Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

[CherianTinu Abraham]

Unbelievable but Shocking !

I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, but a look at the edit
history of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the
interests of IIPM and its stakeholders.

He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_research&action=historysubmit&diff=475525747&oldid=475410422

Wifione seems to be working on IIM and Amity ( Competitors to IIPM)
articles as well, possibly trying to show them in bad light.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amity_University&action=historysubmit&diff=475405890&oldid=474606800

Nevertheless , this has be investigated  or possibly reported to Arb Com.

-TC


On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Pradeep Mohandas <
pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> hi,
>
> I do not understand why this accusation is written as a work of fiction.
>
> Whatever the problems faced by an individual, it does not provide
> grounds for crimes like theft. If the person does resort to these
> methods, has to face the consequences, if found out. I am sure we
> appreciated User:Nichalp's contributions when they were made. However,
> when he/she has made mistakes and makes them multiple times, I think
> this also warrants serious investigation.
>
> Pradeep
> Handheld
>
> On 07/02/2012, guptc...@ovi.com  wrote:
> >
> > This is the story of Nichalp[1], an Indian student from Mumbai who became
> > obsessed with editing Wikipedia at a young age. He transformed several
> > articles into featured articles, and became a role model for many
> editors.
> > He was granted the bureaucrat, oversight and administrator privileges -
> > nobody deserved these rights more than him, not even Jimbo.
> >
> > A major change in Nichalp's life came when he came to Australia for
> higher
> > education. Facing a severe financial crunch, Nichalp decided to use the
> only
> > extraordinary skill he had - editing Wikipedia - for making money. He
> put up
> > ads on several freelancer recruiting websites, promising to write
> articles
> > in oexchange for small amounts of money.[2] These were the days when the
> PR
> > professionals had started realizing the importance of Wikipedia. There
> were
> > many takers for Nichalp's services. With his "sockpuppet" accounts,
> Nichalp
> > made a number of contributions (many of which stand deleted now).
> >
> > Unfortunately for Nichalp, the Wikizealots live in an idealistic world.
> They
> > don't realize that, in the long run,  editors cannot be expected to
> devote
> > their time to the project for free.[3] When the Wikihounds came to know
> > about one of Nichalp's paid editing accounts they came after him. Nichalp
> > knew he would be stalked in real life, so he made his main account
> inactive.
> > Meanwhile, he continued to be active through his other paid editing
> > accounts. A man of foresight, Nichalp started another account in April
> 2009
> > to gain back his admin rights.[4]
> >
> > The Wikihounds have an astonishing ability to track the suspicious
> accounts
> > - they tracked another one of Nichalp's paid editing accouents.[5] The
> drama
> > prompted the Arbitration Committee to send him an email enquiry about the
> > paid editing concerns. Nichalp's identity was well-known to those who had
> > exposed his paid editing. The personal information that he had posted
> > earlier on his user page and elsewhere on Wikipedia (and social
> networking
> > sites) had made it easy for Wikihounds to stalk him in real life. Denial
> was
> > not an option - Nichalp knew the Wikihounds were capable of producing
> > evidence against him. Pleading not guilty would only gather more eyeballs
> > and possibly lead to media attention - that could sabotage his
> post-college
> > career. Pleading guilty was not an option either - it would lead to the
> same
> > fate. Nichalp did what he felt was the best option before him. He neither
> > accepted the charge, nor denied it. What happened next was unfortunate
> for
> >  him. Ignoring his 5-year long devotion to the project, the Arbitration
> > Committee took away his bureaucrat, administrator and oversight rights
> in an
> > unopposed judgment.[6]
> > Realizing that his paid editing accounts may be under survelliance from
> the
> > Wikihounds, Nichalp abandoned all of them. All of them, except one - the
> one
> > he had started in April 2009 with the objective of gaining back his admin
> > rights: Wifione. Nichalp carefully crafted his new wiki identity. He
> devoted
> > this new account to earning money from India's most notorious self-styled
> > "management guru". To make sure his paid editing does not appear
> blatantly
> > obvious, Nichalp (or shall we call him Wifione, now?) engaged in a wide
> > range of edits. Wifione rose up in the wiki-hierarchy and became the
> > administrator. He tried not to appear like a paid editor, but the
> constant
> > pressure from his client forced him to make constant edits to the pages
> > associa

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

[Vickram Crishna]

What is rather odd is that the 'story' is written as a defense of
Nichalp/Wifione/Wikifone. Possibly some people may have known him
personally and therefore the tone of the article.

I find the statement "They don't realize that, in the long run,  editors
cannot be expected to devote their time to the project for free.[3] ".
Realise? What does that mean? Nobody is forcing anyone to devote any time
at all to Wikipedia. What Wikipedia represents is an opportunity (among
other, better, things) for people to commit fraudulent acts, but that may
be said of almost anything material or even spiritual. If anyone doesn't
like it, they are free to relax and do something else that they find more
spiritually or materially relevant. And it is not 'they' who don't realise
(or do, we the silly naive people), it is 'us'.

As for the client, the less said the better. It remains to be seen why the
government regulators fail year after year to do anything about this sad
situation. So far, the scams do not amount to hundreds of thousands of
crores, which at least attracts CAG attention, although the impact on
India's societal health may end up being far deeper. Have they ever sued
the government or threatened to sue? Have they sued individual government
officers? - that is certainly pretty hard to do, much much harder than to
sue individual volunteer Wikimedians.

People following education issues will have noticed that minority education
institutions have soundly protested the provisions of the new Right To
Education Act. I feel such actions are partly a response the the pressure
that will now be put on privately funded teaching mills. It is a very
complex situation, but the nexus between politicians and degree
shops/moneymaking rackets is a doleful commentary on India's evolving
political landscape.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:38 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
wrote:

> Unbelievable but Shocking !
>
> I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, but a look at the edit
> history of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the
> interests of IIPM and its stakeholders.
>
> He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_research&action=historysubmit&diff=475525747&oldid=475410422
>
> Wifione seems to be working on IIM and Amity ( Competitors to IIPM)
> articles as well, possibly trying to show them in bad light.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amity_University&action=historysubmit&diff=475405890&oldid=474606800
>
> Nevertheless , this has be investigated  or possibly reported to Arb Com.
>
> -TC
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Pradeep Mohandas <
> pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> I do not understand why this accusation is written as a work of fiction.
>>
>> Whatever the problems faced by an individual, it does not provide
>> grounds for crimes like theft. If the person does resort to these
>> methods, has to face the consequences, if found out. I am sure we
>> appreciated User:Nichalp's contributions when they were made. However,
>> when he/she has made mistakes and makes them multiple times, I think
>> this also warrants serious investigation.
>>
>> Pradeep
>> Handheld
>>
>> On 07/02/2012, guptc...@ovi.com  wrote:
>> >
>> > This is the story of Nichalp[1], an Indian student from Mumbai who
>> became
>> > obsessed with editing Wikipedia at a young age. He transformed several
>> > articles into featured articles, and became a role model for many
>> editors.
>> > He was granted the bureaucrat, oversight and administrator privileges -
>> > nobody deserved these rights more than him, not even Jimbo.
>> >
>> > A major change in Nichalp's life came when he came to Australia for
>> higher
>> > education. Facing a severe financial crunch, Nichalp decided to use the
>> only
>> > extraordinary skill he had - editing Wikipedia - for making money. He
>> put up
>> > ads on several freelancer recruiting websites, promising to write
>> articles
>> > in oexchange for small amounts of money.[2] These were the days when
>> the PR
>> > professionals had started realizing the importance of Wikipedia. There
>> were
>> > many takers for Nichalp's services. With his "sockpuppet" accounts,
>> Nichalp
>> > made a number of contributions (many of which stand deleted now).
>> >
>> > Unfortunately for Nichalp, the Wikizealots live in an idealistic world.
>> They
>> > don't realize that, in the long run,  editors cannot be expected to
>> devote
>> > their time to the project for free.[3] When the Wikihounds came to know
>> > about one of Nichalp's paid editing accounts they came after him.
>> Nichalp
>> > knew he would be stalked in real life, so he made his main account
>> inactive.
>> > Meanwhile, he continued to be active through his other paid editing
>> > accounts. A man of foresight, Nichalp started another account in April
>> 2009
>> > to gain back his admin rights.[4]
>> >
>> > The Wikihounds have an astonishing ability to trac

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

[John Vandenberg]

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
 wrote:
> Unbelievable but Shocking !
>
> I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, ...

So far the evidence is not good.

> but a look at the edit history
> of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the interests
> of IIPM and its stakeholders.
>
> He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_research&action=historysubmit&diff=475525747&oldid=475410422

It looks like he re-arranged the policy a lot in that edit, but there
arnt many changes.

"trial" became "trial/litigation in any country"

and he added "independent" a few times.

"Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable
secondary source for that interpretation."

"Any interpretation of primary source material requires reliable,
independent secondary sources for that interpretation."

"'''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material
found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable
secondary sources that do so."

'''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material
found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable,
independent secondary sources that do so."

"Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from secondary sources.
Articles may make analytic or evaluative claims only if these have
been published by a reliable secondary source."

"Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from reliable secondary
sources. Articles ''may'' make an analytic or evaluative claim ''only
if'' that has been published by ''multiple'' independent, reliable
secondary sources."

> Wifione seems to be working on IIM and Amity ( Competitors to IIPM) articles
> as well, possibly trying to show them in bad light.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amity_University&action=historysubmit&diff=475405890&oldid=474606800
>
> Nevertheless , this has be investigated  or possibly reported to Arb Com.

I've alerted Arbcom as a courtesy, however a community assessment is
needed in order to determine if there is any credible link to nichalp
or any reason for a desysop.

--
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

[wheredevelsdare]

Wifione commented on  this discussion. He redacted some comments there, a few 
hours later, with this edit on WP:No Original Research - he changed "trial" to 
"trial/litigation in any country" and "published by any involved party" to 
"published/authored
 by any involved party" and also changed Book Reviews from being considered a 
secondary source to being considered a primary source. Its interesting to note 
that the changes he made in policy relate somewhat to the discussion taking 
place on an article talk page where he was involved.

Also, the following statements:

"Please provide valid sources to support this statement. MSN is not a reliable 
source." - Wifione 06:26, 3 February 2012 (UTC) (this discussion)

The MSN article is actually an article by IANS (an independent News Agency), 
carried by MSN and others like Yahoo News. 

A comment about the same Yahoo News article: ".. Yahoo link simply shows the 
opinion of Mr. Devi Singh from IIM Lucknow. 
That is a self-published statement which should not be used to make a 
definitive statement." - Wifione 19:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC) (Same discussion)

Im not commenting on the contents of the original email, the above definitely 
looks a bit out of order to me.

> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:37:01 +1100
> From: jay...@gmail.com
> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> CC: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
> 
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
>  wrote:
> > Unbelievable but Shocking !
> >
> > I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, ...
> 
> So far the evidence is not good.
> 
> > but a look at the edit history
> > of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the interests
> > of IIPM and its stakeholders.
> >
> > He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_research&action=historysubmit&diff=475525747&oldid=475410422
> 
> It looks like he re-arranged the policy a lot in that edit, but there
> arnt many changes.
> 
> "trial" became "trial/litigation in any country"
> 
> and he added "independent" a few times.
> 
> "Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable
> secondary source for that interpretation."
> 
> "Any interpretation of primary source material requires reliable,
> independent secondary sources for that interpretation."
> 
> "'''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material
> found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable
> secondary sources that do so."
> 
> '''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material
> found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable,
> independent secondary sources that do so."
> 
> "Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from secondary sources.
> Articles may make analytic or evaluative claims only if these have
> been published by a reliable secondary source."
> 
> "Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from reliable secondary
> sources. Articles ''may'' make an analytic or evaluative claim ''only
> if'' that has been published by ''multiple'' independent, reliable
> secondary sources."
> 
> > Wifione seems to be working on IIM and Amity ( Competitors to IIPM) articles
> > as well, possibly trying to show them in bad light.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amity_University&action=historysubmit&diff=475405890&oldid=474606800
> >
> > Nevertheless , this has be investigated  or possibly reported to Arb Com.
> 
> I've alerted Arbcom as a courtesy, however a community assessment is
> needed in order to determine if there is any credible link to nichalp
> or any reason for a desysop.
> 
> --
> John Vandenberg
> 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Subha,
What about the Indian English Community?

Noopur,
Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV.
We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no?

Konark,
Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this.

Ashwin,
Can I have a link please?



On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:

> Nitika & MikeLynch & some others have just begin working in this field
> and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho
> these efforts should be combined.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
> --
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar 
> wrote:
> > Hey,
> > +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing).
> > Konarak.
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530
> >> From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com
> >> To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org;
> >> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of
> Indian
> >> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
> >
> >>
> >> Hey Subhashish,
> >> I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording
> >> such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some
> >> suggestions for community members:
> >>
> >> 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself
> >> 2) It could be one single person saying "I edit wikipedia" or a group.
> >> More than 1 is welcome
> >> 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in room with
> >> LESS noise and MORE light
> >> 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while editing we
> >> don't have to convert and lose quality.
> >> 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone) camera :P
> >> Just try and minimize shaking.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Noopur
> >>
> >> 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi :
> >> > Deal all,
> >> >
> >> > As a part of helping the community to reach out to more people apart
> >> > from
> >> > the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support we also
> have
> >> > need
> >> > for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian Wikipedians
> >> > sharing
> >> > their message "I EDIT WIKIPEDIA" or "I EDIT AN INDIAN LANGUAGE
> >> > WIKIPEDIA" or
> >> > "WIKIPEDIA IS HELPING ME DOCUMENTING MY HERITAGE" will create impact
> >> > among
> >> > people and motivate them to contribute to Wikipedia. Many people use
> >> > Wikipedia in a daily basis without being aware of they can also [Edit]
> >> > it,
> >> > social media, Youtube, mails containing link to such a video can be
> used
> >> > to
> >> > reach this message to them. Moreover, such videos which are already
> >> > there in
> >> > Outreach (outreach.wikimedia.org) Bookshelf might make some people
> feel
> >> > it's
> >> > project being managed by some foreigners. Seeing some real Indians
> >> > editing
> >> > Wikipedia with the Main page of an Indian language background will
> >> > definitely make this message clearer.
> >> >
> >> > If there is a fairly good no of community members located in anywhere
> in
> >> > India (e.g Pune, Bangalore and Mumbai community) we can ask the
> >> > community
> >> > members say it altogether aloud apart from one/two community members
> >> > speaking in their own language. I will be posting the details in the
> >> > community village pumps, you are allowed to send as many people's
> >> > footage as
> >> > you can provided the video and audio quality are reasonable good. We
> >> > will be
> >> > collecting footage from all the communities and do a post production.
> >> >
> >> > Subha
> >> > Community & Program Support, India Program
> >> > Wikimedia Foundation
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> Student
> >> Arts and Aesthetics
> >> Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi
> >> Ph: 9650567690
> >>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Letters of authority or press cards (was: Backup for Wikipedians)

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Excellent Suggestion Praveen, +1.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:23 PM, praveenp  wrote:

> If this get implemented with enough background check with rigid
> criteria like credible 300 uploads/3000 edits +1 yr active
> participation in any indian lang wiki project so as active users can
> get full advantage, it will be great. Such a criteria will help to
> keep self proclaimed or self appointed wikipedia enthusiasists away
> from taking over wikimedians or misusing wikipedia photographer
> status.
>
> On 07/02/2012, Konarak Ratnakar  wrote:
> >
> > Agree with Srikanth, as I can't join the chapter because I'm underage.
> >
> > Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 02:49:39 -0800
> > From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com
> > To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Letters of authority or press cards (was:
> > Backup for Wikipedians)
> >
> > I agree with fae about the entire issue.
> > Last week, there was an Academy in Coimbatore at the Amrita University
> where
> > I was denied entry as my ID card didn't state Wikipedia.
> >
> > For Commons, this may not be of much use. Most Police men chase us away
> for
> > pulling out a Camera in Public.
> >
> >
> > However, I do not see this reaching non members of the chapter,
> especially
> > the under age ones like Vibhijain, or others.
> > Re,
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Vickram Crishna <
> vvcris...@radiophony.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Further to Theo's suggestion (inline below)
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Theo10011  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Great suggestion Fae.
> > As Srikanth correctly pointed it out, such an ID would be under the
> content
> > scope, which neither the chapter or the WMF India operations have any
> > jurisdiction over.
> >
> >
> >
> > I remember a couple of years ago, Wikinews tried this for their active
> > editors, offering to print them 'official reporter' IDs. It was an idea
> at
> > the time, and I'm not sure if they actually implemented it or not.
> >
> >
> >
> > For photographers, this would be the commons community. This shouldn't be
> > too hard, I suggest someone mentioning the political situation and
> > suggesting this for commons photographers in the VP. The great thing is
> > since, it would be the community who would award it, there is little or
> no
> > direct liability to an official body. There should however be a
> contribution
> > record or an endorsement from someone to print these out.
> >
> >
> >
> > One thing the chapter can do however, is offer a special
> > member/photographers ID to the existing members. This could be at a
> > surcharge so they don't undertake any expense- they can print out plastic
> > IDs with photos, and membership detail of the existing members. This ID
> > might be able to suffice for the purpose.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't think that the card should necessarily be printed at a
> centralised
> > location. In fact, I don't even think this is desirable (from security
> and
> > logistics viewpoints). It should be fairly simple to 'approve' a request
> for
> > accreditation (framework discussed already), then lead to a web-based
> > one-time card generator that the user can print and laminate herself. In
> > case of problems printing, the user should have a fallback option to
> report
> > the failure, in order to enable a second attempt for the card to be
> printed.
> >
> >
> >  Regards
> > Theo
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:15 PM, CherianTinu Abraham <
> tinucher...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > The chapter can officially decide it only after a discussion within
> Board ,
> > SIG leadership and the members.
> >
> > But on a personal level, I agree with Anirudh's view on this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Since it brings strong accountability for the chapter on the use of the
> ID
> > by the recipients , this has to be done with caution and utmost care.
> >
> >
> > May be we can set up an empowered committee to review such requests and
> > grant them.  ( just a suggestion)
> > Nevertheless, IMHO, such id cards should be issued to "only trusted
> > Wikimedians" with a substantial amount of history with our projects and
> > mission.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Tinu Cherian
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Ashwin Baindur  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We do need a Chapter EC Board member to respond to this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Ashwin Baindur
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Anirudh Bhati 
> wrote:
> >
> >> The question whether the Chapter will help someone if they get into some
> >
> >> sort of trouble with the authorities is an important one and should be
> >
> >> addressed.  Once a letter of authority is issued to a volunteer, the
> >
> >> chapter's reputation and credibility is on the line.  Therefore, the
> >> chapter
> >
> >> must endeavor to only approve those members who have a substantial
> amount
> >> of
> >
> >> history with o

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

IT is sad, but true about what happened to Nicholas. While the edits by
WifiOne are clearly CoI based, for now I choose to disconnect the user from
Nichalp in my POV.
Nicholas was the ideal Role model for us back in 2007-8-9. He churned out
articles of good quality like no one.
It was indeed sad that he had to resort to what he did.
It proves that a man is remembered more for what evil deeds he does and not
what good he does.
Few people would know that Nichalp was the original uploader of Indian maps
on Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons.

As for the IIPM related edits, yes, not just WifiOne, but another editor,
who replied to the Talk page of the 'Management Guru', seem to be doing
what it takes from keeping others from editing that article.
Said user believes that I, or User:Utcursh shouldn't edit the article AS:
i] I tweeted negatively about IIPM.
ii] Utcursh is from another Business School an thus has a CoI.
This resulted in MikeLynch taking a neutral stand on the talk page which
resulted in the said user voting against in Mike's RfA, [and again, blaming
it ON me!]

I think we need a special talk about this IIPM matter on the English
mailing list.


On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:20 AM,  wrote:

>  Wifione commented on  this 
> discussion.
> He redacted some comments there, a few hours later, with this 
> editon
>  WP:No Original Research - he changed "trial" to "trial/litigation
> in any country" and "published by any involved party" to "published
> /authored by any involved party" and also changed Book Reviews from being
> considered a secondary source to being considered a primary source. Its
> interesting to note that the changes he made in policy relate somewhat to
> the discussion taking place on an article talk page where he was involved.
>
> Also, the following statements:
>
> "Please provide valid sources to support this statement. MSN is not a
> reliable source." - Wifione 06:26, 3 February 2012 (UTC) (this 
> discussion
> )
>
> The MSN 
> articleis
>  actually an article by IANS (an independent News Agency), carried by MSN
> and others like Yahoo 
> News.
>
>
> A comment about the same Yahoo News article: ".. Yahoo link simply shows
> the opinion of Mr. Devi Singh from IIM Lucknow. That is a self-published
> statement which should not be used to make a definitive statement." -
> Wifione 19:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC) (Same discussion)
>
> Im not commenting on the contents of the original email, the above
> definitely looks a bit out of order to me.
>
> > Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:37:01 +1100
> > From: jay...@gmail.com
> > To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > CC: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
>
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
> >  wrote:
> > > Unbelievable but Shocking !
> > >
> > > I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, ...
> >
> > So far the evidence is not good.
> >
> > > but a look at the edit history
> > > of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the
> interests
> > > of IIPM and its stakeholders.
> > >
> > > He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause
> > >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_research&action=historysubmit&diff=475525747&oldid=475410422
> >
> > It looks like he re-arranged the policy a lot in that edit, but there
> > arnt many changes.
> >
> > "trial" became "trial/litigation in any country"
> >
> > and he added "independent" a few times.
> >
> > "Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable
> > secondary source for that interpretation."
> >
> > "Any interpretation of primary source material requires reliable,
> > independent secondary sources for that interpretation."
> >
> > "'''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material
> > found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable
> > secondary sources that do so."
> >
> > '''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material
> > found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable,
> > independent secondary sources that do so."
> >
> > "Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from secondary sources.
> > Articles may make analytic or evaluative claims only if these have
> > been published by a reliable secondary source."
> >
> > "Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from reliable secondary
> > sources. Articles ''may'' make an analytic or evaluative claim ''only
> > if'' that has been pub

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

[Konarak Ratnakar]

What if he's monitoring all India related lists and the related discussions?
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 02:51:33 -0800
From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

IT is sad, but true about what happened to Nicholas. While the edits by WifiOne 
are clearly CoI based, for now I choose to disconnect the user from Nichalp in 
my POV.
Nicholas was the ideal Role model for us back in 2007-8-9. He churned out 
articles of good quality like no one.

It was indeed sad that he had to resort to what he did.
It proves that a man is remembered more for what evil deeds he does and not 
what good he does.
Few people would know that Nichalp was the original uploader of Indian maps on 
Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons.


As for the IIPM related edits, yes, not just WifiOne, but another editor, who 
replied to the Talk page of the 'Management Guru', seem to be doing what it 
takes from keeping others from editing that article.

Said user believes that I, or User:Utcursh shouldn't edit the article AS:
i] I tweeted negatively about IIPM.
ii] Utcursh is from another Business School an thus has a CoI.
This resulted in MikeLynch taking a neutral stand on the talk page which 
resulted in the said user voting against in Mike's RfA, [and again, blaming it 
ON me!]


I think we need a special talk about this IIPM matter on the English mailing 
list.


On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:20 AM,   wrote:








Wifione commented on  this discussion. He redacted some comments there, a few 
hours later, with this edit on WP:No Original Research - he changed "trial" to 
"trial/litigation in any country" and "published by any involved party" to 
"published/authored
 by any involved party" and also changed Book Reviews from being considered a 
secondary source to being considered a primary source. Its interesting to note 
that the changes he made in policy relate somewhat to the discussion taking 
place on an article talk page where he was involved.


Also, the following statements:

"Please provide valid sources to support this statement. MSN is not a reliable 
source." - Wifione 06:26, 3 February 2012 (UTC) (this discussion)


The MSN article is actually an article by IANS (an independent News Agency), 
carried by MSN and others like Yahoo News. 


A comment about the same Yahoo News article: ".. Yahoo link simply shows the 
opinion of Mr. Devi Singh from IIM Lucknow. 
That is a self-published statement which should not be used to make a 
definitive statement." - Wifione 19:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC) (Same discussion)

Im not commenting on the contents of the original email, the above definitely 
looks a bit out of order to me.


> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:37:01 +1100
> From: jay...@gmail.com
> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

> CC: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

> 
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
>  wrote:
> > Unbelievable but Shocking !

> >
> > I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, ...
> 
> So far the evidence is not good.
> 
> > but a look at the edit history
> > of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the interests

> > of IIPM and its stakeholders.
> >
> > He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_research&action=historysubmit&diff=475525747&oldid=475410422

> 
> It looks like he re-arranged the policy a lot in that edit, but there
> arnt many changes.
> 
> "trial" became "trial/litigation in any country"
> 
> and he added "independent" a few times.

> 
> "Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable
> secondary source for that interpretation."
> 
> "Any interpretation of primary source material requires reliable,

> independent secondary sources for that interpretation."
> 
> "'''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material
> found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable

> secondary sources that do so."
> 
> '''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material
> found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable,

> independent secondary sources that do so."
> 
> "Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from secondary sources.
> Articles may make analytic or evaluative claims only if these have

> been published by a reliable secondary source."
> 
> "Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from reliable secondary
> sources. Articles ''may'' make an analytic or evaluative claim ''only

> if'' that has been published by ''multiple'' independent, reliable
> secondary sources."
> 
> > Wifione seems to be working on IIM and Amity ( Competitors to IIPM) articles

> > as well, possibly trying to show them in bad light.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amity_University&action=historysubmit&diff=475405890&oldid=474606800

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

He's free to monitor them.
What is important is how the community develops a consensus about the said
matter.


On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:56 AM, Konarak Ratnakar wrote:

>  What if he's monitoring all India related lists and the related
> discussions?
>
> --
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 02:51:33 -0800
> From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com
> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
>
> IT is sad, but true about what happened to Nicholas. While the edits by
> WifiOne are clearly CoI based, for now I choose to disconnect the user from
> Nichalp in my POV.
> Nicholas was the ideal Role model for us back in 2007-8-9. He churned out
> articles of good quality like no one.
> It was indeed sad that he had to resort to what he did.
> It proves that a man is remembered more for what evil deeds he does and
> not what good he does.
> Few people would know that Nichalp was the original uploader of Indian
> maps on Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons.
>
> As for the IIPM related edits, yes, not just WifiOne, but another editor,
> who replied to the Talk page of the 'Management Guru', seem to be doing
> what it takes from keeping others from editing that article.
> Said user believes that I, or User:Utcursh shouldn't edit the article AS:
> i] I tweeted negatively about IIPM.
> ii] Utcursh is from another Business School an thus has a CoI.
> This resulted in MikeLynch taking a neutral stand on the talk page which
> resulted in the said user voting against in Mike's RfA, [and again, blaming
> it ON me!]
>
> I think we need a special talk about this IIPM matter on the English
> mailing list.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:20 AM,  wrote:
>
>  Wifione commented on  this 
> discussion.
> He redacted some comments there, a few hours later, with this 
> editon
>  WP:No Original Research - he changed "trial" to "trial/litigation
> in any country" and "published by any involved party" to "published
> /authored by any involved party" and also changed Book Reviews from being
> considered a secondary source to being considered a primary source. Its
> interesting to note that the changes he made in policy relate somewhat to
> the discussion taking place on an article talk page where he was involved.
>
> Also, the following statements:
>
> "Please provide valid sources to support this statement. MSN is not a
> reliable source." - Wifione 06:26, 3 February 2012 (UTC) (this 
> discussion
> )
>
> The MSN 
> articleis
>  actually an article by IANS (an independent News Agency), carried by MSN
> and others like Yahoo 
> News.
>
>
> A comment about the same Yahoo News article: ".. Yahoo link simply shows
> the opinion of Mr. Devi Singh from IIM Lucknow. That is a self-published
> statement which should not be used to make a definitive statement." -
> Wifione 19:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC) (Same discussion)
>
> Im not commenting on the contents of the original email, the above
> definitely looks a bit out of order to me.
>
> > Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:37:01 +1100
> > From: jay...@gmail.com
> > To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > CC: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
>
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
> >  wrote:
> > > Unbelievable but Shocking !
> > >
> > > I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, ...
> >
> > So far the evidence is not good.
> >
> > > but a look at the edit history
> > > of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the
> interests
> > > of IIPM and its stakeholders.
> > >
> > > He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause
> > >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_research&action=historysubmit&diff=475525747&oldid=475410422
> >
> > It looks like he re-arranged the policy a lot in that edit, but there
> > arnt many changes.
> >
> > "trial" became "trial/litigation in any country"
> >
> > and he added "independent" a few times.
> >
> > "Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable
> > secondary source for that interpretation."
> >
> > "Any interpretation of primary source material requires reliable,
> > independent secondary sources for that interpretation."
> >
> > "'''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material
> > found in a pri

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"

[Konarak Ratnakar]

Srikanth,The Theora (.ogv) format you are talking about, I don't think has a 
good quality, instead we should use Matroska (.mkv).
Konarak Ratnakar.
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 02:35:40 -0800
From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian 
Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"

Subha,
What about the Indian English Community?

Noopur,
Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV. 
We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no?


Konark, 
Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this.

Ashwin,
Can I have a link please?



On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur  wrote:

Nitika & MikeLynch & some others have just begin working in this field

and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho

these efforts should be combined.



Warm regards,



Ashwin Baindur

--







On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar  wrote:

> Hey,

> +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing).

> Konarak.

>

>> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530

>> From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com

>> To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org;

>> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

>> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian

>> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"

>

>>

>> Hey Subhashish,

>> I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording

>> such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some

>> suggestions for community members:

>>

>> 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself

>> 2) It could be one single person saying "I edit wikipedia" or a group.

>> More than 1 is welcome

>> 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in room with

>> LESS noise and MORE light

>> 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while editing we

>> don't have to convert and lose quality.

>> 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone) camera :P

>> Just try and minimize shaking.

>>

>> Cheers

>> Noopur

>>

>> 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi :

>> > Deal all,

>> >

>> > As a part of helping the community to reach out to more people apart

>> > from

>> > the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support we also have

>> > need

>> > for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian Wikipedians

>> > sharing

>> > their message "I EDIT WIKIPEDIA" or "I EDIT AN INDIAN LANGUAGE

>> > WIKIPEDIA" or

>> > "WIKIPEDIA IS HELPING ME DOCUMENTING MY HERITAGE" will create impact

>> > among

>> > people and motivate them to contribute to Wikipedia. Many people use

>> > Wikipedia in a daily basis without being aware of they can also [Edit]

>> > it,

>> > social media, Youtube, mails containing link to such a video can be used

>> > to

>> > reach this message to them. Moreover, such videos which are already

>> > there in

>> > Outreach (outreach.wikimedia.org) Bookshelf might make some people feel

>> > it's

>> > project being managed by some foreigners. Seeing some real Indians

>> > editing

>> > Wikipedia with the Main page of an Indian language background will

>> > definitely make this message clearer.

>> >

>> > If there is a fairly good no of community members located in anywhere in

>> > India (e.g Pune, Bangalore and Mumbai community) we can ask the

>> > community

>> > members say it altogether aloud apart from one/two community members

>> > speaking in their own language. I will be posting the details in the

>> > community village pumps, you are allowed to send as many people's

>> > footage as

>> > you can provided the video and audio quality are reasonable good. We

>> > will be

>> > collecting footage from all the communities and do a post production.

>> >

>> > Subha

>> > Community & Program Support, India Program

>> > Wikimedia Foundation

>> >

>> >

>> > ___

>> > Wikimedia-in-en mailing list

>> > wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org

>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en

>> >

>>

>>

>>

>> --

>> Noopur Raval

>> Student

>> Arts and Aesthetics

>> Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi

>> Ph: 9650567690

>>

>> ___

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

The issue is not of quality, but of the format itself.
OGV is an open format, and hence all videos on the Commons are also in the
OGV format. Correspondingly, all audio is used in OGG.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Konarak Ratnakar wrote:

>  Srikanth,
> The Theora (.ogv) format you are talking about, I don't think has a good
> quality, instead we should use Matroska (.mkv).
> Konarak Ratnakar.
> --
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 02:35:40 -0800
> From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com
> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian
> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
>
> Subha,
> What about the Indian English Community?
>
> Noopur,
> Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV.
> We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no?
>
> Konark,
> Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this.
>
> Ashwin,
> Can I have a link please?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur 
> wrote:
>
> Nitika & MikeLynch & some others have just begin working in this field
> and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho
> these efforts should be combined.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
> --
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar 
> wrote:
> > Hey,
> > +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing).
> > Konarak.
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530
> >> From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com
> >> To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org;
> >> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of
> Indian
> >> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
> >
> >>
> >> Hey Subhashish,
> >> I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording
> >> such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some
> >> suggestions for community members:
> >>
> >> 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself
> >> 2) It could be one single person saying "I edit wikipedia" or a group.
> >> More than 1 is welcome
> >> 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in room with
> >> LESS noise and MORE light
> >> 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while editing we
> >> don't have to convert and lose quality.
> >> 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone) camera :P
> >> Just try and minimize shaking.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Noopur
> >>
> >> 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi :
> >> > Deal all,
> >> >
> >> > As a part of helping the community to reach out to more people apart
> >> > from
> >> > the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support we also
> have
> >> > need
> >> > for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian Wikipedians
> >> > sharing
> >> > their message "I EDIT WIKIPEDIA" or "I EDIT AN INDIAN LANGUAGE
> >> > WIKIPEDIA" or
> >> > "WIKIPEDIA IS HELPING ME DOCUMENTING MY HERITAGE" will create impact
> >> > among
> >> > people and motivate them to contribute to Wikipedia. Many people use
> >> > Wikipedia in a daily basis without being aware of they can also [Edit]
> >> > it,
> >> > social media, Youtube, mails containing link to such a video can be
> used
> >> > to
> >> > reach this message to them. Moreover, such videos which are already
> >> > there in
> >> > Outreach (outreach.wikimedia.org) Bookshelf might make some people
> feel
> >> > it's
> >> > project being managed by some foreigners. Seeing some real Indians
> >> > editing
> >> > Wikipedia with the Main page of an Indian language background will
> >> > definitely make this message clearer.
> >> >
> >> > If there is a fairly good no of community members located in anywhere
> in
> >> > India (e.g Pune, Bangalore and Mumbai community) we can ask the
> >> > community
> >> > members say it altogether aloud apart from one/two community members
> >> > speaking in their own language. I will be posting the details in the
> >> > community village pumps, you are allowed to send as many people's
> >> > footage as
> >> > you can provided the video and audio quality are reasonable good. We
> >> > will be
> >> > collecting footage from all the communities and do a post production.
> >> >
> >> > Subha
> >> > Community & Program Support, India Program
> >> > Wikimedia Foundation
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ___
> >> > Wikimedia-in-en mailing list
> >> > wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Noopur Raval
> >> Student
> >> Arts and Aesthetics
> >> Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi
> >> Ph: 9650567690
> >>
> >> ___
> >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
> >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
> >
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"

[Subhashish Panigrahi]

Here are the answers I have to all of you.
@Noopur: nice points, I am including them all and here is draft for the
community which I will be posting in the respective Wikipedia Village
pumps. (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Subha_WMF/sandbox1)
@Ashwin, the videos you, Nitika and Swaroop are working will be hardcore
outreach videos to teach how to edit Wikipedia.
@Konarak, thanks a lot buddy, let us get the footages and we would
definitely seek your support for the post production. Moover, we would be
more than happy if you lead the event to get the videos done in your place
from the community members.
@Srikanth, the final video will be in Commons and obviously with .ogv
format. But the raw footage will be in .mov/avi/mpeg, they are the formats
used before editing. After editing we will convert the final video into
.ogv.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Subha,
> What about the Indian English Community?
>
> Noopur,
> Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV.
> We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no?
>
> Konark,
> Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this.
>
> Ashwin,
> Can I have a link please?
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur 
> wrote:
>
>> Nitika & MikeLynch & some others have just begin working in this field
>> and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho
>> these efforts should be combined.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Ashwin Baindur
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar 
>> wrote:
>> > Hey,
>> > +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing).
>> > Konarak.
>> >
>> >> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530
>> >> From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com
>> >> To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org;
>> >> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of
>> Indian
>> >> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Hey Subhashish,
>> >> I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording
>> >> such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some
>> >> suggestions for community members:
>> >>
>> >> 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself
>> >> 2) It could be one single person saying "I edit wikipedia" or a group.
>> >> More than 1 is welcome
>> >> 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in room with
>> >> LESS noise and MORE light
>> >> 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while editing we
>> >> don't have to convert and lose quality.
>> >> 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone) camera :P
>> >> Just try and minimize shaking.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >> Noopur
>> >>
>> >> 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi :
>> >> > Deal all,
>> >> >
>> >> > As a part of helping the community to reach out to more people apart
>> >> > from
>> >> > the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support we also
>> have
>> >> > need
>> >> > for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian Wikipedians
>> >> > sharing
>> >> > their message "I EDIT WIKIPEDIA" or "I EDIT AN INDIAN LANGUAGE
>> >> > WIKIPEDIA" or
>> >> > "WIKIPEDIA IS HELPING ME DOCUMENTING MY HERITAGE" will create impact
>> >> > among
>> >> > people and motivate them to contribute to Wikipedia. Many people use
>> >> > Wikipedia in a daily basis without being aware of they can also
>> [Edit]
>> >> > it,
>> >> > social media, Youtube, mails containing link to such a video can be
>> used
>> >> > to
>> >> > reach this message to them. Moreover, such videos which are already
>> >> > there in
>> >> > Outreach (outreach.wikimedia.org) Bookshelf might make some people
>> feel
>> >> > it's
>> >> > project being managed by some foreigners. Seeing some real Indians
>> >> > editing
>> >> > Wikipedia with the Main page of an Indian language background will
>> >> > definitely make this message clearer.
>> >> >
>> >> > If there is a fairly good no of community members located in
>> anywhere in
>> >> > India (e.g Pune, Bangalore and Mumbai community) we can ask the
>> >> > community
>> >> > members say it altogether aloud apart from one/two community members
>> >> > speaking in their own language. I will be posting the details in the
>> >> > community village pumps, you are allowed to send as many people's
>> >> > footage as
>> >> > you can provided the video and audio quality are reasonable good. We
>> >> > will be
>> >> > collecting footage from all the communities and do a post production.
>> >> >
>> >> > Subha
>> >> > Community & Program Support, India Program
>> >> > Wikimedia Foundation
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ___
>> >> > Wikimedia-in-en mailing list
>> >> > wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org
>> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Noopur Raval
>> >> Student
>> 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

And what about participation of the Indian English Community?


On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi wrote:

> Here are the answers I have to all of you.
> @Noopur: nice points, I am including them all and here is draft for the
> community which I will be posting in the respective Wikipedia Village
> pumps. (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Subha_WMF/sandbox1)
> @Ashwin, the videos you, Nitika and Swaroop are working will be hardcore
> outreach videos to teach how to edit Wikipedia.
> @Konarak, thanks a lot buddy, let us get the footages and we would
> definitely seek your support for the post production. Moover, we would be
> more than happy if you lead the event to get the videos done in your place
> from the community members.
> @Srikanth, the final video will be in Commons and obviously with .ogv
> format. But the raw footage will be in .mov/avi/mpeg, they are the formats
> used before editing. After editing we will convert the final video into
> .ogv.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Subha,
>> What about the Indian English Community?
>>
>> Noopur,
>> Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV.
>> We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no?
>>
>> Konark,
>> Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this.
>>
>> Ashwin,
>> Can I have a link please?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nitika & MikeLynch & some others have just begin working in this field
>>> and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho
>>> these efforts should be combined.
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hey,
>>> > +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing).
>>> > Konarak.
>>> >
>>> >> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530
>>> >> From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com
>>> >> To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org;
>>> >> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of
>>> Indian
>>> >> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Hey Subhashish,
>>> >> I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording
>>> >> such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some
>>> >> suggestions for community members:
>>> >>
>>> >> 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself
>>> >> 2) It could be one single person saying "I edit wikipedia" or a group.
>>> >> More than 1 is welcome
>>> >> 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in room with
>>> >> LESS noise and MORE light
>>> >> 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while editing we
>>> >> don't have to convert and lose quality.
>>> >> 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone) camera :P
>>> >> Just try and minimize shaking.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers
>>> >> Noopur
>>> >>
>>> >> 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi :
>>> >> > Deal all,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > As a part of helping the community to reach out to more people apart
>>> >> > from
>>> >> > the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support we also
>>> have
>>> >> > need
>>> >> > for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian Wikipedians
>>> >> > sharing
>>> >> > their message "I EDIT WIKIPEDIA" or "I EDIT AN INDIAN LANGUAGE
>>> >> > WIKIPEDIA" or
>>> >> > "WIKIPEDIA IS HELPING ME DOCUMENTING MY HERITAGE" will create impact
>>> >> > among
>>> >> > people and motivate them to contribute to Wikipedia. Many people use
>>> >> > Wikipedia in a daily basis without being aware of they can also
>>> [Edit]
>>> >> > it,
>>> >> > social media, Youtube, mails containing link to such a video can be
>>> used
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > reach this message to them. Moreover, such videos which are already
>>> >> > there in
>>> >> > Outreach (outreach.wikimedia.org) Bookshelf might make some people
>>> feel
>>> >> > it's
>>> >> > project being managed by some foreigners. Seeing some real Indians
>>> >> > editing
>>> >> > Wikipedia with the Main page of an Indian language background will
>>> >> > definitely make this message clearer.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > If there is a fairly good no of community members located in
>>> anywhere in
>>> >> > India (e.g Pune, Bangalore and Mumbai community) we can ask the
>>> >> > community
>>> >> > members say it altogether aloud apart from one/two community members
>>> >> > speaking in their own language. I will be posting the details in the
>>> >> > community village pumps, you are allowed to send as many people's
>>> >> > footage as
>>> >> > you can provided the video and audio quality are reasonable good. We
>>> >> > will be
>>> >> > collecting footage from all the communities and do a post
>>> production.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Subha
>>> >> > Community & Program Support, India Program
>>> >> > Wikimedia Foundation
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"

[Subhashish Panigrahi]

Yes, they are also being invited to participated, it's about Indian Editors
and Indian faces.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And what about participation of the Indian English Community?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi 
> wrote:
>
>> Here are the answers I have to all of you.
>> @Noopur: nice points, I am including them all and here is draft for the
>> community which I will be posting in the respective Wikipedia Village
>> pumps. (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Subha_WMF/sandbox1)
>> @Ashwin, the videos you, Nitika and Swaroop are working will be hardcore
>> outreach videos to teach how to edit Wikipedia.
>> @Konarak, thanks a lot buddy, let us get the footages and we would
>> definitely seek your support for the post production. Moover, we would be
>> more than happy if you lead the event to get the videos done in your place
>> from the community members.
>> @Srikanth, the final video will be in Commons and obviously with .ogv
>> format. But the raw footage will be in .mov/avi/mpeg, they are the formats
>> used before editing. After editing we will convert the final video into
>> .ogv.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
>> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Subha,
>>> What about the Indian English Community?
>>>
>>> Noopur,
>>> Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV.
>>> We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no?
>>>
>>> Konark,
>>> Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this.
>>>
>>> Ashwin,
>>> Can I have a link please?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur >> > wrote:
>>>
 Nitika & MikeLynch & some others have just begin working in this field
 and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho
 these efforts should be combined.

 Warm regards,

 Ashwin Baindur
 --



 On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar 
 wrote:
 > Hey,
 > +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing).
 > Konarak.
 >
 >> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530
 >> From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com
 >> To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org;
 >> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of
 Indian
 >> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
 >
 >>
 >> Hey Subhashish,
 >> I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording
 >> such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some
 >> suggestions for community members:
 >>
 >> 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself
 >> 2) It could be one single person saying "I edit wikipedia" or a
 group.
 >> More than 1 is welcome
 >> 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in room
 with
 >> LESS noise and MORE light
 >> 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while editing we
 >> don't have to convert and lose quality.
 >> 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone) camera
 :P
 >> Just try and minimize shaking.
 >>
 >> Cheers
 >> Noopur
 >>
 >> 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi :
 >> > Deal all,
 >> >
 >> > As a part of helping the community to reach out to more people
 apart
 >> > from
 >> > the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support we also
 have
 >> > need
 >> > for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian Wikipedians
 >> > sharing
 >> > their message "I EDIT WIKIPEDIA" or "I EDIT AN INDIAN LANGUAGE
 >> > WIKIPEDIA" or
 >> > "WIKIPEDIA IS HELPING ME DOCUMENTING MY HERITAGE" will create
 impact
 >> > among
 >> > people and motivate them to contribute to Wikipedia. Many people
 use
 >> > Wikipedia in a daily basis without being aware of they can also
 [Edit]
 >> > it,
 >> > social media, Youtube, mails containing link to such a video can
 be used
 >> > to
 >> > reach this message to them. Moreover, such videos which are already
 >> > there in
 >> > Outreach (outreach.wikimedia.org) Bookshelf might make some
 people feel
 >> > it's
 >> > project being managed by some foreigners. Seeing some real Indians
 >> > editing
 >> > Wikipedia with the Main page of an Indian language background will
 >> > definitely make this message clearer.
 >> >
 >> > If there is a fairly good no of community members located in
 anywhere in
 >> > India (e.g Pune, Bangalore and Mumbai community) we can ask the
 >> > community
 >> > members say it altogether aloud apart from one/two community
 members
 >> > speaking in their own language. I will be posting the details in
 the
 >> > community village pumps, you are

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"

[Konarak Ratnakar]

Hey Srikanth, that's fine by me, twas just a suggestion, because in .ogv there 
is loss of quality due to compression. 
Subhashish, I will, in the Meetup, it's on 19th of feb. Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 
17:10:39 +0530
From: su...@wikimedia.org
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian 
Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"

Yes, they are also being invited to participated, it's about Indian Editors and 
Indian faces.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 wrote:

And what about participation of the Indian English Community?



On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi  
wrote:

Here are the answers I have to all of you.@Noopur: nice points, I am including 
them all and here is draft for the community which I will be posting in the 
respective Wikipedia Village pumps. 
(http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Subha_WMF/sandbox1)




@Ashwin, the videos you, Nitika and Swaroop are working will be hardcore 
outreach videos to teach how to edit Wikipedia.@Konarak, thanks a lot buddy, 
let us get the footages and we would definitely seek your support for the post 
production. Moover, we would be more than happy if you lead the event to get 
the videos done in your place from the community members.



@Srikanth, the final video will be in Commons and obviously with .ogv format. 
But the raw footage will be in .mov/avi/mpeg, they are the formats used before 
editing. After editing we will convert the final video into .ogv.




On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 wrote:



Subha,
What about the Indian English Community?

Noopur,
Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV. 






We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no?


Konark, 
Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this.

Ashwin,
Can I have a link please?



On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur  wrote:







Nitika & MikeLynch & some others have just begin working in this field

and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho

these efforts should be combined.



Warm regards,



Ashwin Baindur

--







On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar  wrote:

> Hey,

> +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing).

> Konarak.

>

>> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530

>> From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com

>> To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org;

>> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

>> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian

>> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"

>

>>

>> Hey Subhashish,

>> I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording

>> such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some

>> suggestions for community members:

>>

>> 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself

>> 2) It could be one single person saying "I edit wikipedia" or a group.

>> More than 1 is welcome

>> 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in room with

>> LESS noise and MORE light

>> 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while editing we

>> don't have to convert and lose quality.

>> 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone) camera :P

>> Just try and minimize shaking.

>>

>> Cheers

>> Noopur

>>

>> 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi :

>> > Deal all,

>> >

>> > As a part of helping the community to reach out to more people apart

>> > from

>> > the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support we also have

>> > need

>> > for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian Wikipedians

>> > sharing

>> > their message "I EDIT WIKIPEDIA" or "I EDIT AN INDIAN LANGUAGE

>> > WIKIPEDIA" or

>> > "WIKIPEDIA IS HELPING ME DOCUMENTING MY HERITAGE" will create impact

>> > among

>> > people and motivate them to contribute to Wikipedia. Many people use

>> > Wikipedia in a daily basis without being aware of they can also [Edit]

>> > it,

>> > social media, Youtube, mails containing link to such a video can be used

>> > to

>> > reach this message to them. Moreover, such videos which are already

>> > there in

>> > Outreach (outreach.wikimedia.org) Bookshelf might make some people feel

>> > it's

>> > project being managed by some foreigners. Seeing some real Indians

>> > editing

>> > Wikipedia with the Main page of an Indian language background will

>> > definitely make this message clearer.

>> >

>> > If there is a fairly good no of community members located in anywhere in

>> > India (e.g Pune, Bangalore and Mumbai community) we can ask the

>> > community

>> > members say it altogether aloud apart from one/two community members

>> > speaking in their own language. I will be posting the details in the

>> > community village pumps, you are allowed to send as many people's

>> > footage as

>> > you can provided the video and audio quality are reasonable good. We

>> > wi

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"

[Subhashish Panigrahi]

That sounds good Konarak, and apart from the loss of quality most handy cam
users might not be aware of converting them to ogg, but once you convert
raw footages to ogg there will be difficulty to edit, because normally the
final avi/mpeg is converted to a open source format and uploaded in
Commons.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Konarak Ratnakar wrote:

>  Hey Srikanth, that's fine by me, twas just a suggestion, because in .ogv
> there is loss of quality due to compression.
>
> Subhashish, I will, in the Meetup, it's on 19th of feb.
> --
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:10:39 +0530
> From: su...@wikimedia.org
> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian
> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
>
> Yes, they are also being invited to participated, it's about Indian
> Editors and Indian faces.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And what about participation of the Indian English Community?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi 
> wrote:
>
> Here are the answers I have to all of you.
> @Noopur: nice points, I am including them all and here is draft for the
> community which I will be posting in the respective Wikipedia Village
> pumps. (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Subha_WMF/sandbox1)
> @Ashwin, the videos you, Nitika and Swaroop are working will be hardcore
> outreach videos to teach how to edit Wikipedia.
> @Konarak, thanks a lot buddy, let us get the footages and we would
> definitely seek your support for the post production. Moover, we would be
> more than happy if you lead the event to get the videos done in your place
> from the community members.
> @Srikanth, the final video will be in Commons and obviously with .ogv
> format. But the raw footage will be in .mov/avi/mpeg, they are the formats
> used before editing. After editing we will convert the final video into
> .ogv.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subha,
> What about the Indian English Community?
>
> Noopur,
> Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV.
> We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no?
>
> Konark,
> Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this.
>
> Ashwin,
> Can I have a link please?
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur 
> wrote:
>
> Nitika & MikeLynch & some others have just begin working in this field
> and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho
> these efforts should be combined.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
> --
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar 
> wrote:
> > Hey,
> > +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing).
> > Konarak.
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530
> >> From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com
> >> To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org;
> >> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of
> Indian
> >> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
> >
> >>
> >> Hey Subhashish,
> >> I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording
> >> such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some
> >> suggestions for community members:
> >>
> >> 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself
> >> 2) It could be one single person saying "I edit wikipedia" or a group.
> >> More than 1 is welcome
> >> 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in room with
> >> LESS noise and MORE light
> >> 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while editing we
> >> don't have to convert and lose quality.
> >> 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone) camera :P
> >> Just try and minimize shaking.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Noopur
> >>
> >> 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi :
> >> > Deal all,
> >> >
> >> > As a part of helping the community to reach out to more people apart
> >> > from
> >> > the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support we also
> have
> >> > need
> >> > for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian Wikipedians
> >> > sharing
> >> > their message "I EDIT WIKIPEDIA" or "I EDIT AN INDIAN LANGUAGE
> >> > WIKIPEDIA" or
> >> > "WIKIPEDIA IS HELPING ME DOCUMENTING MY HERITAGE" will create impact
> >> > among
> >> > people and motivate them to contribute to Wikipedia. Many people use
> >> > Wikipedia in a daily basis without being aware of they can also [Edit]
> >> > it,
> >> > social media, Youtube, mails containing link to such a video can be
> used
> >> > to
> >> > reach this message to them. Moreover, such videos which are already
> >> > there in
> >> > Outreach (outreach.wikimedia.org) Bookshelf might make some people
> feel
> >> > it's
> >> > project being managed by some foreigners. Seeing some real Indians
> >> > editing
> >> > Wikipedia with the 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"

[Konarak Ratnakar]

Subhashis exactly, you might know this, but Xiph (developers of .ogg /.ogv) 
doesn't even endorse .ogv. And .ogg can be used with Matroska. Though I'll 
convert the videos in .ogv. 

Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:53:51 +0530
From: su...@wikimedia.org
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian 
Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"

That sounds good Konarak, and apart from the loss of quality most handy cam 
users might not be aware of converting them to ogg, but once you convert raw 
footages to ogg there will be difficulty to edit, because normally the final 
avi/mpeg is converted to a open source format and uploaded in Commons. 


On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Konarak Ratnakar  wrote:





Hey Srikanth, that's fine by me, twas just a suggestion, because in .ogv there 
is loss of quality due to compression. 
Subhashish, I will, in the Meetup, it's on 19th of feb. 
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:10:39 +0530
From: su...@wikimedia.org
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian 
Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"

Yes, they are also being invited to participated, it's about Indian Editors and 
Indian faces.


On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 wrote:

And what about participation of the Indian English Community?



On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi  
wrote:

Here are the answers I have to all of you.@Noopur: nice points, I am including 
them all and here is draft for the community which I will be posting in the 
respective Wikipedia Village pumps. 
(http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Subha_WMF/sandbox1)





@Ashwin, the videos you, Nitika and Swaroop are working will be hardcore 
outreach videos to teach how to edit Wikipedia.@Konarak, thanks a lot buddy, 
let us get the footages and we would definitely seek your support for the post 
production. Moover, we would be more than happy if you lead the event to get 
the videos done in your place from the community members.




@Srikanth, the final video will be in Commons and obviously with .ogv format. 
But the raw footage will be in .mov/avi/mpeg, they are the formats used before 
editing. After editing we will convert the final video into .ogv.





On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 wrote:



Subha,
What about the Indian English Community?

Noopur,
Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV. 






We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no?


Konark, 
Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this.

Ashwin,
Can I have a link please?



On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur  wrote:








Nitika & MikeLynch & some others have just begin working in this field

and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho

these efforts should be combined.



Warm regards,



Ashwin Baindur

--







On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar  wrote:

> Hey,

> +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing).

> Konarak.

>

>> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530

>> From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com

>> To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org;

>> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

>> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian

>> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"

>

>>

>> Hey Subhashish,

>> I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording

>> such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some

>> suggestions for community members:

>>

>> 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself

>> 2) It could be one single person saying "I edit wikipedia" or a group.

>> More than 1 is welcome

>> 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in room with

>> LESS noise and MORE light

>> 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while editing we

>> don't have to convert and lose quality.

>> 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone) camera :P

>> Just try and minimize shaking.

>>

>> Cheers

>> Noopur

>>

>> 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi :

>> > Deal all,

>> >

>> > As a part of helping the community to reach out to more people apart

>> > from

>> > the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support we also have

>> > need

>> > for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian Wikipedians

>> > sharing

>> > their message "I EDIT WIKIPEDIA" or "I EDIT AN INDIAN LANGUAGE

>> > WIKIPEDIA" or

>> > "WIKIPEDIA IS HELPING ME DOCUMENTING MY HERITAGE" will create impact

>> > among

>> > people and motivate them to contribute to Wikipedia. Many people use

>> > Wikipedia in a daily basis without being aware of they can also [Edit]

>> > it,

>> > social media, Youtube, mails containing link to such a video can be used

>> > to

>> > reach this message to them. Moreover, such videos which are already

>> > there in

>> > Outreach (out

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"

[Subhashish Panigrahi]

Well, that's the whole point. The final file to be hosted for public would
be ogg and the backend work will involve raw file editing collected in
different formats.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Konarak Ratnakar wrote:

>  Subhashis exactly, you might know this, but Xiph (developers of .ogg
> /.ogv) doesn't even endorse .ogv. And .ogg can be used with Matroska.
> Though I'll convert the videos in .ogv.
>
> --
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:53:51 +0530
>
> From: su...@wikimedia.org
> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian
> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
>
> That sounds good Konarak, and apart from the loss of quality most handy
> cam users might not be aware of converting them to ogg, but once you
> convert raw footages to ogg there will be difficulty to edit, because
> normally the final avi/mpeg is converted to a open source format and
> uploaded in Commons.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Konarak Ratnakar wrote:
>
>  Hey Srikanth, that's fine by me, twas just a suggestion, because in .ogv
> there is loss of quality due to compression.
>
> Subhashish, I will, in the Meetup, it's on 19th of feb.
> --
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:10:39 +0530
> From: su...@wikimedia.org
> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian
> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
>
> Yes, they are also being invited to participated, it's about Indian
> Editors and Indian faces.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And what about participation of the Indian English Community?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi 
> wrote:
>
> Here are the answers I have to all of you.
> @Noopur: nice points, I am including them all and here is draft for the
> community which I will be posting in the respective Wikipedia Village
> pumps. (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Subha_WMF/sandbox1)
> @Ashwin, the videos you, Nitika and Swaroop are working will be hardcore
> outreach videos to teach how to edit Wikipedia.
> @Konarak, thanks a lot buddy, let us get the footages and we would
> definitely seek your support for the post production. Moover, we would be
> more than happy if you lead the event to get the videos done in your place
> from the community members.
> @Srikanth, the final video will be in Commons and obviously with .ogv
> format. But the raw footage will be in .mov/avi/mpeg, they are the formats
> used before editing. After editing we will convert the final video into
> .ogv.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subha,
> What about the Indian English Community?
>
> Noopur,
> Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV.
> We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no?
>
> Konark,
> Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this.
>
> Ashwin,
> Can I have a link please?
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur 
> wrote:
>
> Nitika & MikeLynch & some others have just begin working in this field
> and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho
> these efforts should be combined.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
> --
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar 
> wrote:
> > Hey,
> > +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing).
> > Konarak.
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530
> >> From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com
> >> To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org;
> >> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of
> Indian
> >> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
> >
> >>
> >> Hey Subhashish,
> >> I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording
> >> such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some
> >> suggestions for community members:
> >>
> >> 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself
> >> 2) It could be one single person saying "I edit wikipedia" or a group.
> >> More than 1 is welcome
> >> 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in room with
> >> LESS noise and MORE light
> >> 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while editing we
> >> don't have to convert and lose quality.
> >> 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone) camera :P
> >> Just try and minimize shaking.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Noopur
> >>
> >> 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi :
> >> > Deal all,
> >> >
> >> > As a part of helping the community to reach out to more people apart
> >> > from
> >> > the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support we also
> have
> >> > need
> >> > for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian Wikipedians
> >> > sharing
> >> > their message "I EDIT WIKIPEDIA" or "I EDIT AN IND

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"

[Noopur]

Let me clear this confusion.
Dear Srikanth R, *please* attempt to read the ENTIRE mail. I suggested
recording in a popular format because converting and editing ogv is a
PAIN. And, it reduces video quality by two times.
Another thing, if we are to upload these videos to Commons,
*obviously* we will have to convert them to open formats. So, no one
is denying that. It is rather obvious and understood.

So now that we have cleared confusions, can the SIGs and guys
organizing meetups please raise hands? Will you guys be able to do
such recording?

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Subhashish Panigrahi
 wrote:
> Well, that's the whole point. The final file to be hosted for public would
> be ogg and the backend work will involve raw file editing collected in
> different formats.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Konarak Ratnakar 
> wrote:
>>
>> Subhashis exactly, you might know this, but Xiph (developers of .ogg
>> /.ogv) doesn't even endorse .ogv. And .ogg can be used with Matroska. Though
>> I'll convert the videos in .ogv.
>>
>> 
>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:53:51 +0530
>>
>> From: su...@wikimedia.org
>> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian
>> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
>>
>> That sounds good Konarak, and apart from the loss of quality most handy
>> cam users might not be aware of converting them to ogg, but once you convert
>> raw footages to ogg there will be difficulty to edit, because normally the
>> final avi/mpeg is converted to a open source format and uploaded in
>> Commons.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Konarak Ratnakar 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Srikanth, that's fine by me, twas just a suggestion, because in .ogv
>> there is loss of quality due to compression.
>>
>> Subhashish, I will, in the Meetup, it's on 19th of feb.
>> 
>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:10:39 +0530
>> From: su...@wikimedia.org
>> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian
>> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
>>
>> Yes, they are also being invited to participated, it's about Indian
>> Editors and Indian faces.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>>  wrote:
>>
>> And what about participation of the Indian English Community?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Here are the answers I have to all of you.
>> @Noopur: nice points, I am including them all and here is draft for the
>> community which I will be posting in the respective Wikipedia Village pumps.
>> (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Subha_WMF/sandbox1)
>> @Ashwin, the videos you, Nitika and Swaroop are working will be hardcore
>> outreach videos to teach how to edit Wikipedia.
>> @Konarak, thanks a lot buddy, let us get the footages and we would
>> definitely seek your support for the post production. Moover, we would be
>> more than happy if you lead the event to get the videos done in your place
>> from the community members.
>> @Srikanth, the final video will be in Commons and obviously with .ogv
>> format. But the raw footage will be in .mov/avi/mpeg, they are the formats
>> used before editing. After editing we will convert the final video into
>> .ogv.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Subha,
>> What about the Indian English Community?
>>
>> Noopur,
>> Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV.
>> We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no?
>>
>> Konark,
>> Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this.
>>
>> Ashwin,
>> Can I have a link please?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Nitika & MikeLynch & some others have just begin working in this field
>> and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho
>> these efforts should be combined.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Ashwin Baindur
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar 
>> wrote:
>> > Hey,
>> > +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing).
>> > Konarak.
>> >
>> >> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530
>> >> From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com
>> >> To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org;
>> >> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of
>> >> Indian
>> >> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Hey Subhashish,
>> >> I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording
>> >> such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some
>> >> suggestions for community members:
>> >>
>> >> 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself
>> >> 2) It could be one single person saying "I edit wikipedia" or a group.
>> >> More than 1 is welcome
>> >> 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record v

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

[praveenp]

I feel no sympathy for Nichalp or any such users. Per this discussion,
he chose his path which is clearly against the aims of wikipedia.
Somebody stated here that Nichalp himself appeared in this thread, so
i assume, he has no intention to stop what he is doing. Why we should
sympathize to hin?

Btw paid edits are bad and anything paid editor devoted is only money
. What i feel funny is that the secret spy (gupt char) guy, who
started this thread  written it as a little tended to Nichalp, but
what he really wanted is tearing the mask, has taken almost similar
alleged modus operandi of Nichalp to publish his thought. :-). No
allegation intended in this entire  last paragraph, i've not seen him
much ;-)
if i'm wrong, i already regretted. :-)

On 08/02/2012, Srikanth Ramakrishnan  wrote:
> IT is sad, but true about what happened to Nicholas. While the edits by
> WifiOne are clearly CoI based, for now I choose to disconnect the user from
> Nichalp in my POV.
> Nicholas was the ideal Role model for us back in 2007-8-9. He churned out
> articles of good quality like no one.
> It was indeed sad that he had to resort to what he did.
> It proves that a man is remembered more for what evil deeds he does and not
> what good he does.
> Few people would know that Nichalp was the original uploader of Indian maps
> on Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons.
>
> As for the IIPM related edits, yes, not just WifiOne, but another editor,
> who replied to the Talk page of the 'Management Guru', seem to be doing
> what it takes from keeping others from editing that article.
> Said user believes that I, or User:Utcursh shouldn't edit the article AS:
> i] I tweeted negatively about IIPM.
> ii] Utcursh is from another Business School an thus has a CoI.
> This resulted in MikeLynch taking a neutral stand on the talk page which
> resulted in the said user voting against in Mike's RfA, [and again, blaming
> it ON me!]
>
> I think we need a special talk about this IIPM matter on the English
> mailing list.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:20 AM,  wrote:
>
>>  Wifione commented on  this
>> discussion.
>> He redacted some comments there, a few hours later, with this
>> editon
>> WP:No Original Research - he changed "trial" to "trial/litigation
>> in any country" and "published by any involved party" to "published
>> /authored by any involved party" and also changed Book Reviews from being
>> considered a secondary source to being considered a primary source. Its
>> interesting to note that the changes he made in policy relate somewhat to
>> the discussion taking place on an article talk page where he was involved.
>>
>> Also, the following statements:
>>
>> "Please provide valid sources to support this statement. MSN is not a
>> reliable source." - Wifione 06:26, 3 February 2012 (UTC) (this
>> discussion
>> )
>>
>> The MSN
>> articleis
>> actually an article by IANS (an independent News Agency), carried by MSN
>> and others like Yahoo
>> News.
>>
>>
>> A comment about the same Yahoo News article: ".. Yahoo link simply shows
>> the opinion of Mr. Devi Singh from IIM Lucknow. That is a self-published
>> statement which should not be used to make a definitive statement." -
>> Wifione 19:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC) (Same discussion)
>>
>> Im not commenting on the contents of the original email, the above
>> definitely looks a bit out of order to me.
>>
>> > Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:37:01 +1100
>> > From: jay...@gmail.com
>> > To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> > CC: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
>>
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
>> >  wrote:
>> > > Unbelievable but Shocking !
>> > >
>> > > I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, ...
>> >
>> > So far the evidence is not good.
>> >
>> > > but a look at the edit history
>> > > of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the
>> interests
>> > > of IIPM and its stakeholders.
>> > >
>> > > He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause
>> > >
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_research&action=historysubmit&diff=475525747&oldid=475410422
>> >
>> > It looks like he re-arranged the policy a lot in that edit, but there
>> > arnt many changes.
>> >
>> > "trial" became "trial/litigation in any country"
>> >
>> > and he added "independent" a few times.
>> >
>> > "Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable
>> > secondary source

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Letters of authority or press cards (was: Backup for Wikipedians)

[വിശ്വപ്രഭ]

Praveenp +1


On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 16:10, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Excellent Suggestion Praveen, +1.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:23 PM, praveenp  wrote:
>
>> If this get implemented with enough background check with rigid
>> criteria like credible 300 uploads/3000 edits +1 yr active
>> participation in any indian lang wiki project so as active users can
>> get full advantage, it will be great. Such a criteria will help to
>> keep self proclaimed or self appointed wikipedia enthusiasists away
>> from taking over wikimedians or misusing wikipedia photographer
>> status.
>>
>> On 07/02/2012, Konarak Ratnakar  wrote:
>> >
>> > Agree with Srikanth, as I can't join the chapter because I'm underage.
>> >
>> > Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 02:49:39 -0800
>> > From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com
>> > To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Letters of authority or press cards
>> (was:
>> > Backup for Wikipedians)
>> >
>> > I agree with fae about the entire issue.
>> > Last week, there was an Academy in Coimbatore at the Amrita University
>> where
>> > I was denied entry as my ID card didn't state Wikipedia.
>> >
>> > For Commons, this may not be of much use. Most Police men chase us away
>> for
>> > pulling out a Camera in Public.
>> >
>> >
>> > However, I do not see this reaching non members of the chapter,
>> especially
>> > the under age ones like Vibhijain, or others.
>> > Re,
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Vickram Crishna <
>> vvcris...@radiophony.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Further to Theo's suggestion (inline below)
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Theo10011  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Great suggestion Fae.
>> > As Srikanth correctly pointed it out, such an ID would be under the
>> content
>> > scope, which neither the chapter or the WMF India operations have any
>> > jurisdiction over.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I remember a couple of years ago, Wikinews tried this for their active
>> > editors, offering to print them 'official reporter' IDs. It was an idea
>> at
>> > the time, and I'm not sure if they actually implemented it or not.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > For photographers, this would be the commons community. This shouldn't
>> be
>> > too hard, I suggest someone mentioning the political situation and
>> > suggesting this for commons photographers in the VP. The great thing is
>> > since, it would be the community who would award it, there is little or
>> no
>> > direct liability to an official body. There should however be a
>> contribution
>> > record or an endorsement from someone to print these out.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > One thing the chapter can do however, is offer a special
>> > member/photographers ID to the existing members. This could be at a
>> > surcharge so they don't undertake any expense- they can print out
>> plastic
>> > IDs with photos, and membership detail of the existing members. This ID
>> > might be able to suffice for the purpose.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I don't think that the card should necessarily be printed at a
>> centralised
>> > location. In fact, I don't even think this is desirable (from security
>> and
>> > logistics viewpoints). It should be fairly simple to 'approve' a
>> request for
>> > accreditation (framework discussed already), then lead to a web-based
>> > one-time card generator that the user can print and laminate herself. In
>> > case of problems printing, the user should have a fallback option to
>> report
>> > the failure, in order to enable a second attempt for the card to be
>> printed.
>> >
>> >
>> >  Regards
>> > Theo
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:15 PM, CherianTinu Abraham <
>> tinucher...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > The chapter can officially decide it only after a discussion within
>> Board ,
>> > SIG leadership and the members.
>> >
>> > But on a personal level, I agree with Anirudh's view on this.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Since it brings strong accountability for the chapter on the use of the
>> ID
>> > by the recipients , this has to be done with caution and utmost care.
>> >
>> >
>> > May be we can set up an empowered committee to review such requests and
>> > grant them.  ( just a suggestion)
>> > Nevertheless, IMHO, such id cards should be issued to "only trusted
>> > Wikimedians" with a substantial amount of history with our projects and
>> > mission.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Tinu Cherian
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Ashwin Baindur <
>> ashwin.bain...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We do need a Chapter EC Board member to respond to this.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Warm regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ashwin Baindur
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Anirudh Bhati 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The question whether the Chapter will help someone if they get into
>> some
>> >
>> >> sort of trouble with the authorities is an impor

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Backup for Wikipedians

[Bishakha Datta]

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with you completely. While I've never been dragged to a Police
> station, the Coimbatore Police made me delete ALL my photos on the camera,
> and the Bangalore Police took away my memory card.
>

This is really a shame. Did they specify under what law they were doing
this?

Since these situations are cropping up on photo walks, here are some
ground-level suggestions for individual volunteers or groups embarking on
these:

1)Familiarize yourself with 'photo restrictions' in your city/state: These
may differ, and none of us know all the restrictions in each state - maybe
a news photographer or someone could be asked in advance, since we seem to
have good media contacts in India in general? (Tinu or anyone else: do you
think there is someone who could help provide this info? We are all
ignorant here. Individuals would feel more confident if they knew whether
or not what they are doing is illegal.)

2)Stand your ground to the extent possible: Keep asking which law is being
applied if any police action - charging with a case, arrest, confiscation -
is brought up. I know this is very very hard to do when faced with police
personnel, but still. The police are less likely to bully someone who can
firmly ask questions - and who does not get intimidated by the law.

3)Create a chain of 'help': Call another wikipedian for help - if there are
2-3 or more wikipedians present, divide up tasks, so that one-two people
can engage the cops while another makes phone calls. When Pranav called me,
I in turn called lawyer friends who clarified that P&Co were not breaking
the law. I then felt more confident to ask them to 'stand their ground'.

4)Cultivate contacts with media, including photographers, who may have this
information or lawyers in your city who can help with this information
(including legal students).

This is not meant to imply that no larger help is needed - it's not an
either/or, and institutional support may be needed in some cases. These are
just small suggestions to empower individual on the spot.

Best
Bishakha
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] "Introduction to Wikipedia" session during "Kurukshetra2012", 4Feb2012 at CEG, Chennai

[Bishakha Datta]

I am just amazed by the number of wiki workshops and academies taking place
all over India since January.

Nice going, everyone!

Best
Bishakha

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Subhashish Panigrahi wrote:

> *Details of this event could be accessed at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Chennai/Chennai4*
>
> *
> __
> *
>
> Dear all,
>
> An introductory session about "Introduction to Wikipedia" at
> "Kurukshetra2012", an international tech fest at College of Engineering
> Guindy, Anna University, Chennai was attended by 2 wikipedians Subhashish
> and Surya and 45 students. This event was intended to bring awareness among
> students attending this fest about writing articles in the Wikipedia.
> Subhashish took the audience through a 
> presentationexplaining
>  basics of Wikipedia, how they can edit Wikipedia, what they can
> edit in Wikipedia. Later on the students questioned about authenticity of
> articles edited by multiple editors and there was a discussion regarding
> that. Students also questioned if Wikipedia editing will help them to gain
> some qualities and certifications which will help them during their campus
> placements. There were also questions regarding Technical projects and
> questions regarding jobs at Wikimedia. There were curious folks who
> questioned abut the cause of blackout against SOPA and PIPA!
>
> The questions asked by students had lot of valid points regarding
> notability and authenticity of Wikipedia articles, there is need for
> documentation of them in the form of FAQs, So, majority of the important
> questions and answers to them would be documented in the meta page of Outreach
> Program Handbook 
> FAQ
> .
>
> After the discussion Surya spoke about Tamil 
> Wikipediaand the on going Tamil
> Media 
> Contest
> .
>
> Attendees socialized and had a group photo session after the event.
> regards
> Subha
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Backup for Wikipedians

[Shalabh]

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Bishakha Datta wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree with you completely. While I've never been dragged to a Police
>> station, the Coimbatore Police made me delete ALL my photos on the camera,
>> and the Bangalore Police took away my memory card.
>>
>
> This is really a shame. Did they specify under what law they were doing
> this?
>

Almost never. In a very different context, while mapping for OSM, I was
almost arrested for carrying a GPS in Gurgaon. Taking a firm stance helped
(and I was not arrested) but I was extensively questioned on why I was
doing it and who paid me for it etc etc. It was almost impossible to
explain anything (and no explanation was really heard). I mock compromised
by handing over the waypoints I had noted on a paper while retaining them
in the GPS memory.


> Since these situations are cropping up on photo walks, here are some
> ground-level suggestions for individual volunteers or groups embarking on
> these:
>
> 1)Familiarize yourself with 'photo restrictions' in your city/state: These
> may differ, and none of us know all the restrictions in each state - maybe
> a news photographer or someone could be asked in advance, since we seem to
> have good media contacts in India in general? (Tinu or anyone else: do you
> think there is someone who could help provide this info? We are all
> ignorant here. Individuals would feel more confident if they knew whether
> or not what they are doing is illegal.)
>
> 2)Stand your ground to the extent possible: Keep asking which law is being
> applied if any police action - charging with a case, arrest, confiscation -
> is brought up. I know this is very very hard to do when faced with police
> personnel, but still. The police are less likely to bully someone who can
> firmly ask questions - and who does not get intimidated by the law.
>
> 3)Create a chain of 'help': Call another wikipedian for help - if there
> are 2-3 or more wikipedians present, divide up tasks, so that one-two
> people can engage the cops while another makes phone calls. When Pranav
> called me, I in turn called lawyer friends who clarified that P&Co were not
> breaking the law. I then felt more confident to ask them to 'stand their
> ground'.
>

+1. This sounds the most sensible. A 'cloud' of resources would help a lot.

>
> 4)Cultivate contacts with media, including photographers, who may have
> this information or lawyers in your city who can help with this information
> (including legal students).
>
> This is not meant to imply that no larger help is needed - it's not an
> either/or, and institutional support may be needed in some cases. These are
> just small suggestions to empower individual on the spot.
>
> Best
> Bishakha
>

Regards,
Shalabh

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Backup for Wikipedians

[Deepon Saha]

Good Points by Bishakha.. We need to be prepared and organised if anything
happens again..

Deepon

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Bishakha Datta wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree with you completely. While I've never been dragged to a Police
>> station, the Coimbatore Police made me delete ALL my photos on the camera,
>> and the Bangalore Police took away my memory card.
>>
>
> This is really a shame. Did they specify under what law they were doing
> this?
>
> Since these situations are cropping up on photo walks, here are some
> ground-level suggestions for individual volunteers or groups embarking on
> these:
>
> 1)Familiarize yourself with 'photo restrictions' in your city/state: These
> may differ, and none of us know all the restrictions in each state - maybe
> a news photographer or someone could be asked in advance, since we seem to
> have good media contacts in India in general? (Tinu or anyone else: do you
> think there is someone who could help provide this info? We are all
> ignorant here. Individuals would feel more confident if they knew whether
> or not what they are doing is illegal.)
>
> 2)Stand your ground to the extent possible: Keep asking which law is being
> applied if any police action - charging with a case, arrest, confiscation -
> is brought up. I know this is very very hard to do when faced with police
> personnel, but still. The police are less likely to bully someone who can
> firmly ask questions - and who does not get intimidated by the law.
>
> 3)Create a chain of 'help': Call another wikipedian for help - if there
> are 2-3 or more wikipedians present, divide up tasks, so that one-two
> people can engage the cops while another makes phone calls. When Pranav
> called me, I in turn called lawyer friends who clarified that P&Co were not
> breaking the law. I then felt more confident to ask them to 'stand their
> ground'.
>
> 4)Cultivate contacts with media, including photographers, who may have
> this information or lawyers in your city who can help with this information
> (including legal students).
>
> This is not meant to imply that no larger help is needed - it's not an
> either/or, and institutional support may be needed in some cases. These are
> just small suggestions to empower individual on the spot.
>
> Best
> Bishakha
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Backup for Wikipedians

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 23:25, Bishakha Datta wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree with you completely. While I've never been dragged to a Police
>> station, the Coimbatore Police made me delete ALL my photos on the camera,
>> and the Bangalore Police took away my memory card.
>>
>
> This is really a shame. Did they specify under what law they were doing
> this?
>
> Since these situations are cropping up on photo walks, here are some
> ground-level suggestions for individual volunteers or groups embarking on
> these:
>
> 1)Familiarize yourself with 'photo restrictions' in your city/state: These
> may differ, and none of us know all the restrictions in each state - maybe
> a news photographer or someone could be asked in advance, since we seem to
> have good media contacts in India in general? (Tinu or anyone else: do you
> think there is someone who could help provide this info? We are all
> ignorant here. Individuals would feel more confident if they knew whether
> or not what they are doing is illegal.)
>
> 2)Stand your ground to the extent possible: Keep asking which law is being
> applied if any police action - charging with a case, arrest, confiscation -
> is brought up. I know this is very very hard to do when faced with police
> personnel, but still. The police are less likely to bully someone who can
> firmly ask questions - and who does not get intimidated by the law.
>
> 3)Create a chain of 'help': Call another wikipedian for help - if there
> are 2-3 or more wikipedians present, divide up tasks, so that one-two
> people can engage the cops while another makes phone calls. When Pranav
> called me, I in turn called lawyer friends who clarified that P&Co were not
> breaking the law. I then felt more confident to ask them to 'stand their
> ground'.
>

This is very good advice- and this is precisely what we did at Bombay
House. I engaged the cops while Pranav was on the phone. When Pranav
relayed Bishakha's perspective, that gave us even more confidence to stand
our ground.

A very important thing here is to be firm, but *polite*. Being
confrontational can make things go downhill very fast (I believe they can
arrest you for not cooperating with a police officer). Be as cooperative as
you can (when the police asks you for identification, questions your
background and such), without backing down from your original position.
Steer the conversation towards the issue (and legalities thereof) at hand,
away from your background and motivations. Most important point- Remain
calm and respect the other side- they don't want to have to deal with this
if they can avoid it either. It is surprising how much progress you can
make under such circumstances with a smile on your face. :-)

Finally, concede if you have indeed erred. While photography is rarely
prohibited (except in sensitive government designated areas that are
clearly marked as "Prohibited Area"), the typical offense people are
charged with is trespassing or harassment (thrusting a camera in someone's
face, or not allowing them to walk away). You will find very few legal
restrictions when it comes to photographing things while in a public place
(except when the subject is in an area where they have a reasonable
expectation of privacy- like a public restroom, or using a telephoto lens
from a public space to photograph someone through their window in their
private bedroom). Also remember that (while on public spaces) nobody can
ask you to delete your photographs, or take your camera away. Doing so
would allow you to charge them of coercion and/or theft. A policeman may
seize your camera (if they arrest you, which is unlikely in the first
place), but may not delete your photographs (tampering with evidence). If
you see yourself getting into a confrontation with a private security
guard- as a preemptive measure, call the police first yourself.

Ignore any or all of the above advice if you are being physically harmed.
Focus on personal safety first.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Backup for Wikipedians

[Vickram Crishna]

+1

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Aditya Sengupta wrote:

>
> Ignore any or all of the above advice if you are being physically harmed.
> Focus on personal safety first.
>
>
>
-- 
Vickram
Fool On The Hill 
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