

1. If fonts are bad and have hinting issues, {{SOFIXIT}} . Suggest to
Santhosh what are the issues, where it could get better, he will try his
best and do as much as he can do. We did the same for Tamil, Lohit-Tamil is
improved than what upstream gave, but there is a limitation here as to how
much Santhosh can help since he is not a professional typographer and you
may not be satisfied very much with font even after the exercise (like we
are). There is also delivery issue which needs to be sorted if we are going
to go this way since Win 7, most linux OS dont have hinting issue but win
xp has it.

2. Get more free fonts. Look out for other free(ly licensed) fonts,
convince people to release fonts under free license.Create a new
font(Easier said than done,but its not Impossible). Beg,Borrow (no Steal
doesnt apply here :D, Acquire probably applies in case money is only thing
stopping, then a reasonable grant request might help). In short get
alternative fonts which can be used.

[1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31936#c2

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mediawiki-uploader

[Shrinivasan T]

is there any image viewer in windows where we can add comments and notes to
images?

the meta data we add is called IPTC tags.

if so we can use this application in windows too.

please find it and share here.

thanks.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mediawiki-uploader

[CherianTinu Abraham]

#WIN.

-TC

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Philippe Beaudette
wrote:

> This is really fantastic, and makes me very very happy.  This represents
> the best of what makes the Wikimedia projects great - someone identifies a
> need and then rolls up their sleeves and fills that need.  Well done,
> Shrini, and thank you.
>
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> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:10 AM, Shrinivasan T wrote:
>
>> Friends.
>>
>> Tamil Wikipedia announced a Media Contest to increase the commons
>> media files like photos, audio and video in the wikipedia world.
>> see the announcement here.
>> http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contest/en
>>
>> To upload the photos there are two ways available so far.
>>
>> 1. The web based upload wizard
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard
>>
>> 2. Java based upload tool - Commonist
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Tools/Commonist
>>
>> We have to provide a detailed filename and description to the images
>> for uploading.
>>
>> When we have a bunch of photos to upload, we have to select them,
>> crop, or edit them before uploading.
>>
>> Found that that "GThumb Image Viewer" can show the files, edit the
>> files and add IPTC tags to the images.
>>
>> We can view,edit,delete,rotate,crop and add the required Description
>> and Title to the images
>> for uploading to wikimedia commons.
>>
>> How to upload the files?
>> There are two tools already.
>> But, I wanted to plugin to any image viewer to upload to wikimedia
>> commons directly.
>> No image viewer has that plugin.
>>
>> DigiKam has it, but due to some issues, the mediawiki plugin is not
>> released.
>>
>> So, I started to write my own script for uploading all the files in a
>> folder to upload to mediawiki.
>>
>> Here is it.
>> http://code.google.com/p/mediawiki-uploader/
>>
>> Usage details are available in INSTALL and README files.
>>
>> Thanks for the wikipedia users Surya and Sodabottle for their valuable
>> suggestions.
>>
>> Please report if there are any issues.
>>
>> Provide your suggestions for improving too.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> T.Shrinivasan
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pre-announcement for Wikiwomen camp/conference in Argentina

[Bishakha Datta]

Congratulations to all organizers - this sounds most exciting and I'm
planning to attend.

Hope there will be some more representation from India, even though
Argentina is far away.

Cheers
Bishakha

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Béria Lima  wrote:

> More info can be found here: 
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp(feel free to ask the organizers 
> any question - the  mails are in the page)
> _
> *Béria Lima*
> (351) 925 171 484
>
> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
> construir esse sonho. *
>
>
>
> On 19 December 2011 16:36, Theo10011  wrote:
>
>> Congrats. It seems like a great initiative, Noopur. :)
>>
>> I saw Beria was working on the pages for this on Meta. Good luck!
>>
>> Regards
>> Theo
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Noopur  wrote:
>>
>>>  Dear all,
>>> Just keeping you posted if you haven't seen the IRC log yet. A couple of
>>> women Wikipedians from Australia and Argentina chapters have been planning
>>> a Wikiwomen camp and conference in Argentina sometime in May, 2012. I know
>>> it's far away and probably the official announcement will happen sometime
>>> end of this month but I thought it's wise to keep you posted so that you
>>> can keep your respective Indic language women editors in loop.
>>> Those who might be interested in participating will have to apply for a
>>> WMF participation grant I guess and they might want to join the discussion
>>> on the other list to add Indian inputs. One part of the event (Camp)
>>> encourages women's participation only while the other invites all to
>>> contribute. Please do spread the word and encourage our Wikichix to
>>> participate too :) Drop me a mail if you want to join that mailing list.
>>> Warmly
>>> Noopur
>>>
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>>> Arts and Aesthetics
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[Nitika]

On 19-Dec-2011, at 6:10 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:

> Do think about it. No matter how
> excellet facilities are provided, how yuai enthusiasm is shown,
> physical outreach programs actually have very little or zero impact on
> getting new people on board. This is an observation that I have made,
> as well as a few others have made.

Thanks for your inputs Srikanth. :)

Outreach is very tough, I agree with.  Globally, we have about 1 lakh editors 
from a reader base of about 500m.  That's works out to roughly 0.02%!  It takes 
a lot of hard work to try and identify editors.  In an outreach session, if we 
get 1 regular editor from a group of 25, that's 4%. The work that I'm proposing 
is to see what we can do to try and improve this because volunteer time is 
limited.  For instance, are there any types of audiences that will make 
volunteer outreach efforts more productive?  Are there ways that we can conduct 
sessions that will improve the chances of getting new editors? Are there things 
we can do after workshops to encourage and support newbies to become regular 
editors.  

Also, there are several examples of outreach efforts resulting in building 
communities.  Odia is a prime example.  They're still small but they've reached 
where they are now through a series of outreach efforts.  They're also 
continuing their outreach efforts.

Outreach does take time and effort and skill and persistence and patience!  
Don't lose faith!

Nitika

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach

[Nitika]

On 19-Dec-2011, at 9:50 PM, ansuman wrote:

> It would be great if we can produce a common standard 
> Presentation/Brochure/Leaflet (name it whatever suits) which includes all the 
> important point, "Why One should contribute to Wikipedia" from the 
> repository. 



That's one of the things I'd love to work on. In order to do successful 
outreach we need to have supportive documents that can be used and/or given 
away during the sessions. These documents need to be well thought and 
structured and should be inclusive of various aspects one needs to know about 
Wikipedia. In my opinion, a deck of documents that should be readily available 
to anyone who wants to do an outreach are:

1. Presentations. These presentation should be in different modules and the 
presenter should be able to choose a presentation from the deck depending upon 
the nature of the audience, topic of discussion during the session etc. 
Basic introduction to Wikipedia
Editing basics
Why contribute to Wikipedia?
Neutral point of view
Notability
Manual of Style
Referencing 
Avoiding copyright violations / plagiarism
Introduction to Wikimedia Commons

2. Leaflet/brochure that can be given away to the participants. These leaflets 
can also be used in other outreach programs: like exhibitions, trade fairs etc.

3. FAQs that can either be handed over to the participants in the session or 
can be mailed to them as a follow up.

We should make sure that each of these documents have just the right amount of 
information - too much of information can be confusing and too little 
information might not be sufficient for a newbie. 

I'm sure we have made some of these documents in the past. We need to update 
them and collate them in a common place. I can track down some of the old 
documents pertaining to these topics and share it with you all. We can then 
collaboratively start working on this deck step-by-step. Please let me know if 
this sounds good or if you'd prefer to work on this in any other way?

Nitika

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

[Hisham]

On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:16 PM, Theo10011 wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Ravishankar  wrote:

This is a really useful discussion and there's a powerful idea.  I agree with 
Ravi that there is an opportunity to build awareness and traffic to Indic 
language sites.  While we are already seeing considerable readership of Indic 
languages, there's clearly a lot more that can be done to support this and also 
to help build Indic language communities.  I also hear Theo's point that it 
didn't work last time, or maybe wasn't adequately measured.  

I'd like to suggest that - even as the technical challenges are resolved - to 
explore this.  The first step would be finalise what the objectives are (e.g., 
is it basic awareness building of the existence of Indic language projects or 
to is it to drive readership of these projects or is it encourage more active 
participation in these proejcts?)  The next stage would be to test different 
banner/notice/page design options and figure out the most appropriate solution 
(in the same systematic way that the WMF fundraising team tests banners and 
optimises the ones that work best.)  If you see value and you think we need 
resources for this, I'm happy to see what we can do about it.  (Maybe see if 
any of the fundraising team's people are free after the fundraiser to help with 
the analytics for determining what might work best?)  

What say?

hisham

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[Wikimediaindia-l] Mailing list is created for Assamese wiki projects

[Shiju Alex]

Dear All,

A mailing list is created to facilitate the discussions about Assamese wiki
projects.

The URL is https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-as

Kindly subscribe if you are interested in Assamese wiki projects.

Shiju Alex
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