Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] Newbie biting in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedias

[Dhanalakshmi K. T.]

Hi,

Apart from Newbie biting, there are instances of personal attack on me.
Please visit  Kannada Wikipedia Village pump

 for more details and response.


Regards,
Dhanalakshmi K T


On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 1:27 PM Subhashish  wrote:

> Dear Dhanalakshmi,
>
> Maybe you could translate a few things for us.
>
> I see that the discussion is between two Wikipedians and the discussion is
> happening on the talk page where such a discussion should happen widely on
> the village pump (unless you have a local alternative). It seems like a
> bilateral process and not a consensus-driven one. I might be wrong here,
> but the recommended steps would involve a consensus among the community
> members allowing multiple point of views to have a consensus. Based on that
> consensus, the accused Wikipedian can be blocked temporarily or
> permanently. Blocking arbitrarily is not a healthy practice.
>
> I am sharing this as you shared about an incident that is super local in a
> larger mailing list. To me, it is important to have the discussion locally
> first to arrive at a consensus before sharing here. But it is all up to you
> from the Kannada community.
>
> Subha
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 12:51 PM Dhanalakshmi K. T. 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I don't know what happened to my email. I had sent the email to the list
>> on Oct 14, 2019. But it reached the list only on Oct 28, 2019. As many have
>> suggested as reply to the email, I have already written in Kannada and Tulu
>> Wikipedia Village Pumps, after sending the email.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dhanalakshmi K T
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 8:00 PM pavan santhosh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Asaf,
>>>
>>> Nice to hear from you. Thanks for making things clear. Kudos to your
>>> point
>>> on balancing between quality of content and welcoming new Wikipedians. I
>>> don't think that they are contradicting tasks. In long run, developing an
>>> environment where experienced editors will step in and help newbies
>>> understand how to contribute quality content that sticks to the core
>>> content policies is, ideally, something that we need to work on. Hope we
>>> will find another platform/thread to discuss such steps.
>>>
>>> Bye for now.
>>>
>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>> Pavan.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:45 PM Asaf Bartov 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > More explicitly: Wikipedia communities are self-governing.  This means
>>> > this mailing list has no particular ability to regulate behavior on the
>>> > Kannada or Tulu Wikipedias.  It is to your fellow community members on
>>> > those wikis that you should complain about the newbie-biter's behavior.
>>> > Those communities should step up and stop the newbie-biting if they are
>>> > interested in welcoming newcomers and seeing their community grow.
>>> >
>>> > (Remind people -- on-wiki -- that avoiding newbie-biting *does not*
>>> equal
>>> > compromising on quality; it's just a better attitude to showing
>>> newcomers
>>> > their mistakes or where (and how!) an article can be improved.)
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> >
>>> >A.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:31 AM pavan santhosh <
>>> pavansanthos...@gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hey Dhanalakshmi KT,
>>> >>
>>> >> This is worth discussing in WP:Village pump as Ashwin sir suggested. I
>>> >> believe discussions in Tulu and Kannada Wikipedia helps to resolve
>>> issue
>>> >> better.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:45 PM Dhanalakshmi K. T. <
>>> lakshmik...@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hi all,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> We are all aware of Newbie biting. One editor by User name Lokesha
>>> >>> kunchadka
>>> >>> <
>>> https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%A6%E0%B2%B8%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AF:Lokesha_kunchadka>
>>> who
>>> >>> is indulging in Newbie biting in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedias from
>>> almost
>>> >>> last 2-3 months. He was issued a warning by the admin in Kannada
>>> Wikipedia,
>>> >>> link is here
>>> >>> <
>>> https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%A6%E0%B2%B8%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AF%E0%B2%B0_%E0%B2%9A%E0%B2%B0%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%9A%E0%B3%86%E0%B2%AA%E0%B3%81%E0%B2%9F:Lokesha_kunchadka#Newbie_biting
>>> >
>>> >>> .
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I have been conducting Diversity Editathons from last 3 months. One
>>> of
>>> >>> the major aims of these editathons is to bring more women editors.
>>> Before
>>> >>> the new editor completes the article this person jumps in and adds
>>> >>> templates to imply the article is not of good quality. The new
>>> editors,
>>> >>> especially the women editors, are scared to continue editing because
>>> of
>>> >>> this newbie biting. Apart from this I had written an article on 13th
>>> >>> October 2019 with the template Under constriction for 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] Newbie biting in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedias

[Subhashish]

Dear Dhanalakshmi,

Maybe you could translate a few things for us.

I see that the discussion is between two Wikipedians and the discussion is
happening on the talk page where such a discussion should happen widely on
the village pump (unless you have a local alternative). It seems like a
bilateral process and not a consensus-driven one. I might be wrong here,
but the recommended steps would involve a consensus among the community
members allowing multiple point of views to have a consensus. Based on that
consensus, the accused Wikipedian can be blocked temporarily or
permanently. Blocking arbitrarily is not a healthy practice.

I am sharing this as you shared about an incident that is super local in a
larger mailing list. To me, it is important to have the discussion locally
first to arrive at a consensus before sharing here. But it is all up to you
from the Kannada community.

Subha

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 12:51 PM Dhanalakshmi K. T. 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I don't know what happened to my email. I had sent the email to the list
> on Oct 14, 2019. But it reached the list only on Oct 28, 2019. As many have
> suggested as reply to the email, I have already written in Kannada and Tulu
> Wikipedia Village Pumps, after sending the email.
>
>
> Regards,
> Dhanalakshmi K T
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 8:00 PM pavan santhosh 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Asaf,
>>
>> Nice to hear from you. Thanks for making things clear. Kudos to your point
>> on balancing between quality of content and welcoming new Wikipedians. I
>> don't think that they are contradicting tasks. In long run, developing an
>> environment where experienced editors will step in and help newbies
>> understand how to contribute quality content that sticks to the core
>> content policies is, ideally, something that we need to work on. Hope we
>> will find another platform/thread to discuss such steps.
>>
>> Bye for now.
>>
>> Thanks & Regards,
>> Pavan.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:45 PM Asaf Bartov 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > More explicitly: Wikipedia communities are self-governing.  This means
>> > this mailing list has no particular ability to regulate behavior on the
>> > Kannada or Tulu Wikipedias.  It is to your fellow community members on
>> > those wikis that you should complain about the newbie-biter's behavior.
>> > Those communities should step up and stop the newbie-biting if they are
>> > interested in welcoming newcomers and seeing their community grow.
>> >
>> > (Remind people -- on-wiki -- that avoiding newbie-biting *does not*
>> equal
>> > compromising on quality; it's just a better attitude to showing
>> newcomers
>> > their mistakes or where (and how!) an article can be improved.)
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> >A.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:31 AM pavan santhosh <
>> pavansanthos...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hey Dhanalakshmi KT,
>> >>
>> >> This is worth discussing in WP:Village pump as Ashwin sir suggested. I
>> >> believe discussions in Tulu and Kannada Wikipedia helps to resolve
>> issue
>> >> better.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:45 PM Dhanalakshmi K. T. <
>> lakshmik...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>>
>> >>> We are all aware of Newbie biting. One editor by User name Lokesha
>> >>> kunchadka
>> >>> <
>> https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%A6%E0%B2%B8%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AF:Lokesha_kunchadka>
>> who
>> >>> is indulging in Newbie biting in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedias from
>> almost
>> >>> last 2-3 months. He was issued a warning by the admin in Kannada
>> Wikipedia,
>> >>> link is here
>> >>> <
>> https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%A6%E0%B2%B8%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AF%E0%B2%B0_%E0%B2%9A%E0%B2%B0%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%9A%E0%B3%86%E0%B2%AA%E0%B3%81%E0%B2%9F:Lokesha_kunchadka#Newbie_biting
>> >
>> >>> .
>> >>>
>> >>> I have been conducting Diversity Editathons from last 3 months. One of
>> >>> the major aims of these editathons is to bring more women editors.
>> Before
>> >>> the new editor completes the article this person jumps in and adds
>> >>> templates to imply the article is not of good quality. The new
>> editors,
>> >>> especially the women editors, are scared to continue editing because
>> of
>> >>> this newbie biting. Apart from this I had written an article on 13th
>> >>> October 2019 with the template Under constriction for which he
>> commented
>> >>> saying there is no such topic. I was planning to complete the article
>> with
>> >>> reference to the title today.
>> >>>
>> >>> I would like to hear suggestions from experienced people on how do
>> deal
>> >>> with this kind of situation.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> Dhanalakshmi K T
>> >>> ___
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>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Pavan Santhosh.
>> >> 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] Newbie biting in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedias

[Dhanalakshmi K. T.]

Hello,

I don't know what happened to my email. I had sent the email to the list on
Oct 14, 2019. But it reached the list only on Oct 28, 2019. As many have
suggested as reply to the email, I have already written in Kannada and Tulu
Wikipedia Village Pumps, after sending the email.


Regards,
Dhanalakshmi K T


On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 8:00 PM pavan santhosh 
wrote:

> Hello Asaf,
>
> Nice to hear from you. Thanks for making things clear. Kudos to your point
> on balancing between quality of content and welcoming new Wikipedians. I
> don't think that they are contradicting tasks. In long run, developing an
> environment where experienced editors will step in and help newbies
> understand how to contribute quality content that sticks to the core
> content policies is, ideally, something that we need to work on. Hope we
> will find another platform/thread to discuss such steps.
>
> Bye for now.
>
> Thanks & Regards,
> Pavan.
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:45 PM Asaf Bartov  wrote:
>
> > More explicitly: Wikipedia communities are self-governing.  This means
> > this mailing list has no particular ability to regulate behavior on the
> > Kannada or Tulu Wikipedias.  It is to your fellow community members on
> > those wikis that you should complain about the newbie-biter's behavior.
> > Those communities should step up and stop the newbie-biting if they are
> > interested in welcoming newcomers and seeing their community grow.
> >
> > (Remind people -- on-wiki -- that avoiding newbie-biting *does not* equal
> > compromising on quality; it's just a better attitude to showing newcomers
> > their mistakes or where (and how!) an article can be improved.)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >A.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:31 AM pavan santhosh <
> pavansanthos...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Dhanalakshmi KT,
> >>
> >> This is worth discussing in WP:Village pump as Ashwin sir suggested. I
> >> believe discussions in Tulu and Kannada Wikipedia helps to resolve issue
> >> better.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:45 PM Dhanalakshmi K. T. <
> lakshmik...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> We are all aware of Newbie biting. One editor by User name Lokesha
> >>> kunchadka
> >>> <
> https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%A6%E0%B2%B8%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AF:Lokesha_kunchadka>
> who
> >>> is indulging in Newbie biting in Kannada and Tulu Wikipedias from
> almost
> >>> last 2-3 months. He was issued a warning by the admin in Kannada
> Wikipedia,
> >>> link is here
> >>> <
> https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%A6%E0%B2%B8%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AF%E0%B2%B0_%E0%B2%9A%E0%B2%B0%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%9A%E0%B3%86%E0%B2%AA%E0%B3%81%E0%B2%9F:Lokesha_kunchadka#Newbie_biting
> >
> >>> .
> >>>
> >>> I have been conducting Diversity Editathons from last 3 months. One of
> >>> the major aims of these editathons is to bring more women editors.
> Before
> >>> the new editor completes the article this person jumps in and adds
> >>> templates to imply the article is not of good quality. The new editors,
> >>> especially the women editors, are scared to continue editing because of
> >>> this newbie biting. Apart from this I had written an article on 13th
> >>> October 2019 with the template Under constriction for which he
> commented
> >>> saying there is no such topic. I was planning to complete the article
> with
> >>> reference to the title today.
> >>>
> >>> I would like to hear suggestions from experienced people on how do deal
> >>> with this kind of situation.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Dhanalakshmi K T
> >>> ___
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> >>
> >>
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