[Wikimediaindia-l] Indic has arrived! -- on devices !!
Hi all, It was a almost a unimaginable surprise when I heard a Samsung camera has a Tamil interface! See pic[1]. It is important milestone when Indic is starting to reach beyond computers, mobiles. While this also reinforces the Indic growth theory(not just wikimedia in non-profit space, even for business in for-profit space), it also means more work for those who are working on Indic space (translation, content creation,technology). Their work will directly or indirectly reach more people outside wikimedia projects. Projects like wiktionary will be source for many languages which might not have any other largest source of vocabulary elsewhere. I would not be surprised if in future translations for real world things are done openly through projects like translatewiki :) [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tamil_interface_camera-suya_prakash-salem_Wiki_DEC2011-Tamil_Nadu626.JPG -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Yuvaraj Pandian Max Semink
Congrats Yuvaraj Pandian! -santhosh -- Forwarded message -- From: Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.org Date: Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:58 PM Subject: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Yuvaraj Pandian Max Semink To: wmf...@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org Greetings all, The Mobile and Special Projects department is pleased to announce the addition of two new contractors to the team: Yuvaraj Pandian and Max Seminik. Yuvaraj Pandian or Yuvi as we gotten to know him was one of our 2011 Google Summer of Code students. During GSoC he worked with Arthur Richards on porting the Wikipedia 1.0 bot to a PHP extension named Selection Sifter. This was in important offline project as it allowed us to better support and extend our offline tool chains. Previous to this he had been active in the busroutes.in community where users @logic and @planemad motivated him to come on and help the Wikimedia community. One of his early Wikimedia project memories includes the tawiki community discussing the ShortUrl extension. He found the entire channel so lively and helpful that he applied for GSoC. Yuvi will be working for us remotely while on a six month sabbatical from KCG College of Technology, India. He'll be extending the Android app, enhancing MobileFrontend, and working with our various offline efforts to further the reach of the projects. You can find him on irc under the nick 'yuviapanda' . Max Semink has been an active MediaWiki contributor since 2009. He's recently been most involved in developing the API Sandbox for MediaWiki. An extension that allows any user to easily create complex API queries through a visual interface. When not hacking on MediaWiki, Max has been busy developing C++ software for embedded systems in the railroad industry. While train switching has captured the majority of his recent developer cycles, he's super eager to change direction and focus his full time efforts on MediaWiki. Max will be continuing his interest in the API by helping us improve and extend its use within mobile. He'll be adding a proper API to MobileFrontend, extending support for GPS, and in general moving the API forward for our mobile clients. Max will be working for us remotely and can be found under the nick 'MaxSem' . It's great to be able to see two active community members be able to join us full time. Please join me in (re)-welcoming Yuvi and Max! --tomasz ___ Wikitech-l mailing list wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Yuvaraj Pandian Max Semink
Congrats and Bestwishes to Yuvipanda :) -Tinu Cherian On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottin...@gmail.com wrote: Congrats Yuvaraj Pandian! -santhosh -- Forwarded message -- From: Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.org Date: Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:58 PM Subject: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Yuvaraj Pandian Max Semink To: wmf...@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org Greetings all, The Mobile and Special Projects department is pleased to announce the addition of two new contractors to the team: Yuvaraj Pandian and Max Seminik. Yuvaraj Pandian or Yuvi as we gotten to know him was one of our 2011 Google Summer of Code students. During GSoC he worked with Arthur Richards on porting the Wikipedia 1.0 bot to a PHP extension named Selection Sifter. This was in important offline project as it allowed us to better support and extend our offline tool chains. Previous to this he had been active in the busroutes.in community where users @logic and @planemad motivated him to come on and help the Wikimedia community. One of his early Wikimedia project memories includes the tawiki community discussing the ShortUrl extension. He found the entire channel so lively and helpful that he applied for GSoC. Yuvi will be working for us remotely while on a six month sabbatical from KCG College of Technology, India. He'll be extending the Android app, enhancing MobileFrontend, and working with our various offline efforts to further the reach of the projects. You can find him on irc under the nick 'yuviapanda' . Max Semink has been an active MediaWiki contributor since 2009. He's recently been most involved in developing the API Sandbox for MediaWiki. An extension that allows any user to easily create complex API queries through a visual interface. When not hacking on MediaWiki, Max has been busy developing C++ software for embedded systems in the railroad industry. While train switching has captured the majority of his recent developer cycles, he's super eager to change direction and focus his full time efforts on MediaWiki. Max will be continuing his interest in the API by helping us improve and extend its use within mobile. He'll be adding a proper API to MobileFrontend, extending support for GPS, and in general moving the API forward for our mobile clients. Max will be working for us remotely and can be found under the nick 'MaxSem' . It's great to be able to see two active community members be able to join us full time. Please join me in (re)-welcoming Yuvi and Max! --tomasz ___ Wikitech-l mailing list wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Yuvaraj Pandian Max Semink
Congrats Yuvi. Keep up the good work. On 12/19/11, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Congrats and Bestwishes to Yuvipanda :) -Tinu Cherian On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottin...@gmail.com wrote: Congrats Yuvaraj Pandian! -santhosh -- Forwarded message -- From: Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.org Date: Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:58 PM Subject: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Yuvaraj Pandian Max Semink To: wmf...@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org Greetings all, The Mobile and Special Projects department is pleased to announce the addition of two new contractors to the team: Yuvaraj Pandian and Max Seminik. Yuvaraj Pandian or Yuvi as we gotten to know him was one of our 2011 Google Summer of Code students. During GSoC he worked with Arthur Richards on porting the Wikipedia 1.0 bot to a PHP extension named Selection Sifter. This was in important offline project as it allowed us to better support and extend our offline tool chains. Previous to this he had been active in the busroutes.in community where users @logic and @planemad motivated him to come on and help the Wikimedia community. One of his early Wikimedia project memories includes the tawiki community discussing the ShortUrl extension. He found the entire channel so lively and helpful that he applied for GSoC. Yuvi will be working for us remotely while on a six month sabbatical from KCG College of Technology, India. He'll be extending the Android app, enhancing MobileFrontend, and working with our various offline efforts to further the reach of the projects. You can find him on irc under the nick 'yuviapanda' . Max Semink has been an active MediaWiki contributor since 2009. He's recently been most involved in developing the API Sandbox for MediaWiki. An extension that allows any user to easily create complex API queries through a visual interface. When not hacking on MediaWiki, Max has been busy developing C++ software for embedded systems in the railroad industry. While train switching has captured the majority of his recent developer cycles, he's super eager to change direction and focus his full time efforts on MediaWiki. Max will be continuing his interest in the API by helping us improve and extend its use within mobile. He'll be adding a proper API to MobileFrontend, extending support for GPS, and in general moving the API forward for our mobile clients. Max will be working for us remotely and can be found under the nick 'MaxSem' . It's great to be able to see two active community members be able to join us full time. Please join me in (re)-welcoming Yuvi and Max! --tomasz ___ Wikitech-l mailing list wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic has arrived! -- on devices !!
Srikanth, This is brilliant. Great news. Now if only my phone could support Indic languages. I'd've said Supera Irukke. But still, an important milestone. I only hope however, that translations are appropriate. I hope it's not a simply transliterated interface or extremely technical at the same time. On 12/19/11, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, It was a almost a unimaginable surprise when I heard a Samsung camera has a Tamil interface! See pic[1]. It is important milestone when Indic is starting to reach beyond computers, mobiles. While this also reinforces the Indic growth theory(not just wikimedia in non-profit space, even for business in for-profit space), it also means more work for those who are working on Indic space (translation, content creation,technology). Their work will directly or indirectly reach more people outside wikimedia projects. Projects like wiktionary will be source for many languages which might not have any other largest source of vocabulary elsewhere. I would not be surprised if in future translations for real world things are done openly through projects like translatewiki :) [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tamil_interface_camera-suya_prakash-salem_Wiki_DEC2011-Tamil_Nadu626.JPG -- Regards Srikanth.L -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] What's in it for me?
Wow Nitika, thank you for talking out time to write such a detailed reply to this thread. I agree completely, we learn, we enjoy. It is indeed magical. There are perfect examples as part of this mailing list itself. The only problem, however is getting across this thought to newcomers. : ) On 12/18/11, Nitika ntan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Srikanth everyone else, This is a really good question and one that I've been thinking about and working on as we look at outreach in general. From my discussions with various editors and my observing and participating in outreach sessions, I think the biggest challenge when we do outreach is why to contribute. Of course, how to edit is essential - but unless someone believes there is a strong enough reason to participate, it's unlikely they're going to get involved or stay involved after a couple of exploratory edits. From my conversations and readings, the motivators of existing editors are any or a combination (or variants) of promoting free knowledge or sharing knowledge in general or improving education or passion for their languages or interest in a particular subject (e.g. astronomy or railways or butterflies.) However, my opinion is that it is relatively complex to convey these in an initial outreach session. It's best to motivate and train and support potential newbies to join the movement and community - and allow them to discover for themselves what is the inspiration for them (especially because it is likely to be unique to that individual.) Personally, i think there are a number of really compelling answers to the What's in it for me? question - and I do want to share my take on it. I'm dividing my answer into students and faculty/institutions. (The tone I'm using is what can be used when actually answering the question.) These answers are a little clinical and conceptual but I've found they work - and I believe they will provide an adequate incentive to try and learn a little bit more about editing and to hopefully become regular editors. Academia - Students It improves your writing skills. Writing skills are essential when you move ahead in life either to do further studies or to work. Our education system (unfortunately) doesn't adequately teach writing skills and we all struggle when we have to write a formal report or research paper. When you move into the working world, you'll find that you can be as good as you are at your work but unless you are able to write those written reports properly, you'll always find it hard to succeed. It will help your critical thinking. Concepts like Neutral Point of View (which you will sometimes see in Wikipedia being referred to as NPOV) help you see all sides of a story. In your future careers, you need to consider the pros and cons of anything - because only that way will you be a better professional. If you're into software, look at the article on waterfall development model and how it looks at pros and cons. If you're in economics, look at the article on the Euro bailout and see how it looks at all the multiple complex issues involved. Very little in life is purely good or totally evil; we need to be neutral and consider all sides. You will find this incredibly useful in both your personal and professional lives. This thinking will help you decide who to vote for in elections or which version of Lok Pal you support or which IPL team to follow! This thinking will help you understand your subjects even better. It'll strengthen your research skills. Editing a wikipedia article requires you to do a lot of referencing (or what wikipedia sometimes calls citations.) This means you need to look beyond just the wikipedia article and research online references and also go into that forgotten room called the library and look up books or journal. This is a skill you cannot live without if you are writing a thesis or working on a research project. It teaches you how to collaborate! Editing wikipedia is magical. You add some content and someone from some other part of the class or school or town or country or somewhere else in the world adds a little bit more and makes your contribution that much better. The days of sitting alone under a tree and having an apple fall on your head and discovering gravity are over. In today's world, we will need to collaborate to achieve anything. If you're into biotechnology, you might be based in Hyderabad but the team you are part of might have someone in Scotland or Brazil- from a different culture and with a different accent - but you need to work together. Wikipedia helps you learn how to collaborate! It gives you a global audience of - literally, thousands! If you submit a class report, the maximum audience is 2; 1 being you and 1 being your teacher. After your paper is marked, it will normally be thrown away. If you edit a wikipedia article, it is there *forever* and the audience can
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mediawiki-uploader
Hi, On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.comwrote: hi arjuna, thanks for the wishes. I am also very new to wikipedia. please give some more details on categories. Please see Wiki Conference India as a sample category http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:WikiConference_India_2011 The listing sees around 537 out of which I came to know around 300 or so were contributed by User:RameshNG. I am sure the contributor would have spent a lot of time adding categories to all such images. shall we give any text as category or some pre defined text are there to pick up from? use gthumb to add some meta data. we can parse it and use them as categories. Yes, Looks like a good idea. Cheers Arjuna Rao Chavala ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] What's in it for me?
On 19-Dec-2011, at 4:05 PM, Ashwin Baindur wrote: Nitika, the plus points you gave are really well thought out well-expressed. Wikipedians can use these in outreach. Great work, keep it up! Stay tuned to this channel. I'm working on something that i'd love to have your (and everyone else's) help and inputs on. Thanks Nitika ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias
Hi, Today, I went to download WordPress and it told me it is also available in Tamil. Very neatly done as it somehow detected that I am from Tamilnadu. See the screenshot at: http://ravidreams.com/ta-wordpress.png A similar announcement in English Wiki projects is sure to double or triple traffic to Indic Wiki projects. We have been requesting this feature for years. Curious when it will be implemented. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic has arrived! -- on devices !!
True that. While Hindi and Tamil have always been at an advantage due to them being the first two Indic languages to be embraced by the tech industry, AFAIK, the sms typed on these phones don't conform to Unicode standards. Atleast not on Nokia models. On 12/19/11, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote: Hi, As I understand, many vendors do support Indic languages (at least one of them like Hindi/Tamil). What we require is to find out the right device that supports Indic and suits our needs. My 2.5 year old dual SIM phone from FLY has Hindi support. Can show all the menus in Hindi, can send/receive SMS in Hindi. My earlier Nokia phone (purchased about 6 years back) also had Hindi support. Some of the low cost printers-inkjet, laser ones also have Indic language support in their software as well as manuals. Regards -Sudhanwa On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, It was a almost a unimaginable surprise when I heard a Samsung camera has a Tamil interface! See pic[1]. It is important milestone when Indic is starting to reach beyond computers, mobiles. While this also reinforces the Indic growth theory(not just wikimedia in non-profit space, even for business in for-profit space), it also means more work for those who are working on Indic space (translation, content creation,technology). Their work will directly or indirectly reach more people outside wikimedia projects. Projects like wiktionary will be source for many languages which might not have any other largest source of vocabulary elsewhere. I would not be surprised if in future translations for real world things are done openly through projects like translatewiki :) [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tamil_interface_camera-suya_prakash-salem_Wiki_DEC2011-Tamil_Nadu626.JPG -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mediawiki-uploader
Agreed. This tool is definitely an asset. I hope somebody has forwarded this to the Commons mailing list as well as the Tech and Foundation lists to show the dedication that Shrini has shown here. On 12/19/11, Arjuna Rao Chavala arjunar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.comwrote: hi arjuna, thanks for the wishes. I am also very new to wikipedia. please give some more details on categories. Please see Wiki Conference India as a sample category http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:WikiConference_India_2011 The listing sees around 537 out of which I came to know around 300 or so were contributed by User:RameshNG. I am sure the contributor would have spent a lot of time adding categories to all such images. shall we give any text as category or some pre defined text are there to pick up from? use gthumb to add some meta data. we can parse it and use them as categories. Yes, Looks like a good idea. Cheers Arjuna Rao Chavala -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] What's in it for me?
Nitika, while you're at it, also try and look into what may get us more women editors. I have a bunch of reasons and ideas which may someday, come out. On 12/19/11, Nitika ntan...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 19-Dec-2011, at 4:05 PM, Ashwin Baindur wrote: Nitika, the plus points you gave are really well thought out well-expressed. Wikipedians can use these in outreach. Great work, keep it up! Stay tuned to this channel. I'm working on something that i'd love to have your (and everyone else's) help and inputs on. Thanks Nitika ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 17:24, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Today, I went to download WordPress and it told me it is also available in Tamil. Very neatly done as it somehow detected that I am from Tamilnadu. Geolocation within India is impossible. My guess is it used your browser's accepted language and did it. Extension:Translate already has a similar code like that. See the screenshot at: http://ravidreams.com/ta-wordpress.png A similar announcement in English Wiki projects is sure to double or triple traffic to Indic Wiki projects. We have been requesting this feature for years. Curious when it will be implemented. It was briefly(week or two) done in 2011 Jan (infact some nice graphic banners) post fundraising along with Thank you banners. We have 10 months (non-fundraiser ones) and we can display this banner all along, but question would it help and is it non-controversial?, who are the ones who could decide on such a high impact sitenotice based on geolocation, this list?, meta admins?, English wikipedians of India? Though there is nothing wrong with intent, keeping banners for long needs some consensus. -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias
A good idea no doubt, but I think the detecting which state the user comes from part is a small road block. While Google Mail has been showing which state the IP is from in the logins section, I think the browser or system language should also be taken into consideration, though it may seem obvious at first that a person who is using his or her computer in their own language would know Wikipedia exists in that language. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias
On a slightly related note http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector -TC On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Today, I went to download WordPress and it told me it is also available in Tamil. Very neatly done as it somehow detected that I am from Tamilnadu. See the screenshot at: http://ravidreams.com/ta-wordpress.png A similar announcement in English Wiki projects is sure to double or triple traffic to Indic Wiki projects. We have been requesting this feature for years. Curious when it will be implemented. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias
Subha, If you check WordPress.com it shows all available Indic languages. If you check WordPress.org, I think it is showing only Tamil (may be because as you said it is the only translation available and that too for Srilankan Tamil : ) But the point is: Even if you show all available Indic languages without resolving to the level of state and language, it is still good. //non-controversial?, who are the ones who could decide on such a high impact sitenotice based on geolocation, this list?, meta admins?, English wikipedians of India? Though there is nothing wrong with intent, keeping banners for long needs some consensus.// Sites like http://www.google.co.in/ highlight the available languages and it makes perfect sense for usability. If keeping a site notice for ever in all pages is a problem, do it only for the pages where there is an Indian language version is available and show only the links for the languages where a corresponding page exists. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach
Hi Folks, There were no laptops for the participants or the internet connection was weak - so I could only give a lecture on wikipedia but could not give hands-on training I conducted sessions but I really don't know if anything productive came out of it since I'm not confident that anyone of the participants will actually start editing. My time is limited and I really want to figure out how to make the best use of it. I keep reading that outreach sessions should be done in a fun manner - but I just don't know how to handle such a serious topic like Wikipedia in a fun manner. I could not get more than 7 people to create user accounts because of the 7 per day limit for creating user logins from an single IP address - so the rest of the participants were not able to be more actively involved in the session. I want to help out on outreach because I love doing it - but I'm relatively new to Wikipedia and not sure if I can convey the right messages. I prepared standard presentations introducing Wikipedia and the basics of editing - but I wish I had structured material available on the difference between paraphrasing, close paraphrasing and plagiarism/copyvio. I asked the participants to write down their names and email IDs so that I could stay in touch with them after the session - but could not read the handwriting of a couple of them. I really want to do outreach - but I am not confident of my public speaking skills. I really wish I could help out but not sure how. I got irritated preparing the presentations because I am sure many others would have already prepared these and it seem like a waste of time. It would have been really good if I have left handouts for each participants so they could read and refer to them at leisure. For all those who have conducted (or thought about) outreach sessions, do these sound familiar? I've been talking to a whole host of community members and participating in outreach session and I wanted to share some thoughts with you and to ask your help and advice. I'm a new mail thread on this because I am trying to combine some fantastic points from a series of recent, related (and somewhat related) threads http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005815.html (Srikanth R's thread on What's in it for me) http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005657.html (Pradeep's thread on improving infrastructure) http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005453.html (Arnav S' thread on help for outreach in Gujarat) http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005632.html (Noopur's post on GLAM - and specfically the point that GLAM and outreach should inter-linked.) Most of us believe that we need to attract more newbies to our projects to help our Indic projects grow and to improve Indian content on English Wikipedia. I also think that many would agree that not enough outreach is happening and that results from the outreach that is happening can be improved. I suspect that a lot more people might be interested in doing outreach but are often not sure how to do it. I think that we need to figure out what are all the various things we can do to make sure that every minute spent by volunteers on outreach is as productive as possible. I would like to propose that I start working on these aspects. My current (very initial) thinking is as follows: Speak to as many more community members as possible who have conducted outreach sessions, plan to conduct them or even attended session and learn from them their experiences on outreach. Document and share tips and best practices to the entire community. Create a repository for all presentations as well as handouts, FAQs pages, etc. (prepared in English to begin with, but later translated to Indic languages). These presentations must be in distinct module so that there could be a standard basic introduction section, editing basics and then separate sections for specific sub-topics such as NPOV, referencing, WP:MOS, etc. These could be accessed at will by any community member and used / edited / adapted at will by them. I realise there might be some duplication because a lot of this exists in various places - but it will be useful to have them all together in one place. Identify what kind of audience is most receptive to outreach by volunteers - and try and help organise more outreach sessions for these. To illustrate, are there interest groups that might hold particular potential like college festival or an ornithology society or a language club. Also, do a lot of hands-on outreach in areas where the current volunteer community is particularly small, such as in Delhi. Work closely with community groups (like we did for Pune's recently concluded CDMA expo or I am working with the West Bengal community on the upcoming Kolkata Book Fair) to help in the planning and organising and
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias
A small extension of my previous post. Logic, geolocation within India is very much possible. Atleast I know Google can do it. The only hitch is that it doesn't work well with Wireless connections. For instance, I frequently use a Reliance Wireless modem, which is registered in K'taka but even in Bangalore, Coimbatore, Pune, Hubli it says it's a TN based IP. Ditto for Tata Docomo. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] What's in it for me?
On 19-Dec-2011, at 5:35 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote: Nitika, while you're at it, also try and look into what may get us more women editors. I have a bunch of reasons and ideas which may someday, come out. Sure Srikanth! I'd love to get more women editors onboard. And I'd love to hear your ideas. Let's discuss this offline - I'll write to you separately on this one. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias
A single line like Wikipedia is also available in Bengali, Hind, Malayalam, Telugu, Tamil at the top and to the left of Login/create account link will be fine. The line can be as what you see in http://www.google.co.in/ . If we feel showing too many languages is clutter, show random and limited number of links for Indic languages. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias
Ravi, I agree. The rotation system, if implemented works best. However do note, this is best suited for the desktop version only, not Mobiles. I'd like to point out that - People who use Opera Mini on their mobiles, get routed thru a European server while all BlackBerry users get routed thru a server in London, Hungary or Canada. On 12/19/11, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: A single line like Wikipedia is also available in Bengali, Hind, Malayalam, Telugu, Tamil at the top and to the left of Login/create account link will be fine. The line can be as what you see in http://www.google.co.in/ . If we feel showing too many languages is clutter, show random and limited number of links for Indic languages. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias
I think Sundar has suggested something like this before in this list. :) *$U®¥∩* http://goo.gl/RoMyo.com http://FirefoxSurya.blogspot.com http://about.me/suryaceg On 19 December 2011 18:04, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.comwrote: Ravi, I agree. The rotation system, if implemented works best. However do note, this is best suited for the desktop version only, not Mobiles. I'd like to point out that - People who use Opera Mini on their mobiles, get routed thru a European server while all BlackBerry users get routed thru a server in London, Hungary or Canada. On 12/19/11, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: A single line like Wikipedia is also available in Bengali, Hind, Malayalam, Telugu, Tamil at the top and to the left of Login/create account link will be fine. The line can be as what you see in http://www.google.co.in/ . If we feel showing too many languages is clutter, show random and limited number of links for Indic languages. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach
Nitika, thanks for starting a new thread. I'd like to make a single point first about this matter. Do think about it. No matter how excellet facilities are provided, how yuai enthusiasm is shown, physical outreach programs actually have very little or zero impact on getting new people on board. This is an observation that I have made, as well as a few others have made. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias
Srikanth, Even if only x% (or say people who wear white shirt on Monday evenings) are going to see this notice, it is still useful and not going to hurt the project in anyway. Unless the community stands united and requests this feature, it will not happen any sooner. So, let us not loose steam on discussing the technical hurdles up front. ravi On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ravi, I agree. The rotation system, if implemented works best. However do note, this is best suited for the desktop version only, not Mobiles. I'd like to point out that - People who use Opera Mini on their mobiles, get routed thru a European server while all BlackBerry users get routed thru a server in London, Hungary or Canada. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 18:12, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote:
Srikanth,
{{Disambiguation needed}},Not just here, in many threads going forward,
especially atleast 2 Srikanth's are active on the list :D
So, let us not loose steam on discussing the technical hurdles up front.
I guess Universal Language Selector is surely on the cards and will solve
the problem in totality, no harm in having one liner you mentioned till
then.
--
Regards
Srikanth.L
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Today, I went to download WordPress and it told me it is also available in Tamil. Very neatly done as it somehow detected that I am from Tamilnadu. See the screenshot at: http://ravidreams.com/ta-wordpress.png A similar announcement in English Wiki projects is sure to double or triple traffic to Indic Wiki projects. We have been requesting this feature for years. Curious when it will be implemented. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l I tried that. twice. Back in 2010, we had banners pointing to Indic wikis, with messages like, there is a wiki in your language you can edit. Then it lead to landing pages with lists of indic language wikis. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010/IN/Welcome http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_language_projects This banner ran for close to 2 months in late 2010 and early 2011. I think WMF staff might have tried it again during the year. Conclusion, it did not make a dent. Most people dismissed the banners, and never clicked, those that did, never followed to edit. It made little to no difference in the visitor or editor stats for the period. Regards Theo ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias
Also, we already have that in the left side of every page, the sidebar on every article lists the version of that article available in different languages. Regards Theo On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Today, I went to download WordPress and it told me it is also available in Tamil. Very neatly done as it somehow detected that I am from Tamilnadu. See the screenshot at: http://ravidreams.com/ta-wordpress.png A similar announcement in English Wiki projects is sure to double or triple traffic to Indic Wiki projects. We have been requesting this feature for years. Curious when it will be implemented. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l I tried that. twice. Back in 2010, we had banners pointing to Indic wikis, with messages like, there is a wiki in your language you can edit. Then it lead to landing pages with lists of indic language wikis. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010/IN/Welcome http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_language_projects This banner ran for close to 2 months in late 2010 and early 2011. I think WMF staff might have tried it again during the year. Conclusion, it did not make a dent. Most people dismissed the banners, and never clicked, those that did, never followed to edit. It made little to no difference in the visitor or editor stats for the period. Regards Theo ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias
Theo, last time I checked, Indic languages are no longer listed in the side of the English Main Page. A limited number of languages is there with a link to More Languages. On 12/19/11, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Also, we already have that in the left side of every page, the sidebar on every article lists the version of that article available in different languages. Regards Theo On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Today, I went to download WordPress and it told me it is also available in Tamil. Very neatly done as it somehow detected that I am from Tamilnadu. See the screenshot at: http://ravidreams.com/ta-wordpress.png A similar announcement in English Wiki projects is sure to double or triple traffic to Indic Wiki projects. We have been requesting this feature for years. Curious when it will be implemented. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l I tried that. twice. Back in 2010, we had banners pointing to Indic wikis, with messages like, there is a wiki in your language you can edit. Then it lead to landing pages with lists of indic language wikis. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010/IN/Welcome http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_language_projects This banner ran for close to 2 months in late 2010 and early 2011. I think WMF staff might have tried it again during the year. Conclusion, it did not make a dent. Most people dismissed the banners, and never clicked, those that did, never followed to edit. It made little to no difference in the visitor or editor stats for the period. Regards Theo -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias
Conclusion, it did not make a dent. Most people dismissed the banners, and never clicked, those that did, never followed to edit. It made little to no difference in the visitor or editor stats for the period. Theo, Clearly, links in sidebars are not getting enough eyeballs. It is also hard to look for one's own language when there are too many interwiki links. Unless you are intentionally looking for it, it is hard to notice. What I am suggesting is a country specific clear navigational aid which is a best practice that all major websites follow (WordPress, Google, Facebook all show Indic language version links if I access from India. It will be interesting to analyze why the banners did not work. If we are inviting people to contribute, only people who would like to contribute may check. The behavior may be different when we try different messages. Also, I am not looking to convert people to editors. Merely getting more readers and increasing awareness about the existence of local language versions is a great win. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Event on online free speech on Wednesday
This might be of interest to those of you in Bangalore. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html -- Forwarded message -- From: Anja Kovacs Date: Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:19 PM Subject: Event on online free speech on Wednesday To: Gautam John Free Speech Online in India under Attack? A Panel Discussion When Minister of Communications and IT Kapil Sibal suggested pre-censorship for a range of popular online platforms and social networking sites, this suggestion was soon met by a barrage of criticism, which soon forced him to back down. Yet Sibal’s suggestion is not the only threat to free speech on the Internet in India today: legislation such as the Intermediary Due Diligence Rules and Cyber Café Rules (also jointly known as the IT Rules) issued in April 2011 is equally dangerous for free speech online. In this event, Achal Prabhala, Anja Kovacs and Lawrence Liang will join moderator Sunil Abraham to discuss in more detail some of the most direct threats to freedom of expression online that exist in India today; the larger legal and social context of freedom of expression and censorship, control and resistance in which they have to be understood; and the steps that can be taken to ensure that substantive protections for freedom of expression online will be put into place. Join us at the Centre for Internet and Society in Bangalore, on Wednesday 21 December, at 5.30 pm. Address: No. 194, Second 'C' Cross, Domlur 2nd Stage, Bangalore – 560071 Phone: +91 80 4092 6283 About the speakers: Achal Prabhala is a researcher and writer from Bangalore who works on access to knowledge and access to medicine. Anja Kovacs works with the Internet Democracy Project, which engages in research and advocacy on the promises and challenges that the Internet poses for democracy and social justice in the developing world. Lawrence Liang is a lawyer and researcher at the Alternative Law Forum. He works on the intersection of law, technology and culture and has worked closely with film makes and artists in a number of anti-censorship campaigns. About the moderator: Sunil Abraham is the Executive Director of the Centre for Internet and Society in Bangalore. This event is jointly organised by the Internet Democracy Project and the Centre for Internet and Society ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Theo, Clearly, links in sidebars are not getting enough eyeballs. It is also hard to look for one's own language when there are too many interwiki links. Unless you are intentionally looking for it, it is hard to notice. The placement of the inter-wiki language links was more of a usability decision. WMF undertook the usability initiative a couple of years ago, and decided to place it there in the current skins. What I am suggesting is a country specific clear navigational aid which is a best practice that all major websites follow (WordPress, Google, Facebook all show Indic language version links if I access from India. And I'm saying, that is similar to what we tried. We had a banner informing only Indian editors, both logged-in and anon, that there is a version of Wikipedia in their own language. It will be interesting to analyze why the banners did not work. If we are inviting people to contribute, only people who would like to contribute may check. The behavior may be different when we try different messages. Also, I am not looking to convert people to editors. Merely getting more readers and increasing awareness about the existence of local language versions is a great win. At the time, my intention wasn't as much as getting editors but raising awareness of the Indic Wikis. We didn't have analytics on during the last tests, but I suppose click-through rates and other information could be utilized for an analysis. My point was, we tried it for months, it did not make any measurable impact. The approach was very similar to what you are proposing, I believe someone even suggested that exact proposal during that time. I asked around and maybe there was some technical solution to making an en.wp sitenotice geolocated to india that would pull the same info as the language side-bar but place it on top. It doesn't seem technically hard to pull off. Anyway, I suppose I can throw something together for a banner or test but I am not inclined towards trying it now, we just concluded the Wikiconference, and banners for India ran non-stop for over 3 months, which lead into the fundraiser banners lasting the last couple of months followed by the research study and editor trends. It is time to give central notices for India some rest, it needs some gap unless we start loosing visibility for banners in India, all together. Regards Theo ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Pre-announcement for Wikiwomen camp/conference in Argentina
Dear all, Just keeping you posted if you haven't seen the IRC log yet. A couple of women Wikipedians from Australia and Argentina chapters have been planning a Wikiwomen camp and conference in Argentina sometime in May, 2012. I know it's far away and probably the official announcement will happen sometime end of this month but I thought it's wise to keep you posted so that you can keep your respective Indic language women editors in loop. Those who might be interested in participating will have to apply for a WMF participation grant I guess and they might want to join the discussion on the other list to add Indian inputs. One part of the event (Camp) encourages women's participation only while the other invites all to contribute. Please do spread the word and encourage our Wikichix to participate too :) Drop me a mail if you want to join that mailing list. Warmly Noopur -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] What's in it for me?
Wow, Nice awesome responses. Thanks to all for detailed thoughts. And Srikanth, I know this is not enough for you ;) just keep up the good work and have faith. Don't get confused. Regards ansuman * ଓଡ଼ିଆ ଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ * http://twitter.com/smileyansu On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: No, no offline. Please switch to Wikipedia-in-en if you must but not offline. Its too important a debate to waste offline. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Nitika ntan...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 19-Dec-2011, at 5:35 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote: Nitika, while you're at it, also try and look into what may get us more women editors. I have a bunch of reasons and ideas which may someday, come out. Sure Srikanth! I'd love to get more women editors onboard. And I'd love to hear your ideas. Let's discuss this offline - I'll write to you separately on this one. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?
Throwing a few ideas since our participation tendency seems positive: 1) Can we start doing a few things in the background: compile lists of monuments? ASI already has the list for monuments of national importance, State wise: http://asi.nic.in/asi_monu_alphalist.asp 2) Let's sign up/raise hands for people who can help figure out how-to guides, do documentation and collect resources/materials so that it's easy to implement this template event anywhere? 3) Just a suggestion: Can we have a GLAM India mailing list so that for now we can keep all GLAM related, Monuments discussions on that? Keeps it neater but this is just a suggestion. As always, *me raises hand first*. I am looking around for more monument lists while you guys figure out the organization bit. :) Warmly Noopur On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Mitra sharma mittyko...@gmail.com wrote: thanks! :) On 19 December 2011 15:21, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Mitra, The simplest way to get started on the Wikipedia is to click on the Edit button. For photographs, head to http://commons.Wikimedia.org and click on Upload file on the left. Make sure you're logged in first though. Happy Editing, :-) On 12/18/11, Mitra sharma mittyko...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Noopur, Thanks for warm welcome! :) :) I'm based out of Delhi and know a few people who would love to contribute for Gujurat and Mumbai. I already am a member, how do I go about it post that? Best, Mitra On 18 December 2011 23:58, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Mitra and others, Welcome Mitra :) Here is a link to a start page: http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Loves_Monuments. I just created it for the India community. I think to sign up you might need to be a member. You can always get more info on the mailing list while we try and fix this. Do tell us which city you belong to and we can connect you to active ppl there :) Warmly Noopur On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Mitra sharma mittyko...@gmail.comwrote: Hey guys, I'm kinda new to the Wiki community, so correct me if my suggestions are out of the way. The Wiki loves monuments sounds really interesting...can we spread the word via social media for us newbies? On 18 December 2011 23:01, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Prad, Noopur, I'm with you on this one. I think what we need to do is, create a category on the Commons, customise the Upload Wizard if needed, set up a committee to check for copyright violations, create a page on Meta, translate it into every language, get your cameras, phones ready, stock up on film rolls and Memory Cards, batteries, etc. See, it's that simple. Let's not wait for Chapter or Foundation, and start NOW! -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fund raising banners
2 more additions from India to the Fundraising banners. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2011#A_week_of_new_appeals_December_18.2C_2011 Akshaya Iyengar http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/L11_1215_AI/en/US Aniruddha Kumar http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/L11_1216_AK/en/US Meanwhile fundraising banners in India is down and hopefully will be up running very soon. Regards Tinu Cherian On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 4:06 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.comwrote: Hi all, Just in case, you had missed Dr. Sengai Podhuvan's Appeal to Fund raising this year. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2011#Dr._Sengai_Podhuvan_Appeal_December_10.2C_2011 http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/L11_1209_DS/en/US ( This appeal is shown only in US so far and may come to India users very soon). I was so privileged to have met him personally at the Chennai Wikimeetup2 way back in Nov 2010. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Chennai/Chennai2 Many others would have met him at Wikiconference Mumbai and he was also awarded Special mentions from Jury for NWR 2011 Sengai Podhuvan contributes primarily to Tamil Wiki, with more than 9700 edits ( 97% edits to Article main-space itself). http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name=Sengai+Podhuvanlang=tawiki=wikipedia I was also told he has started over 800+ articles in ta.wiki ( somebody correct me if i am wrong). ( http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pages/ isn't working for me) Regards Tinu Cherian ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?
hi, Since this is happening for the first time at the national level and the international level, perhaps it would be nice to not do it at the state level at all. Let all the photos come into a common pool and allow for voting that would lead to these becoming India's entries for Wiki Loves Monuments 2012. The above is how it happened in 2011 - with nations selecting their best pics and then forwarding it. I am assuming that is how it happens in 2012 at the international level as well. Ideas are welcome on: 1. How to spread the word? The central Commons page is created - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012_in_India?uselang=en-gb- and word was spread through Facebook today. Word needs to be first spread for volunteers - later, for photographers to enter into the fray. 2. How do the volunteers organize themselves? 3. How do we simultaneously improve articles on the monuments, try to reach out to local language communities of the state and encourage Wikipedian contribution from there. Counterpoint: Do we need to do this simultaneously? warm regards, Pradeep User:Prad2609 On 19 December 2011 20:51, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Throwing a few ideas since our participation tendency seems positive: 1) Can we start doing a few things in the background: compile lists of monuments? ASI already has the list for monuments of national importance, State wise: http://asi.nic.in/asi_monu_alphalist.asp 2) Let's sign up/raise hands for people who can help figure out how-to guides, do documentation and collect resources/materials so that it's easy to implement this template event anywhere? 3) Just a suggestion: Can we have a GLAM India mailing list so that for now we can keep all GLAM related, Monuments discussions on that? Keeps it neater but this is just a suggestion. As always, *me raises hand first*. I am looking around for more monument lists while you guys figure out the organization bit. :) Warmly Noopur On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Mitra sharma mittyko...@gmail.comwrote: thanks! :) On 19 December 2011 15:21, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Mitra, The simplest way to get started on the Wikipedia is to click on the Edit button. For photographs, head to http://commons.Wikimedia.org and click on Upload file on the left. Make sure you're logged in first though. Happy Editing, :-) On 12/18/11, Mitra sharma mittyko...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Noopur, Thanks for warm welcome! :) :) I'm based out of Delhi and know a few people who would love to contribute for Gujurat and Mumbai. I already am a member, how do I go about it post that? Best, Mitra On 18 December 2011 23:58, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Mitra and others, Welcome Mitra :) Here is a link to a start page: http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Loves_Monuments. I just created it for the India community. I think to sign up you might need to be a member. You can always get more info on the mailing list while we try and fix this. Do tell us which city you belong to and we can connect you to active ppl there :) Warmly Noopur On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Mitra sharma mittyko...@gmail.comwrote: Hey guys, I'm kinda new to the Wiki community, so correct me if my suggestions are out of the way. The Wiki loves monuments sounds really interesting...can we spread the word via social media for us newbies? On 18 December 2011 23:01, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Prad, Noopur, I'm with you on this one. I think what we need to do is, create a category on the Commons, customise the Upload Wizard if needed, set up a committee to check for copyright violations, create a page on Meta, translate it into every language, get your cameras, phones ready, stock up on film rolls and Memory Cards, batteries, etc. See, it's that simple. Let's not wait for Chapter or Foundation, and start NOW! -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mediawiki-uploader
Hi Shrinivasan, Is there a Windows version? I didn't realise from your post that it was a linux program. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.comwrote: Friends. Tamil Wikipedia announced a Media Contest to increase the commons media files like photos, audio and video in the wikipedia world. see the announcement here. http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contest/en To upload the photos there are two ways available so far. 1. The web based upload wizard http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard 2. Java based upload tool - Commonist http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Tools/Commonist We have to provide a detailed filename and description to the images for uploading. When we have a bunch of photos to upload, we have to select them, crop, or edit them before uploading. Found that that GThumb Image Viewer can show the files, edit the files and add IPTC tags to the images. We can view,edit,delete,rotate,crop and add the required Description and Title to the images for uploading to wikimedia commons. How to upload the files? There are two tools already. But, I wanted to plugin to any image viewer to upload to wikimedia commons directly. No image viewer has that plugin. DigiKam has it, but due to some issues, the mediawiki plugin is not released. So, I started to write my own script for uploading all the files in a folder to upload to mediawiki. Here is it. http://code.google.com/p/mediawiki-uploader/ Usage details are available in INSTALL and README files. Thanks for the wikipedia users Surya and Sodabottle for their valuable suggestions. Please report if there are any issues. Provide your suggestions for improving too. Thanks. -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My Life with GNU/Linux : http://goinggnu.wordpress.com Free/Open Source Jobs : http://fossjobs.in Get CollabNet Subversion Edge : http://www.collab.net/svnedge ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Event on online free speech on Wednesday
Gautam, I was wondering if you could get in touch with the CIS and try and organise such events in other tech based cities in India like Mysore, Hyderabad, Chennai and of course Coimbatore? -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting Outreach
Thanks Nikita for your brief report. All your points are valid. And all activities are going on If I am right. I am suggesting something new, don't know whether possible or not. It would be great if we can produce a common standard * Presentation/Brochure/Leaflet* (name it whatever suits)* *which includes all the important point,* Why One should contribute to Wikipedia* from the repository. And we can spread the leaflet everywhere. Which would be a common leaflet with *same text * to public or everyone. We can produce it without Wikipedia or Chapter Logo, would be appropriate according to policy. It should be cheap, so we can produce as many as we want and distribute everywhere like a slogan or say Tagline. We can also upload to our websites, I am sure many have their own websites and blogs. And we can also distribute those leaflets through News Paper. I don't know If Wikipedia policy allow us to do that ?? I am sure there are peoples sitting at home searching constructive works to do. We need to reach to them. Just a thought It might sounds stupid to you guys. :) or many might have already tried this before. And Srikanth I am agree with you. I too observed the same. But We have to keep trying right. :) On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Subhashish Panigrahi psubhash...@gmail.com wrote: Quite a descriptive note Nitika, and I would also request everyone to put their suggestions for improvements.modifications at http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Outreach_Program_Handbookaction=editredlink=1 So, it would be more comprehensive and useful. Best Subha On 19 December 2011 17:45, Nitika ntan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Folks, - *There were no laptops for the participants or the internet connection was weak - so I could only give a lecture on wikipedia but could not give hands-on training* - *I conducted sessions but I really don't know if anything productive came out of it since I'm not confident that anyone of the participants will actually start editing. My time is limited and I really want to figure out how to make the best use of it.* - *I keep reading that outreach sessions should be done in a fun manner - but I just don't know how to handle such a serious topic like Wikipedia in a fun manner.* - *I could not get more than 7 people to create user accounts because of the 7 per day limit for creating user logins from an single IP address - so the rest of the participants were not able to be more actively involved in the session.* - *I want to help out on outreach because I love doing it - but I'm relatively new to Wikipedia and not sure if I can convey the right messages. * - *I prepared standard presentations introducing Wikipedia and the basics of editing - but I wish I had structured material available on the difference between paraphrasing, close paraphrasing and plagiarism/copyvio. * - *I asked the participants to write down their names and email IDs so that I could stay in touch with them after the session - but could not read the handwriting of a couple of them.* - *I really want to do outreach - but I am not confident of my public speaking skills. I really wish I could help out but not sure how.* - *I got irritated preparing the presentations because I am sure many others would have already prepared these and it seem like a waste of time. * - *It would have been really good if I have left handouts for each participants so they could read and refer to them at leisure.* For all those who have conducted (or thought about) outreach sessions, do these sound familiar? I've been talking to a whole host of community members and participating in outreach session and I wanted to share some thoughts with you and to ask your help and advice. I'm a new mail thread on this because I am trying to combine some fantastic points from a series of recent, related (and somewhat related) threads http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005815.html(Srikanth R's thread on What's in it for me) http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005657.html(Pradeep's thread on improving infrastructure) http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005453.html(Arnav S' thread on help for outreach in Gujarat) http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-December/005632.html(Noopur's post on GLAM - and specfically the point that GLAM and outreach should inter-linked.) *Most of us believe that we need to attract more newbies to our projects to help our Indic projects grow and to improve Indian content on English Wikipedia. I also think that many would agree that not enough outreach is happening and that results from the outreach that is happening can be improved. I suspect that a lot more people might be interested in
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pre-announcement for Wikiwomen camp/conference in Argentina
Congrats. It seems like a great initiative, Noopur. :) I saw Beria was working on the pages for this on Meta. Good luck! Regards Theo On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, Just keeping you posted if you haven't seen the IRC log yet. A couple of women Wikipedians from Australia and Argentina chapters have been planning a Wikiwomen camp and conference in Argentina sometime in May, 2012. I know it's far away and probably the official announcement will happen sometime end of this month but I thought it's wise to keep you posted so that you can keep your respective Indic language women editors in loop. Those who might be interested in participating will have to apply for a WMF participation grant I guess and they might want to join the discussion on the other list to add Indian inputs. One part of the event (Camp) encourages women's participation only while the other invites all to contribute. Please do spread the word and encourage our Wikichix to participate too :) Drop me a mail if you want to join that mailing list. Warmly Noopur -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pre-announcement for Wikiwomen camp/conference in Argentina
More info can be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp(feel free to ask the organizers any question - the mails are in the page) _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 19 December 2011 16:36, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Congrats. It seems like a great initiative, Noopur. :) I saw Beria was working on the pages for this on Meta. Good luck! Regards Theo On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, Just keeping you posted if you haven't seen the IRC log yet. A couple of women Wikipedians from Australia and Argentina chapters have been planning a Wikiwomen camp and conference in Argentina sometime in May, 2012. I know it's far away and probably the official announcement will happen sometime end of this month but I thought it's wise to keep you posted so that you can keep your respective Indic language women editors in loop. Those who might be interested in participating will have to apply for a WMF participation grant I guess and they might want to join the discussion on the other list to add Indian inputs. One part of the event (Camp) encourages women's participation only while the other invites all to contribute. Please do spread the word and encourage our Wikichix to participate too :) Drop me a mail if you want to join that mailing list. Warmly Noopur -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects
Hi All, While testing both Lohit and Utkal has hinting problems in or wp, is that possible to keep them optional? As of now automatically the default font changes to Lohit when you open or wp, instead of that is that possible to make it optional which someone can choose the dropdown? Subha 2011/12/16 ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) viswapra...@gmail.com Praveen Prakash +1 On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 09:46, Praveen Prakash me.prav...@gmail.comwrote: There is lot to say. But i don't want to derail this thread. Pls start a new thread. On 16/12/2011, Anivar Aravind anivar.arav...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Praveen Prakash me.prav...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't seen any communication in any open platform with Malayalam Community members about this matter. A few weeks before I had a brief discussion with Santhosh about webfonts. But it was nothing about webfonts' rendering bugs. Infact, popular (and beautiful) Malayalam fonts are open licensed, but there are other rendering bugs. Issue I raised was about an unnessessory char code change doing by webfonts which I felt a propaganda pushing in favor of his idea about some characters, and which need additional scripts on both client (= additional bandwidth) and server. But Santhosh quit the thread claiming my concerns are my pure imaginations. :) Naturally thread died. Praveen Do you mean this bug ? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29005 The bug speaks itself . From a quick reading I felt what you were asking is to use not properly forked font projects in webfonts, when santhosh took a stand to use fonts them from upstream. On Normalization of characters, it is an optional feature, for visibility of some chillus , that can be disabled in user settings if needed. It perfectly makes sense for me, since dual encoding is an issue in Malayalam , and the fix need to be on Unicode . The Webfonts hack is just a positive step and optional fix to ensure, people will not be missed from accessing knowledge in wikipedia , based on browser restrictions. Anivar I know Malayalam Wikimedian 'Vssun' tried to have an open conversation on Gerard's talk page, after Gerard's notice, but didn't see any development. As far as now I know no one, who was sure about webfonts deployment on ml projects. I certainly do not want webfonts in its current form in any of the Malayalam Wikiprojects. But I want to know why Malayalam is excluded from this deployment and I want to know why such a code deployed on many other wikies. I personally don't like Santhosh's enthusiasm to fly his scripts on wikimedia servers, based on his I am correct, I am correct, I am the only correct attitude. If webfonts is too bad for your language, I urge you to file a bug for removing it. On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to test something new, either make it opt in, or don't do it live. Not on Tamil, not on Hindi, not on any Wikipedia for that matter. On 12/14/11, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote: I dont think its appropriate to be a bit more experimental. You are seeing the scale in absolute sense, we are seeing it in relative sense. Tamil Wikipedia is 7th most-viewed Tamil site. +1. Similar stats can be observed for most of the Indic language Wiki projects with sizable content as they are the only / major source of reference online for the respective languages. Ravi -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- [It is not] possible to distinguish between 'numerical' and 'nonnumerical' algorithms, as if numbers were somehow different from other kinds of precise information. - Donald Knuth ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- With love Praveen http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Praveenp:talk http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Praveenp ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 07:33, Subhashish Panigrahi
psubhash...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi All,
While testing both Lohit and Utkal has hinting problems in or wp, is that
possible to keep them optional? As of now automatically the default font
changes to Lohit when you open or wp, instead of that is that possible to
make it optional which someone can choose the dropdown?
Welcome to the world finally! Go read the bug[1] for a start. In summary
i18n team feels the purpose of extension gets defeated if its not set as
default. I tried convincing them for days it wont get defeated, but this is
a PoV debate and solution remains at heart :). If you feel having the
default fonts with hinting issue will affect many more people than it would
benefit(In case of Tamil it was over 10x), then file a bug for removing
WebFonts for or wp. But what next? 2 options.
1. If fonts are bad and have hinting issues, {{SOFIXIT}} . Suggest to
Santhosh what are the issues, where it could get better, he will try his
best and do as much as he can do. We did the same for Tamil, Lohit-Tamil is
improved than what upstream gave, but there is a limitation here as to how
much Santhosh can help since he is not a professional typographer and you
may not be satisfied very much with font even after the exercise (like we
are). There is also delivery issue which needs to be sorted if we are going
to go this way since Win 7, most linux OS dont have hinting issue but win
xp has it.
2. Get more free fonts. Look out for other free(ly licensed) fonts,
convince people to release fonts under free license.Create a new
font(Easier said than done,but its not Impossible). Beg,Borrow (no Steal
doesnt apply here :D, Acquire probably applies in case money is only thing
stopping, then a reasonable grant request might help). In short get
alternative fonts which can be used.
[1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31936#c2
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Regards
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mediawiki-uploader
is there any image viewer in windows where we can add comments and notes to images? the meta data we add is called IPTC tags. if so we can use this application in windows too. please find it and share here. thanks. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias
On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:16 PM, Theo10011 wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: This is a really useful discussion and there's a powerful idea. I agree with Ravi that there is an opportunity to build awareness and traffic to Indic language sites. While we are already seeing considerable readership of Indic languages, there's clearly a lot more that can be done to support this and also to help build Indic language communities. I also hear Theo's point that it didn't work last time, or maybe wasn't adequately measured. I'd like to suggest that - even as the technical challenges are resolved - to explore this. The first step would be finalise what the objectives are (e.g., is it basic awareness building of the existence of Indic language projects or to is it to drive readership of these projects or is it encourage more active participation in these proejcts?) The next stage would be to test different banner/notice/page design options and figure out the most appropriate solution (in the same systematic way that the WMF fundraising team tests banners and optimises the ones that work best.) If you see value and you think we need resources for this, I'm happy to see what we can do about it. (Maybe see if any of the fundraising team's people are free after the fundraiser to help with the analytics for determining what might work best?) What say? hisham ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Mailing list is created for Assamese wiki projects
Dear All, A mailing list is created to facilitate the discussions about Assamese wiki projects. The URL is https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-as Kindly subscribe if you are interested in Assamese wiki projects. Shiju Alex ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
