Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WikiTrends - Most visited articles in Indian language Wikipedias
I'm very curious and skeptical are these correct? I looked at the Bengali language articles, and they are ALLl Olympic games related articles that are likely autogenerated/written. I find it very hard to believe that these set of Olympic games articles will be the mot read articles. In fact, I strongly believe that the stats are not correct as the articles I see under Bengali cannot possibly be of major interest to readers of Bangla Wikipedia. Ragib User:Ragib on bn/en -- Ragib Hasan, Ph.D. Assistant Professor & Director, UAB SECRETLab Department of Computer and Information Sciences University of Alabama at Birmingham Birmingham, AL 35294 http://secret.cis.uab.edu http://www.ragibhasan.com On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 1:34 AM, Ravishankar Ayyakkannu < ravidre...@wikimedia.in> wrote: > Hi, > > Daily, weekly and monthly stats regarding most visited articles in Indian > language Wikipedias are available here. > > Bengali - > http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikitrends/bengali-most-visited-this-month.html > > Hindi - > http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikitrends/hindi-most-visited-this-month.html > > Tamil - > http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikitrends/tamil-most-visited-this-month.html > > Telugu - > http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikitrends/telugu-most-visited-this-month.html > > Urdu - > http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikitrends/urdu-most-visited-this-month.html > > It will be a good idea to improve the quality of these articles and > related articles so that popular demand for knowledge in Indian languages > is met adequately. > > http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN_India/Sitemap.htm > > is also a good stats index to understand the reach of various Indian > language Wikipedias. > > Ravi > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Fw: [Internal-l] Recognition of Wikimedia Bangladesh
Thanks ... As the second wikimedia chapter from South Asia, I envision that Wikimedia Bangladesh will have significant impact on the vast populace of the area, as well as fruitful collaborations with Wikimedia India. Your advice and suggestions will be very useful in making WM BD a success. With regards, Ragib - http://www.ragibhasan.com On Thursday, October 13, 2011, Gautam John wrote: > Super news! Congratulations! > > Thank you. > > Best, > > Gautam > > http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html > > > > > On 14 October 2011 00:25, Bishakha Datta wrote: >> Cross-posting since it may be of interest to this list. >> >> Cheers >> Bishakha >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: phoebe ayers >> Date: Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:16 PM >> Subject: [Internal-l] Recognition of Wikimedia Bangladesh >> To: "Local Chapters, board and officers coordination (closed subscription)" >> >> >> >> Dear friends, >> >> Congratulations to Wikimedia Bangladesh, our newest chapter! >> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Bangladesh >> >> -- Phoebe >> Board Secretary, 2011-12 >> >> >> ___ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > -- Ragib -- Ragib Hasan, Ph.D Assistant Professor Department of Computer and Information Sciences University of Alabama at Birmingham Birmingham, AL 35294 Website: http://www.ragibhasan.com ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Deletion (aka genocide) of articles
I can't say anything for wikipedias on other languages, but for
Bengali Wikipedia, we have a clear rule. Any new article that is a one
liner or has only a navigation template, will be tagged as {{Empty}}
and the creator will be given a day or so to add at least some more
text in it to make it a stub. Otherwise, it will get deleted. This
type of quality control is necessary, otherwise we'll go the same way
as some wikipedias that are crazy for numbers, but don't give any
thought to quality.
Ragib
--
Ragib Hasan, Ph.D
NSF Computing Innovation Fellow and
Assistant Research Scientist
Dept of Computer Science
Johns Hopkins University
3400 N Charles Street
Baltimore, MD 21218
Website:
http://www.ragibhasan.com
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Ravishankar wrote:
> HI Nikhil,
>
> A request first:
>
> When you address specific issues based on your experience from a particular
> Wikipedia, please be candid about the details. Because, it will help to see
> the issue clearly and won't annoy Wikipedians from other languages.
>
> Some practices in Tamil Wikipedia regarding deletion:
>
> * There is no automatic deletion by bots or filters.
>
> * Only clear cases of vandalism / spam / machine generated content gets
> deleted ASAP as a cleanup measure.
>
> * In cases of non-wiki / disputable stuff, we leave a template saying "This
> article is not suitable for Wikipedia and it may get deleted. Please improve
> the article or discuss in Talk page". Usually, we provide a month's time
> before deletion. All these articles are put in one category.
>
> * On cases of many such articles by the same user, we leave messages in his
> / her talk page and try to reach him / her by all means. (Email user, phone
> wherever info is available)
>
> * In case of dispute or mass deletion, we nominate the article for deletion
> and proceed based on voting / feedback.
>
> * We also try to improve the stubs, re-organize under single page.
> Therefore, the information is not lost.
>
> * We encourage users to write articles with at least 3 sentences.
>
> * There is no single / group of users doing deletion but any elected sysop
> can do this when the action is necessary. Tamil Wikipedia has 19 admins with
> diverse background till date.
>
> I wouldn't say you should never delete an article. Quality is important and
> there should be some minimum standard enforced by community discussion. At
> the same time, I have heard from people who got discouraged after their
> article got deleted and they couldn't understand why. Not many follow recent
> changes regularly and have no clue why their article got deleted. So, it may
> be a good idea to auto generate a mail to the user explaining the reasons
> when his article gets deleted. She may opt out of such notices.
>
> Ravi
>
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Nikhil Sheth wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm not fully sure where the community is going on this topic, but here's
>> my two cents on deletion of articles in Indian /any language wikipedias:
>>
>> It should not happen. Period.
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India map and indian laws
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Gautam John wrote: > On 15 February 2011 23:57, Ragib Hasan wrote: > >> responsible for any wikipedia content. I believe that German wikipedia >> has a similar issue regarding the display of some nazi symbols (which >> is illegal in Germany). It may be useful to see what they did to >> handle this. > > Indeed. Thanks for this pointer, Ragib. Would you know of other such > instances please? > > Thank you. > > Best, > > Gautam I'm not sure, but I assume the Turkish wiki should have similar issues related to the Armenian genocide? Note though that the two examples are slightly different from this thread's issue. Each of these were regional language wikipedias catering to the specific country. -- Ragib ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India map and indian laws
I believe there are two separate issues here: 1. Should Wikipedia have maps or any content that is not liked by Govt. of X country or the people of Y country? 2. Should individual Indian Wikipedians or the WM India chapter be held responsible for any content on Wikipedia? The first one is straightforward ... to preserve WP:N, wikipedia should NOT cater to the viewpoints of any particular govt. (Note that, the maps in question actually are WP:N in the sense that they show the status quo as well as the territorial claims of different nations.) The second question is complex, and perhaps WM India officials should clarify this in media as well as with govt ... the chapter and Wikipedia are separate, and the chapter does not dictate nor is responsible for any wikipedia content. I believe that German wikipedia has a similar issue regarding the display of some nazi symbols (which is illegal in Germany). It may be useful to see what they did to handle this. Finally, "forcing Wikipedia" to conform to a particular Govt. or national viewpoint just because the foundation has an office in that country, is an affront to Wikipedia's core principle: WP:N. Ragib On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:56 AM, BalaSundaraRaman wrote: > Hi Arun, > I agree that this is a very serious issue. We should contact the > foundation's legal counsel for suitable action as the foundation typically > handles content-issues, particularly ones that involve a question of > legality. Chapters shouldn't be mistaken as being responsible for the > content on wikipedia (you'd know this already, but writing this in general). > - Sundar > > "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for > the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted." > - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture > > From: Arun Ganesh > To: Wikimedia India list > Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 2:57:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India map and indian laws > > As someone who created many of the Indian maps on wikipedia, this is a > serious issue which needs a decision as it has been in the gray for quite a > while. I have stopped my contribution of Indian maps ever since i realized > that my work could have legal repercussions. For now, all the maps come with > an explanation of the depiction of the borders and a disclaimer that it may > not conform to local laws. > Specimen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:India_map_blank.svg > > This is an issue which requires someone with sound legal knowledge to solve, > something for the chapter to take up. Let us not forget that we are creating > a repository of knowledge, if wikipedia ever hid the truth for the sake of > being politically correct, the whole project is pointless. > -- > j.mp/ArunGanesh > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] My article on Wikipedia's 10 years in today's Daily Samakal, Bangladesh
Hi Everyone, My article on Wikipedia's 10 year anniversary and Bengali Wikipedia was published in the Daily Samakal, Bangladesh. http://bit.ly/fvTAv0 The article was titled: উইকিপিডিয়ার ১০ বছর -- জনমানুষের বিশ্বকোষের জয়যাত্রা Thanks, Ragib -- Ragib Hasan, Ph.D NSF Computing Innovation Fellow and Assistant Research Scientist Dept of Computer Science Johns Hopkins University 3400 N Charles Street Baltimore, MD 21218 Website: http://www.ragibhasan.com ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages & unicode issues.
I'm curious about the issue you are discussing ... is this similar to a long-standing bug that affects Bengali, Assamese, and Bishnupriya Manipuri wikipedias? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5948 Ragib User:Ragib on en and bn -- Ragib Hasan, Ph.D NSF Computing Innovation Fellow and Assistant Research Scientist Dept of Computer Science Johns Hopkins University 3400 N Charles Street Baltimore, MD 21218 Website: http://www.ragibhasan.com On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 1:29 AM, BalaSundaraRaman wrote: >> Unicode's decision to bring the second encoding in > >> standard was widely debated and opposed mainly by FOSS developer >> community from Malayalam. Unicode announced the dual encoding scheme >> without canonical equivalence definition in 2005 and reverted it when >> scholars and developers opposed it. > > Sadly, you're not alone in this, Santhosh. > We have had canonical non-equivalence issues and many more (similar to the > atomic chillu issue) in Tamil too. :( > Part of it was inherited from the umbrellaish ISCII model (done with good > intentions, I believe). > They put the abugidas of the Indo-Aryan languages and other systems like Tamil > (haven't studied other writing systems enough to comment upon) into one bucket > and we're still suffering for that. They cite stability when legitimate > changes > are sought, but allow such breaking changes. > > I'm sure you'll be working with the search engines to map the equivalent glyph > sequences. Also, please explore mediawiki tech solutions to add redirects or > hidden texts (though not ideal). > > - Sundar > > "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for > the > expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted." > - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture > > > > - Original Message >> From: Santhosh Thottingal >> To: Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. >> >> Sent: Sun, December 26, 2010 10:28:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages & unicode issues. >> >> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:43 PM, CherianTinu Abraham >> wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > Happened to see Gerard's blog post on issues with Malayalam Wikipedia >> > & Unicode upgrade to >> > 5.1 http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2010/12/malayalam-enigma.html >> >> >> The issue is very complex. There were heated debates around this topic >> in Unicode Indic Mailing list for years. In short the issue is about >> dual encoding- representing a letter using two types of unicode >> character codes. Unicode's decision to bring the second encoding in >> standard was widely debated and opposed mainly by FOSS developer >> community from Malayalam. Unicode announced the dual encoding scheme >> without canonical equivalence definition in 2005 and reverted it when >> scholars and developers opposed it. >> The same proposal again introduced. Foss community, language scholars >> protested the proposal. The SMC community submitted a document with 17 >> reasons why dual encoding should not be introduced.- see >> http://wiki.smc.org.in/images/2/23/SMC_Unicode_5.1.pdf >> Similarly a seminar conducted to discuss the issue by University of >> Kerala opposed the proposal. see >>http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080131071131/fci/images/1/19/Report_of_Workshop.pdf >>f >> But Unicode technical consortium did not bother to answer both of >> these reports and went ahead with the decision in Unicode 5.1. The >> dual encoding scheme is with out any canonical equivalence definition. >> Since it is not there in standard I doubt whether Operating systems >> will implement it, not to mention about search engines. >> >> Since the new encoding scheme is defined without backward >> compatibility, or against unicode's stability policy, Malayalam FOSS >> community decided not to implement it until issues are resolved and >> continuing with unicode 5.0 encoding. Malayalam news portals also >> follow unicode 5.0. Most of the tools from Google also continue with >> unicode 5.0 based encoding. Malayalam wikipedia decided to go ahead >> with latest version of unicode. I had resisted this move in the >> discussion pages of Malayalam wikipedia. The decision was taken based >> on voting by a small community of editors and not based on proper >> technical analysis. >> >> >> Believe it or not, this is how Malayalam wiki is rendered inWindows XP >> IE 8 box with OS default font: >> http://thottingal
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Looking for Devanagri help - windows this time .
Sundar, this is not a UTF-8 or other encoding related problem. In fact, the problem Shirish mentions is a well known problem with Chrome. We have had many people complain about this for Bengali unicode websites. Some people mentioned that using the following add-on solves the problem: https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/iicdbaakmbgjjfjjfnkbiiglclmhopnf I myself haven't faced the problem ... but just want to let Shirish know that this is not an uncommon one. Ragib -- Ragib Hasan, Ph.D NSF Computing Innovation Fellow and Assistant Research Scientist Dept of Computer Science Johns Hopkins University 3400 N Charles Street Baltimore, MD 21218 Website: http://www.ragibhasan.com On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:34 AM, BalaSundaraRaman wrote: >> > Excuse me if you've tried this already, but check whether the encoding is >>not >> > Western or something. UTF-8 or, in the case of many sites, user-defined >>encoding >> > works just fine. Please check >> > http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?answer=95290 for more >>info. >> >> I didn't get what you said . > > I should've been clearer. I wanted it to be set to utf-8 (if it is something > else). > For some sites (which specify the encoding or fonts in HTML), you can try > setting "user-defined". > > - Sundar > > "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for > the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted." > - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture > > > > - Original Message >> From: shirish शिरीष >> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 11:59:14 AM >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Looking for Devanagri help - windows this >> time >>. >> >> In-line :- >> >> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:36, BalaSundaraRaman >> wrote: >> > Excuse me if you've tried this already, but check whether the encoding is >>not >> > Western or something. UTF-8 or, in the case of many sites, user-defined >>encoding >> > works just fine. Please check >> > http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?answer=95290 for more >>info. >> >> I didn't get what you said . >> >> Shouldn't it be UTF-8 rather than Western ? >> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/UTF-8 >> >> It is set to UTF-8 . >> >> > I'm not on Windows now, and hence, unable to go through the above process. >> >> That's not the point. Neither am I most of the time, Its just that if >> we need to have some more people on regional language wikipedias there >> should be an easy way to do that. >> >> If somebody like me who has little idea about things to try and does >> stuff, has to go through hoops in order to get it right , then normal >> (read people who have no idea or interest in tweaking or trying out >> things) are simply left in the cold. >> >> I am going to be trying now on GNU/Linux as well as I did see some >> inconsistencies on my system as well. The Windows system will be with >> me overnight so if any more experiments have to be done, can be done >> as well. >> >> > - Sundar >> > >> > "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium >>for >> > the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted." >> > - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल >> My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 >> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ >> http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com >> 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 >> >> ___ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Wikimeetup1 @ Kolkata, Dec 2010 Photos
Nice article ... conveys the points quite well. Thanks a lot to Suruchi Gupta. @Jayanta, has there been any coverage in the Bengali news media? We can get many new contributors if someone can write an article in Bengali and publish in the Bengali news papers. We had a lot of success in that way in Bangladesh. Ragib User:Ragib Bureaucrat: Bengali Wikipedia Administrator: English Wikipedia -- Ragib Hasan, Ph.D NSF Computing Innovation Fellow and Assistant Research Scientist Dept of Computer Science Johns Hopkins University 3400 N Charles Street Baltimore, MD 21218 Website: http://www.ragibhasan.com On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:16 AM, jayanta nath wrote: > Dear All, > > I am sharing with you todays Hindustan Times News article by Suruchi Gupta > > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:32 PM, jayanta nath wrote: >> >> Dear Tinu and Shiju, >> >> Thanks you both for images of Kolkata Meetup 3. >> >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Kolkata_Meetup_Dec2010 >> >> Warm regards, >> >> Jayanta Nath >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:03 PM, CherianTinu Abraham >> wrote: >>> >>> Wikipedia Wikimeetup1 @ Kolkata, Dec 2010 Photos >>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Kolkata_Meetup_Dec2010 >>> >>> There were around 18+ attendees for the first Wikimeetup @Kolkata . I >>> would like to express my sincere thanks to Jayanata Nath, Indranil Das Gupta >>> & Shiju Alex for all the efforts in putting things together for a successful >>> meetup, at one of the ancient cities of India. Special thanks to Bishakha >>> Datta & Achal Prabhala for all the encouragement & support in our efforts. >>> >>> One of us will be sending a detailed report on the meetup soon. >>> >>> Regards >>> Tinu Cherian >> >> >> >> -- >> Jayanta Nath >> > > > > -- > Jayanta Nath > > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-WB] "Wikimedia-in-WB" created.
I welcome the creation of this new list. I hope this will be effective in creating a thriving Wikipedian community in West Bengal. If you guys need any help with publicity campaign materials, Belayet and I will be happy to share our Bengali language writeups, tutorials, documents, etc. we have used for campaigns in Bangladesh. -- Ragib On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:28 AM, CherianTinu Abraham wrote: > Hi all, > A new mailing list "Wikimedia-in-WB" was created to co-ordinate > Wikipedia/Wikimedia activities primarly in West Bengal & also Bengali > Wikipedia in India. Please feel free to join the list, if you are > interested. > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-wb > > If you are interested in organising/supporting Wikimeetups/academies in > Kolkata or other parts of West Bengal , please do get in touch with me or > Jayanta Nath from Bengali Wikipedia. > > I know our dearest & veteran Bengali Wikipedians from Bangladesh like > Bellayat , Ragib Hasan will be more than happy to hand hold these efforts. > > Thanks > Tinu Cherian > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-in-wb/attachments/20101216/6d80a803/attachment.htm > ___ > Wikimedia-in-WB mailing list > wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-wb > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-BD] Updates on Google translation project in Tamil Wikipedia
Hi Sundar, Please go ahead and forward our emails/thread to your contacts at Google. Once again, we are open to the Google translation project as long as we are kept informed and the article creation process follows our local community standards. Ragib On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Belayet Hossain wrote: > Sundar, > That will be a nice idea. Please go ahead. They can discuss it in that > mailing lists or at local Wikipedia page. > > Belayet > > On 3 December 2010 10:56, BalaSundaraRaman wrote: >> >> Hi Ragib, Belayet, >> >> Good to see you here. :) >> >> Shall I forward your email to the Google Translation team? If they wish >> so, they >> can take it from there. >> What do you think? >> >> Cheers, >> Sundar >> "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium >> for >> the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted." >> - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture >> >> >> >> - Original Message >> > From: Ragib Hasan >> > To: Discussion list for Bangladeshi Wikimedians >> > >> > Cc: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 10:01:15 AM >> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-BD] Updates on Google >> > translation >> >project in Tamil Wikipedia >> > >> > I agree with what Belayet mentioned about the Google translated >> > articles on Bengali Wikipedia. So far, we have not been contacted by >> > Google directly. Rather, we have dealt with the paid contractors who >> > were hired by Google. As Belayet has said, the paid translators do not >> > follow up with the translations (except for a single case). Which in >> > turn, causes a lot of problems for us to fix the articles. >> > >> > Technically, we have not "banned" Google translated articles or >> > contributors who use GTT. Rather what we have discouraged is the >> > dump-and-run translators who just dump their malformed translation and >> > never responds to our messages or makes a second edit to the article >> > to fix it. In most of the cases we dealt with recently, we haven't >> > even deleted the articles ... rather we moved them to user space, >> > giving the user a chance to fix the article to readable Bengali. >> > >> > So, basically, here are the issues: >> > >> > 1. We'd love to work with Google if they collaborate with us and take >> > responsibility of producing readable content. >> > >> > 2. Which means, translations can't be dump-and-run jobs. Since the >> > translator toolkit is still horrible in English-to-Bengali >> > translation, the Google team or their translators need to do fix the >> > pages to make them readable and grammatically correct. >> > >> > 3. We can use the current system ... i.e., translators are free to do >> > all of the sandboxing/translation experiments in their user space. We >> > are very picky about the content that goes into the article space and >> > don't want half-done, incorrect language articles to go there. So, >> > after a translation article has been approved by the community, it can >> > be moved to the main space. >> > >> > But to do any of the above, the Google team needs to contact us. We >> > don't know who is or who isn't working for Google. Almost all the >> > vendors/contractors we have dealt so far used thorwaway accounts that >> > are used only once, and never again. >> > >> > Bottom line: we are happy to work with Google, but only if Google does >> > not bypass the existing Bengali wikipedian community. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Ragib >> > >> > User:Ragib on bn and en >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Ragib Hasan, Ph.D >> > NSF Computing Innovation Fellow and >> > Assistant Research Scientist >> > >> > Dept of Computer Science >> > Johns Hopkins University >> > 3400 N Charles Street >> > Baltimore, MD 21218 >> > >> > Website: >> > http://www.ragibhasan.com >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Belayet Hossain >> > wrote: >> > > Ravi, >> > > That's a nice process to deal with Google translation project. In >> > > Bengali >> > > Wikipedia, if the translation is
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-BD] Updates on Google translation project in Tamil Wikipedia
I agree with what Belayet mentioned about the Google translated articles on Bengali Wikipedia. So far, we have not been contacted by Google directly. Rather, we have dealt with the paid contractors who were hired by Google. As Belayet has said, the paid translators do not follow up with the translations (except for a single case). Which in turn, causes a lot of problems for us to fix the articles. Technically, we have not "banned" Google translated articles or contributors who use GTT. Rather what we have discouraged is the dump-and-run translators who just dump their malformed translation and never responds to our messages or makes a second edit to the article to fix it. In most of the cases we dealt with recently, we haven't even deleted the articles ... rather we moved them to user space, giving the user a chance to fix the article to readable Bengali. So, basically, here are the issues: 1. We'd love to work with Google if they collaborate with us and take responsibility of producing readable content. 2. Which means, translations can't be dump-and-run jobs. Since the translator toolkit is still horrible in English-to-Bengali translation, the Google team or their translators need to do fix the pages to make them readable and grammatically correct. 3. We can use the current system ... i.e., translators are free to do all of the sandboxing/translation experiments in their user space. We are very picky about the content that goes into the article space and don't want half-done, incorrect language articles to go there. So, after a translation article has been approved by the community, it can be moved to the main space. But to do any of the above, the Google team needs to contact us. We don't know who is or who isn't working for Google. Almost all the vendors/contractors we have dealt so far used thorwaway accounts that are used only once, and never again. Bottom line: we are happy to work with Google, but only if Google does not bypass the existing Bengali wikipedian community. Thanks, Ragib User:Ragib on bn and en -- Ragib Hasan, Ph.D NSF Computing Innovation Fellow and Assistant Research Scientist Dept of Computer Science Johns Hopkins University 3400 N Charles Street Baltimore, MD 21218 Website: http://www.ragibhasan.com On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Belayet Hossain wrote: > Ravi, > That's a nice process to deal with Google translation project. In Bengali > Wikipedia, if the translation is not in acceptable quality community also > shift content to the user namespace of that translator and ask them to > improve it. But there are very few examples that translator rewrite or > retouch the article to improve it. Translators are not coming back to take > care of their article. So a lot of untouched bad translated articles are in > the user namespace at Bengali Wikipedia. > > And from my experiences in Bengali Wikipedia the translators are not > consistent with their translations. If you rated someone for the first time > for his first translation, it is not be sure the second translation will be > same quality or better than the first one. So community have to re-rated him > every time he post an article. > > Since the translators are not regular at Wikipedia and they are not > responsive. There is no other contact point available for the community to > communicate with them. We can create a translation coordination page at > local Wikipedia, but there is no way to inform the existing or new > translators to follow the page. > > I am very much interested to know, how Tamil community communicating with > the translators at Google? > > Belayet > > On 3 December 2010 07:12, Shiju Alex wrote: >> >> Congrats to Tamil community for trying to bring out a process for Google's >> Translation project. >> >> I really wonder how other language communities are handling this. Apart >> from Tamil, Google Translation project is going on at least in Hindi, >> Kannada, and Telugu. It is banned in Bengali wiki. >> >> I could see many articles are loaded to wikis each day. And for many of >> them the only contributor is the Google employee who translated it. >> >> Shiju >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Arjuna Rao Chavala >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Thanks a lot for the update. >>> >>> I think the updated process is similar with Open source community >>> philosophy when Commercial companies (like IBM, Sun etc) contribute source >>> code. Tamil Wiki has that kind of rigor in quality checking and is able >>> to do a good job. Other Wikipedias may not be in a position to engage in a >>> similar way, due to policies and/or level of active wikipedians. One more >>&g
