Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell
Abdul, You have not given of your time to Wikipedia and you have no moral right to criticise Hisham for anything he has done. I wonder why you are subscribed to this list at all. You are welcome to be a Wikipedian and if not, be an constructive member of the community even if you dont edit. We have such people. But your diatribe about someone you have not met and know nothing about first-hand is not at all appreciated and not the way to go. Ashwin Baindur On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Ram Shankar Yadav ramshankarya...@gmail.com wrote: Gautam +1 On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: Abdul, honesty is a rare character and it's good to strike a dissenting note. However, all said and done, a dissenting note based in fiction is a wasted thing because it lacks a factual basis in which to assess it. Before i start, I am not a Wikipedia editor. Just someone who knows several of them. Ah. The wonders of second hand information. Always notable. None of you seem to be thinking, or else no thinker is replying. Perhaps. But your email doesn't seem to indicate that you were either. Hisham is not some war hero that you have to praise him like this. If there is anything he has done, it is not praiseworthy. Clearly the members who have replied on this list think otherwise. Myself included. yes, we weill miss him. a lot. who else do we blame for failurs and all the nonsense in the community? So you'll miss him because you have someone to blame? If that's the prism through which you view activity, then you biases are clear. For we all have clean hands and can cast the first stone. Hisham has done nothing for the community that stands out. all that he has done is what volunters do. Sure. Which is why volunteers have thanked him. he runined th english wikipedia with his IEP crap. the community is still trying to recover. But had the grace and courage to own up to his failures. We could all learn something from that. Wer'e not happy that you are leaving, but sad, because we won't have anyone to blame. Maybe it's time we looked inwards too rather than finding an easy outside mark to blame? I am sure there are more who hold dissenting views and this is a good time to air them. We can all learn from them. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell
Hi, Right from the time meeting outside the historic cafe in Mumbai along with Barry, it has been nice knowing you Hisham. Through the difficult days of WikiConference India 2011 (for me) I thank you for the support you have given me. For your contributions to the Indian Wikimedia movement, thank you. I hope you do keep editing and stay in touch. Pradeep User:Prad2609 Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell
Ashwin +1 Deepon On Jul 31, 2012 6:24 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Abdul, You have not given of your time to Wikipedia and you have no moral right to criticise Hisham for anything he has done. I wonder why you are subscribed to this list at all. You are welcome to be a Wikipedian and if not, be an constructive member of the community even if you dont edit. We have such people. But your diatribe about someone you have not met and know nothing about first-hand is not at all appreciated and not the way to go. Ashwin Baindur On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Ram Shankar Yadav ramshankarya...@gmail.com wrote: Gautam +1 On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: Abdul, honesty is a rare character and it's good to strike a dissenting note. However, all said and done, a dissenting note based in fiction is a wasted thing because it lacks a factual basis in which to assess it. Before i start, I am not a Wikipedia editor. Just someone who knows several of them. Ah. The wonders of second hand information. Always notable. None of you seem to be thinking, or else no thinker is replying. Perhaps. But your email doesn't seem to indicate that you were either. Hisham is not some war hero that you have to praise him like this. If there is anything he has done, it is not praiseworthy. Clearly the members who have replied on this list think otherwise. Myself included. yes, we weill miss him. a lot. who else do we blame for failurs and all the nonsense in the community? So you'll miss him because you have someone to blame? If that's the prism through which you view activity, then you biases are clear. For we all have clean hands and can cast the first stone. Hisham has done nothing for the community that stands out. all that he has done is what volunters do. Sure. Which is why volunteers have thanked him. he runined th english wikipedia with his IEP crap. the community is still trying to recover. But had the grace and courage to own up to his failures. We could all learn something from that. Wer'e not happy that you are leaving, but sad, because we won't have anyone to blame. Maybe it's time we looked inwards too rather than finding an easy outside mark to blame? I am sure there are more who hold dissenting views and this is a good time to air them. We can all learn from them. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell
Hello Well said. I hate professionals being pulled down in public. Thanks On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: Abdul, honesty is a rare character and it's good to strike a dissenting note. However, all said and done, a dissenting note based in fiction is a wasted thing because it lacks a factual basis in which to assess it. Before i start, I am not a Wikipedia editor. Just someone who knows several of them. Ah. The wonders of second hand information. Always notable. None of you seem to be thinking, or else no thinker is replying. Perhaps. But your email doesn't seem to indicate that you were either. Hisham is not some war hero that you have to praise him like this. If there is anything he has done, it is not praiseworthy. Clearly the members who have replied on this list think otherwise. Myself included. yes, we weill miss him. a lot. who else do we blame for failurs and all the nonsense in the community? So you'll miss him because you have someone to blame? If that's the prism through which you view activity, then you biases are clear. For we all have clean hands and can cast the first stone. Hisham has done nothing for the community that stands out. all that he has done is what volunters do. Sure. Which is why volunteers have thanked him. he runined th english wikipedia with his IEP crap. the community is still trying to recover. But had the grace and courage to own up to his failures. We could all learn something from that. Wer'e not happy that you are leaving, but sad, because we won't have anyone to blame. Maybe it's time we looked inwards too rather than finding an easy outside mark to blame? I am sure there are more who hold dissenting views and this is a good time to air them. We can all learn from them. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Shoba ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell
Ashwin +1 On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Deepon Saha hideeponh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin +1 Deepon On Jul 31, 2012 6:24 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Abdul, You have not given of your time to Wikipedia and you have no moral right to criticise Hisham for anything he has done. I wonder why you are subscribed to this list at all. You are welcome to be a Wikipedian and if not, be an constructive member of the community even if you dont edit. We have such people. But your diatribe about someone you have not met and know nothing about first-hand is not at all appreciated and not the way to go. Ashwin Baindur ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell
Ashwin and Gautam +1 :D On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:19 PM, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) viswapra...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin +1 On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Deepon Saha hideeponh...@gmail.comwrote: Ashwin +1 Deepon On Jul 31, 2012 6:24 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Abdul, You have not given of your time to Wikipedia and you have no moral right to criticise Hisham for anything he has done. I wonder why you are subscribed to this list at all. You are welcome to be a Wikipedian and if not, be an constructive member of the community even if you dont edit. We have such people. But your diatribe about someone you have not met and know nothing about first-hand is not at all appreciated and not the way to go. Ashwin Baindur ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- - Arjun ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell
Calm Ashwin. Everyone has the right to say what they think about something (after all we still live in a democracy). I do understand that he was rude and that there is more than one way to express frustration and he didn't choose a good one, but we shouldn't do the same to him or anyone. And more important, we shouldn't be inviting people to leave the list or community. I'm not saying you wrong (and I do agree with the most of what you said) but let's not push people away. _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 31 July 2012 09:53, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Abdul, You have not given of your time to Wikipedia and you have no moral right to criticise Hisham for anything he has done. I wonder why you are subscribed to this list at all. You are welcome to be a Wikipedian and if not, be an constructive member of the community even if you dont edit. We have such people. But your diatribe about someone you have not met and know nothing about first-hand is not at all appreciated and not the way to go. Ashwin Baindur On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Ram Shankar Yadav ramshankarya...@gmail.com wrote: Gautam +1 On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: Abdul, honesty is a rare character and it's good to strike a dissenting note. However, all said and done, a dissenting note based in fiction is a wasted thing because it lacks a factual basis in which to assess it. Before i start, I am not a Wikipedia editor. Just someone who knows several of them. Ah. The wonders of second hand information. Always notable. None of you seem to be thinking, or else no thinker is replying. Perhaps. But your email doesn't seem to indicate that you were either. Hisham is not some war hero that you have to praise him like this. If there is anything he has done, it is not praiseworthy. Clearly the members who have replied on this list think otherwise. Myself included. yes, we weill miss him. a lot. who else do we blame for failurs and all the nonsense in the community? So you'll miss him because you have someone to blame? If that's the prism through which you view activity, then you biases are clear. For we all have clean hands and can cast the first stone. Hisham has done nothing for the community that stands out. all that he has done is what volunters do. Sure. Which is why volunteers have thanked him. he runined th english wikipedia with his IEP crap. the community is still trying to recover. But had the grace and courage to own up to his failures. We could all learn something from that. Wer'e not happy that you are leaving, but sad, because we won't have anyone to blame. Maybe it's time we looked inwards too rather than finding an easy outside mark to blame? I am sure there are more who hold dissenting views and this is a good time to air them. We can all learn from them. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell
Calmer, now! :) On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: Calm Ashwin. Everyone has the right to say what they think about something (after all we still live in a democracy). I do understand that he was rude and that there is more than one way to express frustration and he didn't choose a good one, but we shouldn't do the same to him or anyone. And more important, we shouldn't be inviting people to leave the list or community. I'm not saying you wrong (and I do agree with the most of what you said) but let's not push people away. _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 31 July 2012 09:53, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Abdul, You have not given of your time to Wikipedia and you have no moral right to criticise Hisham for anything he has done. I wonder why you are subscribed to this list at all. You are welcome to be a Wikipedian and if not, be an constructive member of the community even if you dont edit. We have such people. But your diatribe about someone you have not met and know nothing about first-hand is not at all appreciated and not the way to go. Ashwin Baindur On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Ram Shankar Yadav ramshankarya...@gmail.com wrote: Gautam +1 On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: Abdul, honesty is a rare character and it's good to strike a dissenting note. However, all said and done, a dissenting note based in fiction is a wasted thing because it lacks a factual basis in which to assess it. Before i start, I am not a Wikipedia editor. Just someone who knows several of them. Ah. The wonders of second hand information. Always notable. None of you seem to be thinking, or else no thinker is replying. Perhaps. But your email doesn't seem to indicate that you were either. Hisham is not some war hero that you have to praise him like this. If there is anything he has done, it is not praiseworthy. Clearly the members who have replied on this list think otherwise. Myself included. yes, we weill miss him. a lot. who else do we blame for failurs and all the nonsense in the community? So you'll miss him because you have someone to blame? If that's the prism through which you view activity, then you biases are clear. For we all have clean hands and can cast the first stone. Hisham has done nothing for the community that stands out. all that he has done is what volunters do. Sure. Which is why volunteers have thanked him. he runined th english wikipedia with his IEP crap. the community is still trying to recover. But had the grace and courage to own up to his failures. We could all learn something from that. Wer'e not happy that you are leaving, but sad, because we won't have anyone to blame. Maybe it's time we looked inwards too rather than finding an easy outside mark to blame? I am sure there are more who hold dissenting views and this is a good time to air them. We can all learn from them. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-l] Changes to India Program
Dear Barry, Just a question . What will happen to Wikimedia India Programme Trust[1] I think it need to be answered in FAQ[2]. In my observation, the registration of a third entity , at a safe distance from Wikimedia Foundation and Chapter was a major organisational mistake in Wikimedia India programme . I like to see this question answered . 1. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FAQ_India_Programs/FAQ_Wikimedia_India_Program_Trust 2. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/India_Program_Announcement_and_FAQ_-_30_July_2012 ~ Regards Anivar ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell
Abdul, whoever you are, hats off too you. While I agree that you were rude, you're not far off from reality. Yes, I expected help from Hisham, something I never got despite multiple requests, for my outreach at Tiruchirappalli, or Coimbatore. The chapter gave me the support I needed. But maybe That's my luck or karma, I don't know, and I don't want to know. Hisham, as much as I like or dislike you, you're still a Wikipedian leaving. That is sad. Indeed. Have a pleasant future ahead. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Sign this petition to introduce Volvo buses in Coimbatore city: https://www.change.org/en-IN/petitions/the-transport-minister-tamil-nadu-introduction-of-volvo-city-buses-in-the-city-of-coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell
Srikanth, a question: Does your email mean to suggest that while the IP/Hisham has been unresponsive the Chapter has always been responsive? The logical corollary is that IP/Hisham has been responsive at times when the Chapter or individuals have not been able to help and I would think this to be true. In general, what do we learn from your email? That everyone must be helpful to everyone else all the time? I think what's important is that you did get the support you were looking for from someone within the community and that will hold true irrespective of who helped and when, right? Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html On 31 July 2012 23:09, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Abdul, whoever you are, hats off too you. While I agree that you were rude, you're not far off from reality. Yes, I expected help from Hisham, something I never got despite multiple requests, for my outreach at Tiruchirappalli, or Coimbatore. The chapter gave me the support I needed. But maybe That's my luck or karma, I don't know, and I don't want to know. Hisham, as much as I like or dislike you, you're still a Wikipedian leaving. That is sad. Indeed. Have a pleasant future ahead. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Sign this petition to introduce Volvo buses in Coimbatore city: https://www.change.org/en-IN/petitions/the-transport-minister-tamil-nadu-introduction-of-volvo-city-buses-in-the-city-of-coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell
Dear Hisham,, This note from you did come as a surprise. It is sad to see anyone leave the movement. Sorry to hear you are leaving. Thanks for your efforts for the movement thus far. And best wishes for all your future endeavours. And do stay in touch. Regards Arun On 30-Jul-2012, at 4:11 PM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear India Community I'm writing to inform you that I plan to leave my current role supporting Wikimedia in India. I am going to be exploring opportunities and evaluating options that are closer to my career aspirations and my personal circumstances. I will be working through to ensure that there is a smooth transition - and this is likely to take 2-3 months. I am writing now because I felt it appropriate and opportune to inform you as early as possible. I want to start off by thanking the Wikimedia community and movement for giving me this extraordinary opportunity. Working on something like India Program has been something that has been professionally enriching and personally fulfilling. Over the past 1 1/2 years, I have been supported by so many of you - and I want to thank you for everything you have done! The passion and intellectual firepower of our community has been my constant source of drive and guidance. There are so many examples of powerful stories from all over the country: the incredible efforts put in by the IEP Campus Ambassadors in Pune; the army of volunteers that drove the outreach push across the country in the first few months of this year; the beautiful stories of fantastic community initiatives from far and wide across the country and sub-continent, and indeed the world; thremarkable stories from so many communities - large, small and tiny ones! I want to thank the team that I have had the pleasure and privilege of working with - Nitika, Noopur, Shiju Subha. You guys have been wonderful. The work that we are doing is experimental and we have been innovating every day, and I know the circumstances have not always been easy. Take strength and inspiration from the large number of community members who have been touched by you and appreciate your efforts and value your work. I will send an actual over and out message later. In the meantime, I will continue to work on everything that needs working on. Happy Editing! Warmest Regards, hisham ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Farewell
Hi all, Whatever has been done through the IP, both the community and WMF are equally responsible. It is not good to attribute failure or sucess to anyone. When some one is leaving any movement, it is basic courtesy to wish him well. By doing so, he or she will have good memories of the movement and may remain a life long ambassador for us. This is not the time to evaluate anyone's performance. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
