Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Response to Bence
Hi everyone, Sorry for being off the list for such a long time. I've had a couple of balls to juggle and needed sometime. So I've spoken to the lawyer, from the last time we discussed our registration, we had already picked our signatories and signed a couple of docs to commence registration. Picking up from there, this is what's left - Namer reservation: 2 days - Payment of stamp duty: 4 days - Registration: 3 weeks (A regular company takes roughly 2 weeks for registrations, WMKE being one limited by guarantee, we'll need to be vetted by the NSIS, so the extra week...) I see this comes to approximately 1 month. The lawyer strongly suggested that we begin this process before elections (3rd March) possibly next week. From here, most of the bureaucratic work falls to the lawyer. I'll just sync up with Abbas on our Bylaws and hopefully by next week we can get things moving We may need to review our signatories and I'll start a new thread for that. @Bence: We still have a good number of people interested in reviving the Chapter's activities and I'm hoping over the next week or so, a clear time-line of our plans will emerge. Thanks for reaching out. Regards, Alex On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:26 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: No :) It's still a manual thing and I had to manually create his graph. WMF engineering is actively preparing a faster and friendlier version of this, that would also come with pre-generated graphs per country etc. A. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:34 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.comwrote: hi asaf, this does not work for all regions? tried http://global-dev.wmflabs.org/graphs/enwp_gh_active rupert. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:28 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, everyone. To my mind, the way forward is to find a project at least some of you are excited about, rather than make progress on the formalities. That project can be anything at all -- organizing a regular meetup or edit-a-thon, a photowalk, finishing the school curriculum update project so we can produce a new offline Wikipedia file relevant for Kenya, etc. It seems to me that there is no substitute for a core of _active editors_, on either English[1] or Swahili Wikipedia[1]. That core would be the basis for most of the other activities. For example, it's difficult to have effective mass outreach if we can't connect newbies to _local_ editors with at least some experience and interest in tutoring and supporting them on their first steps, especially on the English Wikipedia which has very high standards that are challenging and confusing to newbies. So of the activities above, I would recommend thinking about ways to get _you_, the core volunteers, more motivated about, or more _comfortable_ with, actual editing. A first step would be to identify what is the main obstacle -- know-how, interesting topics to contribute on, access to source material, etc., and then we can all think about how to remove that obstacle. Another fun thing to try, if you can have meetups somewhere with reasonable bandwidth (on campus? at the iHub?), you can schedule a Skype/Hangout with different communities/chapters around to world to exchange experience and learn about exciting ideas from other groups. In my experience, it's a fun and interesting way to get [re-]motivated, and I'm sure a number of our international colleagues would be happy to be the teleconferenced guests at those meetings. Just my two cents. :) Asaf [1] English Wikipedia has about 35 active editors (5 edits a month or more) in Kenya. That's a good number to work with, but it seems to me (do correct me if I'm wrong) that most of those regular editors are outside this mailing list. If we could actually be reasonable certain we have some of those active editors interested in supporting additional editor recruitment, we'd be in good shape. Source: http://global-dev.wmflabs.org/graphs/enwp_ke_active (very slow load, sorry) [2] Swahil Wikipedia has about 3-4 active editors (5 edits a month or more) in Kenya, and about the same number in Tanzania. Source: http://global-dev.wmflabs.org/graphs/swwp_active (again, very slow) On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:48 AM, Limoke Oscar oslim...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Bence, Thanks for your efforts and conecrns about the Chapter. Indeed we have heard some concerted efforts to resuscitate the chapter and although not much has come out of the meetings, we all are commited to saving the face and rescuing of the once vibrant Chapter. We are still trying to figure out the best way . Perhaps restarting the whole membership thing has been mooted but nothing has come out yet. Would be best if we reassign new roles and ownershipsamongs ourselves to restart it. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote:
Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Response to Bence
hi asaf, this does not work for all regions? tried http://global-dev.wmflabs.org/graphs/enwp_gh_active rupert. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:28 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, everyone. To my mind, the way forward is to find a project at least some of you are excited about, rather than make progress on the formalities. That project can be anything at all -- organizing a regular meetup or edit-a-thon, a photowalk, finishing the school curriculum update project so we can produce a new offline Wikipedia file relevant for Kenya, etc. It seems to me that there is no substitute for a core of _active editors_, on either English[1] or Swahili Wikipedia[1]. That core would be the basis for most of the other activities. For example, it's difficult to have effective mass outreach if we can't connect newbies to _local_ editors with at least some experience and interest in tutoring and supporting them on their first steps, especially on the English Wikipedia which has very high standards that are challenging and confusing to newbies. So of the activities above, I would recommend thinking about ways to get _you_, the core volunteers, more motivated about, or more _comfortable_ with, actual editing. A first step would be to identify what is the main obstacle -- know-how, interesting topics to contribute on, access to source material, etc., and then we can all think about how to remove that obstacle. Another fun thing to try, if you can have meetups somewhere with reasonable bandwidth (on campus? at the iHub?), you can schedule a Skype/Hangout with different communities/chapters around to world to exchange experience and learn about exciting ideas from other groups. In my experience, it's a fun and interesting way to get [re-]motivated, and I'm sure a number of our international colleagues would be happy to be the teleconferenced guests at those meetings. Just my two cents. :) Asaf [1] English Wikipedia has about 35 active editors (5 edits a month or more) in Kenya. That's a good number to work with, but it seems to me (do correct me if I'm wrong) that most of those regular editors are outside this mailing list. If we could actually be reasonable certain we have some of those active editors interested in supporting additional editor recruitment, we'd be in good shape. Source: http://global-dev.wmflabs.org/graphs/enwp_ke_active (very slow load, sorry) [2] Swahil Wikipedia has about 3-4 active editors (5 edits a month or more) in Kenya, and about the same number in Tanzania. Source: http://global-dev.wmflabs.org/graphs/swwp_active (again, very slow) On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:48 AM, Limoke Oscar oslim...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Bence, Thanks for your efforts and conecrns about the Chapter. Indeed we have heard some concerted efforts to resuscitate the chapter and although not much has come out of the meetings, we all are commited to saving the face and rescuing of the once vibrant Chapter. We are still trying to figure out the best way . Perhaps restarting the whole membership thing has been mooted but nothing has come out yet. Would be best if we reassign new roles and ownershipsamongs ourselves to restart it. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, Sorry to bring up again, but it would be useful to know what others (e.g. Alex, Limoke, etc) think about the future of the chapter? Best regards, Bence On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Abbas, Thanks for responding. For the record, Limoke also responded quite quickly (apparently my letter ended up in the spam folder of many). I was just about to reply Limoke that we would not want the efforts extended so far to go to waste, but we could only recommend the extension of recognition to Sue if there was some effort or plan in place to get the chapter together and back on track both in terms of the bureaucratic process of founding and as far as possible in having a strong, active community again. Best regards, Bence On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Abbas Mahmood abbas...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear Bence, (Sorry for the very delayed response: I had hoped that a more appropriate person would have made an ''official'' response.) WRT the Chapter founding, I recently (last week, I think) connected Alex with the lawyer, to resume the legal process, which was halted after the misappropriation saga. I don't expect Alex (and Alex can correct me if I'm wrong) to have made any progress thus far, as things are still moving sluggishly after the (organizational) hiatus. Thanks, Abbas. ___ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake ___ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Response to Bence
Hi guys, Sorry to bring up again, but it would be useful to know what others (e.g. Alex, Limoke, etc) think about the future of the chapter? Best regards, Bence On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Abbas, Thanks for responding. For the record, Limoke also responded quite quickly (apparently my letter ended up in the spam folder of many). I was just about to reply Limoke that we would not want the efforts extended so far to go to waste, but we could only recommend the extension of recognition to Sue if there was some effort or plan in place to get the chapter together and back on track both in terms of the bureaucratic process of founding and as far as possible in having a strong, active community again. Best regards, Bence On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Abbas Mahmood abbas...@hotmail.comwrote: Dear Bence, (Sorry for the very delayed response: I had hoped that a more appropriate person would have made an ''official'' response.) WRT the Chapter founding, I recently (last week, I think) connected Alex with the lawyer, to resume the legal process, which was halted after the misappropriation saga. I don't expect Alex (and Alex can correct me if I'm wrong) to have made any progress thus far, as things are still moving sluggishly after the (organizational) hiatus. Thanks, Abbas. ___ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake ___ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Response to Bence
Hello Bence, Thanks for your efforts and conecrns about the Chapter. Indeed we have heard some concerted efforts to resuscitate the chapter and although not much has come out of the meetings, we all are commited to saving the face and rescuing of the once vibrant Chapter. We are still trying to figure out the best way . Perhaps restarting the whole membership thing has been mooted but nothing has come out yet. Would be best if we reassign new roles and ownershipsamongs ourselves to restart it. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, Sorry to bring up again, but it would be useful to know what others (e.g. Alex, Limoke, etc) think about the future of the chapter? Best regards, Bence On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Abbas, Thanks for responding. For the record, Limoke also responded quite quickly (apparently my letter ended up in the spam folder of many). I was just about to reply Limoke that we would not want the efforts extended so far to go to waste, but we could only recommend the extension of recognition to Sue if there was some effort or plan in place to get the chapter together and back on track both in terms of the bureaucratic process of founding and as far as possible in having a strong, active community again. Best regards, Bence On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Abbas Mahmood abbas...@hotmail.comwrote: Dear Bence, (Sorry for the very delayed response: I had hoped that a more appropriate person would have made an ''official'' response.) WRT the Chapter founding, I recently (last week, I think) connected Alex with the lawyer, to resume the legal process, which was halted after the misappropriation saga. I don't expect Alex (and Alex can correct me if I'm wrong) to have made any progress thus far, as things are still moving sluggishly after the (organizational) hiatus. Thanks, Abbas. ___ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake ___ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake -- Regards, Limoke Oscar, Dream.Believe.Becomea world of endless opportunities I will open the book. Its pages are blank. I am going to put words on them myself. The book is called Opportunity and its first chapter is the dawn of every New Day. ___ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Response to Bence
hi, when looking only at the sw contributions, i do think the community is vibrant: http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maalum:MabadalikoyaKaribunilimit=500days=30 maybe it would be possible to tackle it from a contributor side? what afripedia does has also some appeal to me: a template on the user page to collect people in a category. with tools like wikiscan it is easier possible to support new people contributing (yes, i know it is not - yet - available for en/sw): http://wikiscan.org/?menu=userstatsuserlist=Cat%C3%A9gorie%3AUtilisateur+participant+au+projet+Afrip%C3%A9dia rupert. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Limoke Oscar oslim...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Bence, Thanks for your efforts and conecrns about the Chapter. Indeed we have heard some concerted efforts to resuscitate the chapter and although not much has come out of the meetings, we all are commited to saving the face and rescuing of the once vibrant Chapter. We are still trying to figure out the best way . Perhaps restarting the whole membership thing has been mooted but nothing has come out yet. Would be best if we reassign new roles and ownershipsamongs ourselves to restart it. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, Sorry to bring up again, but it would be useful to know what others (e.g. Alex, Limoke, etc) think about the future of the chapter? Best regards, Bence On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Abbas, Thanks for responding. For the record, Limoke also responded quite quickly (apparently my letter ended up in the spam folder of many). I was just about to reply Limoke that we would not want the efforts extended so far to go to waste, but we could only recommend the extension of recognition to Sue if there was some effort or plan in place to get the chapter together and back on track both in terms of the bureaucratic process of founding and as far as possible in having a strong, active community again. Best regards, Bence On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Abbas Mahmood abbas...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear Bence, (Sorry for the very delayed response: I had hoped that a more appropriate person would have made an ''official'' response.) WRT the Chapter founding, I recently (last week, I think) connected Alex with the lawyer, to resume the legal process, which was halted after the misappropriation saga. I don't expect Alex (and Alex can correct me if I'm wrong) to have made any progress thus far, as things are still moving sluggishly after the (organizational) hiatus. Thanks, Abbas. ___ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake ___ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake -- Regards, Limoke Oscar, Dream.Believe.Becomea world of endless opportunities I will open the book. Its pages are blank. I am going to put words on them myself. The book is called Opportunity and its first chapter is the dawn of every New Day. ___ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake ___ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Response to Bence
Hi Abbas, Thanks for responding. For the record, Limoke also responded quite quickly (apparently my letter ended up in the spam folder of many). I was just about to reply Limoke that we would not want the efforts extended so far to go to waste, but we could only recommend the extension of recognition to Sue if there was some effort or plan in place to get the chapter together and back on track both in terms of the bureaucratic process of founding and as far as possible in having a strong, active community again. Best regards, Bence On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Abbas Mahmood abbas...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear Bence, (Sorry for the very delayed response: I had hoped that a more appropriate person would have made an ''official'' response.) WRT the Chapter founding, I recently (last week, I think) connected Alex with the lawyer, to resume the legal process, which was halted after the misappropriation saga. I don't expect Alex (and Alex can correct me if I'm wrong) to have made any progress thus far, as things are still moving sluggishly after the (organizational) hiatus. Thanks, Abbas. ___ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake ___ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
[Wikimedia Kenya] Response to Bence
Dear Bence, (Sorry for the very delayed response: I had hoped that a more appropriate person would have made an ''official'' response.) WRT the Chapter founding, I recently (last week, I think) connected Alex with the lawyer, to resume the legal process, which was halted after the misappropriation saga. I don't expect Alex (and Alex can correct me if I'm wrong) to have made any progress thus far, as things are still moving sluggishly after the (organizational) hiatus. Thanks, Abbas. ___ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
