[Wikimediaindia-l] default time zones for projects in languages of India

[Amir E. Aharoni]

Hi,

Some Wikimedia projects in languages of India have Indian time defined as
the default time zone. Some don't. For precise info see:
http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php

Search that file for wgLocaltimezone. You'll see that some projects have
"Asia/Kolkata" as the timezone, for example guwiki (Gujarati Wikipedia),
but some don't appear at all, which means that their default timezone is
UTC. So for example if one goes to recent changes on the Assamese
Wikisource, then the times will show by default in IST, but on Assamese
Wikipedia it will be UTC.

I guess that at least some of the projects will want to switch to the
timezone of India. It's easy to do - a line for each project needs to be
added for each site, but this should come in as requests from each site's
community.

If you have a few minutes, please check whether your favorite Wikimedia
uses the appropriate default time zone. If it doesn't, please bring this up
for community discussion, and if the community agrees, please request to
change it in Bugzilla (or just submit a patch directly to Gerrit).

If you need any technical explanation (for example, if you have no idea how
to work with Bugzilla and Gerrit), I am available for questions.

Thank you!

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] default time zones for projects in languages of India

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,

Apart from this, the date formats also needs to be standardised.
In India, we use dd/mm/yy as default. Whereas most editors outside
India (but editing Indian languages wiki) use mm/dd/yy format. This
cause huge confusions. eg. 09/10/14 is 09 Oct 14 or 10 Sep 14. A
simpler and better way could be to standardise the display on the
pages to dd-mmm- date formats and hh:mm:ss am/pm local timezone.
This could be same for any IP based editing but at the same time,
logged in users should have their own preferences in their settings.

Not sure how much this is already implemented. If not done earlier,
could be taken up for implementation.
Regards
-Sudhanwa


On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Some Wikimedia projects in languages of India have Indian time defined as
> the default time zone. Some don't. For precise info see:
> http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php
>
> Search that file for wgLocaltimezone. You'll see that some projects have
> "Asia/Kolkata" as the timezone, for example guwiki (Gujarati Wikipedia), but
> some don't appear at all, which means that their default timezone is UTC. So
> for example if one goes to recent changes on the Assamese Wikisource, then
> the times will show by default in IST, but on Assamese Wikipedia it will be
> UTC.
>
> I guess that at least some of the projects will want to switch to the
> timezone of India. It's easy to do - a line for each project needs to be
> added for each site, but this should come in as requests from each site's
> community.
>
> If you have a few minutes, please check whether your favorite Wikimedia uses
> the appropriate default time zone. If it doesn't, please bring this up for
> community discussion, and if the community agrees, please request to change
> it in Bugzilla (or just submit a patch directly to Gerrit).
>
> If you need any technical explanation (for example, if you have no idea how
> to work with Bugzilla and Gerrit), I am available for questions.
>
> Thank you!
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] default time zones for projects in languages of India

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Sudhanwa, while I don't know about Indian language projects, I do know that
on the English Wikipedia, we have (or atleast used to) a standard date
format of -MM-DD. This is a reversed order which I assume would be
relatively easy to follow since even machines understand it.
Cheerio.
 On 09-Oct-2014 11:24 pm, "Sudhanwa Jogalekar" 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Apart from this, the date formats also needs to be standardised.
> In India, we use dd/mm/yy as default. Whereas most editors outside
> India (but editing Indian languages wiki) use mm/dd/yy format. This
> cause huge confusions. eg. 09/10/14 is 09 Oct 14 or 10 Sep 14. A
> simpler and better way could be to standardise the display on the
> pages to dd-mmm- date formats and hh:mm:ss am/pm local timezone.
> This could be same for any IP based editing but at the same time,
> logged in users should have their own preferences in their settings.
>
> Not sure how much this is already implemented. If not done earlier,
> could be taken up for implementation.
> Regards
> -Sudhanwa
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
>  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Some Wikimedia projects in languages of India have Indian time defined as
> > the default time zone. Some don't. For precise info see:
> > http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php
> >
> > Search that file for wgLocaltimezone. You'll see that some projects have
> > "Asia/Kolkata" as the timezone, for example guwiki (Gujarati Wikipedia),
> but
> > some don't appear at all, which means that their default timezone is
> UTC. So
> > for example if one goes to recent changes on the Assamese Wikisource,
> then
> > the times will show by default in IST, but on Assamese Wikipedia it will
> be
> > UTC.
> >
> > I guess that at least some of the projects will want to switch to the
> > timezone of India. It's easy to do - a line for each project needs to be
> > added for each site, but this should come in as requests from each site's
> > community.
> >
> > If you have a few minutes, please check whether your favorite Wikimedia
> uses
> > the appropriate default time zone. If it doesn't, please bring this up
> for
> > community discussion, and if the community agrees, please request to
> change
> > it in Bugzilla (or just submit a patch directly to Gerrit).
> >
> > If you need any technical explanation (for example, if you have no idea
> how
> > to work with Bugzilla and Gerrit), I am available for questions.
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] default time zones for projects in languages of India

[Amir E. Aharoni]

Oh, thanks for bringing that up.
The Common Locale Data Repository (CLDR) has information about date formats
for different languages and countries. MediaWiki already uses the CLDR for
some information, and can possibly use it for date formats as well. I'll
pass this on to the engineers.


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2014-10-09 20:54 GMT+03:00 Sudhanwa Jogalekar :

> Hi,
>
> Apart from this, the date formats also needs to be standardised.
> In India, we use dd/mm/yy as default. Whereas most editors outside
> India (but editing Indian languages wiki) use mm/dd/yy format. This
> cause huge confusions. eg. 09/10/14 is 09 Oct 14 or 10 Sep 14. A
> simpler and better way could be to standardise the display on the
> pages to dd-mmm- date formats and hh:mm:ss am/pm local timezone.
> This could be same for any IP based editing but at the same time,
> logged in users should have their own preferences in their settings.
>
> Not sure how much this is already implemented. If not done earlier,
> could be taken up for implementation.
> Regards
> -Sudhanwa
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
>  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Some Wikimedia projects in languages of India have Indian time defined as
> > the default time zone. Some don't. For precise info see:
> > http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php
> >
> > Search that file for wgLocaltimezone. You'll see that some projects have
> > "Asia/Kolkata" as the timezone, for example guwiki (Gujarati Wikipedia),
> but
> > some don't appear at all, which means that their default timezone is
> UTC. So
> > for example if one goes to recent changes on the Assamese Wikisource,
> then
> > the times will show by default in IST, but on Assamese Wikipedia it will
> be
> > UTC.
> >
> > I guess that at least some of the projects will want to switch to the
> > timezone of India. It's easy to do - a line for each project needs to be
> > added for each site, but this should come in as requests from each site's
> > community.
> >
> > If you have a few minutes, please check whether your favorite Wikimedia
> uses
> > the appropriate default time zone. If it doesn't, please bring this up
> for
> > community discussion, and if the community agrees, please request to
> change
> > it in Bugzilla (or just submit a patch directly to Gerrit).
> >
> > If you need any technical explanation (for example, if you have no idea
> how
> > to work with Bugzilla and Gerrit), I am available for questions.
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > --
> > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> > http://aharoni.wordpress.com
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] default time zones for projects in languages of India

[വിശ്വപ്രഭ]

+1 Srikanth Ramakrishnan

The ISO 8601 format  for date too
corresponds to the same above (-MM-DD) format.

Real advantages of this format are (1) Non-ambiguity, (2) Correct sort
order even when data is processed as pure text and (3) international
consistency

Certainly, this is one of the subset of CLDR too.

I suggest all Wikimedia projects should have this format as default, but
again, customizable per user preferences.

-Viswam



On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sudhanwa, while I don't know about Indian language projects, I do know
> that on the English Wikipedia, we have (or atleast used to) a standard date
> format of -MM-DD. This is a reversed order which I assume would be
> relatively easy to follow since even machines understand it.
> Cheerio.
>  On 09-Oct-2014 11:24 pm, "Sudhanwa Jogalekar" 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Apart from this, the date formats also needs to be standardised.
>> In India, we use dd/mm/yy as default. Whereas most editors outside
>> India (but editing Indian languages wiki) use mm/dd/yy format. This
>> cause huge confusions. eg. 09/10/14 is 09 Oct 14 or 10 Sep 14. A
>> simpler and better way could be to standardise the display on the
>> pages to dd-mmm- date formats and hh:mm:ss am/pm local timezone.
>> This could be same for any IP based editing but at the same time,
>> logged in users should have their own preferences in their settings.
>>
>> Not sure how much this is already implemented. If not done earlier,
>> could be taken up for implementation.
>> Regards
>> -Sudhanwa
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
>>  wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Some Wikimedia projects in languages of India have Indian time defined
>> as
>> > the default time zone. Some don't. For precise info see:
>> > http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php
>> >
>> > Search that file for wgLocaltimezone. You'll see that some projects have
>> > "Asia/Kolkata" as the timezone, for example guwiki (Gujarati
>> Wikipedia), but
>> > some don't appear at all, which means that their default timezone is
>> UTC. So
>> > for example if one goes to recent changes on the Assamese Wikisource,
>> then
>> > the times will show by default in IST, but on Assamese Wikipedia it
>> will be
>> > UTC.
>> >
>> > I guess that at least some of the projects will want to switch to the
>> > timezone of India. It's easy to do - a line for each project needs to be
>> > added for each site, but this should come in as requests from each
>> site's
>> > community.
>> >
>> > If you have a few minutes, please check whether your favorite Wikimedia
>> uses
>> > the appropriate default time zone. If it doesn't, please bring this up
>> for
>> > community discussion, and if the community agrees, please request to
>> change
>> > it in Bugzilla (or just submit a patch directly to Gerrit).
>> >
>> > If you need any technical explanation (for example, if you have no idea
>> how
>> > to work with Bugzilla and Gerrit), I am available for questions.
>> >
>> > Thank you!
>> >
>> > --
>> > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
>> > http://aharoni.wordpress.com
>> > ‪“We're living in pieces,
>> > I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
>> >
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] default time zones for projects in languages of India

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Whenever there is  DD or MM format , there is a confusion. Month should be
mmm.
On Oct 10, 2014 11:23 AM, "ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)" 
wrote:

> +1 Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>
> The ISO 8601 format  for date too
> corresponds to the same above (-MM-DD) format.
>
> Real advantages of this format are (1) Non-ambiguity, (2) Correct sort
> order even when data is processed as pure text and (3) international
> consistency
>
> Certainly, this is one of the subset of CLDR too.
>
> I suggest all Wikimedia projects should have this format as default, but
> again, customizable per user preferences.
>
> -Viswam
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sudhanwa, while I don't know about Indian language projects, I do know
>> that on the English Wikipedia, we have (or atleast used to) a standard date
>> format of -MM-DD. This is a reversed order which I assume would be
>> relatively easy to follow since even machines understand it.
>> Cheerio.
>>  On 09-Oct-2014 11:24 pm, "Sudhanwa Jogalekar" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Apart from this, the date formats also needs to be standardised.
>>> In India, we use dd/mm/yy as default. Whereas most editors outside
>>> India (but editing Indian languages wiki) use mm/dd/yy format. This
>>> cause huge confusions. eg. 09/10/14 is 09 Oct 14 or 10 Sep 14. A
>>> simpler and better way could be to standardise the display on the
>>> pages to dd-mmm- date formats and hh:mm:ss am/pm local timezone.
>>> This could be same for any IP based editing but at the same time,
>>> logged in users should have their own preferences in their settings.
>>>
>>> Not sure how much this is already implemented. If not done earlier,
>>> could be taken up for implementation.
>>> Regards
>>> -Sudhanwa
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
>>>  wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > Some Wikimedia projects in languages of India have Indian time defined
>>> as
>>> > the default time zone. Some don't. For precise info see:
>>> >
>>> http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php
>>> >
>>> > Search that file for wgLocaltimezone. You'll see that some projects
>>> have
>>> > "Asia/Kolkata" as the timezone, for example guwiki (Gujarati
>>> Wikipedia), but
>>> > some don't appear at all, which means that their default timezone is
>>> UTC. So
>>> > for example if one goes to recent changes on the Assamese Wikisource,
>>> then
>>> > the times will show by default in IST, but on Assamese Wikipedia it
>>> will be
>>> > UTC.
>>> >
>>> > I guess that at least some of the projects will want to switch to the
>>> > timezone of India. It's easy to do - a line for each project needs to
>>> be
>>> > added for each site, but this should come in as requests from each
>>> site's
>>> > community.
>>> >
>>> > If you have a few minutes, please check whether your favorite
>>> Wikimedia uses
>>> > the appropriate default time zone. If it doesn't, please bring this up
>>> for
>>> > community discussion, and if the community agrees, please request to
>>> change
>>> > it in Bugzilla (or just submit a patch directly to Gerrit).
>>> >
>>> > If you need any technical explanation (for example, if you have no
>>> idea how
>>> > to work with Bugzilla and Gerrit), I am available for questions.
>>> >
>>> > Thank you!
>>> >
>>> > --
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>>> > I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] default time zones for projects in languages of India

[Dr Pavanaja]

I am for mmm for month name

-Pavanaja

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar 
wrote:

> Whenever there is  DD or MM format , there is a confusion. Month should be
> mmm.
> On Oct 10, 2014 11:23 AM, "ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)" 
> wrote:
>
>> +1 Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>>
>> The ISO 8601 format  for date
>> too corresponds to the same above (-MM-DD) format.
>>
>> Real advantages of this format are (1) Non-ambiguity, (2) Correct sort
>> order even when data is processed as pure text and (3) international
>> consistency
>>
>> Certainly, this is one of the subset of CLDR too.
>>
>> I suggest all Wikimedia projects should have this format as default, but
>> again, customizable per user preferences.
>>
>> -Viswam
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
>> rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sudhanwa, while I don't know about Indian language projects, I do know
>>> that on the English Wikipedia, we have (or atleast used to) a standard date
>>> format of -MM-DD. This is a reversed order which I assume would be
>>> relatively easy to follow since even machines understand it.
>>> Cheerio.
>>>  On 09-Oct-2014 11:24 pm, "Sudhanwa Jogalekar" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 Apart from this, the date formats also needs to be standardised.
 In India, we use dd/mm/yy as default. Whereas most editors outside
 India (but editing Indian languages wiki) use mm/dd/yy format. This
 cause huge confusions. eg. 09/10/14 is 09 Oct 14 or 10 Sep 14. A
 simpler and better way could be to standardise the display on the
 pages to dd-mmm- date formats and hh:mm:ss am/pm local timezone.
 This could be same for any IP based editing but at the same time,
 logged in users should have their own preferences in their settings.

 Not sure how much this is already implemented. If not done earlier,
 could be taken up for implementation.
 Regards
 -Sudhanwa


 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
  wrote:
 > Hi,
 >
 > Some Wikimedia projects in languages of India have Indian time
 defined as
 > the default time zone. Some don't. For precise info see:
 >
 http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php
 >
 > Search that file for wgLocaltimezone. You'll see that some projects
 have
 > "Asia/Kolkata" as the timezone, for example guwiki (Gujarati
 Wikipedia), but
 > some don't appear at all, which means that their default timezone is
 UTC. So
 > for example if one goes to recent changes on the Assamese Wikisource,
 then
 > the times will show by default in IST, but on Assamese Wikipedia it
 will be
 > UTC.
 >
 > I guess that at least some of the projects will want to switch to the
 > timezone of India. It's easy to do - a line for each project needs to
 be
 > added for each site, but this should come in as requests from each
 site's
 > community.
 >
 > If you have a few minutes, please check whether your favorite
 Wikimedia uses
 > the appropriate default time zone. If it doesn't, please bring this
 up for
 > community discussion, and if the community agrees, please request to
 change
 > it in Bugzilla (or just submit a patch directly to Gerrit).
 >
 > If you need any technical explanation (for example, if you have no
 idea how
 > to work with Bugzilla and Gerrit), I am available for questions.
 >
 > Thank you!
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