Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language

[HJ Mitchell]

I don't think it needs to be done in any way that might be contentious. We (the 
members of this movement) all share a roughly similar vision, and realise that 
attracting new contributors (whether they speak English, Polish, Irish, or even 
Huttese) is essential to to keeping that vision alive.

It would be interesting to find out how the proportion of the Polish population 
in the UK that edits Wikipedia (in any language) compares to the overall 
proportion of UK residents who edit Wikipedia. It would certainly be 
interesting to try to do some outreach to non-English-speaking groups. Not 
necessarily easy, but worthwhile...
 
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I can see a case for Wikimedia or Wikimedia Poland doing something about that. 
But I would advise against a UK based organisation trying to involve itself in 
the Republic, especially on such a contentious issue as the second language of 
Ireland.

WSC


On 30 January 2013 15:54, Deryck Chan  wrote:

Related note: There are more native Polish speakers in Ireland than native 
Irish speakers. We may be able to inspire something to happen there too.
>
>
>
>On 30 January 2013 15:04, David Gerard  wrote:
>
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/30/polish-becomes-englands-second-language
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>>Anything we can do to get more UK-resident Poles editing?
>>
>>Do we have any idea of edits to pl:wp from the UK?
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Where are we with QRpedia?

[Stevie Benton]

Many thanks Andreas. Both are published by the same group - Media Wales -
so I can see how it happened. The corrections have been requested and I'm
sure they'll be dealt with soon.

Stevie

On 31 January 2013 15:50, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> Thanks Stevie. Now there is another one:
>
> ---o0o---
>
> Roger Bamkin, director of Wikimedia UK, said someone from Llandaff had
> contacted him about the idea but he had yet to meet them to discuss it.
>
>
> http://yourcardiff.walesonline.co.uk/2013/01/31/llandaff-plans-to-become-wikipedia-town/
>
> ---o0o---
>
> Andreas
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Stevie Benton <
> stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Andreas and John. I'll get corrections made ASAP.
>>
>> Stevie
>> On Jan 31, 2013 7:59 AM, "John Vandenberg"  wrote:
>>
>>> Freopedia is spelt wrong.
>>>
>>> John Vandenberg.
>>> sent from Galaxy Note
>>> On Jan 31, 2013 6:34 PM, "Andreas Kolbe"  wrote:
>>>
 There is an article on Wales Online today, "Wikipedia: How a project
 launched in Monmouth has gone global", that requires some corrections.

 ---o0o---

 Roger Bamkin is director of Wikimedia UK. Wikimedia is the body that
 operates Wikipedia.

 Read more: Wales Online
 http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/need-to-read/2013/01/31/wikipedia-how-a-project-launched-in-monmouth-has-gone-global-91466-32713327/#ixzz2JXIb7GFQ

 ---o0o---

 Andreas




 On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Joe Filceolaire <
 filceola...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jon
>
> It does seem extraordinary that nobody seems able to write out a
> summary of what these arguments are.
>
> We are not asking for this information because we think it will lead
> to an acceptable agreement more quickly; we are asking because we want to
> know what is being done on our behalf.
>
> Joe
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Gordon Joly wrote:
>
>> On 21/01/13 17:10, Jon Davies wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> However I do not think an acceptable agreement will come any more
>>> quickly if we rehearse the many and complicated arguments on this list.
>>>
>>
>> How did we get get here then?
>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Where are we with QRpedia?

[Andreas Kolbe]

Thanks Stevie. Now there is another one:

---o0o---

Roger Bamkin, director of Wikimedia UK, said someone from Llandaff had
contacted him about the idea but he had yet to meet them to discuss it.

http://yourcardiff.walesonline.co.uk/2013/01/31/llandaff-plans-to-become-wikipedia-town/

---o0o---

Andreas


On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Stevie Benton <
stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> Thanks Andreas and John. I'll get corrections made ASAP.
>
> Stevie
> On Jan 31, 2013 7:59 AM, "John Vandenberg"  wrote:
>
>> Freopedia is spelt wrong.
>>
>> John Vandenberg.
>> sent from Galaxy Note
>> On Jan 31, 2013 6:34 PM, "Andreas Kolbe"  wrote:
>>
>>> There is an article on Wales Online today, "Wikipedia: How a project
>>> launched in Monmouth has gone global", that requires some corrections.
>>>
>>> ---o0o---
>>>
>>> Roger Bamkin is director of Wikimedia UK. Wikimedia is the body that
>>> operates Wikipedia.
>>>
>>> Read more: Wales Online
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>>>
>>> ---o0o---
>>>
>>> Andreas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Joe Filceolaire >> > wrote:
>>>
 Jon

 It does seem extraordinary that nobody seems able to write out a
 summary of what these arguments are.

 We are not asking for this information because we think it will lead to
 an acceptable agreement more quickly; we are asking because we want to know
 what is being done on our behalf.

 Joe


 On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Gordon Joly wrote:

> On 21/01/13 17:10, Jon Davies wrote:
>
>>
>> However I do not think an acceptable agreement will come any more
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>>
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> How did we get get here then?
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Where are we with QRpedia?

[Tom Morris]

On Thursday, 31 January 2013 at 13:33, rupert THURNER wrote:
> many thanks jon! personally i do not like that the qrpedia domain is
> registered cloaked, so nobody knows what comes out there later on.
> this, and the long time the topic could not be settled is imo enough
> to consider the name "qrpedia" as poisoned.
>  
> maybe it's best to just leave qrpedia to the people who registered it
> and use another domain. qrcodes pointing to some website which then
> redirects to some url is no rocket sience, and widely used since quite
> a long time.
>  
> at WMCH we use qrcodes at least in two working groups, international
> (tunesia e.g.) and GLAM. they are important to us, and i'd consider it
> high risk to mount qrcode stickers physically which then link to a
> site which has a cloaked owner. if qrpedia in 2 years time links to
> pussy galore there is huge cost involved to change all the stickers
> installed, beside the enormous reputational damage.




If no agreement is forthcoming regarding QRpedia, it would be
sensible to build an extension for MediaWiki that did HTTP
header-based language content negotiation, and use that MediaWiki
extension (or core modification, perhaps) on the various Wikimedia
projects, such that the URIs produced are actually on wikipedia.org
(and any other WMF projects like Wikisource).

As the source code for qrwp is MIT licensed and available on Google
Code, it would be fairly trivial for a MediaWiki hacker to build the
functionality into MediaWiki itself.

One would have to be careful legally as MediaWiki is GPL2 licensed,
but the Software Freedom Law Center has a guide on how to maintain
code that is "permissively licensed" (which includes MIT licensed code)
with GPL modifications. See §2.2:

https://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2007/gpl-non-gpl-collaboration.html

I know that there is a general strategy in Wikimedia tech circles towards
trying to unify codebases and centralise the running of technical services.
The plans to close the Toolserver and transition the services running on
there from WMDE to WMF is one example of that.

If Wikimedia UK are unable to bring the QRpedia business to a sensible
conclusion, porting it to be an internal rather than external function of
MediaWiki would be a relatively straight-forward project for a
programmer to do.

One of the benefits of providing HTTP header-based language content
negotiation (what a mouthful) through MediaWiki itself rather than through
an external service is that currently QRpedia stores accesses of QRpedia
URLs in a database. Each time a user accesses a QRpedia URL, their
IP and the Wikipedia URL they are directed to is stored in a database.*

I am confident that the data is not being used illegitimately by Roger or
Terence. But ideally, a Wikimedia-affiliated service would not store
this kind of information given the Foundation's privacy policy. Ensuring
complete compliance with WMF privacy policy seems like a pretty
compelling reason to bring QRpedia in-house or build an
internally-supported replacement running on top of MediaWiki.

In addition, having language content negotiation done on the MediaWiki
side means that these things can be easily modified by engineers
working for the Foundation for compatibility and better integration with
new developments in mobile (smartphone apps, Wikipedia Zero etc).

* The function 'writeLog' in config.php 

which is called on line 107 of index.php 

before redirect to Wikipedia.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Where are we with QRpedia?

[WereSpielChequers]

My understanding was that QRpedia was used to generate the codes, but the
codes on the plaques use qrwp.org. which has been publicly offered to the
movement.

I agree that we should not be promoting the use of QR codes unless we are
reasonably confident that the site they link to is maintained by the
movement or a registered charity with a compatible ethos. I'm hoping that
the donation of qrwp.org  is still on offer and not subject to whatever
part of the negotiations is still ongoing.

When and if a deal is finalised then the things I will be looking for
include who is to own the two domains and whether the brand we will be
using when we promote QR codes is within the movement or something similar.
Personally I have no problem with us collaborating with something outside
but of a similar nature, Geograph and Open street map come to mind as
charities which we have or should collaborate with, or simply use but give
due credit for.


WSC

On 31 January 2013 13:33, rupert THURNER  wrote:

> many thanks jon! personally i do not like that the qrpedia domain is
> registered cloaked, so nobody knows what comes out there later on.
> this, and the long time the topic could not be settled is imo enough
> to consider the name "qrpedia" as poisoned.
>
> maybe it's best to just leave qrpedia to the people who registered it
> and use another domain. qrcodes pointing to some website which then
> redirects to some url is no rocket sience, and widely used since quite
> a long time.
>
> at WMCH we use qrcodes at least in two working groups, international
> (tunesia e.g.) and GLAM. they are important to us, and i'd consider it
> high risk to mount qrcode stickers physically which then link to a
> site which has a cloaked owner. if qrpedia in 2 years time links to
> pussy galore there is huge cost involved to change all the stickers
> installed, beside the enormous reputational damage.
>
> rupert
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Jon Davies
>  wrote:
> > Joe (and lots of people)
> >
> > I really understand the sincerity of your interest and the need to get
> this
> > settled. I can assure you that as I write two of the trustees are working
> > hard to come to a solution that will be in the interest of the community
> and
> > the movement in general.
> >
> > Jon.
> >
> >
> > On 26 January 2013 11:39, Joe Filceolaire  wrote:
> >>
> >> Jon
> >>
> >> It does seem extraordinary that nobody seems able to write out a summary
> >> of what these arguments are.
> >>
> >> We are not asking for this information because we think it will lead to
> an
> >> acceptable agreement more quickly; we are asking because we want to know
> >> what is being done on our behalf.
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Gordon Joly 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 21/01/13 17:10, Jon Davies wrote:
> 
> 
>  However I do not think an acceptable agreement will come any more
>  quickly if we rehearse the many and complicated arguments on this
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> >>> How did we get get here then?
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Governance review

[Chris Keating]

> > 31 January 2013 (target), 15 February 2013 (deadline) - Final report
> > - this is expected by the end of this week and will be published promptly
> > (not necessarily immediately) when we get it.
>
> Why won't you publish it immeadiately?
>
>
So that we have a chance to prepare responses for any media inquiries that
might result from it. As I say, we will be prompt about it, and I also want
to make sure there is a chance for the community to review the findings
before our board meeting on the 9th. Someone from Compass Partnership will
be attending that meeting, so if there are any questions or clarifications
from the community, we can ask them then.

Hope this make sense,

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Where are we with QRpedia?

[Roger Bamkin]

Just seen the story, well done for getting those corrections. Thanks

Roger

On 31 January 2013 10:15, John Vandenberg  wrote:
> Thanks Stevie.
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Stevie Benton
>  wrote:
>> Thanks Andreas and John. I'll get corrections made ASAP.
>>
>> Stevie
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2013 7:59 AM, "John Vandenberg"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Freopedia is spelt wrong.
>>>
>>> John Vandenberg.
>>> sent from Galaxy Note
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2013 6:34 PM, "Andreas Kolbe"  wrote:

 There is an article on Wales Online today, "Wikipedia: How a project
 launched in Monmouth has gone global", that requires some corrections.

 ---o0o---

 Roger Bamkin is director of Wikimedia UK. Wikimedia is the body that
 operates Wikipedia.

 Read more: Wales Online
 http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/need-to-read/2013/01/31/wikipedia-how-a-project-launched-in-monmouth-has-gone-global-91466-32713327/#ixzz2JXIb7GFQ

 ---o0o---

 Andreas




 On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Joe Filceolaire 
 wrote:
>
> Jon
>
> It does seem extraordinary that nobody seems able to write out a summary
> of what these arguments are.
>
> We are not asking for this information because we think it will lead to
> an acceptable agreement more quickly; we are asking because we want to 
> know
> what is being done on our behalf.
>
> Joe
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Gordon Joly 
> wrote:
>>
>> On 21/01/13 17:10, Jon Davies wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> However I do not think an acceptable agreement will come any more
>>> quickly if we rehearse the many and complicated arguments on this list.
>>
>>
>> How did we get get here then?
>>
>> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Where are we with QRpedia?

[John Vandenberg]

Thanks Stevie.

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Stevie Benton
 wrote:
> Thanks Andreas and John. I'll get corrections made ASAP.
>
> Stevie
>
> On Jan 31, 2013 7:59 AM, "John Vandenberg"  wrote:
>>
>> Freopedia is spelt wrong.
>>
>> John Vandenberg.
>> sent from Galaxy Note
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2013 6:34 PM, "Andreas Kolbe"  wrote:
>>>
>>> There is an article on Wales Online today, "Wikipedia: How a project
>>> launched in Monmouth has gone global", that requires some corrections.
>>>
>>> ---o0o---
>>>
>>> Roger Bamkin is director of Wikimedia UK. Wikimedia is the body that
>>> operates Wikipedia.
>>>
>>> Read more: Wales Online
>>> http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/need-to-read/2013/01/31/wikipedia-how-a-project-launched-in-monmouth-has-gone-global-91466-32713327/#ixzz2JXIb7GFQ
>>>
>>> ---o0o---
>>>
>>> Andreas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Joe Filceolaire 
>>> wrote:

 Jon

 It does seem extraordinary that nobody seems able to write out a summary
 of what these arguments are.

 We are not asking for this information because we think it will lead to
 an acceptable agreement more quickly; we are asking because we want to know
 what is being done on our behalf.

 Joe


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 wrote:
>
> On 21/01/13 17:10, Jon Davies wrote:
>>
>>
>> However I do not think an acceptable agreement will come any more
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>
>
> How did we get get here then?
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Where are we with QRpedia?

[Stevie Benton]

Thanks Andreas and John. I'll get corrections made ASAP.

Stevie
On Jan 31, 2013 7:59 AM, "John Vandenberg"  wrote:

> Freopedia is spelt wrong.
>
> John Vandenberg.
> sent from Galaxy Note
> On Jan 31, 2013 6:34 PM, "Andreas Kolbe"  wrote:
>
>> There is an article on Wales Online today, "Wikipedia: How a project
>> launched in Monmouth has gone global", that requires some corrections.
>>
>> ---o0o---
>>
>> Roger Bamkin is director of Wikimedia UK. Wikimedia is the body that
>> operates Wikipedia.
>>
>> Read more: Wales Online
>> http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/need-to-read/2013/01/31/wikipedia-how-a-project-launched-in-monmouth-has-gone-global-91466-32713327/#ixzz2JXIb7GFQ
>>
>> ---o0o---
>>
>> Andreas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Joe Filceolaire 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> It does seem extraordinary that nobody seems able to write out a summary
>>> of what these arguments are.
>>>
>>> We are not asking for this information because we think it will lead to
>>> an acceptable agreement more quickly; we are asking because we want to know
>>> what is being done on our behalf.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Gordon Joly wrote:
>>>
 On 21/01/13 17:10, Jon Davies wrote:

>
> However I do not think an acceptable agreement will come any more
> quickly if we rehearse the many and complicated arguments on this list.
>

 How did we get get here then?

 Gordo


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