Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"

[John Vandenberg]

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Nagarjuna G  wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:38 AM, CherianTinu Abraham
>  wrote:
>>
>> The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"
>> ( Article by Achal Prabhala)
>>
>> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/would-gandhi-have-been-a-wikipedian/900506/1
>>
>> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/would-gandhi-have-been-a-wikipedian/900506/0
>> ( Single Page Version)
>>
>> In 1941, a young Argentinian librarian who would soon go completely blind
>> published a story about the futility of the “total” library. His inspiration
>> was Kurd Lasswitz, a 19th century German philosopher and science-fiction
>> pioneer, whose own idea of a “universal” library was a mathematical
>> nightmare of frighteningly large but finite proportions. The writer was
>> Jorge Luis Borges, and his story, The Library of Babel, (taking off from the
>> mythical Tower of Babel, a place of linguistic dysfunction) spawned a minor
>> publishing industry of its own. Borges’ library was not a happy place: its
>> chronically overworked librarians were suicidal, thuggish cults periodically
>> vandalised the books, people spent lifetimes searching for a catalogue
>> without success, and — wondrous as it all was — no one expected to find
>> anything useful there ever.
>>
>> Eighty years after it was written, Borges’ feverish fantasy is a cautionary
>> tale for those who are tempted to take Internet-era fantasies at their word.
>> When a Google executive was asked to describe the perfect search engine, he
>> is reported to have said, “It would be like the mind of God.” Preposterous,
>> yes; but also exciting. And anyone excited enough to adopt this as a mission
>> statement would do well to have a cold shower, and heed Borges’ conclusion
>> on the topic — “The library is unlimited and cyclical”.
>>
>> Happily, there are more human, and altogether more humble manifestations of
>> the desire to learn and share and prosper. In ancient history, the
>> pre-biblical city of Babylon was a working counterpoint to the biblical
>> Tower of Babel; a bustling site where diverse crowds made good together. In
>> the present day, we are no closer to knowing everything, but we have
>> Wikipedia: a bustling website where diverse people from everywhere in the
>> world create miracles. Wikipedia’s humility is the flip-side to its success,
>> and it comes from wanting to be precisely the opposite of the total library:
>> call it a perpetually partial library, if you will. No one who has spent
>> even a minute contributing anything to it would dare assume that the job is
>> done, the perspective complete, or the game won.
>>
>> Eleven years ago to this day, Jimmy Wales typed out “Hello world!” and
>> Wikipedia was born. In 1989, Richard Stallman pioneered a form of copyright
>> licensing for software that allowed programmers and users to do virtually
>> anything they liked with it. This formed the basis for free and open source
>> software, or FOSS. In 1995, Ward Cunningham used FOSS to build the
>> underlying software for a novel form of collaboration — the “wiki”. By this
>> time, the benefits of a generous copyright licence to software were
>> apparent, and it was extended to mainstream culture — to words, sounds and
>> images. Wikipedia was among the early exponents of this free culture
>> experiment, quickly followed by sister projects of the Wikimedia Foundation:
>> Wikimedia Commons, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikibooks and more.
>>
>> Wikipedia’s collaborative system of knowledge has exceeded everyone’s
>> wildest expectations. Today, it is the world’s fifth most visited website —
>> and the sole non-profit upstart in the oligarchical fiefdom that is our
>> online landscape. There are thriving communities of volunteers in countries
>> like India and South Africa, among several other places, who are helping us
>> discover that learning does not have to be a passive act, and that the value
>> of generosity can be productive and revolutionary at once.
>>
>> Interestingly enough, it was about a hundred years ago that a young,
>> idealistic lawyer set off on a similar journey. Affected by colonialism in
>> his home, India, and faced with debilitating segregation laws in his adopted
>> home, South Africa, he saw the productive and revolutionary potential in
>> generous knowledge. Over a long sea journey from London to Cape Town, he
>> wrote down his ideas on self-determination and independence. The young
>> lawyer was, of course, Gandhi, and his book, Hind Swaraj, would go on to
>> become the intellectual blueprint for the Indian freedom movement. The
>> original was written in Gujarati in 1909. One year later, it was translated
>> into English and published as Indian Home Rule. On the cover of the first
>> edition of this English translation is a prominent, if unusual, copyright
>> legend. It reads, “No Rights Reserved”.
>>
>
> This is news to me.  here is the link:
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Gandhi-

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"

[Nagarjuna G]

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:38 AM, CherianTinu Abraham
 wrote:
>
> The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"
> ( Article by Achal Prabhala)
>
> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/would-gandhi-have-been-a-wikipedian/900506/1
>
> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/would-gandhi-have-been-a-wikipedian/900506/0
> ( Single Page Version)
>
> In 1941, a young Argentinian librarian who would soon go completely blind
> published a story about the futility of the “total” library. His inspiration
> was Kurd Lasswitz, a 19th century German philosopher and science-fiction
> pioneer, whose own idea of a “universal” library was a mathematical
> nightmare of frighteningly large but finite proportions. The writer was
> Jorge Luis Borges, and his story, The Library of Babel, (taking off from the
> mythical Tower of Babel, a place of linguistic dysfunction) spawned a minor
> publishing industry of its own. Borges’ library was not a happy place: its
> chronically overworked librarians were suicidal, thuggish cults periodically
> vandalised the books, people spent lifetimes searching for a catalogue
> without success, and — wondrous as it all was — no one expected to find
> anything useful there ever.
>
> Eighty years after it was written, Borges’ feverish fantasy is a cautionary
> tale for those who are tempted to take Internet-era fantasies at their word.
> When a Google executive was asked to describe the perfect search engine, he
> is reported to have said, “It would be like the mind of God.” Preposterous,
> yes; but also exciting. And anyone excited enough to adopt this as a mission
> statement would do well to have a cold shower, and heed Borges’ conclusion
> on the topic — “The library is unlimited and cyclical”.
>
> Happily, there are more human, and altogether more humble manifestations of
> the desire to learn and share and prosper. In ancient history, the
> pre-biblical city of Babylon was a working counterpoint to the biblical
> Tower of Babel; a bustling site where diverse crowds made good together. In
> the present day, we are no closer to knowing everything, but we have
> Wikipedia: a bustling website where diverse people from everywhere in the
> world create miracles. Wikipedia’s humility is the flip-side to its success,
> and it comes from wanting to be precisely the opposite of the total library:
> call it a perpetually partial library, if you will. No one who has spent
> even a minute contributing anything to it would dare assume that the job is
> done, the perspective complete, or the game won.
>
> Eleven years ago to this day, Jimmy Wales typed out “Hello world!” and
> Wikipedia was born. In 1989, Richard Stallman pioneered a form of copyright
> licensing for software that allowed programmers and users to do virtually
> anything they liked with it. This formed the basis for free and open source
> software, or FOSS. In 1995, Ward Cunningham used FOSS to build the
> underlying software for a novel form of collaboration — the “wiki”. By this
> time, the benefits of a generous copyright licence to software were
> apparent, and it was extended to mainstream culture — to words, sounds and
> images. Wikipedia was among the early exponents of this free culture
> experiment, quickly followed by sister projects of the Wikimedia Foundation:
> Wikimedia Commons, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikibooks and more.
>
> Wikipedia’s collaborative system of knowledge has exceeded everyone’s
> wildest expectations. Today, it is the world’s fifth most visited website —
> and the sole non-profit upstart in the oligarchical fiefdom that is our
> online landscape. There are thriving communities of volunteers in countries
> like India and South Africa, among several other places, who are helping us
> discover that learning does not have to be a passive act, and that the value
> of generosity can be productive and revolutionary at once.
>
> Interestingly enough, it was about a hundred years ago that a young,
> idealistic lawyer set off on a similar journey. Affected by colonialism in
> his home, India, and faced with debilitating segregation laws in his adopted
> home, South Africa, he saw the productive and revolutionary potential in
> generous knowledge. Over a long sea journey from London to Cape Town, he
> wrote down his ideas on self-determination and independence. The young
> lawyer was, of course, Gandhi, and his book, Hind Swaraj, would go on to
> become the intellectual blueprint for the Indian freedom movement. The
> original was written in Gujarati in 1909. One year later, it was translated
> into English and published as Indian Home Rule. On the cover of the first
> edition of this English translation is a prominent, if unusual, copyright
> legend. It reads, “No Rights Reserved”.
>

This is news to me.  here is the link:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Gandhi-Home-Rule-First-Edition-1909.jpg

a page I will show to every one!

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"

[Béria Lima]

I have a blue Brazilian one, is good enough? (At least is the same colour
;) )
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On 17 January 2012 12:50, Anirudh Bhati  wrote:

> You don't have the blue Indian passport yet.
>
> :p
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Béria Lima  wrote:
>
>> /me is proud of being indian too
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh, I forgot I'm not indian! ;)
>> _
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>>  <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484
>>
>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
>> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
>>
>>
>> On 17 January 2012 12:23, Mandar Kulkarni wrote:
>>
>>> Srikanth,
>>>
>>> There is copyright law in India for last many decades and most people
>>> were/are following the same before wikipedia had not taken a birth. There
>>> is no need to make generic comments on Indians for no reason. We are
>>> Indians and we should be proud of that.
>>>
>>>
>>> With Regards,
>>>
>>> Mandar V. Kulkarni
>>> http://mr.wikipedia.org
>>>
>>>   ----------
>>> *From:* Srikanth Lakshmanan 
>>> *To:* Wikimedia India Community list <
>>> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 January 2012, 18:16
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would
>>> Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 18:07, Béria Lima  wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually I do because there is a note: "I*mportant Note : The publisher
>>> ( The Indian Express ) of the above news article owns the copyrights of the
>>> article / content. Request to kindly not reproduce or circulate the
>>> content further. The information is only shared only with an internal
>>> community who have been featured on this article.  All copyrights are duly
>>> acknowledged.*" (bold is mine)
>>>
>>>
>>> You are free to forward just the links. Reproducing verbatim elsewhere
>>> might not go well with "fair use". Also heard elsewhere on another list on
>>> the same topic that news is meant to be shared, so no harm. Frankly all
>>> this obsession on copyright only after editing Wikipedia, otherwise since
>>> when people in India thought of copyright seriously.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards
>>> Srikanth.L
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"

[Ashwin Baindur]

You know me thinks that  WikiProject India should start giving out WITI
passports (Wikipedia interested in things Indian) ;)

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
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On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Anirudh Bhati  wrote:

> You don't have the blue Indian passport yet.
>
> :p
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Béria Lima  wrote:
>
>> /me is proud of being indian too
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh, I forgot I'm not indian! ;)
>> _
>> *Béria Lima*
>>  <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484
>>
>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
>> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
>>
>>
>> On 17 January 2012 12:23, Mandar Kulkarni wrote:
>>
>>> Srikanth,
>>>
>>> There is copyright law in India for last many decades and most people
>>> were/are following the same before wikipedia had not taken a birth. There
>>> is no need to make generic comments on Indians for no reason. We are
>>> Indians and we should be proud of that.
>>>
>>>
>>> With Regards,
>>>
>>> Mandar V. Kulkarni
>>> http://mr.wikipedia.org
>>>
>>>   ----------
>>> *From:* Srikanth Lakshmanan 
>>> *To:* Wikimedia India Community list <
>>> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 January 2012, 18:16
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would
>>> Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 18:07, Béria Lima  wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually I do because there is a note: "I*mportant Note : The publisher
>>> ( The Indian Express ) of the above news article owns the copyrights of the
>>> article / content. Request to kindly not reproduce or circulate the
>>> content further. The information is only shared only with an internal
>>> community who have been featured on this article.  All copyrights are duly
>>> acknowledged.*" (bold is mine)
>>>
>>>
>>> You are free to forward just the links. Reproducing verbatim elsewhere
>>> might not go well with "fair use". Also heard elsewhere on another list on
>>> the same topic that news is meant to be shared, so no harm. Frankly all
>>> this obsession on copyright only after editing Wikipedia, otherwise since
>>> when people in India thought of copyright seriously.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards
>>> Srikanth.L
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"

[Anirudh Bhati]

You don't have the blue Indian passport yet.

:p

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Béria Lima  wrote:

> /me is proud of being indian too
>
>
>
>
>
> Oh, I forgot I'm not indian! ;)
> _
> *Béria Lima*
>  <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484
>
> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
>
>
> On 17 January 2012 12:23, Mandar Kulkarni wrote:
>
>> Srikanth,
>>
>> There is copyright law in India for last many decades and most people
>> were/are following the same before wikipedia had not taken a birth. There
>> is no need to make generic comments on Indians for no reason. We are
>> Indians and we should be proud of that.
>>
>>
>> With Regards,
>>
>> Mandar V. Kulkarni
>> http://mr.wikipedia.org
>>
>>   --
>> *From:* Srikanth Lakshmanan 
>> *To:* Wikimedia India Community list <
>> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 January 2012, 18:16
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would
>> Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 18:07, Béria Lima  wrote:
>>
>> Actually I do because there is a note: "I*mportant Note : The publisher
>> ( The Indian Express ) of the above news article owns the copyrights of the
>> article / content. Request to kindly not reproduce or circulate the
>> content further. The information is only shared only with an internal
>> community who have been featured on this article.  All copyrights are duly
>> acknowledged.*" (bold is mine)
>>
>>
>> You are free to forward just the links. Reproducing verbatim elsewhere
>> might not go well with "fair use". Also heard elsewhere on another list on
>> the same topic that news is meant to be shared, so no harm. Frankly all
>> this obsession on copyright only after editing Wikipedia, otherwise since
>> when people in India thought of copyright seriously.
>>
>> --
>> Regards
>> Srikanth.L
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"

[Béria Lima]

/me is proud of being indian too





Oh, I forgot I'm not indian! ;)
_
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On 17 January 2012 12:23, Mandar Kulkarni  wrote:

> Srikanth,
>
> There is copyright law in India for last many decades and most people
> were/are following the same before wikipedia had not taken a birth. There
> is no need to make generic comments on Indians for no reason. We are
> Indians and we should be proud of that.
>
>
> With Regards,
>
> Mandar V. Kulkarni
> http://mr.wikipedia.org
>
>   --
> *From:* Srikanth Lakshmanan 
> *To:* Wikimedia India Community list 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 January 2012, 18:16
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would
> Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 18:07, Béria Lima  wrote:
>
> Actually I do because there is a note: "I*mportant Note : The publisher (
> The Indian Express ) of the above news article owns the copyrights of the
> article / content. Request to kindly not reproduce or circulate the
> content further. The information is only shared only with an internal
> community who have been featured on this article.  All copyrights are duly
> acknowledged.*" (bold is mine)
>
>
> You are free to forward just the links. Reproducing verbatim elsewhere
> might not go well with "fair use". Also heard elsewhere on another list on
> the same topic that news is meant to be shared, so no harm. Frankly all
> this obsession on copyright only after editing Wikipedia, otherwise since
> when people in India thought of copyright seriously.
>
> --
> Regards
> Srikanth.L
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"

[Mandar Kulkarni]

Srikanth,

There is copyright law in India for last many decades and most people were/are 
following the same before wikipedia had not taken a birth. There is no need to 
make generic comments on Indians for no reason. We are Indians and we should be 
proud of that.
 
 
With Regards,

Mandar V. Kulkarni
http://mr.wikipedia.org



>
> From: Srikanth Lakshmanan 
>To: Wikimedia India Community list  
>Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012, 18:16
>Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi 
>have been a Wikipedian?"
> 
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 18:07, Béria Lima  wrote:
>
>Actually I do because there is a note: "Important Note : The publisher ( The 
>Indian Express ) of the above news 
article owns the copyrights of the article / content. Request to kindly 
not reproduce or circulate the content further. The information is only 
shared only with an internal community who have been featured on this 
article.  All copyrights are duly acknowledged." (bold is mine)
>>
>You are free to forward just the links. Reproducing verbatim elsewhere might 
>not go well with "fair use". Also heard elsewhere on another list on the same 
>topic that news is meant to be shared, so no harm. Frankly all this obsession 
>on copyright only after editing Wikipedia, otherwise since when people in 
>India thought of copyright seriously.
>
>
>-- 
>Regards
>Srikanth.L
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"

[Béria Lima]

oh common, we don't need to start a cruzade because of this. Isn't that big
deal
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On 17 January 2012 11:17, Shrinivasan T  wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 18:07, Béria Lima  wrote:
> >>
> >> Actually I do because there is a note: "Important Note : The publisher (
> >> The Indian Express ) of the above news article owns the copyrights of
> the
> >> article / content. Request to kindly not reproduce or circulate the
> content
> >> further. The information is only shared only with an internal community
> who
> >> have been featured on this article.  All copyrights are duly
> acknowledged."
> >> (bold is mine)
>
>
> When we forward the emails with the above note, to other technical
> mailing lists,
> they scold me for forwarding the copyrighted material.
>
> I do not see any info on copyright or have to put a footnote like
> above in any of the news websites.
>
> I request Tinu to remove the footnote or just share the links and some
> snippet.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> >
> >
> > You are free to forward just the links. Reproducing verbatim elsewhere
> might
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"

[Shrinivasan T]

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan  wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 18:07, Béria Lima  wrote:
>>
>> Actually I do because there is a note: "Important Note : The publisher (
>> The Indian Express ) of the above news article owns the copyrights of the
>> article / content. Request to kindly not reproduce or circulate the content
>> further. The information is only shared only with an internal community who
>> have been featured on this article.  All copyrights are duly acknowledged."
>> (bold is mine)


When we forward the emails with the above note, to other technical
mailing lists,
they scold me for forwarding the copyrighted material.

I do not see any info on copyright or have to put a footnote like
above in any of the news websites.

I request Tinu to remove the footnote or just share the links and some snippet.

Thanks.


>
>
> You are free to forward just the links. Reproducing verbatim elsewhere might
> not go well with "fair use". Also heard elsewhere on another list on the
> same topic that news is meant to be shared, so no harm. Frankly all this
> obsession on copyright only after editing Wikipedia, otherwise since when
> people in India thought of copyright seriously.
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 18:07, Béria Lima  wrote:

> Actually I do because there is a note: "I*mportant Note : The publisher (
> The Indian Express ) of the above news article owns the copyrights of the
> article / content. Request to kindly not reproduce or circulate the
> content further. The information is only shared only with an internal
> community who have been featured on this article.  All copyrights are duly
> acknowledged.*" (bold is mine)
>

You are free to forward just the links. Reproducing verbatim elsewhere
might not go well with "fair use". Also heard elsewhere on another list on
the same topic that news is meant to be shared, so no harm. Frankly all
this obsession on copyright only after editing Wikipedia, otherwise since
when people in India thought of copyright seriously.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"

[Béria Lima]

Actually I do because there is a note: "I*mportant Note : The publisher (
The Indian Express ) of the above news article owns the copyrights of the
article / content. Request to kindly not reproduce or circulate the content
further. The information is only shared only with an internal community who
have been featured on this article.  All copyrights are duly acknowledged.*"
(bold is mine)

Anyway, thanks to both of you :D
_
*Béria Lima*
<http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484

*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*


On 17 January 2012 10:28,  wrote:

>  Beria, you dont need to ask - please go ahead :)
>
> --
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:27:06 -0200
> From: berial...@gmail.com
> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would
> Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"
>
>
> Tinu, can I FW to my chapter list (is also a closed list)?
> _
> *Béria Lima*
> <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484
>
> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
>
>
> On 17 January 2012 04:08, CherianTinu Abraham wrote:
>
>
> *The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"*
> ( Article by Achal Prabhala)
>
>
> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/would-gandhi-have-been-a-wikipedian/900506/1
>
>
> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/would-gandhi-have-been-a-wikipedian/900506/0
> ( Single Page Version)
> *
> In 1941, a young Argentinian librarian who would soon go completely blind
> published a story about the futility of the “total” library. His
> inspiration was Kurd Lasswitz, a 19th century German philosopher and
> science-fiction pioneer, whose own idea of a “universal” library was a
> mathematical nightmare of frighteningly large but finite proportions. The
> writer was Jorge Luis Borges, and his story, The Library of Babel, (taking
> off from the mythical Tower of Babel, a place of linguistic dysfunction)
> spawned a minor publishing industry of its own. Borges’ library was not a
> happy place: its chronically overworked librarians were suicidal, thuggish
> cults periodically vandalised the books, people spent lifetimes searching
> for a catalogue without success, and — wondrous as it all was — no one
> expected to find anything useful there ever.
>
> Eighty years after it was written, Borges’ feverish fantasy is a
> cautionary tale for those who are tempted to take Internet-era fantasies at
> their word. When a Google executive was asked to describe the perfect
> search engine, he is reported to have said, “It would be like the mind of
> God.” Preposterous, yes; but also exciting. And anyone excited enough to
> adopt this as a mission statement would do well to have a cold shower, and
> heed Borges’ conclusion on the topic — “The library is unlimited and
> cyclical”.
>
> Happily, there are more human, and altogether more humble manifestations
> of the desire to learn and share and prosper. In ancient history, the
> pre-biblical city of Babylon was a working counterpoint to the biblical
> Tower of Babel; a bustling site where diverse crowds made good together. In
> the present day, we are no closer to knowing everything, but we have
> Wikipedia: a bustling website where diverse people from everywhere in the
> world create miracles. Wikipedia’s humility is the flip-side to its
> success, and it comes from wanting to be precisely the opposite of the
> total library: call it a perpetually partial library, if you will. No one
> who has spent even a minute contributing anything to it would dare assume
> that the job is done, the perspective complete, or the game won.
>
> Eleven years ago to this day, Jimmy Wales typed out “Hello world!” and
> Wikipedia was born. In 1989, Richard Stallman pioneered a form of copyright
> licensing for software that allowed programmers and users to do virtually
> anything they liked with it. This formed the basis for free and open source
> software, or FOSS. In 1995, Ward Cunningham used FOSS to build the
> underlying software for a novel form of collaboration — the “wiki”. By this
> time, the benefits of a generous copyright licence to software were
> apparent, and it was extended to mainstream culture — to words, sounds and
> images. Wikipedia was among the early exponents of this free culture
> experiment, quickly followed by sister projects of the Wikimedia
> Foundation: Wikimedia Commons, Wiktionary, Wikiquo

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"

[wheredevelsdare]

Beria, you dont need to ask - please go ahead :)

Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:27:06 -0200
From: berial...@gmail.com
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi 
have been a Wikipedian?"

Tinu, can I FW to my chapter list (is also a closed list)?_
Béria Lima
(351) 925 171 484


Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre 
acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse 
sonho.




On 17 January 2012 04:08, CherianTinu Abraham  wrote:


The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"
( Article by Achal Prabhala)

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/would-gandhi-have-been-a-wikipedian/900506/1 





http://www.indianexpress.com/news/would-gandhi-have-been-a-wikipedian/900506/0  
( Single Page Version) 




In 1941, a young Argentinian librarian who would soon go completely blind 
published a story about the futility of the “total” library. His inspiration 
was Kurd Lasswitz, a 19th century German philosopher and science-fiction 
pioneer, whose own idea of a “universal” library was a mathematical nightmare 
of frighteningly large but finite proportions. The writer was Jorge Luis 
Borges, and his story, The Library of Babel, (taking off from the mythical 
Tower of Babel, a place of linguistic dysfunction) spawned a minor publishing 
industry of its own. Borges’ library was not a happy place: its chronically 
overworked librarians were suicidal, thuggish cults periodically vandalised the 
books, people spent lifetimes searching for a catalogue without success, and — 
wondrous as it all was — no one expected to find anything useful there ever. 





Eighty years after it was written, Borges’ feverish fantasy is a cautionary 
tale for those who are tempted to take Internet-era fantasies at their word. 
When a Google executive was asked to describe the perfect search engine, he is 
reported to have said, “It would be like the mind of God.” Preposterous, yes; 
but also exciting. And anyone excited enough to adopt this as a mission 
statement would do well to have a cold shower, and heed Borges’ conclusion on 
the topic — “The library is unlimited and cyclical”.





Happily, there are more human, and altogether more humble manifestations of the 
desire to learn and share and prosper. In ancient history, the pre-biblical 
city of Babylon was a working counterpoint to the biblical Tower of Babel; a 
bustling site where diverse crowds made good together. In the present day, we 
are no closer to knowing everything, but we have Wikipedia: a bustling website 
where diverse people from everywhere in the world create miracles. Wikipedia’s 
humility is the flip-side to its success, and it comes from wanting to be 
precisely the opposite of the total library: call it a perpetually partial 
library, if you will. No one who has spent even a minute contributing anything 
to it would dare assume that the job is done, the perspective complete, or the 
game won.





Eleven years ago to this day, Jimmy Wales typed out “Hello world!” and 
Wikipedia was born. In 1989, Richard Stallman pioneered a form of copyright 
licensing for software that allowed programmers and users to do virtually 
anything they liked with it. This formed the basis for free and open source 
software, or FOSS. In 1995, Ward Cunningham used FOSS to build the underlying 
software for a novel form of collaboration — the “wiki”. By this time, the 
benefits of a generous copyright licence to software were apparent, and it was 
extended to mainstream culture — to words, sounds and images. Wikipedia was 
among the early exponents of this free culture experiment, quickly followed by 
sister projects of the Wikimedia Foundation: Wikimedia Commons, Wiktionary, 
Wikiquote, Wikibooks and more.





Wikipedia’s collaborative system of knowledge has exceeded everyone’s wildest 
expectations. Today, it is the world’s fifth most visited website — and the 
sole non-profit upstart in the oligarchical fiefdom that is our online 
landscape. There are thriving communities of volunteers in countries like India 
and South Africa, among several other places, who are helping us discover that 
learning does not have to be a passive act, and that the value of generosity 
can be productive and revolutionary at once.





Interestingly enough, it was about a hundred years ago that a young, idealistic 
lawyer set off on a similar journey. Affected by colonialism in his home, 
India, and faced with debilitating segregation laws in his adopted home, South 
Africa, he saw the productive and revolutionary potential in generous 
knowledge. Over a long sea journey from London to Cape Town, he wrote down his 
ideas on self-determination and independence. The young lawyer was, of course, 
Gandhi, and his book, Hind Swaraj, would go on to become the intellectual 
blueprint for the Indian freedom movement. The original was written 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"

[Béria Lima]

Tinu, can I FW to my chapter list (is also a closed list)?
_
*Béria Lima*
(351) 925 171 484

*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
construir esse sonho. *


On 17 January 2012 04:08, CherianTinu Abraham  wrote:

>
> *The Indian Express : "Would Gandhi have been a Wikipedian?"*
> ( Article by Achal Prabhala)
>
>
> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/would-gandhi-have-been-a-wikipedian/900506/1
>
>
> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/would-gandhi-have-been-a-wikipedian/900506/0
> ( Single Page Version)
> *
> In 1941, a young Argentinian librarian who would soon go completely blind
> published a story about the futility of the “total” library. His
> inspiration was Kurd Lasswitz, a 19th century German philosopher and
> science-fiction pioneer, whose own idea of a “universal” library was a
> mathematical nightmare of frighteningly large but finite proportions. The
> writer was Jorge Luis Borges, and his story, The Library of Babel, (taking
> off from the mythical Tower of Babel, a place of linguistic dysfunction)
> spawned a minor publishing industry of its own. Borges’ library was not a
> happy place: its chronically overworked librarians were suicidal, thuggish
> cults periodically vandalised the books, people spent lifetimes searching
> for a catalogue without success, and — wondrous as it all was — no one
> expected to find anything useful there ever.
>
> Eighty years after it was written, Borges’ feverish fantasy is a
> cautionary tale for those who are tempted to take Internet-era fantasies at
> their word. When a Google executive was asked to describe the perfect
> search engine, he is reported to have said, “It would be like the mind of
> God.” Preposterous, yes; but also exciting. And anyone excited enough to
> adopt this as a mission statement would do well to have a cold shower, and
> heed Borges’ conclusion on the topic — “The library is unlimited and
> cyclical”.
>
> Happily, there are more human, and altogether more humble manifestations
> of the desire to learn and share and prosper. In ancient history, the
> pre-biblical city of Babylon was a working counterpoint to the biblical
> Tower of Babel; a bustling site where diverse crowds made good together. In
> the present day, we are no closer to knowing everything, but we have
> Wikipedia: a bustling website where diverse people from everywhere in the
> world create miracles. Wikipedia’s humility is the flip-side to its
> success, and it comes from wanting to be precisely the opposite of the
> total library: call it a perpetually partial library, if you will. No one
> who has spent even a minute contributing anything to it would dare assume
> that the job is done, the perspective complete, or the game won.
>
> Eleven years ago to this day, Jimmy Wales typed out “Hello world!” and
> Wikipedia was born. In 1989, Richard Stallman pioneered a form of copyright
> licensing for software that allowed programmers and users to do virtually
> anything they liked with it. This formed the basis for free and open source
> software, or FOSS. In 1995, Ward Cunningham used FOSS to build the
> underlying software for a novel form of collaboration — the “wiki”. By this
> time, the benefits of a generous copyright licence to software were
> apparent, and it was extended to mainstream culture — to words, sounds and
> images. Wikipedia was among the early exponents of this free culture
> experiment, quickly followed by sister projects of the Wikimedia
> Foundation: Wikimedia Commons, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikibooks and more.
>
> Wikipedia’s collaborative system of knowledge has exceeded everyone’s
> wildest expectations. Today, it is the world’s fifth most visited website —
> and the sole non-profit upstart in the oligarchical fiefdom that is our
> online landscape. There are thriving communities of volunteers in countries
> like India and South Africa, among several other places, who are helping us
> discover that learning does not have to be a passive act, and that the
> value of generosity can be productive and revolutionary at once.
>
> Interestingly enough, it was about a hundred years ago that a young,
> idealistic lawyer set off on a similar journey. Affected by colonialism in
> his home, India, and faced with debilitating segregation laws in his
> adopted home, South Africa, he saw the productive and revolutionary
> potential in generous knowledge. Over a long sea journey from London to
> Cape Town, he wrote down his ideas on self-determination and independence.
> The young lawyer was, of course, Gandhi, and his book, Hind Swaraj, would
> go on to become the intellectual blueprint for the Indian freedom movement.
> The original was written in Gujarati in 1909. One year later, it was
> translated into English and published as Indian Home Rule. On the cover of
> the first edition of this English translatio