Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] women and technology
Dear Rohini, The problem is common for all newbies. It seems to have been interpreted in this manner in the context of the workshop. As per statistics, there are only 9% women in Wikipedia and the count is similar for other FOSS projects as well. So the underlying message is to a. ensure that more women participate and b. make all newbie editors/contributors feel comfortable On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Tejaswini Niranjana t...@cscs.res.inwrote: Hi Ansuman, your point about opening new ways is well-taken. It is the wiki community that has identified a gender gap, so to think of ways of dealing with it is not to show gender bias. Thanks for the support. On 10 March 2013 23:32, ansuman ansum...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am sorry. I din't mean to make it a gender bias. I totally understand your point and I think you are right. I just thought, that way it could help. Still I think as per Gender Gap Campaign, if we discuss and make it a point on the guidelines that as we are trying to have more female wikipedians, be nice to new editors. I understand the review process should not be based on the gender. And I am not saying identifying female editors is the solution, but if they wish to reveal (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Female_Wikipedians), the community should think of something, which could help. I am not deciding anything for them. I am trying to open new ways which could help. Thanks , http://twitter.com/an5umAnsuman On 10 March 2013 18:47, Tejaswini Niranjana t...@cscs.res.in wrote: Hi Ansuman, The gender gap link provides useful information about the kinds of projects people are working on. Thanks for pointing it out. Not sure about the need to identify female editors. Increasing relevant and gender-sensitive content whether in the Indian languages or in English could be a task for all of us. And yes, be nice to all newbies! Tejaswini On 10 March 2013 14:39, ansuman ansum...@gmail.com wrote: Having read this, I think you girls should start a RFC on English Wikipedia highlighting this issue, and may be many would agree to have a point added to WP:Deletion Policy ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy) or at least at Wikipedia:NPP#Be nice to the newbies ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP#Be_nice_to_the_newbies) and even Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers Also you may raise this issue at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap. It's a possibility others may have been raised this issue already, and you can join the discussion. Many new comers work at WP:NPP and there is no way to recognize female editors on Wiki unless they mentioned it on their userpages. And they don't visit userpages. A solution could be to add a new gadget like markAdmins, which works like this http://en.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6636985curid=6466221action=history I don't know if it is possible technically. But if we could add a similar gadget and if they like to reveal their gender, then it'd be easy. Just my thought, many would find it extra burden. But you may go ahead and give it a try. Regards, Ansuman http://twitter.com/an5um* * On 10 March 2013 11:48, swetapadma d. satpathy swetapadm...@gmail.comwrote: A very good read and truly written. Regards, Swetapadma On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Arun Ramarathnam arunra...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see wikipedians mentioned in the article. Interesting to note the article mention the following... *When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a male-dominated world of code. * Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors pulling the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being less tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of their gender. I believe it more often than not the second. To share another incident to illustrate the point. There was another Women's Wikipedia workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady editor to take her through the paces of a new article title Nalini Nayak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak. This was being shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants to watch and learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a Speedy Delete notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one could Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of noteability. We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time getting on to
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] women and technology
Hi Ansuman, your point about opening new ways is well-taken. It is the wiki community that has identified a gender gap, so to think of ways of dealing with it is not to show gender bias. Thanks for the support. On 10 March 2013 23:32, ansuman ansum...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am sorry. I din't mean to make it a gender bias. I totally understand your point and I think you are right. I just thought, that way it could help. Still I think as per Gender Gap Campaign, if we discuss and make it a point on the guidelines that as we are trying to have more female wikipedians, be nice to new editors. I understand the review process should not be based on the gender. And I am not saying identifying female editors is the solution, but if they wish to reveal (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Female_Wikipedians), the community should think of something, which could help. I am not deciding anything for them. I am trying to open new ways which could help. Thanks , http://twitter.com/an5umAnsuman On 10 March 2013 18:47, Tejaswini Niranjana t...@cscs.res.in wrote: Hi Ansuman, The gender gap link provides useful information about the kinds of projects people are working on. Thanks for pointing it out. Not sure about the need to identify female editors. Increasing relevant and gender-sensitive content whether in the Indian languages or in English could be a task for all of us. And yes, be nice to all newbies! Tejaswini On 10 March 2013 14:39, ansuman ansum...@gmail.com wrote: Having read this, I think you girls should start a RFC on English Wikipedia highlighting this issue, and may be many would agree to have a point added to WP:Deletion Policy ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy) or at least at Wikipedia:NPP#Be nice to the newbies ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP#Be_nice_to_the_newbies) and even Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers Also you may raise this issue at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap. It's a possibility others may have been raised this issue already, and you can join the discussion. Many new comers work at WP:NPP and there is no way to recognize female editors on Wiki unless they mentioned it on their userpages. And they don't visit userpages. A solution could be to add a new gadget like markAdmins, which works like this http://en.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6636985curid=6466221action=history I don't know if it is possible technically. But if we could add a similar gadget and if they like to reveal their gender, then it'd be easy. Just my thought, many would find it extra burden. But you may go ahead and give it a try. Regards, Ansuman http://twitter.com/an5um* * On 10 March 2013 11:48, swetapadma d. satpathy swetapadm...@gmail.comwrote: A very good read and truly written. Regards, Swetapadma On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Arun Ramarathnam arunra...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see wikipedians mentioned in the article. Interesting to note the article mention the following... *When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a male-dominated world of code. * Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors pulling the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being less tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of their gender. I believe it more often than not the second. To share another incident to illustrate the point. There was another Women's Wikipedia workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady editor to take her through the paces of a new article title Nalini Nayak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak. This was being shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants to watch and learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a Speedy Delete notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one could Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of noteability. We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time getting on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know we have very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project this as a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may not be the case). Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of the news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the media too). For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was co-organised by
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] women and technology
Having read this, I think you girls should start a RFC on English Wikipedia
highlighting this issue, and may be many would agree to have a point added
to WP:Deletion Policy (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy) or at least at
Wikipedia:NPP#Be nice to the newbies (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP#Be_nice_to_the_newbies) and
even Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers
Also you may raise this issue at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap.
It's a possibility others may have been raised this issue already, and you
can join the discussion.
Many new comers work at WP:NPP and there is no way to recognize female
editors on Wiki unless they mentioned it on their userpages. And they don't
visit userpages.
A solution could be to add a new gadget like markAdmins, which works like
this
http://en.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6636985curid=6466221action=history
I don't know if it is possible technically.
But if we could add a similar gadget and if they like to reveal their
gender, then it'd be easy.
Just my thought, many would find it extra burden. But you may go ahead and
give it a try.
Regards,
Ansuman http://twitter.com/an5um*
*
On 10 March 2013 11:48, swetapadma d. satpathy swetapadm...@gmail.comwrote:
A very good read and truly written.
Regards,
Swetapadma
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Arun Ramarathnam arunra...@gmail.comwrote:
Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see
wikipedians mentioned in the article.
Interesting to note the article mention the following...
*When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male
editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for
anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a
template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more
supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a
male-dominated world of code.
*
Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors pulling
the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being less
tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of their
gender. I believe it more often than not the second.
To share another incident to illustrate the point. There was another
Women's
Wikipedia
workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running
in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady
editor to take her through the paces of a new article title Nalini
Nayakhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak.
This was being shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants
to watch and learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a
Speedy Delete notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one
could Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of noteability.
We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time
getting on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know
we have very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project
this as a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may
not be the case).
Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of the
news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the media
too).
For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was co-organised
by many supportive men keen to bridge the gender gap in wikipedia - Om,
Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was led by a very
capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra!
We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more sensitive
and to be careful not to
*Bite*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers
new editors (irrespective of gender). There also appears to be a template
{{this is a new
userhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:This_is_a_new_user
}} that new users can sport on their user pages.
Have a good weekend everyone!
regards
Arun
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Tejaswini Niranjana
t...@cscs.res.inwrote:
Nice to see Nikita's name in the article.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old-boys-club/article4492068.ece?homepage=true
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(HEIRA)
Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS)
Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS)
Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute
of Science (CCS-IISc)
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] women and technology
Dear Ansuman,
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 2:39 PM, ansuman ansum...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
Also you may raise this issue at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap.
It's a possibility others may have been raised this issue already, and you
can join the discussion.
Just a thought.
The point I was making in my post was that this was perhaps not gender
specific. It seems to happen to many new editors. Let us please not
generalize this and make this gender bias. This issue is a case of lack of
sensitivity to new editors.
Many new comers work at WP:NPP and there is no way to recognize female
editors on Wiki unless they mentioned it on their userpages. And they don't
visit userpages.
Also why should one need to recognize the gender of a user? Extending
courtesies or extending a helpful hand to new editor surely has nothing to
do with the gender of an editor. It should apply to all new editors.
From my interactions in a few workshops related to bridge gender gaps, most
women dont want any special treatment, they just want a fair take at things
like anyone else.
Best regards
Arun
On 10 March 2013 11:48, swetapadma d. satpathy swetapadm...@gmail.comwrote:
A very good read and truly written.
Regards,
Swetapadma
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Arun Ramarathnam
arunra...@gmail.comwrote:
Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see
wikipedians mentioned in the article.
Interesting to note the article mention the following...
*When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male
editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for
anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a
template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more
supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a
male-dominated world of code.
*
Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors
pulling the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being
less tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of
their gender. I believe it more often than not the second.
To share another incident to illustrate the point. There was another
Women's
Wikipedia
workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running
in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady
editor to take her through the paces of a new article title Nalini
Nayak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak. This was being
shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants to watch and
learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a Speedy
Delete notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one could
Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of noteability.
We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time
getting on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know
we have very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project
this as a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may
not be the case).
Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of the
news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the media
too).
For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was co-organised
by many supportive men keen to bridge the gender gap in wikipedia - Om,
Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was led by a very
capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra!
We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more sensitive
and to be careful not to
*Bite*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers
new editors (irrespective of gender). There also appears to be a template
{{this is a new
userhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:This_is_a_new_user
}} that new users can sport on their user pages.
Have a good weekend everyone!
regards
Arun
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Tejaswini Niranjana
t...@cscs.res.inwrote:
Nice to see Nikita's name in the article.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old-boys-club/article4492068.ece?homepage=true
--
Tejaswini Niranjana, PhD
Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research Applications
(HEIRA)
Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS)
Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS)
Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute
of Science (CCS-IISc)
t: 91-80-26730476, 26730967, 26730268
f: 91-80-26730722
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] women and technology
Hi Arun,
Re: The para in italics in your mail. I agree with you that the dynamics
probably had to do with experienced editors vs. newbies, but if the former
were perceived as 'males' that tells me something about who the experienced
editors are!
To put a positive spin on it, maybe there are lots of newbies out there who
happen to be women - so they need to be encouraged along with the other
newcomers.
Glad to hear about the women's workshop which had so many of you
'supportive men'. May your tribe increase.
I will pass around the information about the new user tag. That's a very
useful point.
Tejaswini
On 10 March 2013 11:34, Arun Ramarathnam arunra...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see
wikipedians mentioned in the article.
Interesting to note the article mention the following...
*When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male
editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for
anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a
template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more
supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a
male-dominated world of code.
*
Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors pulling
the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being less
tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of their
gender. I believe it more often than not the second.
To share another incident to illustrate the point. There was another
Women's
Wikipedia
workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running
in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady
editor to take her through the paces of a new article title Nalini
Nayakhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak.
This was being shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants
to watch and learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a
Speedy Delete notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one
could Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of noteability.
We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time getting
on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know we have
very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project this as
a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may not be the
case).
Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of the
news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the media
too).
For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was co-organised by
many supportive men keen to bridge the gender gap in wikipedia - Om,
Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was led by a very
capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra!
We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more sensitive
and to be careful not to
*Bite*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers
new editors (irrespective of gender). There also appears to be a template
{{this is a new userhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:This_is_a_new_user
}} that new users can sport on their user pages.
Have a good weekend everyone!
regards
Arun
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Tejaswini Niranjana t...@cscs.res.inwrote:
Nice to see Nikita's name in the article.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old-boys-club/article4492068.ece?homepage=true
--
Tejaswini Niranjana, PhD
Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research Applications
(HEIRA)
Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS)
Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS)
Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute
of Science (CCS-IISc)
t: 91-80-26730476, 26730967, 26730268
f: 91-80-26730722
http://heira.in
www.cscs.res.in
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Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS)
Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS)
Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute
of Science (CCS-IISc)
t: 91-80-26730476, 26730967, 26730268
f: 91-80-26730722
http://heira.in
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] women and technology
Hi Ansuman,
The gender gap link provides useful information about the kinds of projects
people are working on. Thanks for pointing it out.
Not sure about the need to identify female editors. Increasing relevant and
gender-sensitive content whether in the Indian languages or in English
could be a task for all of us.
And yes, be nice to all newbies!
Tejaswini
On 10 March 2013 14:39, ansuman ansum...@gmail.com wrote:
Having read this, I think you girls should start a RFC on English
Wikipedia highlighting this issue, and may be many would agree to have a
point added to WP:Deletion Policy (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy) or at least at
Wikipedia:NPP#Be nice to the newbies (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP#Be_nice_to_the_newbies) and
even Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers
Also you may raise this issue at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap.
It's a possibility others may have been raised this issue already, and you
can join the discussion.
Many new comers work at WP:NPP and there is no way to recognize female
editors on Wiki unless they mentioned it on their userpages. And they don't
visit userpages.
A solution could be to add a new gadget like markAdmins, which works like
this
http://en.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6636985curid=6466221action=history
I don't know if it is possible technically.
But if we could add a similar gadget and if they like to reveal their
gender, then it'd be easy.
Just my thought, many would find it extra burden. But you may go ahead and
give it a try.
Regards,
Ansuman http://twitter.com/an5um*
*
On 10 March 2013 11:48, swetapadma d. satpathy swetapadm...@gmail.comwrote:
A very good read and truly written.
Regards,
Swetapadma
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Arun Ramarathnam
arunra...@gmail.comwrote:
Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see
wikipedians mentioned in the article.
Interesting to note the article mention the following...
*When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male
editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for
anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a
template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more
supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a
male-dominated world of code.
*
Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors
pulling the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being
less tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of
their gender. I believe it more often than not the second.
To share another incident to illustrate the point. There was another
Women's
Wikipedia
workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running
in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady
editor to take her through the paces of a new article title Nalini
Nayak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak. This was being
shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants to watch and
learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a Speedy
Delete notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one could
Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of noteability.
We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time
getting on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know
we have very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project
this as a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may
not be the case).
Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of the
news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the media
too).
For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was co-organised
by many supportive men keen to bridge the gender gap in wikipedia - Om,
Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was led by a very
capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra!
We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more sensitive
and to be careful not to
*Bite*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers
new editors (irrespective of gender). There also appears to be a template
{{this is a new
userhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:This_is_a_new_user
}} that new users can sport on their user pages.
Have a good weekend everyone!
regards
Arun
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Tejaswini Niranjana
t...@cscs.res.inwrote:
Nice to see Nikita's name in the article.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old-boys-club/article4492068.ece?homepage=true
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Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research Applications
(HEIRA)
Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS)
Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] women and technology
Hi, I am sorry. I din't mean to make it a gender bias. I totally understand your point and I think you are right. I just thought, that way it could help. Still I think as per Gender Gap Campaign, if we discuss and make it a point on the guidelines that as we are trying to have more female wikipedians, be nice to new editors. I understand the review process should not be based on the gender. And I am not saying identifying female editors is the solution, but if they wish to reveal (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Female_Wikipedians), the community should think of something, which could help. I am not deciding anything for them. I am trying to open new ways which could help. Thanks , http://twitter.com/an5umAnsuman On 10 March 2013 18:47, Tejaswini Niranjana t...@cscs.res.in wrote: Hi Ansuman, The gender gap link provides useful information about the kinds of projects people are working on. Thanks for pointing it out. Not sure about the need to identify female editors. Increasing relevant and gender-sensitive content whether in the Indian languages or in English could be a task for all of us. And yes, be nice to all newbies! Tejaswini On 10 March 2013 14:39, ansuman ansum...@gmail.com wrote: Having read this, I think you girls should start a RFC on English Wikipedia highlighting this issue, and may be many would agree to have a point added to WP:Deletion Policy ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy) or at least at Wikipedia:NPP#Be nice to the newbies ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP#Be_nice_to_the_newbies) and even Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers Also you may raise this issue at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap. It's a possibility others may have been raised this issue already, and you can join the discussion. Many new comers work at WP:NPP and there is no way to recognize female editors on Wiki unless they mentioned it on their userpages. And they don't visit userpages. A solution could be to add a new gadget like markAdmins, which works like this http://en.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6636985curid=6466221action=history I don't know if it is possible technically. But if we could add a similar gadget and if they like to reveal their gender, then it'd be easy. Just my thought, many would find it extra burden. But you may go ahead and give it a try. Regards, Ansuman http://twitter.com/an5um* * On 10 March 2013 11:48, swetapadma d. satpathy swetapadm...@gmail.comwrote: A very good read and truly written. Regards, Swetapadma On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Arun Ramarathnam arunra...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see wikipedians mentioned in the article. Interesting to note the article mention the following... *When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a male-dominated world of code. * Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors pulling the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being less tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of their gender. I believe it more often than not the second. To share another incident to illustrate the point. There was another Women's Wikipedia workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady editor to take her through the paces of a new article title Nalini Nayak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak. This was being shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants to watch and learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a Speedy Delete notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one could Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of noteability. We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time getting on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know we have very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project this as a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may not be the case). Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of the news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the media too). For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was co-organised by many supportive men keen to bridge the gender gap in wikipedia - Om, Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was led by a very capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra! We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more sensitive and to be careful not to
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] women and technology
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 7:04 AM, Arun Ramarathnam arunra...@gmail.comwrote: When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, *male editors were quick to pull them down*. “This can be intimidating for anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a male-dominated world of code. I don't understand how pages getting deleted quickly has anything to do with the gender of the editor. Yes, it's more likely that articles related to Kate Middleton's ward-robe are likely to get deleted faster than articles on esoteric distros of Linux (an example Jimmy gave earlier) but I don't see how the above assertions make any sense. It displays misunderstanding of the problem related to gender-gap (no, it's not Wikimedia-specific) and shows our projects in a bad light. Anirudh ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
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Dear Nikita, The article suggests that male Wikipedia editors put down newbie female editors. Your comments, placed in conjunction with examples that speak of misogyny and sexism, show Wikipedia editors in poor light. Can you clarify if the newspaper has misquoted you? Regards, Rohini -- Chairperson (Special Interest Groups), Gendergap, Wikimedia Chapter (India) On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:02 PM, ansuman ansum...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am sorry. I din't mean to make it a gender bias. I totally understand your point and I think you are right. I just thought, that way it could help. Still I think as per Gender Gap Campaign, if we discuss and make it a point on the guidelines that as we are trying to have more female wikipedians, be nice to new editors. I understand the review process should not be based on the gender. And I am not saying identifying female editors is the solution, but if they wish to reveal (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Female_Wikipedians), the community should think of something, which could help. I am not deciding anything for them. I am trying to open new ways which could help. Thanks , http://twitter.com/an5umAnsuman On 10 March 2013 18:47, Tejaswini Niranjana t...@cscs.res.in wrote: Hi Ansuman, The gender gap link provides useful information about the kinds of projects people are working on. Thanks for pointing it out. Not sure about the need to identify female editors. Increasing relevant and gender-sensitive content whether in the Indian languages or in English could be a task for all of us. And yes, be nice to all newbies! Tejaswini On 10 March 2013 14:39, ansuman ansum...@gmail.com wrote: Having read this, I think you girls should start a RFC on English Wikipedia highlighting this issue, and may be many would agree to have a point added to WP:Deletion Policy ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy) or at least at Wikipedia:NPP#Be nice to the newbies ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP#Be_nice_to_the_newbies) and even Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers Also you may raise this issue at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap. It's a possibility others may have been raised this issue already, and you can join the discussion. Many new comers work at WP:NPP and there is no way to recognize female editors on Wiki unless they mentioned it on their userpages. And they don't visit userpages. A solution could be to add a new gadget like markAdmins, which works like this http://en.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6636985curid=6466221action=history I don't know if it is possible technically. But if we could add a similar gadget and if they like to reveal their gender, then it'd be easy. Just my thought, many would find it extra burden. But you may go ahead and give it a try. Regards, Ansuman http://twitter.com/an5um* * On 10 March 2013 11:48, swetapadma d. satpathy swetapadm...@gmail.comwrote: A very good read and truly written. Regards, Swetapadma On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Arun Ramarathnam arunra...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see wikipedians mentioned in the article. Interesting to note the article mention the following... *When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a male-dominated world of code. * Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors pulling the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being less tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of their gender. I believe it more often than not the second. To share another incident to illustrate the point. There was another Women's Wikipedia workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady editor to take her through the paces of a new article title Nalini Nayak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak. This was being shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants to watch and learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a Speedy Delete notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one could Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of noteability. We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time getting on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know we have very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project this as a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may not be the case). Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] women and technology
Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see
wikipedians mentioned in the article.
Interesting to note the article mention the following...
*When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male
editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for anyone,
and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a template to
delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more supportive” and
encourage those who step in to what is surely a male-dominated world of
code.
*
Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors pulling
the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being less
tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of their
gender. I believe it more often than not the second.
To share another incident to illustrate the point. There was
another Women's
Wikipedia
workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running
in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady
editor to take her through the paces of a new article title Nalini
Nayakhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak.
This was being shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants
to watch and learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a
Speedy Delete notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one
could Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of noteability.
We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time getting
on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know we have
very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project this as
a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may not be the
case).
Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of the
news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the media
too).
For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was co-organised by
many supportive men keen to bridge the gender gap in wikipedia - Om,
Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was led by a very
capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra!
We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more sensitive and
to be careful not to
*Bite*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers
new editors (irrespective of gender). There also appears to be a template
{{this is a new userhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:This_is_a_new_user
}} that new users can sport on their user pages.
Have a good weekend everyone!
regards
Arun
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Tejaswini Niranjana t...@cscs.res.inwrote:
Nice to see Nikita's name in the article.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old-boys-club/article4492068.ece?homepage=true
--
Tejaswini Niranjana, PhD
Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research Applications
(HEIRA)
Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS)
Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS)
Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute
of Science (CCS-IISc)
t: 91-80-26730476, 26730967, 26730268
f: 91-80-26730722
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A very good read and truly written.
Regards,
Swetapadma
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Arun Ramarathnam arunra...@gmail.comwrote:
Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see
wikipedians mentioned in the article.
Interesting to note the article mention the following...
*When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male
editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for
anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a
template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more
supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a
male-dominated world of code.
*
Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors pulling
the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being less
tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of their
gender. I believe it more often than not the second.
To share another incident to illustrate the point. There was another
Women's
Wikipedia
workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running
in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady
editor to take her through the paces of a new article title Nalini
Nayakhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak.
This was being shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants
to watch and learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a
Speedy Delete notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one
could Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of noteability.
We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time getting
on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know we have
very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project this as
a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may not be the
case).
Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of the
news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the media
too).
For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was co-organised by
many supportive men keen to bridge the gender gap in wikipedia - Om,
Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was led by a very
capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra!
We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more sensitive
and to be careful not to
*Bite*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers
new editors (irrespective of gender). There also appears to be a template
{{this is a new userhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:This_is_a_new_user
}} that new users can sport on their user pages.
Have a good weekend everyone!
regards
Arun
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Tejaswini Niranjana t...@cscs.res.inwrote:
Nice to see Nikita's name in the article.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old-boys-club/article4492068.ece?homepage=true
--
Tejaswini Niranjana, PhD
Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research Applications
(HEIRA)
Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS)
Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS)
Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute
of Science (CCS-IISc)
t: 91-80-26730476, 26730967, 26730268
f: 91-80-26730722
http://heira.in
www.cscs.res.in
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