Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WMIN-Members] Volunteers for Wiki Academy on 6 Aug 2012, Monday at Dravidian Univ, Kuppam

[BalaSundaraRaman]

I'd like to join, Arjun. I can talk about contributing to Tamil Wikipedia (and 
English, if required).

Regards,
Sundar
 
"That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for 
the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted."
- George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture


>
> From: Arjuna Rao Chavala 
>To: wmin-memb...@googlegroups.com 
>Cc: Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. 
> 
>Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 11:38 AM
>Subject: [WMIN-Members] Volunteers for Wiki Academy on 6 Aug 2012, Monday at 
>Dravidian Univ, Kuppam
> 
>
>Hi,
>
>We have a Wiki Academy on 6 Aug 2012, Monday at Dravidian Univ, Kuppam, a 
>special university setup in 1997 with focus on the four Dravidian languages, 
>Telugu, Tamil, Kannada and Malayalam. About 80 research scholars and faculty 
>are expected to attend the Event.
>
>The Details  for the event  and a custom brochure is at 
>http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy/Dravidian_University,Kuppam
>
>We plan to leave early morning by car (takes around 2:30hours by Road) and 
>return by around 8 PM.
>
>We are looking for  few Telugu, Tamil,  Kannada and Malayalam wikipedians  
>based in Bangalore or nearby places to join us. As of now, myself and 
>Radhakrishna, Chair, Bangalore SIG have confirmed our plans.
>
>Let me know if any one is interested to join us by  Aug 3, 2012.
>
>Thanks and regards
>
>Arjuna Rao Chavala
>President, Wikimedia India
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell

[വിശ്വപ്രഭ]

*#1.*

There is always a way to look at happenings positively. Even falls and
failures, if at all they do happen, are valuable lessons!

To me, that is the greatest lesson and principle I have learnt from editing
Wikipedia itself. Wikipedia constantly compelled me to realize my own
mistakes (edits) and correct. Every instance of them was a positive
milestone.


*#2.*

On lamenting about stillborn help, just as a matter of fact and point of
order:

In our small community, we are very much aware of the possible help (*and
our standard rights and privileges to that*) from chapter or IP/foundation.

But so far,
when we need help, we do not yearn for that from higher ups.

Instead, we seek help from 'bottom downs'.

Instead of San Francisco, Delhi or Bangalore, we try, get and accomplish
assistance from little kids and humble rural people.
And that we get immensely.
(And vice versa, our community members have helped the chapter

We have been able to digitize and upsource entire volumes of ancient texts
to our Wikisources and elsewhere through pleasant collaboration from
primary school kids from hitherto unknown villages.

Our most successful outreach programs were conducted by infrastructural and
program assistance from barely internet-powered commons.


Perhaps, the only time we have sought help or assistance from chapter / IP
/ WMF was when we conducted our massive outreach program
(Wikisangamotsavam) a few months back. And we are very content and thankful
for whatever they provided. We even did not distinguish who among them were
providing.

My humble opinion: Grow your community bottom up. Grow self-reliant as far
as possible. Your rights will always be reserved and accumulated for more
needy and pressing occasions.

-just a bottom level community member from ml.wikipedia.org



On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Ravishankar  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Whatever has been done through the IP, both the community and WMF are
>> equally responsible. It is not good to attribute failure or sucess to
>> anyone.
>>
>
> When some one is leaving any movement, it is basic courtesy to wish him
>> well. By doing so, he or she will have good memories of the movement and
>> may remain a life long ambassador for us. This is not the time to evaluate
>> anyone's performance.
>>
>> Ravi
>>
>
Ravi +1.
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Volunteers for Wiki Academy on 6 Aug 2012, Monday at Dravidian Univ, Kuppam

[Arjuna Rao Chavala]

Hi,

We have a Wiki Academy on 6 Aug 2012, Monday at Dravidian Univ, Kuppam, a
special university setup in 1997 with focus on the four Dravidian
languages, Telugu, Tamil, Kannada and Malayalam. About 80 research scholars
and faculty are expected to attend the Event.

The Details  for the event  and a custom brochure is at
http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy/Dravidian_University,Kuppam

We plan to leave early morning by car (takes around 2:30hours by Road) and
return by around 8 PM.

We are looking for  few Telugu, Tamil,  Kannada and Malayalam wikipedians
based in Bangalore or nearby places to join us. As of now, myself and
Radhakrishna, Chair, Bangalore SIG have confirmed our plans.

Let me know if any one is interested to join us by  Aug 3, 2012.

Thanks and regards

Arjuna Rao Chavala
President, Wikimedia India
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell

[Ravishankar]

Hi all,

Whatever has been done through the IP, both the community and WMF are
equally responsible. It is not good to attribute failure or sucess to
anyone.

When some one is leaving any movement, it is basic courtesy to wish him
well. By doing so, he or she will have good memories of the movement and
may remain a life long ambassador for us. This is not the time to evaluate
anyone's performance.

Ravi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell

[Arun Ramarathnam]

Dear Hisham,,

This note from you did come as a surprise.

It is sad to see anyone leave the movement.
Sorry to hear you are leaving.

Thanks for your efforts for the movement thus far.

And best wishes for all your future endeavours.
And do stay in touch.

Regards
Arun


On 30-Jul-2012, at 4:11 PM, Hisham  wrote:

> Dear India Community
> 
> I'm writing to inform you that I plan to leave my current role supporting 
> Wikimedia in India.  I am going to be exploring opportunities and evaluating 
> options that are closer to my career aspirations and my personal 
> circumstances.  I will be working through to ensure that there is a smooth 
> transition - and this is likely to take 2-3 months.  I am writing now because 
> I felt it appropriate and opportune to inform you as early as possible. 
> 
> I want to start off by thanking the Wikimedia community and movement for 
> giving me this extraordinary opportunity.  Working on something like India 
> Program has been something that has been professionally enriching and 
> personally fulfilling. Over the past 1 1/2 years, I have been supported by so 
> many of you - and I want to thank you for everything you have done!  The 
> passion and intellectual firepower of our community has been my constant 
> source of drive and guidance.  There are so many examples of powerful stories 
> from all over the country: the incredible efforts put in by the IEP Campus 
> Ambassadors in Pune; the army of volunteers that drove the outreach push 
> across the country in the first few months of this year; the beautiful 
> stories of fantastic community initiatives from far and wide across the 
> country and sub-continent, and indeed the world; thremarkable stories from so 
> many communities - large, small and tiny ones!
> 
> I want to thank the team that I have had the pleasure and privilege of 
> working with - Nitika, Noopur, Shiju & Subha.  You guys have been wonderful.  
> The work that we are doing is experimental and we have been innovating every 
> day, and I know the circumstances have not always been easy.  Take strength 
> and inspiration from the large number of community members who have been 
> touched by you and appreciate your efforts and value your work.
>  
> I will send an actual "over and out" message later.  In the meantime, I will 
> continue to work on everything that needs working on.
> 
> Happy Editing!
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> hisham
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell

[Gautam John]

Srikanth, a question: Does your email mean to suggest that while the
IP/Hisham has been unresponsive the Chapter has always been
responsive? The logical corollary is that IP/Hisham has been
responsive at times when the Chapter or individuals have not been able
to help and I would think this to be true.

In general, what do we learn from your email? That everyone must be
helpful to everyone else all the time? I think what's important is
that you did get the support you were looking for from someone within
the community and that will hold true irrespective of who helped and
when, right?

Thank you.

Best,

Gautam

http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html


On 31 July 2012 23:09, Srikanth Ramakrishnan  wrote:
> Abdul, whoever you are, hats off too you. While I agree that you were
> rude, you're not far off from reality. Yes, I expected help from
> Hisham, something I never got despite multiple requests, for my
> outreach at Tiruchirappalli, or Coimbatore. The chapter gave me the
> support I needed. But maybe That's my luck or karma, I don't know, and
> I don't want to know. Hisham, as much as I like or dislike you, you're
> still a Wikipedian leaving. That is sad. Indeed. Have a pleasant
> future ahead.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>
> Sign this petition to introduce Volvo buses in Coimbatore city:
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Abdul, whoever you are, hats off too you. While I agree that you were
rude, you're not far off from reality. Yes, I expected help from
Hisham, something I never got despite multiple requests, for my
outreach at Tiruchirappalli, or Coimbatore. The chapter gave me the
support I needed. But maybe That's my luck or karma, I don't know, and
I don't want to know. Hisham, as much as I like or dislike you, you're
still a Wikipedian leaving. That is sad. Indeed. Have a pleasant
future ahead.

-- 
Regards,
Srikanth Ramakrishnan.

Sign this petition to introduce Volvo buses in Coimbatore city:
https://www.change.org/en-IN/petitions/the-transport-minister-tamil-nadu-introduction-of-volvo-city-buses-in-the-city-of-coimbatore

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-l] Changes to India Program

[Anivar Aravind]

Dear Barry,

Just a  question .

What will happen to Wikimedia India Programme Trust[1]
I think it need to be answered in FAQ[2].
In my observation, the registration of a third entity , at a safe
distance from Wikimedia Foundation and Chapter was a major
organisational mistake in Wikimedia India programme . I like to see
this question answered .


1. 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FAQ_India_Programs/FAQ_Wikimedia_India_Program_Trust
2. 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/India_Program_Announcement_and_FAQ_-_30_July_2012

~ Regards

Anivar

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell

[Ashwin Baindur]

Calmer, now! :)

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Béria Lima  wrote:

> Calm Ashwin.
>
> Everyone has the right to say what they think about something (after all
> we "still" live in a democracy). I do understand that he was rude and that
> there is more than one way to express frustration and he didn't choose a
> good one, but we shouldn't do the same to him or anyone. And more
> important, we shouldn't be "inviting people to leave" the list or
> community.
>
> I'm not saying you wrong (and I do agree with the most of what you said)
> but let's not push people away.
> _
> *Béria Lima*
>
> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
> construir esse sonho. *
>
>
>
> On 31 July 2012 09:53, Ashwin Baindur  wrote:
>
>> Abdul,
>>
>> You have not given of your time to Wikipedia and you have no moral right
>> to criticise Hisham for anything he has done. I wonder why you are
>> subscribed to this list at all. You are welcome to be a Wikipedian and if
>> not, be an constructive member of the community even if you dont edit. We
>> have such people. But your diatribe about someone you have not met and know
>> nothing about first-hand is not at all appreciated and not the way to go.
>>
>> Ashwin Baindur
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Ram Shankar Yadav <
>> ramshankarya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Gautam +1
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Gautam John wrote:
>>>
 Abdul, honesty is a rare character and it's good to strike a
 dissenting note. However, all said and done, a dissenting note based
 in fiction is a wasted thing because it lacks a factual basis in which
 to assess it.

 > Before i start, I am not a Wikipedia editor. Just someone who knows
 several
 > of them.

 Ah. The wonders of second hand information. Always notable.

 > None of you seem to be thinking, or else no thinker is replying.

 Perhaps. But your email doesn't seem to indicate that you were either.

 > Hisham is not some war hero that you have to praise him like this.
 > If there is anything he has done, it is not praiseworthy.

 Clearly the members who have replied on this list think otherwise.
 Myself included.

 > yes, we weill miss him. a lot. who else do we blame for failurs and
 all the
 > nonsense in the community?

 So you'll miss him because you have someone to blame? If that's the
 prism through which you view activity, then you biases are clear. For
 we all have clean hands and can cast the first stone.

 > Hisham has done nothing for the community that stands out. all that
 he has
 > done is what volunters do.

 Sure. Which is why volunteers have thanked him.

 > he runined th english wikipedia with his IEP crap.
 > the community is still trying to recover.

 But had the grace and courage to own up to his failures. We could all
 learn something from that.

 > Wer'e not happy that you are leaving, but sad, because we won't have
 anyone
 > to blame.

 Maybe it's time we looked inwards too rather than finding an easy
 outside mark to blame?

 I am sure there are more who hold dissenting views and this is a good
 time to air them. We can all learn from them.

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>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell

[Béria Lima]

Calm Ashwin.

Everyone has the right to say what they think about something (after all we
"still" live in a democracy). I do understand that he was rude and that
there is more than one way to express frustration and he didn't choose a
good one, but we shouldn't do the same to him or anyone. And more
important, we shouldn't be "inviting people to leave" the list or
community.

I'm not saying you wrong (and I do agree with the most of what you said)
but let's not push people away.
_
*Béria Lima*

*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
construir esse sonho. *


On 31 July 2012 09:53, Ashwin Baindur  wrote:

> Abdul,
>
> You have not given of your time to Wikipedia and you have no moral right
> to criticise Hisham for anything he has done. I wonder why you are
> subscribed to this list at all. You are welcome to be a Wikipedian and if
> not, be an constructive member of the community even if you dont edit. We
> have such people. But your diatribe about someone you have not met and know
> nothing about first-hand is not at all appreciated and not the way to go.
>
> Ashwin Baindur
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Ram Shankar Yadav <
> ramshankarya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Gautam +1
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Gautam John wrote:
>>
>>> Abdul, honesty is a rare character and it's good to strike a
>>> dissenting note. However, all said and done, a dissenting note based
>>> in fiction is a wasted thing because it lacks a factual basis in which
>>> to assess it.
>>>
>>> > Before i start, I am not a Wikipedia editor. Just someone who knows
>>> several
>>> > of them.
>>>
>>> Ah. The wonders of second hand information. Always notable.
>>>
>>> > None of you seem to be thinking, or else no thinker is replying.
>>>
>>> Perhaps. But your email doesn't seem to indicate that you were either.
>>>
>>> > Hisham is not some war hero that you have to praise him like this.
>>> > If there is anything he has done, it is not praiseworthy.
>>>
>>> Clearly the members who have replied on this list think otherwise.
>>> Myself included.
>>>
>>> > yes, we weill miss him. a lot. who else do we blame for failurs and
>>> all the
>>> > nonsense in the community?
>>>
>>> So you'll miss him because you have someone to blame? If that's the
>>> prism through which you view activity, then you biases are clear. For
>>> we all have clean hands and can cast the first stone.
>>>
>>> > Hisham has done nothing for the community that stands out. all that he
>>> has
>>> > done is what volunters do.
>>>
>>> Sure. Which is why volunteers have thanked him.
>>>
>>> > he runined th english wikipedia with his IEP crap.
>>> > the community is still trying to recover.
>>>
>>> But had the grace and courage to own up to his failures. We could all
>>> learn something from that.
>>>
>>> > Wer'e not happy that you are leaving, but sad, because we won't have
>>> anyone
>>> > to blame.
>>>
>>> Maybe it's time we looked inwards too rather than finding an easy
>>> outside mark to blame?
>>>
>>> I am sure there are more who hold dissenting views and this is a good
>>> time to air them. We can all learn from them.
>>>
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>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell

[Arjun Mangol Kanoth]

Ashwin and Gautam +1 :D

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:19 PM, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) <
viswapra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ashwin +1
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Deepon Saha wrote:
>
>> Ashwin +1
>>
>> Deepon
>> On Jul 31, 2012 6:24 PM, "Ashwin Baindur" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Abdul,
>>>
>>> You have not given of your time to Wikipedia and you have no moral right
>>> to criticise Hisham for anything he has done. I wonder why you are
>>> subscribed to this list at all. You are welcome to be a Wikipedian and if
>>> not, be an constructive member of the community even if you dont edit. We
>>> have such people. But your diatribe about someone you have not met and know
>>> nothing about first-hand is not at all appreciated and not the way to go.
>>>
>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell

[വിശ്വപ്രഭ]

Ashwin +1

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Deepon Saha  wrote:

> Ashwin +1
>
> Deepon
> On Jul 31, 2012 6:24 PM, "Ashwin Baindur" 
> wrote:
>
>> Abdul,
>>
>> You have not given of your time to Wikipedia and you have no moral right
>> to criticise Hisham for anything he has done. I wonder why you are
>> subscribed to this list at all. You are welcome to be a Wikipedian and if
>> not, be an constructive member of the community even if you dont edit. We
>> have such people. But your diatribe about someone you have not met and know
>> nothing about first-hand is not at all appreciated and not the way to go.
>>
>> Ashwin Baindur
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell

[Shobhana Muralidharan]

Hello

Well said. I hate professionals being pulled down in public.

Thanks


On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Gautam John wrote:

> Abdul, honesty is a rare character and it's good to strike a
> dissenting note. However, all said and done, a dissenting note based
> in fiction is a wasted thing because it lacks a factual basis in which
> to assess it.
>
> > Before i start, I am not a Wikipedia editor. Just someone who knows
> several
> > of them.
>
> Ah. The wonders of second hand information. Always notable.
>
> > None of you seem to be thinking, or else no thinker is replying.
>
> Perhaps. But your email doesn't seem to indicate that you were either.
>
> > Hisham is not some war hero that you have to praise him like this.
> > If there is anything he has done, it is not praiseworthy.
>
> Clearly the members who have replied on this list think otherwise.
> Myself included.
>
> > yes, we weill miss him. a lot. who else do we blame for failurs and all
> the
> > nonsense in the community?
>
> So you'll miss him because you have someone to blame? If that's the
> prism through which you view activity, then you biases are clear. For
> we all have clean hands and can cast the first stone.
>
> > Hisham has done nothing for the community that stands out. all that he
> has
> > done is what volunters do.
>
> Sure. Which is why volunteers have thanked him.
>
> > he runined th english wikipedia with his IEP crap.
> > the community is still trying to recover.
>
> But had the grace and courage to own up to his failures. We could all
> learn something from that.
>
> > Wer'e not happy that you are leaving, but sad, because we won't have
> anyone
> > to blame.
>
> Maybe it's time we looked inwards too rather than finding an easy
> outside mark to blame?
>
> I am sure there are more who hold dissenting views and this is a good
> time to air them. We can all learn from them.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell

[Deepon Saha]

Ashwin +1

Deepon
On Jul 31, 2012 6:24 PM, "Ashwin Baindur"  wrote:

> Abdul,
>
> You have not given of your time to Wikipedia and you have no moral right
> to criticise Hisham for anything he has done. I wonder why you are
> subscribed to this list at all. You are welcome to be a Wikipedian and if
> not, be an constructive member of the community even if you dont edit. We
> have such people. But your diatribe about someone you have not met and know
> nothing about first-hand is not at all appreciated and not the way to go.
>
> Ashwin Baindur
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Ram Shankar Yadav <
> ramshankarya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Gautam +1
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Gautam John wrote:
>>
>>> Abdul, honesty is a rare character and it's good to strike a
>>> dissenting note. However, all said and done, a dissenting note based
>>> in fiction is a wasted thing because it lacks a factual basis in which
>>> to assess it.
>>>
>>> > Before i start, I am not a Wikipedia editor. Just someone who knows
>>> several
>>> > of them.
>>>
>>> Ah. The wonders of second hand information. Always notable.
>>>
>>> > None of you seem to be thinking, or else no thinker is replying.
>>>
>>> Perhaps. But your email doesn't seem to indicate that you were either.
>>>
>>> > Hisham is not some war hero that you have to praise him like this.
>>> > If there is anything he has done, it is not praiseworthy.
>>>
>>> Clearly the members who have replied on this list think otherwise.
>>> Myself included.
>>>
>>> > yes, we weill miss him. a lot. who else do we blame for failurs and
>>> all the
>>> > nonsense in the community?
>>>
>>> So you'll miss him because you have someone to blame? If that's the
>>> prism through which you view activity, then you biases are clear. For
>>> we all have clean hands and can cast the first stone.
>>>
>>> > Hisham has done nothing for the community that stands out. all that he
>>> has
>>> > done is what volunters do.
>>>
>>> Sure. Which is why volunteers have thanked him.
>>>
>>> > he runined th english wikipedia with his IEP crap.
>>> > the community is still trying to recover.
>>>
>>> But had the grace and courage to own up to his failures. We could all
>>> learn something from that.
>>>
>>> > Wer'e not happy that you are leaving, but sad, because we won't have
>>> anyone
>>> > to blame.
>>>
>>> Maybe it's time we looked inwards too rather than finding an easy
>>> outside mark to blame?
>>>
>>> I am sure there are more who hold dissenting views and this is a good
>>> time to air them. We can all learn from them.
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell

[Pradeep Nair]

Hi,

Right from the time meeting outside the historic cafe in Mumbai along with 
Barry, it has been nice knowing you Hisham. 

Through the difficult days of WikiConference India 2011 (for me)  I thank you 
for the support you have given me. 

For your contributions to the Indian Wikimedia movement, thank you. I hope you 
do keep editing and stay in touch.

Pradeep
User:Prad2609

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell

[Ashwin Baindur]

Abdul,

You have not given of your time to Wikipedia and you have no moral right to
criticise Hisham for anything he has done. I wonder why you are subscribed
to this list at all. You are welcome to be a Wikipedian and if not, be an
constructive member of the community even if you dont edit. We have such
people. But your diatribe about someone you have not met and know nothing
about first-hand is not at all appreciated and not the way to go.

Ashwin Baindur




On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Ram Shankar Yadav <
ramshankarya...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Gautam +1
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Gautam John wrote:
>
>> Abdul, honesty is a rare character and it's good to strike a
>> dissenting note. However, all said and done, a dissenting note based
>> in fiction is a wasted thing because it lacks a factual basis in which
>> to assess it.
>>
>> > Before i start, I am not a Wikipedia editor. Just someone who knows
>> several
>> > of them.
>>
>> Ah. The wonders of second hand information. Always notable.
>>
>> > None of you seem to be thinking, or else no thinker is replying.
>>
>> Perhaps. But your email doesn't seem to indicate that you were either.
>>
>> > Hisham is not some war hero that you have to praise him like this.
>> > If there is anything he has done, it is not praiseworthy.
>>
>> Clearly the members who have replied on this list think otherwise.
>> Myself included.
>>
>> > yes, we weill miss him. a lot. who else do we blame for failurs and all
>> the
>> > nonsense in the community?
>>
>> So you'll miss him because you have someone to blame? If that's the
>> prism through which you view activity, then you biases are clear. For
>> we all have clean hands and can cast the first stone.
>>
>> > Hisham has done nothing for the community that stands out. all that he
>> has
>> > done is what volunters do.
>>
>> Sure. Which is why volunteers have thanked him.
>>
>> > he runined th english wikipedia with his IEP crap.
>> > the community is still trying to recover.
>>
>> But had the grace and courage to own up to his failures. We could all
>> learn something from that.
>>
>> > Wer'e not happy that you are leaving, but sad, because we won't have
>> anyone
>> > to blame.
>>
>> Maybe it's time we looked inwards too rather than finding an easy
>> outside mark to blame?
>>
>> I am sure there are more who hold dissenting views and this is a good
>> time to air them. We can all learn from them.
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell

[Ram Shankar Yadav]

Gautam +1


On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Gautam John wrote:

> Abdul, honesty is a rare character and it's good to strike a
> dissenting note. However, all said and done, a dissenting note based
> in fiction is a wasted thing because it lacks a factual basis in which
> to assess it.
>
> > Before i start, I am not a Wikipedia editor. Just someone who knows
> several
> > of them.
>
> Ah. The wonders of second hand information. Always notable.
>
> > None of you seem to be thinking, or else no thinker is replying.
>
> Perhaps. But your email doesn't seem to indicate that you were either.
>
> > Hisham is not some war hero that you have to praise him like this.
> > If there is anything he has done, it is not praiseworthy.
>
> Clearly the members who have replied on this list think otherwise.
> Myself included.
>
> > yes, we weill miss him. a lot. who else do we blame for failurs and all
> the
> > nonsense in the community?
>
> So you'll miss him because you have someone to blame? If that's the
> prism through which you view activity, then you biases are clear. For
> we all have clean hands and can cast the first stone.
>
> > Hisham has done nothing for the community that stands out. all that he
> has
> > done is what volunters do.
>
> Sure. Which is why volunteers have thanked him.
>
> > he runined th english wikipedia with his IEP crap.
> > the community is still trying to recover.
>
> But had the grace and courage to own up to his failures. We could all
> learn something from that.
>
> > Wer'e not happy that you are leaving, but sad, because we won't have
> anyone
> > to blame.
>
> Maybe it's time we looked inwards too rather than finding an easy
> outside mark to blame?
>
> I am sure there are more who hold dissenting views and this is a good
> time to air them. We can all learn from them.
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell

[Gautam John]

Abdul, honesty is a rare character and it's good to strike a
dissenting note. However, all said and done, a dissenting note based
in fiction is a wasted thing because it lacks a factual basis in which
to assess it.

> Before i start, I am not a Wikipedia editor. Just someone who knows several
> of them.

Ah. The wonders of second hand information. Always notable.

> None of you seem to be thinking, or else no thinker is replying.

Perhaps. But your email doesn't seem to indicate that you were either.

> Hisham is not some war hero that you have to praise him like this.
> If there is anything he has done, it is not praiseworthy.

Clearly the members who have replied on this list think otherwise.
Myself included.

> yes, we weill miss him. a lot. who else do we blame for failurs and all the
> nonsense in the community?

So you'll miss him because you have someone to blame? If that's the
prism through which you view activity, then you biases are clear. For
we all have clean hands and can cast the first stone.

> Hisham has done nothing for the community that stands out. all that he has
> done is what volunters do.

Sure. Which is why volunteers have thanked him.

> he runined th english wikipedia with his IEP crap.
> the community is still trying to recover.

But had the grace and courage to own up to his failures. We could all
learn something from that.

> Wer'e not happy that you are leaving, but sad, because we won't have anyone
> to blame.

Maybe it's time we looked inwards too rather than finding an easy
outside mark to blame?

I am sure there are more who hold dissenting views and this is a good
time to air them. We can all learn from them.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell

[Abdul Rahman]

Before i start, I am not a Wikipedia editor. Just someone who knows several
of them.

None of you seem to be thinking, or else no thinker is replying.

Hisham is not some war hero that you have to praise him like this.
If there is anything he has done, it is not praiseworthy.

yes, we weill miss him. a lot. who else do we blame for failurs and all the
nonsense in the community?

Hisham has done nothing for the community that stands out. all that he has
done is what volunters do.

if any volunteer asked for help and he responded, that voulneter would do
exzctly what hisham tells him to.
if he doesnt, hisham cribs that they don't let him do his work.
if he does, he claims credt for that volunteers success and puts the blame
on the volunteer if it fails.

he runined th english wikipedia with his IEP crap.
the community is still trying to recover.
on top of that he called up several voluntrs over the phone for iep this yr
and justified his actions.

congrats hisham, you've done a lot in one and a hafl years. a lot of damage.

Wer'e not happy that you are leaving, but sad, because we won't have anyone
to blame.

Have a good time.




On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Bishakha Datta 
wrote:
Dear Hisham,

I’m thinking back on your time here and want to thank you for so much that
you’ve done and built in these one and a half years. For setting up things
from scratch when there was neither a team nor an office and you were on
your own. For building and motivating a small team to venture into unknown
terrain (and for even daring to step into this terrain) without any
surefire guarantee of success. For tirelessly and successfully supporting
many Indic language wikipedias and the first-ever community-led
WikiConference India. For keeping up team morale in the difficult days
following the India Education program. For reaching out to hundreds of
people in India through any means necessary to create new editors. And,
yes, for being bold.

One of the things that makes this kind of work difficult is not just its
newness or its experimental unsure nature, but also its publicness.
Brickbats pour in much faster than bouquets in public fora, creating a
narrative of their own that is hard to buck. I want to thank you for being
able to smell the roses, for having a tough enough hide to survive the
brickbats while continuing to steer India programs and motivating your team
to do its best. I also want to urge the Wikimedia India community to be
constructive and rigorous in holding India programs accountable in its next
avatar - without being destructive or personal.

You’ve laid a very solid foundation for India programs that I expect the
team will continue to build on. I hope you enjoy your remaining time here
and leave with many more good memories than bad.

Will miss you, my friend!
Bishakha

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Hisham  wrote:
Dear India Community


I'm writing to inform you that I plan to leave my current role supporting
Wikimedia in India.  I am going to be exploring opportunities and
evaluating options that are closer to my career aspirations and my personal
circumstances.  I will be working through to ensure that there is a smooth
transition - and this is likely to take 2-3 months.  I am writing now
because I felt it appropriate and opportune to inform you as early as
possible.

I want to start off by thanking the Wikimedia community and movement for
giving me this extraordinary opportunity.  Working on something like India
Program has been something that has been professionally enriching and
personally fulfilling. Over the past 1 1/2 years, I have been supported by
so many of you - and I want to thank you for everything you have done!  The
passion and intellectual firepower of our community has been my constant
source of drive and guidance.  There are so many examples of powerful
stories from all over the country: the incredible efforts put in by the IEP
Campus Ambassadors in Pune; the army of volunteers that drove the outreach
push across the country in the first few months of this year; the beautiful
stories of fantastic community initiatives from far and wide across the
country and sub-continent, and indeed the world; the remarkable stories
from so many communities - large, small and tiny ones!

I want to thank the team that I have had the pleasure and privilege of
working with - Nitika, Noopur, Shiju & Subha.  You guys have been
wonderful.  The work that we are doing is experimental and we have been
innovating every day, and I know the circumstances have not always been
easy.  Take strength and inspiration from the large number of community
members who have been touched by you and appreciate your efforts and value
your work.

I will send an actual "over and out" message later.  In the meantime, I
will continue to work on everything that needs working on.

Happy Editing!

Warmest Regards,

hisham


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