Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A message from Wikimedia UK

[WilliamH]

Very well, in that case I withdraw my request and look at the possible
options.

WH.

On 2 August 2012 01:20, joseph seddon wrote:

>  WilliamH, I implore you to reconsider for the time being at least. It
> would benefit us all if you were to work towards getting an EGM to discuss
> this matter.
>
> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_EGM_2012
>
> If the EGM does not occur then nothing can be gained. The call has only
> recently gone out tonight and within a short space of time I expect that
> the petition will pass.
>
> Consider it a last act if the EGM does not finish to your own liking but
> help the membership have the discussion it needs to have given Fae's
> refusal to step down. I am sure others on this list unhappy with the
> situation would agree.
>
> Seddon
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> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 01:12:44 +0100
> From: william.wiki.ad...@gmail.com
> To: jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk; wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A message from Wikimedia UK
>
>
> Thanks Jon. Please terminate my membership of WMUK. This is not without
> regret, as my own personal albeit scant interactions with Fae have been
> wholly positive, and WMUK has always come across as very professional in
> its dealings with me. But, of a group promoting the editing of Wikipedia
> whose chairman is banned from editing, I find my membership and indeed the
> nature of the arrangement itself, completely incompatible. I hope I can
> rejoin at a later date.
>
> William Henderson.
> User:WilliamH
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> On 1 August 2012 18:50, Jon Davies, Wikimedia UK <
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A message from Wikimedia UK

[joseph seddon]

WilliamH, I implore you to reconsider for the time being at least. It would 
benefit us all if you were to work towards getting an EGM to discuss this 
matter. 
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_EGM_2012 
If the EGM does not occur then nothing can be gained. The call has only 
recently gone out tonight and within a short space of time I expect that the 
petition will pass.
Consider it a last act if the EGM does not finish to your own liking but help 
the membership have the discussion it needs to have given Fae's refusal to step 
down. I am sure others on this list unhappy with the situation would agree.
Seddon
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 01:12:44 +0100
From: william.wiki.ad...@gmail.com
To: jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk; wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A message from Wikimedia UK

Thanks Jon. Please terminate my membership of WMUK. This is not without regret, 
as my own personal albeit scant interactions with Fae have been wholly 
positive, and WMUK has always come across as very professional in its dealings 
with me. But, of a group promoting the editing of Wikipedia whose chairman is 
banned from editing, I find my membership and indeed the nature of the 
arrangement itself, completely incompatible. I hope I can rejoin at a later 
date.


William Henderson.
User:WilliamH

On 1 August 2012 18:50, Jon Davies, Wikimedia UK  
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Dear William,

 

There have recently been some articles in the media about our Chairman, 
Ashley Van Haeften. We have published a response to the articles on our blog, 
which you can view here. 


 

If you have any questions or comments, please email our Chief 
Executive, Jon Davies, at jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk.

 

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A message from Wikimedia UK

[WilliamH]

Thanks Jon. Please terminate my membership of WMUK. This is not without
regret, as my own personal albeit scant interactions with Fae have been
wholly positive, and WMUK has always come across as very professional in
its dealings with me. But, of a group promoting the editing of Wikipedia
whose chairman is banned from editing, I find my membership and indeed the
nature of the arrangement itself, completely incompatible. I hope I can
rejoin at a later date.

William Henderson.
User:WilliamH

On 1 August 2012 18:50, Jon Davies, Wikimedia UK <
jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

>
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>
>  Dear William,
>
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> Ashley Van Haeften. We have published a response to the articles on our
> blog, which you can view 
> here
> .
>
>  If you have any questions or comments, please email our Chief Executive,
> Jon Davies, at jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk.
>
>  On behalf of Wikimedia UK,
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[Wikimediauk-l] 1814-1839 prison execution journal

[Jessica Taylor]

Hi,

I'm Jess. I'm glad to join the list.

I don't know anyone in the Galleries Libraries Archives and Museums. I
could ask archivists if they know someone there.

I like the idea of volunteer training for less rare items so digitization
can be done in-house.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [GLAM] QRpedia at the Barton's Arms

[Andy Mabbett]

Yay! Thank you.

Who knew "Laurel and Hardy" translated into Swedish as "Helan och Halvan"?!

On 2 August 2012 00:12, John Andersson  wrote:
> Hehe, I liked the idea so I translated the article into Swedish :).
>
> Cheers,
>
> John Andersson
>
>> From: a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
>> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:16:52 +0100
>> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org; g...@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: [GLAM] QRpedia at the Barton's Arms
>
>>
>> QRpedia is now in use at one of my favourite, er, I mean an historic
>> pub in Birmingham, England, The Barton's Arms:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bartons_Arms
>>
>> a listed (legally protected) building, where Laurel and Hardy once
>> stayed, and even worked behind the bar!
>>
>> Pictures on Commons:
>>
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:QRpedia_codes_at_The_Bartons_Arms
>>
>> Translations of the English Wikipedia article would be appreciated,
>> please.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [GLAM] QRpedia at the Barton's Arms

[John Andersson]

Hehe, I liked the idea so I translated the article into Swedish :). 

Cheers,

John Andersson

> From: a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:16:52 +0100
> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org; g...@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [GLAM] QRpedia at the Barton's Arms
> 
> QRpedia is now in use at one of my favourite, er, I mean an historic
> pub in Birmingham, England, The Barton's Arms:
> 
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bartons_Arms
> 
> a listed (legally protected) building, where Laurel and Hardy once
> stayed, and even worked behind the bar!
> 
> Pictures on Commons:
> 
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:QRpedia_codes_at_The_Bartons_Arms
> 
> Translations of the English Wikipedia article would be appreciated, please.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Encyclopedia Dramatica.

[Richard Symonds]

No, not quite. Think about Wikipedia, but run by 14 to 21-year-old children
with a misguided sense of "free speech". There's an article about me on
there, one about my wife, so do a lot of people. Wikipedia Review and
Wikipediocracy do at least make an attempt at reasoned discourse, and some
of the people on there are actually quite pleasant, and genuinely want to
help reform Wikipedia. Encyclopedia Dramatica... is not interested in
reform, nor is it interested in polite discourse. It's interested in
trolling, and that's about it.

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On 1 August 2012 22:31, Gordon Joly  wrote:

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Call for an EGM

[Thomas Dalton]

On 1 August 2012 23:43, James Farrar  wrote:
> EGMs are normally supposed to be one subject only, I think, even if
> they're not required to be.

They're required to only discuss the subject matter given in the
notice (you shouldn't have "Any Other Business" on an EGM agenda).
There is nothing to stop the notice containing multiple subject
matters, I guess, but it is unusual.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Call for an EGM

[joseph seddon]

A apologies james. Didn't realise you were going to drafting it. I agree 
that a motion would need to be in place before the next AGM so that any change 
in voting system could be applied to proxy votes to the tellars.
Seddon

> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 23:43:04 +0100
> From: james.far...@gmail.com
> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Call for an EGM
> 
> EGMs are normally supposed to be one subject only, I think, even if
> they're not required to be.
> 
> The reason the motion hasn't been drafted is that I've been too busy
> planing a wedding and running a baseball team, and working, I'm
> afraid. I promise to get around to it in the autumn.
> 
> We will need a separate EGM before the AGM if we want to make changes
> in time for the 2013 election cycle as votes are cast in advance. But
> this is a totally different discussion and I agree that it would be
> more sensible to let it rest until the current EGM proposal is
> determined.
> 
> On 1 August 2012 23:37, joseph seddon
>  wrote:
> > This is going to be a difficult EGM as it is and I personally wouldnt want
> > to distract from what is going to be an extremely difficult and long
> > conversation for our members to have.
> >
> > Further more no one has drafted a motion at this time and don't think we
> > should delay the calling of this EGM for what tends to be a long process in
> > itself.
> >
> > Lets just focus on the issue at hand. Voting systems our the least of our
> > worries.
> >
> > Seddon
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 23:29:47 +0100
> >> From: k...@ktchan.info
> >> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Call for an EGM
> >
> >>
> >> As I recall from the AGM, there was a suggestion that an EGM be call
> >> sometime during the year to discuss changes to the voting system for the
> >> board. If an EGM were to be call, I would suggest some time be set aside
> >> for such discussion if possible.
> >>
> >> KTC
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Call for an EGM

[James Farrar]

EGMs are normally supposed to be one subject only, I think, even if
they're not required to be.

The reason the motion hasn't been drafted is that I've been too busy
planing a wedding and running a baseball team, and working, I'm
afraid. I promise to get around to it in the autumn.

We will need a separate EGM before the AGM if we want to make changes
in time for the 2013 election cycle as votes are cast in advance. But
this is a totally different discussion and I agree that it would be
more sensible to let it rest until the current EGM proposal is
determined.

On 1 August 2012 23:37, joseph seddon
 wrote:
> This is going to be a difficult EGM as it is and I personally wouldnt want
> to distract from what is going to be an extremely difficult and long
> conversation for our members to have.
>
> Further more no one has drafted a motion at this time and don't think we
> should delay the calling of this EGM for what tends to be a long process in
> itself.
>
> Lets just focus on the issue at hand. Voting systems our the least of our
> worries.
>
> Seddon
>
>> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 23:29:47 +0100
>> From: k...@ktchan.info
>> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Call for an EGM
>
>>
>> As I recall from the AGM, there was a suggestion that an EGM be call
>> sometime during the year to discuss changes to the voting system for the
>> board. If an EGM were to be call, I would suggest some time be set aside
>> for such discussion if possible.
>>
>> KTC
>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Call for an EGM

[joseph seddon]

This is going to be a difficult EGM as it is and I personally wouldnt want to 
distract from what is going to be an extremely difficult and long conversation 
for our members to have. 
Further more no one has drafted a motion at this time and don't think we should 
delay the calling of this EGM for what tends to be a long process in itself. 
Lets just focus on the issue at hand. Voting systems our the least of our 
worries.
Seddon

> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 23:29:47 +0100
> From: k...@ktchan.info
> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Call for an EGM
> 
> As I recall from the AGM, there was a suggestion that an EGM be call 
> sometime during the year to discuss changes to the voting system for the 
> board. If an EGM were to be call, I would suggest some time be set aside 
> for such discussion if possible.
> 
> KTC
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Call for an EGM

[Thomas Dalton]

On 1 August 2012 23:29, Katie Chan  wrote:
> As I recall from the AGM, there was a suggestion that an EGM be call
> sometime during the year to discuss changes to the voting system for the
> board. If an EGM were to be call, I would suggest some time be set aside for
> such discussion if possible.

To be honest, I think we'll have enough to do...

Do we need an EGM to discuss voting systems? Can't that be done less
formally and then voted on at the beginning of the next AGM (before we
actually do the vote, of course!)?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Call for an EGM

[Katie Chan]

As I recall from the AGM, there was a suggestion that an EGM be call 
sometime during the year to discuss changes to the voting system for the 
board. If an EGM were to be call, I would suggest some time be set aside 
for such discussion if possible.


KTC

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[Wikimediauk-l] Call for an EGM

[Thomas Dalton]

In light of recent events and discussions on this list, I have started
a call for an EGM to discuss the situation regarding Fae. You can find
the call and an explanation here:

http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_EGM_2012

We require 13 members to sign it in order to require the Board to call
an EGM (and a few extras wouldn't hurt just in case), so if you want
to have an EGM and are a member, please add your name. Please note,
signing this request just says you want to have a meeting, it doesn't
say anything about whether you think Fae should stay on the board or
not. You'll have the opportunity to give your views on that at the
meeting.

Thank you.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Richard Symonds]

We now have 255 members, after board approvals.

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On 1 August 2012 22:28, Gordon Joly  wrote:

> On 01/08/12 22:03, Katie Chan wrote:
>
>> On 01/08/2012 20:09, Richard Symonds wrote:
>>
>>> 240, including pending members who are yet to be approved.
>>>
>>>
>> That's quite a bit lower than the approx. 300 we've been working with
>> since around the AGM. Has there been quite a few lapse in memberships in
>> recent months?
>>
>> KTC
>>
> I am still a member.
>
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[Wikimediauk-l] Encyclopedia Dramatica.

[Gordon Joly]

Just another wiki?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Gordon Joly]

On 01/08/12 22:03, Katie Chan wrote:

On 01/08/2012 20:09, Richard Symonds wrote:

240, including pending members who are yet to be approved.



That's quite a bit lower than the approx. 300 we've been working with 
since around the AGM. Has there been quite a few lapse in memberships 
in recent months?


KTC

I am still a member.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Gordon Joly]

On 01/08/12 19:48, geni wrote:

On 1 August 2012 19:41, James Farrar  wrote:

>Ah, yes, the "false hope" story. Which turned out to be a lie made up by the
>Guardian, though they didn't admit it until after dozens of people had lost
>their jobs.

No it turned out to be a mistake.
-- geni

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Katie Chan]

On 01/08/2012 20:09, Richard Symonds wrote:

240, including pending members who are yet to be approved.



That's quite a bit lower than the approx. 300 we've been working with 
since around the AGM. Has there been quite a few lapse in memberships in 
recent months?


KTC

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Gordon Joly]

Thinking about some of the implications, I am reminded of Operation 
Spanner...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spanner

...and the issues raised by this case,

***
Operation Spanner was the name of an operation carried out by police in 
the United Kingdom city of Manchester in 1987, as a result of which a 
group of homosexuals were convicted of assault occasioning actual bodily 
harm for their involvement in consensual sadomasochism over a ten year 
period.

***

YMMV,

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[Gordon Joly]

On 01/08/12 20:56, Richard Symonds wrote:
Them re-applying with a different address generates a new record for 
them on CiviCRM, so I need to check those 15 records and do some 
record merging to get the exact number.

And CiviCRM does indeed help with reconciling records

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[Thomas Dalton]

On 1 August 2012 21:27, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> I doubt that many membership organisations can give you an exact, and
> up-to-the minute figure. I expect most operate on an "as of the end of
> last month" (or whatever period) basis.

That depends on what you mean by "membership organisation". If you
mean the legal members of a company limited by guarantee, then there
is a legal requirement to have a up-to-date register of members at all
times under Section 113 of the Companies Act 2006. Violation of that
section is a criminal offence, committed by both the company and any
responsible officers, punishable by a fine of up to £1,000. So, it's
probably worth the overtime...

Organisations that just have something they call "membership" that
they define themselves, then they can do what they like.

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[Andy Mabbett]

On 1 August 2012 21:05, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> On 1 August 2012 20:56, Richard Symonds
>  wrote:
>> My apologies: I'm working it out. There are 240 current members who are
>> showing on CiviCRM, as of now. This could vary by 5 or so either way, and
>> I'm working overtime to work out the exact figure.
>
> While I'm sure everyone truly appreciates you working late to sort
> this out, "How many members do we have?" really is the kind of
> question you should be able to answer straight away. There is a legal
> requirement to maintain a register of members...

I doubt that many membership organisations can give you an exact, and
up-to-the minute figure. I expect most operate on an "as of the end of
last month" (or whatever period) basis.

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[Richard Symonds]

Point taken, although technically (and legally) there are currently 240
members.

I'm half way through, now, anyway :-)

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On 1 August 2012 21:05, Thomas Dalton  wrote:

> On 1 August 2012 20:56, Richard Symonds
>  wrote:
> > My apologies: I'm working it out. There are 240 current members who are
> > showing on CiviCRM, as of now. This could vary by 5 or so either way, and
> > I'm working overtime to work out the exact figure.
>
> While I'm sure everyone truly appreciates you working late to sort
> this out, "How many members do we have?" really is the kind of
> question you should be able to answer straight away. There is a legal
> requirement to maintain a register of members...
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Thomas Dalton]

On 1 August 2012 20:56, Richard Symonds
 wrote:
> My apologies: I'm working it out. There are 240 current members who are
> showing on CiviCRM, as of now. This could vary by 5 or so either way, and
> I'm working overtime to work out the exact figure.

While I'm sure everyone truly appreciates you working late to sort
this out, "How many members do we have?" really is the kind of
question you should be able to answer straight away. There is a legal
requirement to maintain a register of members...

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[Thomas Morton]

Thanks Richard. That is much appreciated.

Of course; it is fairly urgent, but working over time is above and beyond.
Cheers.

Tom Morton

On 1 Aug 2012, at 20:56, Richard Symonds 
wrote:

My apologies: I'm working it out. There are 240 current members who are
showing on CiviCRM, as of now. This could vary by 5 or so either way, and
I'm working overtime to work out the exact figure.

This is because there are also 15 applicants who are not eligible to vote
because they have not yet been approved as members by the board. Some of
these are new members, but some are old members who have re-applied with a
new email or postal address. Them re-applying with a different address
generates a new record for them on CiviCRM, so I need to check those 15
records and do some record merging to get the exact number.

I will send the details to the board tonight or tomorrow and get them to
approve/decline the applications. I think you probably want an "at most"
figure, therefore, at most, there are 265 members. Give me an hour or so to
work the new applicants out, and bear in mind that I'm doing it from home...

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On 1 August 2012 20:30, Thomas Dalton  wrote:

> On Aug 1, 2012 8:09 PM, "Richard Symonds" <
> richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > 240, including pending members who are yet to be approved.
>
> How many are there now? And when will the others likely be approved?
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Richard Symonds]

My apologies: I'm working it out. There are 240 current members who are
showing on CiviCRM, as of now. This could vary by 5 or so either way, and
I'm working overtime to work out the exact figure.

This is because there are also 15 applicants who are not eligible to vote
because they have not yet been approved as members by the board. Some of
these are new members, but some are old members who have re-applied with a
new email or postal address. Them re-applying with a different address
generates a new record for them on CiviCRM, so I need to check those 15
records and do some record merging to get the exact number.

I will send the details to the board tonight or tomorrow and get them to
approve/decline the applications. I think you probably want an "at most"
figure, therefore, at most, there are 265 members. Give me an hour or so to
work the new applicants out, and bear in mind that I'm doing it from home...

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On 1 August 2012 20:30, Thomas Dalton  wrote:

> On Aug 1, 2012 8:09 PM, "Richard Symonds" <
> richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
> >
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>
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[Thomas Dalton]

On Aug 1, 2012 8:09 PM, "Richard Symonds" 
wrote:
>
> 240, including pending members who are yet to be approved.

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[Richard Symonds]

240, including pending members who are yet to be approved.

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On 1 August 2012 19:18, Thomas Dalton  wrote:

> On Aug 1, 2012 2:48 PM, "Richard Symonds" <
> richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > The current membership size is circa 300, +-20. I don't have the exact
> figure to hand, but I will have it by the end of today.
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[geni]

On 1 August 2012 19:41, James Farrar  wrote:
> Ah, yes, the "false hope" story. Which turned out to be a lie made up by the
> Guardian, though they didn't admit it until after dozens of people had lost
> their jobs.

No it turned out to be a mistake.
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[James Farrar]

On Aug 1, 2012 6:55 PM, "WereSpielChequers" 
wrote:
>
> Fox are part of News International aren't they?

No. They're part of News Corp.

> So a sister company to Page3.com is getting on a high horse re porn and
directing people to a homophobic website.

Page 3 is not homophobic and describing it as porn is dubious.

> Not as bad as
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_International_phone_hacking_scandal#Milly_Dowler.27s_voicemail

Ah, yes, the "false hope" story. Which turned out to be a lie made up by
the Guardian, though they didn't admit it until after dozens of people had
lost their jobs.

> Or the coundown clock the Sun once had marking the days to a 16 year old
girl's birthday
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/interactive/2011/nov/28/charlotte-church-witness-statement-leveson-inquiry

Also untrue. There was such a website, but it was not operated by the Sun.

The very title of that Wikipedia article shows just how completely the
Guardian and the odious Watson have won. You wouldn't realise that
"hacking" (a misnomer anyway) was widespread across Fleet Street, let alone
that NI was not the biggest offender (viz. Motorman). But it's the evil
Murdoch so it's fine to scapegoat them.

> But not impressive.
>
> WSC
>
>
> On 1 August 2012 18:11, Richard Symonds 
wrote:
>>
>> Racist sexist, and homophobic is the least of it on Encyclopedia
Dramatica. There's some very, very dodgy stuff on there. Very odd of Fox to
be linking directly to a site that glorifies both rape and child abuse.
>>
>> I wonder if the Fox News editor clicked 'random article' on that site?
>>
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>> On 1 August 2012 17:42, Tom Morris  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Thomas Dalton 
wrote:
>>> > On 1 August 2012 16:29, Thomas Morton 
wrote:
>>> >> (also: now on FOX -
>>> >>
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-after-bondage-porn-ties/
)
>>> >
>>> > Ah, now we find out the real advantage to having Stevie on board - he
>>> > has to go through that article pointing out all the mistakes in it,
>>> > not us! The link to Encyclopedia Dramatica is particularly good...
>>> >
>>>
>>> Yes, always good to show maturity and dedication to the cause of
>>> protecting children from harmful material by linking to a website that
>>> routinely uses racist, sexist and homophobic descriptions...
>>>
>>> It's the old Daily Mail trick: this is awful and terrible and wrong,
>>> and here are 14 high-resolution closeups of it!
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Tom Holden]

I am more than a little disappointed with the way the board's handled all of 
this. It was abundantly clear from the outset that the correct response was to 
lean on Ashley to resign, in the expectation that he would stand again at the 
next AGM and probably be re-elected, once all of this had blown over.

All I see from the board is a terribly worded blog post, and a load of nit 
picking about the press articles. It is almost completely irrelevant how 
accurate they are, or whether you like the news organisation or not, if the 
trustees of a charity become the news story, they have done something very 
wrong.

Now Ashley is sure to face a confidence motion at an EGM, which will do even 
more damage to the charity's reputation. Honestly, at this point my confidence 
in the whole board is wavering, aside from any thoughts I may have about the 
appropriateness or otherwise of having Ashley as the chair.

This has gone on too long already. Please end it now, before more damage is 
done to our reputation.

Tom

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Fox are part of News International aren't they?

So a sister company to Page3.com is getting on a high horse re porn and 
directing people to a homophobic website.

Not as bad as 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_International_phone_hacking_scandal#Milly_Dowler.27s_voicemail

Or the coundown clock the Sun once had marking the days to a 16 year old girl's 
birthday 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/interactive/2011/nov/28/charlotte-church-witness-statement-leveson-inquiry

But not impressive.

WSC
On 1 August 2012 18:11, Richard Symonds 
mailto:richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk>> 
wrote:
Racist sexist, and homophobic is the least of it on Encyclopedia Dramatica. 
There's some very, very dodgy stuff on there. Very odd of Fox to be linking 
directly to a site that glorifies both rape and child abuse.

I wonder if the Fox News editor clicked 'random article' on that site?

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On 1 August 2012 17:42, Tom Morris 
mailto:t...@tommorris.org>> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Thomas Dalton 
mailto:thomas.dal...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> On 1 August 2012 16:29, Thomas Morton 
> mailto:morton.tho...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>> (also: now on FOX -
>> http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-after-bondage-porn-ties/)
>
> Ah, now we find out the real advantage to having Stevie on board - he
> has to go through that article pointing out all the mistakes in it,
> not us! The link to Encyclopedia Dramatica is particularly good...
>
Yes, always good to show maturity and dedication to the cause of
protecting children from harmful material by linking to a website that
routinely uses racist, sexist and homophobic descriptions...

It's the old Daily Mail trick: this is awful and terrible and wrong,
and here are 14 high-resolution closeups of it!

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[Deryck Chan]

Just tried that for the first time while using my computer at work. Big
mistake.

On 1 August 2012 18:11, Richard Symonds wrote:

> Racist sexist, and homophobic is the least of it on Encyclopedia
> Dramatica. There's some very, very dodgy stuff on there. Very odd of Fox to
> be linking directly to a site that glorifies both rape *and* child abuse.
>
> I wonder if the Fox News editor clicked 'random article' on that site?
>
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> On 1 August 2012 17:42, Tom Morris  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Thomas Dalton 
>> wrote:
>> > On 1 August 2012 16:29, Thomas Morton 
>> wrote:
>> >> (also: now on FOX -
>> >>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-after-bondage-porn-ties/
>> )
>> >
>> > Ah, now we find out the real advantage to having Stevie on board - he
>> > has to go through that article pointing out all the mistakes in it,
>> > not us! The link to Encyclopedia Dramatica is particularly good...
>> >
>>
>> Yes, always good to show maturity and dedication to the cause of
>> protecting children from harmful material by linking to a website that
>> routinely uses racist, sexist and homophobic descriptions...
>>
>> It's the old Daily Mail trick: this is awful and terrible and wrong,
>> and here are 14 high-resolution closeups of it!
>>
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[Thomas Dalton]

On Aug 1, 2012 2:48 PM, "Richard Symonds" 
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> The current membership size is circa 300, +-20. I don't have the exact
figure to hand, but I will have it by the end of today.

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[WereSpielChequers]

Fox are part of News International aren't they?

So a sister company to Page3.com is getting on a high horse re porn and
directing people to a homophobic website.

Not as bad as
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_International_phone_hacking_scandal#Milly_Dowler.27s_voicemail

Or the coundown clock the Sun once had marking the days to a 16 year old
girl's birthday
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/interactive/2011/nov/28/charlotte-church-witness-statement-leveson-inquiry

But not impressive.

WSC

On 1 August 2012 18:11, Richard Symonds wrote:

> Racist sexist, and homophobic is the least of it on Encyclopedia
> Dramatica. There's some very, very dodgy stuff on there. Very odd of Fox to
> be linking directly to a site that glorifies both rape *and* child abuse.
>
> I wonder if the Fox News editor clicked 'random article' on that site?
>
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> On 1 August 2012 17:42, Tom Morris  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Thomas Dalton 
>> wrote:
>> > On 1 August 2012 16:29, Thomas Morton 
>> wrote:
>> >> (also: now on FOX -
>> >>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-after-bondage-porn-ties/
>> )
>> >
>> > Ah, now we find out the real advantage to having Stevie on board - he
>> > has to go through that article pointing out all the mistakes in it,
>> > not us! The link to Encyclopedia Dramatica is particularly good...
>> >
>>
>> Yes, always good to show maturity and dedication to the cause of
>> protecting children from harmful material by linking to a website that
>> routinely uses racist, sexist and homophobic descriptions...
>>
>> It's the old Daily Mail trick: this is awful and terrible and wrong,
>> and here are 14 high-resolution closeups of it!
>>
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[Richard Symonds]

Racist sexist, and homophobic is the least of it on Encyclopedia Dramatica.
There's some very, very dodgy stuff on there. Very odd of Fox to be linking
directly to a site that glorifies both rape *and* child abuse.

I wonder if the Fox News editor clicked 'random article' on that site?

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On 1 August 2012 17:42, Tom Morris  wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Thomas Dalton 
> wrote:
> > On 1 August 2012 16:29, Thomas Morton 
> wrote:
> >> (also: now on FOX -
> >>
> http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-after-bondage-porn-ties/
> )
> >
> > Ah, now we find out the real advantage to having Stevie on board - he
> > has to go through that article pointing out all the mistakes in it,
> > not us! The link to Encyclopedia Dramatica is particularly good...
> >
>
> Yes, always good to show maturity and dedication to the cause of
> protecting children from harmful material by linking to a website that
> routinely uses racist, sexist and homophobic descriptions...
>
> It's the old Daily Mail trick: this is awful and terrible and wrong,
> and here are 14 high-resolution closeups of it!
>
> --
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Tom Morris]

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> On 1 August 2012 16:29, Thomas Morton  wrote:
>> (also: now on FOX -
>> http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-after-bondage-porn-ties/)
>
> Ah, now we find out the real advantage to having Stevie on board - he
> has to go through that article pointing out all the mistakes in it,
> not us! The link to Encyclopedia Dramatica is particularly good...
>

Yes, always good to show maturity and dedication to the cause of
protecting children from harmful material by linking to a website that
routinely uses racist, sexist and homophobic descriptions...

It's the old Daily Mail trick: this is awful and terrible and wrong,
and here are 14 high-resolution closeups of it!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Stevie Benton]

Regretting it? Goodness me, no. I get to use my coffee-making skills to
their fullest here. They weren't appreciated properly elsewhere.

On 1 August 2012 17:16, Thomas Dalton  wrote:

> On 1 August 2012 16:29, Thomas Morton 
> wrote:
> > (also: now on FOX -
> >
> http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-after-bondage-porn-ties/
> )
>
> Ah, now we find out the real advantage to having Stevie on board - he
> has to go through that article pointing out all the mistakes in it,
> not us! The link to Encyclopedia Dramatica is particularly good...
>
> You regreting taking the job yet, Stevie?
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Thomas Dalton]

On 1 August 2012 16:29, Thomas Morton  wrote:
> (also: now on FOX -
> http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-after-bondage-porn-ties/)

Ah, now we find out the real advantage to having Stevie on board - he
has to go through that article pointing out all the mistakes in it,
not us! The link to Encyclopedia Dramatica is particularly good...

You regreting taking the job yet, Stevie?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 1814-1839 prison execution journal

[Joe Filceolaire]

If only we had contacts in the Galleries Libraries Archives and Museums who
have the skills to handle this type of artifact.
On Aug 1, 2012 2:54 PM, "David Gerard"  wrote:

> On 1 August 2012 14:51, Andrew Gray  wrote:
>
> > The Internet Archive would be the best people to talk to about this;
> > they've experience in deploying scanning machines and training
> > individuals to operate them. I don't know how much the hardware costs,
> > but it seems there's one installed at the Natural History Museum:
> >
> http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/community/library/blog/2012/07/25/bhl-the-vast-library-of-life
> > It might be worth talking to them and asking if we can train a
> > volunteer to use the hardware on an occasional basis, during slack
> > time, to run our own programs. They have the software in place to
> > contribute copies to IA (which ought to be best practice for our
> > digitisation programs anyway), and we can handle the Commons side
> > ourselves; all we need to do then is source the books!
> > I'm happy to contact them and make enquiries about this, unless
> > someone else already has NHM contacts - anyone?
>
>
> +1
>
>
> > *However*, this is the general case for digitisation of normal print
> > works. For manuscript material like this - rare, probably very
> > fragile, and needing careful curation during the scanning process -
> > I'd be really reluctant to let it near a volunteer who didn't have
> > training and experience. For a program like this, outsourcing it is
> > really the best way to go, and it's certainly more likely to be
> > persuasive.
>
>
> Yes.
>
>
> - d.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Thomas Morton]

On 1 August 2012 15:33, Jon Davies  wrote:

> I agree - we have a terrible habit of expecting everyone to come to us.
> 'Its on the wiki why didn't you see it?'
> Regular newsletters to our member and donor base is one of the key
> proposals in the comms review that should be agreed shortly by the board.
>
> Richard will sort out the email.


Good to hear :) thanks.


(also: now on FOX -
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-after-bondage-porn-ties/
)

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[Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia at the Barton's Arms

[Andy Mabbett]

QRpedia is now in use at one of my favourite, er, I mean an historic
pub in Birmingham, England, The Barton's Arms:

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bartons_Arms

a listed (legally protected) building, where Laurel and Hardy once
stayed, and even worked behind the bar!

Pictures on Commons:

   http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:QRpedia_codes_at_The_Bartons_Arms

Translations of the English Wikipedia article would be appreciated, please.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Jon Davies]

I agree - we have a terrible habit of expecting everyone to come to us.
'Its on the wiki why didn't you see it?'
Regular newsletters to our member and donor base is one of the key
proposals in the comms review that should be agreed shortly by the board.

Richard will sort out the email.

On 1 August 2012 15:29, Katie Chan  wrote:

> On 01/08/2012 14:47, Richard Symonds wrote:
>
>  The board statement was sent to the mailing list and put on the blog,
>> but I simply haven't had time (or the thought) to send out an email
>> about it to the entire membership list. We very rarely send out emails
>> to the entire membership list - usually only once a year, just before
>> the AGM. It's not good practice to simply hit "email all", because it
>> tends to swamp uninterested people, who then end up unsubscribing from
>> the list. The majority of our communications are done through this
>> mailing list, or on the UK wiki, as all of our active members read this
>> list. Certainly, all our members are encouraged to join the UK Wikimedia
>> mailing list when they join the chapter. We're actively reviewing the
>> way through which we communicate with everyone, however - the 2012 Comms
>> Review has been seen by a few volunteers, and should be ready for
>> general feedback soon.
>>
>
> I would say a public statement from the board re. its chair on the current
> subject qualify as important enough to merit an email to the entire
> membership.
>
>
> KTC
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Katie Chan]

On 01/08/2012 14:47, Richard Symonds wrote:


The board statement was sent to the mailing list and put on the blog,
but I simply haven't had time (or the thought) to send out an email
about it to the entire membership list. We very rarely send out emails
to the entire membership list - usually only once a year, just before
the AGM. It's not good practice to simply hit "email all", because it
tends to swamp uninterested people, who then end up unsubscribing from
the list. The majority of our communications are done through this
mailing list, or on the UK wiki, as all of our active members read this
list. Certainly, all our members are encouraged to join the UK Wikimedia
mailing list when they join the chapter. We're actively reviewing the
way through which we communicate with everyone, however - the 2012 Comms
Review has been seen by a few volunteers, and should be ready for
general feedback soon.


I would say a public statement from the board re. its chair on the 
current subject qualify as important enough to merit an email to the 
entire membership.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 1814-1839 prison execution journal

[David Gerard]

On 1 August 2012 14:51, Andrew Gray  wrote:

> The Internet Archive would be the best people to talk to about this;
> they've experience in deploying scanning machines and training
> individuals to operate them. I don't know how much the hardware costs,
> but it seems there's one installed at the Natural History Museum:
> http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/community/library/blog/2012/07/25/bhl-the-vast-library-of-life
> It might be worth talking to them and asking if we can train a
> volunteer to use the hardware on an occasional basis, during slack
> time, to run our own programs. They have the software in place to
> contribute copies to IA (which ought to be best practice for our
> digitisation programs anyway), and we can handle the Commons side
> ourselves; all we need to do then is source the books!
> I'm happy to contact them and make enquiries about this, unless
> someone else already has NHM contacts - anyone?


+1


> *However*, this is the general case for digitisation of normal print
> works. For manuscript material like this - rare, probably very
> fragile, and needing careful curation during the scanning process -
> I'd be really reluctant to let it near a volunteer who didn't have
> training and experience. For a program like this, outsourcing it is
> really the best way to go, and it's certainly more likely to be
> persuasive.


Yes.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 1814-1839 prison execution journal

[Andrew Gray]

On 1 August 2012 14:31, David Gerard  wrote:
> On 1 August 2012 14:19, Andrew Gray  wrote:
>
>> The best model for cases like this would be to develop a method where
>> we have an agreed partner who'll digitise culturally significant
>> material at a reasonable cost (or a group who can do it in-house, but
>> for material like this that's tricky) and a standing offer to fund it
>> for certain classes of limited-availability material like this. We
>> then approach the auctioneers or booksellers, talk them in to letting
>> us have it for a day to scan it, and let them do as they will after
>> that.
>
> We need to develop in-house volunteer expertise, yes.
>
> So. What do we need?

The Internet Archive would be the best people to talk to about this;
they've experience in deploying scanning machines and training
individuals to operate them. I don't know how much the hardware costs,
but it seems there's one installed at the Natural History Museum:

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/community/library/blog/2012/07/25/bhl-the-vast-library-of-life

It might be worth talking to them and asking if we can train a
volunteer to use the hardware on an occasional basis, during slack
time, to run our own programs. They have the software in place to
contribute copies to IA (which ought to be best practice for our
digitisation programs anyway), and we can handle the Commons side
ourselves; all we need to do then is source the books!

I'm happy to contact them and make enquiries about this, unless
someone else already has NHM contacts - anyone?

*However*, this is the general case for digitisation of normal print
works. For manuscript material like this - rare, probably very
fragile, and needing careful curation during the scanning process -
I'd be really reluctant to let it near a volunteer who didn't have
training and experience. For a program like this, outsourcing it is
really the best way to go, and it's certainly more likely to be
persuasive.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 1814-1839 prison execution journal

[Andrew West]

On 1 August 2012 14:24, Andrew Gray  wrote:
>
> Note, incidentally, that there must be some interesting overlap
> between this and Old Bailey Online, which will document many of the
> trials that preceded the hangings.
>
> http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18120513-5-person102 -
> for example, is also covered in Cotton.

True, but their licensing conditions
(http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/static/Legal-info.jsp) are
incompatible with ours, so they are unlikely to make good partners for
us.

>> What's the possibility of WMUK buying the book for £5,000, scanning it
>> to Commons, then selling the book privately or to a dealer to recover
>> most of the money spent?
>
> I suspect that we would be unlikely to get more than half that were we
> to sell it direct to a dealer, and goodness only knows if we were to
> sell it privately. It's a bit of a gamble with donor funds!

You're probably right, I'm afraid.

Another idea. How about starting a public appeal to raise the money to
buy the book with the intention to donate it to the BL or some other
worthy institution, on the condition that they make high resolution
scans available under an acceptable license.  That way we get lots of
good publicity, we're not gambling with money donors might not have
wanted us to spend in this way, and we don't have to invest in a
professional quality book scanner.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Richard Symonds]

The current membership size is circa 300, +-20. I don't have the exact
figure to hand, but I will have it by the end of today. I am going to do
some database work later and check that the database is still accurate
(important if we are going to be voting on anything), and then sort out the
approval of new members - there are a few pending aapproval. You can
expect, based on previous votes, to have 60 to 70 people voting in total,
out of the 300 or so members. Organising an EGM for 300+ people, even by
email, is no small task.

The board statement was sent to the mailing list and put on the blog, but I
simply haven't had time (or the thought) to send out an email about it to
the entire membership list. We very rarely send out emails to the entire
membership list - usually only once a year, just before the AGM. It's not
good practice to simply hit "email all", because it tends to swamp
uninterested people, who then end up unsubscribing from the list. The
majority of our communications are done through this mailing list, or on
the UK wiki, as all of our active members read this list. Certainly, all
our members are encouraged to join the UK Wikimedia mailing list when they
join the chapter. We're actively reviewing the way through which we
communicate with everyone, however - the 2012 Comms Review has been seen by
a few volunteers, and should be ready for general feedback soon.

Richard Symonds
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On 1 August 2012 14:02, Thomas Morton  wrote:

> Lets not get too distracted from the issue at hand here (either onto
> frivolity or discussion of the Chapter/Foundation relationship). Or at
> least could you split that to another thread.
>
> I have two follow up queries/thoughts:
>
> * Can anyone explain why this board statement was sent only to this
> mailing list and not the entire membership?
>
> * It seems the next step is an ordinary resolution of members - either via
> and EGM or simply majority vote submitted to the board/staff. What is the
> current membership size of Wikimedia UK?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Gordon Joly]

On 01/08/12 14:27, Thomas Dalton wrote:
There's no particular reason for sending it to members. This list is 
the primary way the chapter communicates with the UK community.



I disagree. The membership of Wikimedia UK has a right to dedicated 
channel of communication (the normal choice being email, but SMS, 
telephone and letter should be on offer). It exists, and has been used 
in the past to announce things such the result of the AGM voting.


Wikimedia UK (a registered charity and a company limited by guarantee) 
can and should communicate with the UK community (no legal status) and 
with the membership (a group who have a legal status, and a set of 
duties e.g. elect the Board of Trustees). Since this thread is about a 
Trustee, then I think you will find members wanting to be kept up to 
date, without the need to read this list.


Gordo


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Thomas Morton]

>
> > * It seems the next step is an ordinary resolution of members - either
> via and EGM or simply majority vote submitted to the board/staff. What is
> the current membership size of Wikimedia UK?
>
> I've been trying to find out the membership size. I think Richard was
> going to look it up. A majority vote isn't really an option because that
> needs half of all members to vote and vote the same way, which is at least
> 150 people.
>

Is this really a difficult number to ascertain? Surely this is a key figure
that should be in a database somewhere, and easily queried.

Our opinions on whether a written resolution is feasible due to requiring a
majority of 150 is neither here nor there - it is in our articles as an
option and exercising our rights as members of the charity is important.

Tom
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Thomas Morton]

On 1 August 2012 14:27, Thomas Dalton  wrote:

>
> On Aug 1, 2012 2:02 PM, "Thomas Morton" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Lets not get too distracted from the issue at hand here (either onto
> frivolity or discussion of the Chapter/Foundation relationship). Or at
> least could you split that to another thread.
> >
> > I have two follow up queries/thoughts:
> >
> > * Can anyone explain why this board statement was sent only to this
> mailing list and not the entire membership?
>
> There's no particular reason for sending it to members. This list is the
> primary way the chapter communicates with the UK community.
>

I disagree here; clearly active members of the charity participate here,
but that is not everyone by a long stretch. I suppose it leads to another
question; how many members are *not* on this mailing list?

And if this really *is* the primary way of communicating with the
membership then I encourage the board to speedily review that policy.

This is a matter that affects the public perception of the charity - do we
really want one of our members, not on this mailing list, to find out about
it first via the Telegraph website?

It's bad, and secretive, form at best.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 1814-1839 prison execution journal

[David Gerard]

On 1 August 2012 14:19, Andrew Gray  wrote:

> The best model for cases like this would be to develop a method where
> we have an agreed partner who'll digitise culturally significant
> material at a reasonable cost (or a group who can do it in-house, but
> for material like this that's tricky) and a standing offer to fund it
> for certain classes of limited-availability material like this. We
> then approach the auctioneers or booksellers, talk them in to letting
> us have it for a day to scan it, and let them do as they will after
> that.


We need to develop in-house volunteer expertise, yes.

So. What do we need?


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Thomas Dalton]

On Aug 1, 2012 2:03 PM, "Gordon Joly"  wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> Does the Foundation have a view? They should, since the Chapter is a
part of
>>> the Foundation.
>
>
>> We're a chapter of the Foundation, we're not part of it.
>
> "The mission of the organisation must be in line with the mission of the
Wikimedia Foundation."
>
> Source: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requirements_for_future_chapters
>
> That's where I get stuck. The UK Chapter's mission must toe the party
line

Yes, and if the foundation changes its mission to include not having Fae as
chair of a chapter, then that would be relevant to this discussion.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Thomas Dalton]

On Aug 1, 2012 2:02 PM, "Thomas Morton" 
wrote:
>
> Lets not get too distracted from the issue at hand here (either onto
frivolity or discussion of the Chapter/Foundation relationship). Or at
least could you split that to another thread.
>
> I have two follow up queries/thoughts:
>
> * Can anyone explain why this board statement was sent only to this
mailing list and not the entire membership?

There's no particular reason for sending it to members. This list is the
primary way the chapter communicates with the UK community.

> * It seems the next step is an ordinary resolution of members - either
via and EGM or simply majority vote submitted to the board/staff. What is
the current membership size of Wikimedia UK?

I've been trying to find out the membership size. I think Richard was going
to look it up. A majority vote isn't really an option because that needs
half of all members to vote and vote the same way, which is at least 150
people.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 1814-1839 prison execution journal

[Andrew Gray]

On 1 August 2012 13:05, Andrew West  wrote:

> Currently on sale for £5,000, and the blog's author pleads: "There
> must surely be an individual or institution who would be willing and
> able to properly document the contents of Cotton's unique record of
> Newgate's executions and put the results into the public domain."
> Wikisource would be the perfect channel for putting the contents of
> the journal into the public domain, if only we could get scans of the
> whole book.

Note, incidentally, that there must be some interesting overlap
between this and Old Bailey Online, which will document many of the
trials that preceded the hangings.

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18120513-5-person102 -
for example, is also covered in Cotton.

> What's the possibility of WMUK buying the book for £5,000, scanning it
> to Commons, then selling the book privately or to a dealer to recover
> most of the money spent?

I suspect that we would be unlikely to get more than half that were we
to sell it direct to a dealer, and goodness only knows if we were to
sell it privately. It's a bit of a gamble with donor funds!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 1814-1839 prison execution journal

[Andrew Gray]

On 1 August 2012 13:49, Fae  wrote:
> On 1 August 2012 13:29, Fae  wrote:
>> Scanning and promoting the use of the images and text for the public
>> benefit. Then selling the book at either little loss or a likely
>> profit for the charity once we have a lot of public attention on it.
>
> Slight amendment after thinking over a cup of tea - I would prefer to
> see it donated to the British Library (or some another worthy public
> archive) for the permanent public benefit, rather than resell. This
> fits better with the Wikimedia UK mission and the receiving
> institution might even help with archive quality digitization.

Much as I would like to say "we here at the BL would love you to pay
for a new and exciting manuscript", I'm not sure this is the best
approach for spending Chapter funds in terms of value returned. Grants
for a third party to acquire material is a long way from the sort of
thing we've supported before, and while I think you could just about
argue it's inside our objectives, I personally have my doubts.

(Look at it another way: If an archive had come to us and said "we'd
like you to fund digitisation of this book", we'd probably say yes at
£250, maybe at £500, and start laughing if they said it would cost
£5,000.)

The best model for cases like this would be to develop a method where
we have an agreed partner who'll digitise culturally significant
material at a reasonable cost (or a group who can do it in-house, but
for material like this that's tricky) and a standing offer to fund it
for certain classes of limited-availability material like this. We
then approach the auctioneers or booksellers, talk them in to letting
us have it for a day to scan it, and let them do as they will after
that.

One risk here is that the digitisation would lower the marketable
value of the final item, but I don't know how we'd quantify this one
way or the other.

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[Wikimediauk-l] Gordon's query

[John Byrne]

What the WMF does for us is, among other things:  allow us to use their 
trademarks, provide the servers & technical support that run the 
projects, develop and support MediaWiki, provide research and some 
support in specialized areas, and fund development of the movement 
globally.  That is why we give them most of our income.


The relationship between the WMF and the chapter is set out in the 
various agreements between us, and was also summarized in the 
submissions last year to the Chiraty Commission; one of their big 
concerns was our independence.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 1814-1839 prison execution journal

[Roger Bamkin]

not sure about the scalability of this proposal. If we want free
information then we need to avoid feeding the market. These guys are going
to charge just to glance at an out of copyright book with a camera. If the
charge is a pound then we can't afford that model when we look at all
possible books (and neither can Africa)

Roger

On 1 August 2012 13:49, Fae  wrote:

> On 1 August 2012 13:29, Fae  wrote:
> > Scanning and promoting the use of the images and text for the public
> > benefit. Then selling the book at either little loss or a likely
> > profit for the charity once we have a lot of public attention on it.
>
> Slight amendment after thinking over a cup of tea - I would prefer to
> see it donated to the British Library (or some another worthy public
> archive) for the permanent public benefit, rather than resell. This
> fits better with the Wikimedia UK mission and the receiving
> institution might even help with archive quality digitization.
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[John Vandenberg]

The wmf mission is really broad

http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mission_statement
On Aug 1, 2012 11:03 PM, "Gordon Joly"  wrote:

>
>
>> Does the Foundation have a view? They should, since the Chapter is a part
>> of
>> the Foundation.
>>
>
>   We're a chapter of the Foundation, we're not part of it.
>
> "The mission of the organisation must be in line with the mission of the
> Wikimedia Foundation."
>
> Source: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requirements_for_future_chapters
>
> That's where I get stuck. The UK Chapter's mission must toe the party
> line
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Gordon Joly]

Does the Foundation have a view? They should, since the Chapter is
a part of
the Foundation.




We're a chapter of the Foundation, we're not part of it.
"The mission of the organisation must be in line with the mission of the 
Wikimedia Foundation."


Source: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requirements_for_future_chapters

That's where I get stuck. The UK Chapter's mission must toe the party 
line


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Thomas Morton]

Lets not get too distracted from the issue at hand here (either onto
frivolity or discussion of the Chapter/Foundation relationship). Or at
least could you split that to another thread.

I have two follow up queries/thoughts:

* Can anyone explain why this board statement was sent only to this mailing
list and not the entire membership?

* It seems the next step is an ordinary resolution of members - either via
and EGM or simply majority vote submitted to the board/staff. What is the
current membership size of Wikimedia UK?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Gordon Joly]

But apart from that?

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters

Gordo


On 01/08/12 13:55, Jon Davies wrote:

cf Life of Brian

On 1 August 2012 13:53, Gordon Joly > wrote:


On 01/08/12 12:25, Thomas Dalton wrote:

On 1 August 2012 10:20, Gordon Joly mailto:gordon.j...@pobox.com>> wrote:

I am asserting that registered charity and the "UK
Chapter" as a body are
one and the same, and that the Chapter forms part of the
Foundation, and
that the Foundation might have a view.

Does the Foundation have a view? They should, since the
Chapter is a part of
the Foundation.

We're a chapter of the Foundation, we're not part of it.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Jon Davies]

cf Life of Brian

On 1 August 2012 13:53, Gordon Joly  wrote:

> On 01/08/12 12:25, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>
>> On 1 August 2012 10:20, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>>
>>> I am asserting that registered charity and the "UK Chapter" as a body are
>>> one and the same, and that the Chapter forms part of the Foundation, and
>>> that the Foundation might have a view.
>>>
>>> Does the Foundation have a view? They should, since the Chapter is a
>>> part of
>>> the Foundation.
>>>
>> We're a chapter of the Foundation, we're not part of it.
>>
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>
>
> Thanks. So what do they do for us?
>
> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Gordon Joly]

On 01/08/12 12:25, Thomas Dalton wrote:

On 1 August 2012 10:20, Gordon Joly  wrote:

I am asserting that registered charity and the "UK Chapter" as a body are
one and the same, and that the Chapter forms part of the Foundation, and
that the Foundation might have a view.

Does the Foundation have a view? They should, since the Chapter is a part of
the Foundation.

We're a chapter of the Foundation, we're not part of it.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Jon Davies]

Or two - alas your lovely donation bit the dust a little while back. The M
and S replacement not nearly as stylish. Still we have good fair trade
coffee for anyone who cares to visit.

On 1 August 2012 13:10, Thomas Dalton  wrote:

> On 1 August 2012 12:57, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> > Only two benefits?!
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Gordon Joly]

On 01/08/12 12:11, Andrew Gray wrote:

Is there a normal "last few days of the month" pickup? Everyone's just
got paid...
Many do, but some are freelance (hence send in invoices), some get 
weekly payments, etc.


And some get paid on other days. The BBC used to pay me on 15th of the 
month.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 1814-1839 prison execution journal

[Fae]

On 1 August 2012 13:29, Fae  wrote:
> Scanning and promoting the use of the images and text for the public
> benefit. Then selling the book at either little loss or a likely
> profit for the charity once we have a lot of public attention on it.

Slight amendment after thinking over a cup of tea - I would prefer to
see it donated to the British Library (or some another worthy public
archive) for the permanent public benefit, rather than resell. This
fits better with the Wikimedia UK mission and the receiving
institution might even help with archive quality digitization.

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 1814-1839 prison execution journal

[Fae]

Personally, I love the idea of the chapter buying the book, it's a
radical first for us.

Scanning and promoting the use of the images and text for the public
benefit. Then selling the book at either little loss or a likely
profit for the charity once we have a lot of public attention on it.

All this needs is a volunteer to put in a proposal, explain the
time-lines (so we don't take too long to make a decision), and a
recommendation for appropriate independent assessment of value and
provenance.

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [GLAM] Website Ts & Cs

[Jeremy Baron]

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> I want to use an image from this website; but I'm not sure if the Ts &
> Cs are compatible with an open licence:
>
> http://www.revolutionaryplayers.org.uk/terms.stm
>
> What do you think?

Please cite the full terms as you see them.

All I see there is:
> Terms and Conditions text to follow. Terms and Conditions text to
> follow. Terms and Conditions text to follow. Terms and Conditions
> text to follow. Terms and Conditions text to follow. Terms and
> Conditions text to follow. Terms and Conditions text to follow.
> Terms and Conditions text to follow. Terms and Conditions text to
> follow. Terms and Conditions text to follow.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [GLAM] Website Ts & Cs

[Cynthia Ashley-Nelson]

In my opinion? Revolutionary. ;)

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:

> I want to use an image from this website; but I'm not sure if the Ts &
> Cs are compatible with an open licence:
>
> http://www.revolutionaryplayers.org.uk/terms.stm
>
> What do you think?
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 1814-1839 prison execution journal

[Thomas Dalton]

On 1 August 2012 13:05, Andrew West  wrote:
> What's the possibility of WMUK buying the book for £5,000, scanning it
> to Commons, then selling the book privately or to a dealer to recover
> most of the money spent?

The main expense would be the digitisation equipment, I expect,
although that would be re-usable (we've been talking about buying such
equipment for years, it's never quite made sense to do so, though).
Alternatively, we may have a partner that would let us use their
equipment.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Thomas Dalton]

On 1 August 2012 12:57, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> Only two benefits?!

Making really good coffee takes up a lot of your time (and requires a
top qualify cafetiere ;)).

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Stevie Benton]

Surely you aren't expecting more from me...

On 1 August 2012 12:57, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> Only two benefits?!
>
> On 1 August 2012 12:31, Jon Davies  wrote:
> > The foundation at a senior level have been kept informed every step of
> the
> > way. That is one of the benefits of having Stevie Benton in post (the
> other
> > is he makes good coffee in an uncomplaining sort of way).
> >
> >
> > On 1 August 2012 12:27, David Gerard  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 1 August 2012 12:24, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> >>
> >> > I am assuming the Foundation is aware of the situation - do we have
> >> > confirmation that they are? If not, it would be a good idea to notify
> >> > them as a courtesy (they have a tendancy to get annoyed if we don't
> >> > tell them stuff...).
> >>
> >>
> >> It's reached the comcom list. They're redirecting queries to
> WMUK/Stevie.
> >>
> >>
> >> - d.
> >>
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> >
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> >
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> > Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House,  56-64 Leonard Street,
> > London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom.
> > Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990.
> > Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate
> > Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit
> > organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for
> its
> > contents.
> >
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 1814-1839 prison execution journal

[Andrew West]

On 1 August 2012 12:40, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> This handwritten Newgate Prison execution journal of the “Ordinary”,
> or Chaplain, of Newgate, the Rev. Horace Salusbury Cotton, may be of
> interest:
>
> 
> http://www.peterberthoud.co.uk/2012/08/chilling-unique-unpublished-newgate-prison-execution-journal/

Currently on sale for £5,000, and the blog's author pleads: "There
must surely be an individual or institution who would be willing and
able to properly document the contents of Cotton's unique record of
Newgate's executions and put the results into the public domain."
Wikisource would be the perfect channel for putting the contents of
the journal into the public domain, if only we could get scans of the
whole book.

What's the possibility of WMUK buying the book for £5,000, scanning it
to Commons, then selling the book privately or to a dealer to recover
most of the money spent?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Roger Bamkin]

Mike Peel is in SF at their offices

On 1 August 2012 12:57, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> Only two benefits?!
>
> On 1 August 2012 12:31, Jon Davies  wrote:
> > The foundation at a senior level have been kept informed every step of
> the
> > way. That is one of the benefits of having Stevie Benton in post (the
> other
> > is he makes good coffee in an uncomplaining sort of way).
> >
> >
> > On 1 August 2012 12:27, David Gerard  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 1 August 2012 12:24, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> >>
> >> > I am assuming the Foundation is aware of the situation - do we have
> >> > confirmation that they are? If not, it would be a good idea to notify
> >> > them as a courtesy (they have a tendancy to get annoyed if we don't
> >> > tell them stuff...).
> >>
> >>
> >> It's reached the comcom list. They're redirecting queries to
> WMUK/Stevie.
> >>
> >>
> >> - d.
> >>
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> >
> >
> >
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> > tweet @jonatreesdavies
> >
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> > Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House,  56-64 Leonard Street,
> > London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom.
> > Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990.
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> > Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit
> > organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for
> its
> > contents.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Andy Mabbett]

Only two benefits?!

On 1 August 2012 12:31, Jon Davies  wrote:
> The foundation at a senior level have been kept informed every step of the
> way. That is one of the benefits of having Stevie Benton in post (the other
> is he makes good coffee in an uncomplaining sort of way).
>
>
> On 1 August 2012 12:27, David Gerard  wrote:
>>
>> On 1 August 2012 12:24, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
>>
>> > I am assuming the Foundation is aware of the situation - do we have
>> > confirmation that they are? If not, it would be a good idea to notify
>> > them as a courtesy (they have a tendancy to get annoyed if we don't
>> > tell them stuff...).
>>
>>
>> It's reached the comcom list. They're redirecting queries to WMUK/Stevie.
>>
>>
>> - d.
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[Wikimediauk-l] 1814-1839 prison execution journal

[Andy Mabbett]

This handwritten Newgate Prison execution journal of the “Ordinary”,
or Chaplain, of Newgate, the Rev. Horace Salusbury Cotton, may be of
interest:


http://www.peterberthoud.co.uk/2012/08/chilling-unique-unpublished-newgate-prison-execution-journal/

Note the claim of "all rights reserved" on the images.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Jon Davies]

The foundation at a senior level have been kept informed every step of the
way. That is one of the benefits of having Stevie Benton in post (the other
is he makes good coffee in an uncomplaining sort of way).

On 1 August 2012 12:27, David Gerard  wrote:

> On 1 August 2012 12:24, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
>
> > I am assuming the Foundation is aware of the situation - do we have
> > confirmation that they are? If not, it would be a good idea to notify
> > them as a courtesy (they have a tendancy to get annoyed if we don't
> > tell them stuff...).
>
>
> It's reached the comcom list. They're redirecting queries to WMUK/Stevie.
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[David Gerard]

On 1 August 2012 12:24, Thomas Dalton  wrote:

> I am assuming the Foundation is aware of the situation - do we have
> confirmation that they are? If not, it would be a good idea to notify
> them as a courtesy (they have a tendancy to get annoyed if we don't
> tell them stuff...).


It's reached the comcom list. They're redirecting queries to WMUK/Stevie.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Thomas Dalton]

On 1 August 2012 10:20, Gordon Joly  wrote:
> I am asserting that registered charity and the "UK Chapter" as a body are
> one and the same, and that the Chapter forms part of the Foundation, and
> that the Foundation might have a view.
>
> Does the Foundation have a view? They should, since the Chapter is a part of
> the Foundation.

We're a chapter of the Foundation, we're not part of it.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Thomas Dalton]

On 1 August 2012 11:10, Thomas Morton  wrote:
> The Chapters agreement is pertinent; in it WMUK agree to avoid "engaging in
> any activity that might negatively impact the work or image of the
> Foundation."
>
> This is a matter across several venues of the movement - one of which
> includes us and our reputation.

What activity has the chapter engaged in?

I'm sure the Foundation is concerned about the situation, but it's
really not their place to intervene.

I am assuming the Foundation is aware of the situation - do we have
confirmation that they are? If not, it would be a good idea to notify
them as a courtesy (they have a tendancy to get annoyed if we don't
tell them stuff...).

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[David Gerard]

On 1 August 2012 12:01, Jon Davies  wrote:

> No effect I can see but Richard who monitors these things is in interviews
> all day.I get notification of one-off and In fact a few quite generous
> donations over the last 24 hours which surprised me.  (£66.40 in total)
> These normally happen at the weekend when I suppose people are at home,
> using wikipedia and then feel generous. This was a bit different.
> Can't really think there is a link one way or not.


Statistical noise.

The question itself is in the class of looking for any possible stick
to beat Fae with.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[joseph seddon]

Its pretty much impossible to pick out any particular trend on a daily basis 
outside of the fundraiser (except if we suddenly start recieving hundreds of 
donation). That's well within the variance of donations.

> From: andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk
> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:11:27 +0100
> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van 
> Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK
> 
> On 1 August 2012 12:01, Jon Davies  wrote:
> > No effect I can see but Richard who monitors these things is in interviews
> > all day.I get notification of one-off and In fact a few quite generous
> > donations over the last 24 hours which surprised me.  (£66.40 in total)
> > These normally happen at the weekend when I suppose people are at home,
> > using wikipedia and then feel generous. This was a bit different.
> > Can't really think there is a link one way or not.
> 
> Is there a normal "last few days of the month" pickup? Everyone's just
> got paid...
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Andrew Gray]

On 1 August 2012 12:01, Jon Davies  wrote:
> No effect I can see but Richard who monitors these things is in interviews
> all day.I get notification of one-off and In fact a few quite generous
> donations over the last 24 hours which surprised me.  (£66.40 in total)
> These normally happen at the weekend when I suppose people are at home,
> using wikipedia and then feel generous. This was a bit different.
> Can't really think there is a link one way or not.

Is there a normal "last few days of the month" pickup? Everyone's just
got paid...

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Jon Davies]

No effect I can see but Richard who monitors these things is in interviews
all day.I get notification of one-off and In fact a few quite generous
donations over the last 24 hours which surprised me.  (£66.40 in total)
These normally happen at the weekend when I suppose people are at home,
using wikipedia and then feel generous. This was a bit different.
Can't really think there is a link one way or not.



On 1 August 2012 11:26, rupert THURNER  wrote:

> just out of interest, what is the effect on current weekly donations
> to wikimedia uk?
>
> rupert.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Jon Davies 
> wrote:
> > Yesterday and on a regular basis.
> >
> >
> > On 1 August 2012 11:10, Thomas Morton 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 1 August 2012 10:33, Jon Davies  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> A few jumps in logic too far.
> >>>
> >>> We are independent.
> >>>
> >>> The Foundation have been very clear that matters pertaining to the UK
> >>> chapter are our business.
> >>>
> >>
> >> How recently did they communicate that?
> >>
> >> The Chapters agreement is pertinent; in it WMUK agree to avoid "engaging
> >> in any activity that might negatively impact the work or image of the
> >> Foundation."
> >>
> >> This is a matter across several venues of the movement - one of which
> >> includes us and our reputation.
> >>
> >> Tom
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> >
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> > Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[James Farrar]

A test of the old saw about bad publicity...
On Aug 1, 2012 11:56 AM, "Richard Symonds" 
wrote:

> It'll take a month to get full figures, but so far the effect is
> negligible - in fact, I believe donations may have gone up slightly over
> the past few days...
>
> Richard Symonds
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>
>
> On 1 August 2012 11:26, rupert THURNER  wrote:
>
>> just out of interest, what is the effect on current weekly donations
>> to wikimedia uk?
>>
>> rupert.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Jon Davies 
>> wrote:
>> > Yesterday and on a regular basis.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 1 August 2012 11:10, Thomas Morton 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 1 August 2012 10:33, Jon Davies 
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> A few jumps in logic too far.
>> >>>
>> >>> We are independent.
>> >>>
>> >>> The Foundation have been very clear that matters pertaining to the UK
>> >>> chapter are our business.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> How recently did they communicate that?
>> >>
>> >> The Chapters agreement is pertinent; in it WMUK agree to avoid
>> "engaging
>> >> in any activity that might negatively impact the work or image of the
>> >> Foundation."
>> >>
>> >> This is a matter across several venues of the movement - one of which
>> >> includes us and our reputation.
>> >>
>> >> Tom
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>> > Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990.
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>> > Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Richard Symonds]

It'll take a month to get full figures, but so far the effect is negligible
- in fact, I believe donations may have gone up slightly over the past few
days...

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On 1 August 2012 11:26, rupert THURNER  wrote:

> just out of interest, what is the effect on current weekly donations
> to wikimedia uk?
>
> rupert.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Jon Davies 
> wrote:
> > Yesterday and on a regular basis.
> >
> >
> > On 1 August 2012 11:10, Thomas Morton 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 1 August 2012 10:33, Jon Davies  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> A few jumps in logic too far.
> >>>
> >>> We are independent.
> >>>
> >>> The Foundation have been very clear that matters pertaining to the UK
> >>> chapter are our business.
> >>>
> >>
> >> How recently did they communicate that?
> >>
> >> The Chapters agreement is pertinent; in it WMUK agree to avoid "engaging
> >> in any activity that might negatively impact the work or image of the
> >> Foundation."
> >>
> >> This is a matter across several venues of the movement - one of which
> >> includes us and our reputation.
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
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> > Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990.
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> > Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Sarah McCulloch]

On 1 August 2012 11:07, joseph seddon wrote:

>  Lets do all continue arguing over the semantics of newspaper articles
> whilst the reputation of the charity is slowly eroded.
>
> Seddon
>

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[rupert THURNER]

just out of interest, what is the effect on current weekly donations
to wikimedia uk?

rupert.


On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Jon Davies  wrote:
> Yesterday and on a regular basis.
>
>
> On 1 August 2012 11:10, Thomas Morton  wrote:
>>
>> On 1 August 2012 10:33, Jon Davies  wrote:
>>>
>>> A few jumps in logic too far.
>>>
>>> We are independent.
>>>
>>> The Foundation have been very clear that matters pertaining to the UK
>>> chapter are our business.
>>>
>>
>> How recently did they communicate that?
>>
>> The Chapters agreement is pertinent; in it WMUK agree to avoid "engaging
>> in any activity that might negatively impact the work or image of the
>> Foundation."
>>
>> This is a matter across several venues of the movement - one of which
>> includes us and our reputation.
>>
>> Tom
>>
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>
>
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> Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990.
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> Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Jon Davies]

Yesterday and on a regular basis.


On 1 August 2012 11:10, Thomas Morton  wrote:

> On 1 August 2012 10:33, Jon Davies  wrote:
>
>> A few jumps in logic too far.
>>
>> We are independent.
>>
>> The Foundation have been very clear that matters pertaining to the UK
>> chapter are our business.
>>
>>
> How recently did they communicate that?
>
> The Chapters agreement is pertinent; in it WMUK agree to avoid "*engaging
> in any activity that might negatively impact the work or image of the
> Foundation*."
>
> This is a matter across several venues of the movement - one of which
> includes us and our reputation.
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Thomas Morton]

On 1 August 2012 10:33, Jon Davies  wrote:

> A few jumps in logic too far.
>
> We are independent.
>
> The Foundation have been very clear that matters pertaining to the UK
> chapter are our business.
>
>
How recently did they communicate that?

The Chapters agreement is pertinent; in it WMUK agree to avoid "*engaging
in any activity that might negatively impact the work or image of the
Foundation*."

This is a matter across several venues of the movement - one of which
includes us and our reputation.

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[joseph seddon]

Lets do all continue arguing over the semantics of newspaper articles whilst 
the reputation of the charity is slowly eroded.
Seddon


> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:44:20 +0100
> From: gordon.j...@pobox.com
> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van 
> Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK
> 
> On 01/08/12 10:33, Jon Davies wrote:
> > A few jumps in logic too far.
> >
> > We are independent.
> >
> > The Foundation have been very clear that matters pertaining to the UK 
> > chapter are our business.
> Thanks Jon!
> 
> Logic was never my strong point...
> 
> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Gordon Joly]

On 01/08/12 10:33, Jon Davies wrote:

A few jumps in logic too far.

We are independent.

The Foundation have been very clear that matters pertaining to the UK 
chapter are our business.

Thanks Jon!

Logic was never my strong point...

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Jon Davies]

A few jumps in logic too far.

We are independent.

The Foundation have been very clear that matters pertaining to the UK
chapter are our business.



On 1 August 2012 10:20, Gordon Joly  wrote:

>  On 01/08/12 10:12, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>
> On Aug 1, 2012 10:09 AM, "Gordon Joly"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > "Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK"
> >
> > Therefore head of the UK Chapter? Or not?
> >
>
> I'm not sure I understand the question. We don't have an official position
> of head, but I guess that would most accurately describe the chair, yes.
>
>
>
> I am asserting that registered charity and the "UK Chapter" as a body are
> one and the same, and that the Chapter forms part of the Foundation, and
> that the Foundation might have a view.
>
> Does the Foundation have a view? They should, since the Chapter is a part
> of the Foundation.
>
> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia updates

[Jon Davies]

He is meant to be on' gardening leave'  I hope his bosses/or other
gardeners don't find out what he has been up to!

Great work Terence (and nice to hear your voice yesterday)

Jon Davies.

On 31 July 2012 21:46, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> HI folks,
>
> QRpedia developer Terence Eden has a new job (congratulations,
> Terence!) and a week of leave, before he starts it. Rather than let
> him watch the Olympics we've kept him chained to a desk, hacking code.
> As a result, we have new improved stats pages, for example:
>
> http://qrpedia.org/stats.php?path=Monmouth
>
> You will see that there is a link to download all the data in CSV format:
>
> http://qrpedia.org/csv.php?path=Monmouth
>
> A link to the stats page is now on the main QRpedia.org page, when a
> code is generated.
>
> The old stats pages will be redirect to the new ones in a few weeks,
> because "cool URIs don't change"  ;-)
>
> If you have any requests for improvements - or have noticed any bugs -
> please report them using the bug tracking system at
>
>http://code.google.com/p/qrwp/issues/list
>
> That way we can all track everyone's requests, and see what others
> have asked for before duplicating them.
>
> I'll update the project pages at:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_QRpedia
>
> including the short "how to" guide:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_QRpedia/user_guide
>
> after posting this.
>
> I'm sure that everyone using QRpedia will join me in thanking Terence
> for his efforts in responding to our support requests.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Gordon Joly]

On 01/08/12 10:12, Thomas Dalton wrote:


On Aug 1, 2012 10:09 AM, "Gordon Joly" > wrote:

>
>
>
> "Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK"
>
> Therefore head of the UK Chapter? Or not?
>

I'm not sure I understand the question. We don't have an official 
position of head, but I guess that would most accurately describe the 
chair, yes.






I am asserting that registered charity and the "UK Chapter" as a body 
are one and the same, and that the Chapter forms part of the Foundation, 
and that the Foundation might have a view.


Does the Foundation have a view? They should, since the Chapter is a 
part of the Foundation.


Gordo

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Thomas Dalton]

On Aug 1, 2012 10:09 AM, "Gordon Joly"  wrote:
>
>
>
> "Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK"
>
> Therefore head of the UK Chapter? Or not?
>

I'm not sure I understand the question. We don't have an official position
of head, but I guess that would most accurately describe the chair, yes.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Gordon Joly]

"Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK"

Therefore head of the UK Chapter? Or not?

Gordo


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