Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership grace period

[James Hardy]

Personally, I joined in 2010 and got a renewal email a year later in 2011
which I forgot to act upon, and another one in 2012 (despite presumably
being a very lapsed member by then) after which I actually did get round to
renewing. Perhaps if I had received a second follow-up email in 2011, I
might have renewed then. So gentle reminders would be good.This is because
I am incredibly disorganised, so I always forget things like this and even
when I remember there is usually something more urgent. This doesn't mean I
am not interested in the work of the charity and potentially would even
still like to get involved.

Regarding the renewal, I would also welcome the opportunity to pay my fees
via Direct Debit and automatically renew every year, just because then I
can set it up once and basically forget about the admin side of things.

Also, out of curiosity, why is there not a gift-aid declaration on the
membership page? As far as I can see from HMRC, membership fees such as
Wikimedia UK's should be eligible as they don't confer any benefits other
than membership.

James


On 7 February 2013 17:50, HJ Mitchell  wrote:

> I'm with David and Andrew. The chapter should send out an email when
> membership expires and perhaps send a couple of reminders at given
> intervals. I don't know if this is done now. I know a notification was
> experimented with a few months ago, but before then there was no easy way
> to know if your membership has expired or not.
>
> Similarly, I don't if t's done now, but there didn't used to be an
> acknowledgement of a membership application. If it's not done already, the
> chapter should certainly send out a "thank you for your £5, your membership
> is awaiting approval" and then a "your membership has been approved" email.
>
>
> Harry Mitchell
> http://enwp.org/User:HJ
> Phone: 024 7698 0977
> Skype: harry_j_mitchell
>
>   --
> *From:* Andrew Gray 
> *To:* UK Wikimedia mailing list 
> *Sent:* Thursday, 7 February 2013, 17:40
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership grace period
>
> On 7 February 2013 17:22, David Gerard  wrote:
> > On 7 February 2013 17:01, Katherine Bavage
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> So - I'm not advocating FOR a reduction in limiting the grace period to
> a
> >> shorter time span (say, three months) but rather seeking your thoughts
> on
> >> whether that would be a good or a bad idea and why, much like I did when
> >> asking about verifying the identity of members applying for membership.
> >> Candid responses welcome.
> >
> > I'm thinking you should nag us more.
> >
> > *cough* I suspect I am one of said members. Where do I go to give you
> > my money again?
>
> Yeah, I'm with David - active members in grace are mostly just
> forgetful :-). As there are virtually no things for which being a
> member is essential other than voting, it's very easy to not get
> around to it...
>
> Is it possible to set up recurring membership dues as a direct debit?
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] moinmoin 2 mediawiki

[James Hardy]

>
> Hello
>
Hi

I want to migrate from moinmoin wiki to mediawiki. to perform this job I
> used the mm2mw.pl perl script. But
> this script doesn't work it, returns me the message : failed to connect to
> the server. However I am able to connect
> to mediawiki via my browser with the same authentification informations.
>
> You will most likely get more help by mailing the  mediawiki-l  list, which
is (according to this page: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists )
the list for people using the mediawiki software.

This list is for the discussion of Wikimedia activities and related topics
in the UK, so is not meant to be very technical and you may not get a proper
response


> thank you in advance.
>

Hope you can get your problem sorted

regards,

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Content 'n' Commons

[James Hardy]

On 26 February 2010 15:21, Bod Notbod  wrote:

>
> But it strikes me that they produce a lot of in-house stuff that
> simply won't have much resale/repeat value and for which I don't think
> (but I am willing to be challenged on this) they would need to worry
> about royalties and rights.
>
>
I suspect it would not be as clean-cut as that. In an average 30 minute
news bulletin for instance, I think there are often a few shots pulled in
from the AP or similar agencies, or from partner broadcasters. Then in the
sports segments the footage is often marked as "courtesy of" and then BSkyB,
ESPN, ITV Sports or similar (depending on who paid for the rights).
Therefore there is a strong possibility that it would still require a lot of
sifting through the rights, which would increase the cost of doing it.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

[James Hardy]

I have just paid the fee and applied to become a member this week. The
reason I have not joined previously is not the cost, but that finding my
cheque-book and buying a stamp would have been way way to much hassle for
someone as disorganised as me. I only signed up after discovering through
this thread that paypal was an available method allowing an entirely online
process. If we a pushing for membership, I think this is something that need
to be promoted, I know it costs more, but it is the easiest way to pay, and
ease counts for a heck of a lot.

Regarding what level it should be at, I disagree with the suggestion that a
low fee implies low quality. My family used to have family membership of The
National Trust and can heartily recommend it to anyone, as the member
benefits are great with free entry to their properties, which while members
we took full advantage of - we were out almost every weekend. However in
this case it was the benefits that made it truly worthwhile. I can not
really imagine any tangible benefits that WMUK can provide. After all, our
purpose is to make knowledge free, it would seem counter-intuitive to close
anything off to be members-only.

There are many charities who ask for low fees, often as £1 or £2 a month,
(so £12 or £24 a year) via direct debits. I would not regard them as small
potatoes. In this case the reason for asking is to ensure a continual supply
of money for which they can plan with. This is essential in organisations
that have ongoing costs (a dog hospital, an aid charity, an organisation
digging wells). I believe that that is not (at least yet) the case for us.
Most money comes in during the donation drive; most money goes out in
grants.

One model you may wish to consider is that which I the Liberal Democrats
use. They ask for a donation, stating that any donation over £10 (or £6 for
concessions) entitles you to membership with a simple tick box to say "yes,
I wish to join" ( https://www.libdems.org.uk/join_us.aspx ). I would imagine
the reason for this is to maximise membership (a pool of supporters that
they can call upon when things need doing) by allowing people to join
cheaply, while simultaniously suggesting that if you can afford more, it
would be appreciated by not making the default the minimum (I think the
"suggested" amount is or was £36)

Anyway, that is my 2 cents of rambling

James
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The V&A doesn't want your money

[James Hardy]

Googling for "victoria and albert museum donations" gives this page as the
first http://www.vam.ac.uk/support_us/giving_va/index.html

On that page it says
that you can donate through the Charities Aid Foundation website and it
provides a link to their homepage (http://www.cafonline.org/). Unfortunately
the CAF site is an abomination of ASP.Net and there is no way for the V&A or
me to link to the specific charity page (or for Google to index it); you
have to search for "Victoria and Albert museum" and click on the JavaScript
link to get to a non-bookmarkable page giving information on "Friends of the
V&A" (which is the charity that deals with memberships and donations for the
V&A), Hit the donate button and it asks how you want to pay - including
credit cards.

Hope this helps

James

On 3 February 2010 17:14, David Gerard  wrote:

> http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2009/12/28/dear-museums-help-me-to-help-you/
>
> I emailed them asking how to give them a chunk of cash and got no
> answer in a month. Same from their Twitter. Well done.
>
>
> - d.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] What should we spend our money on?

[James Hardy]

2009/10/21 geni :
>
> Does anyone know what kind of scanners you need to digitalise film?
>
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_picture_film_scanner

-- 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] "Celtic languages Internet project"

[James Hardy]

>
> "The Celtic languages" - as Casey says, this is a linguistic group
> with common ancestry, not a single language. There hasn't been a
> Celtic language per se for a long, long time :-)
>
> In no particular order:
>
> * Welsh
> * Scots Gaelic
> * Cornish
> * Manx
> * Irish
> * Breton
>
> All but one (Breton) are spoken in the UK. All have Wikipedias, mostly
> of a decent but small size (5000+ pages); Welsh is pretty flourishing.
>

Slight pedantry, the Isle of Man is not part of the UK, it is a crown
dependency. The Constitution of Wikimedia UK does not appear to make
any mention of the Crown Dependencies, so promoting the Manx Wikipedia
might not be considered part of its remit.

I mention this, not because I think I wouldn't be a good thing to do
(because I think would be), but because while WMUK awaits registration
with the Charities Commission, we need to make sure everything that is
done is within the charitable aims and I don't know if the Crown
Dependencies would count as part of the UK for these purposes

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Charity application rejected

[James Hardy]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/27/wikipedia_charity_not/
Was only a matter of time. So nice of him to attempt to contact the Board
for a comment, but since he got the name of the company wrong twice in the
article he probably was unable to work out who to contact.

James

2009/4/27 Andrew Turvey 

> I can't see anything (yet) at http://www.theregister.co.uk/
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gordon Joly" 
> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Sent: Monday, 27 April, 2009 14:11:32 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland,
> Portugal
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Charity application rejected
>
> >
> >
> >Do many (any?) people from the media read this list? It is public
> >knowledge now, but that doesn't mean it is likely to end up in the
> >media unless we take action to make that happen.
>
>
> I think the Register may have its talons in here...
>
> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

[James Hardy]

regarding Registered Charity Status

2009/3/22 Thomas Dalton 

>   It's not, but getting it soon is. You need an annual income of over
> £5000 to register, we're not likely to get that kind of money (or
> pledges for it) for several months at least without including
> Wikimania sponsorship.
>

Exactly how strict are the Charities Commission criteria's on this, Do they
actually need to see evidence of cash in the bank? Are pledges to that value
enough? What about evidence to support a reasonable expectation of achieving
greater than that amount?
I am wondering if the foundation was to write a letter stating that:
A) the WMF received donations totalling over £50,000 in sterling last year
[1]
and
B) in future UK residents and taxpayers will be given the option to donate
to WMUK (they may even be able to give an idea of what sort of percentage
have done this when other chapters have gone live)
and therefore
C) WMUK can expect approximately £X (where X is greater than 5000) due to
WMF fund-raising
then might this be enough for them?

Unrelated to this, I assume that if I donate now and make a declaration that
I am a UK Taxpayer, that declaration can be held on to and then the tax can
be claimed back once WMUK is registered. Am I right?

[1] Source: Delphine at
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediauk-l/2008-August/002049.htmlwhen
charity status was discussed last year. I am aware that the sterling
zone is not exactly the same as the population of UK taxpayers, but I
suspect that the colonies and crown dependencies that use Sterling are not a
huge factor, neither would foreign taxpayers with sterling accounts/uk
taxpayers with non-sterling accounts, so I think this works as a rough
approximation.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Citing wikipedia

[James Hardy]

That particlar image is not GFDL, It is (I believe) this image:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hpim3526.jpg

The license says "The copyright holder of this file allows anyone to use it
for any purpose, provided that credit is given and copyright is
attributed..", so it is certainly a violation of Marko Petrovic's copyright.

I don't think that the violation is malicious, just them being slighty lazy
and assuming the copyright lies with "wikipedia", they are not trying to
claim it as their own. Therefore the first thing would probably be to write
them an email pointing out their error and asking them to amend the page.

James


2009/2/24 AndrewRT 

> Just reading the news online and came across this article:
>
> http://euobserver.com/851/27587
>
> Look closely and you can see the picture cites "wikipedia"
>
> I know pictures often cite "AFP" like that - but is this enough under
> the GDFL? If not, what is the procedure for reporting copyright
> abuses?
>
> Andrew
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Сторінку проекту <<Вік іпедія>> Обговорення користувача:Privat emusings було створено користувачем Tur zh

[James Hardy]

uk.wikipedia.org is the ukrainian wikipedia (uk being the ISO 639 code for
the Ukranian Language) fitting the pattern of english being at en. french at
fr. etc
Slightly confusingly, Wikimedia UK's current website is hosted at uk.wikim
edia.org
(UK being an exceptionally reserved code in ISO-3166-1 for the United
Kingdom - pedantically we should be GB, but meh) This fits the pattern of
nl. for the Netherlands, no. for Norway, rs for Serbia etc (see
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Local_chapters )

Eventually I expect we shall be at www.wikimedia.org.uk fully (rather than
as a redirect) or another wholly British domain which will reduce any
potential confusion.
--
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MrWeeble

2009/2/4 Christopher Wood 

>  Its Ukranian I will translate it for you.
>
> 08:59, February 3, 2009 project <>
> Discussions by: Privatemusings was
> created by Turzh, please.
> http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/% D0% 9E% D0% B1% D0% B3% D0% BE% D0% B2% D0%
> BE% D1% 80% D0% B5% D0% BD% D0 % BD% D1% 8F_% D0% BA% D0% BE% D1% 80% D0%
> B8% D1% 81% D1% 82% D1% 83% D0% B2% D0% B0% D1% 87% D0% B0 : Privatemusings,
>
> To view the current version.
>
> This is a new page.
>
> Short description of changes: New page:
> ((subst: Welcome }}--
>
> Contact the
> editor:
> e-mail. Email:
> http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/% D0% A1% D0% BF% D0% B5% D1% 86% D1% 96% D0%
> B0% D0% BB% D1% 8C% D0% BD% D0 % B0: EmailUser / Turzh
> wiki:
> http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/% D0% 9A% D0% BE% D1% 80% D0% B8% D1% 81% D1%
> 82% D1% 83% D0% B2% D0% B0% D1 87%: Turzh
>
> There will be no further notification in the case
> new changes unless you visit this
> page. You could also re -
> install flags notification for all
> pages in your list
> observation.
>
>  Wikipedia notification system
>
> --
> Change the settings of your list
> Monitoring is on
> http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/% D0% A1% D0% BF% D0% B5% D1% 86% D1% 96% D0%
> B0% D0% BB% D1% 8C% D0% BD% D0 % B0: Watchlist / edit
>
> Feedback and support:
> http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/% D0% 94% D0% BE% D0% B2% D1% 96% D0% B4% D0%
> BA% D0% B0:% D0% 97% D0% BC% D1% 96% D1% 81% D1% 82
>
> hope this helps.
>
> Chris
>
>
> --
> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 20:55:24 +1100
> From: thepmacco...@gmail.com
> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Сторінку проекту <<Вікіпедія>> Обговорення
> користувача:Privatemusings було створено користувачем Turzh
>
>
> I may be reading this completely wrong - but is this some odd subdomain of
> uk.wikipedia.org? Dunno what's going on really, but if anyone's russian
> (or whatever language this is in fact!) is better than mine - maybe let me
> know ;-)
>
> cheers,
>
> Peter
> PM.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: *WikiAdmin* 
> Date: 2009/2/3
> Subject: Сторінку проекту <<Вікіпедія>> Обговорення
> користувача:Privatemusings було створено користувачем Turzh
> To: Privatemusings 
>
>
> Privatemusings,
>
> 08:59, 3 лютого 2009 сторінка проекту <<Вікіпедія>>
> Обговорення користувача:Privatemusings була
> створено користувачем Turzh, див.
>
> http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8F_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B0:Privatemusings
> ,
> щоб переглянути поточну версію.
>
> Це нова сторінка.
>
> Короткий опис змін: Нова сторінка:
> {{subst:Welcome}}--
>
> Звернутися до користувача, що
> редагував:
> ел. пошта:
>
> http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%86%D1%96%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B0:EmailUser/Turzh
> вікі:
>
> http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%87:Turzh
>
> Не буде подальшого сповіщення в разі
> нових змін, якщо Ви не відвідуєте цю
> сторінку. Ви могли також повторно
> встановити прапори сповіщення для всіх
> сторінок у вашому списку
> спостереження.
>
> Система сповіщення Вікіпедії
>
> --
> Змінити налаштування вашого списку
> спостереження можна на
>
> http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%86%D1%96%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B0:Watchlist/edit
>
> Зворотний зв'язок та допомога:
>
> http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B4%D0%BA%D0%B0:%D0%97%D0%BC%D1%96%D1%81%D1%82
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk.org

[James Hardy]

2009/1/26 Gordon Joly 

>
> Could go for something in ltd.uk (as well)?
>
> Nominet have strict rules on use of .ltd.uk domains, and an algorithm for
their generation

The only two possibilities for Wiki UK Ltd are wikiuk.ltd.uk or
wiki-uk.ltd.uk; anything else fails their tests. As the intention is to
trade as Wikimedia UK that would probably not be advisable as it could cause
confusion amongst potential donors.

Additionally as the .ltd.uk second level is not as widely used, public
awareness of it is very low. Use of less popular domains tends to cause
problem with people "filling in the blanks". Plenty of people complain to me
that they get a bounce message when emailling me, only for me to discover
they have attempted to email me at someth...@weebbiz.com or
someth...@weeb.biz.co.uk or some other mangled variation of my domain.

James
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sky News - Alison definitely can't do it

[James Hardy]

If anyone missed it and wants to see the Channel 4 report and interview with
the man from IWF it is online here:
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/science_technology/censors+anger+wikipedia+users/2876007

2008/12/8 Isabell Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 2008/12/8 Alison Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > Mind you, David was a case of 'blink and you'll miss him' ;-p
>
> Yes, it took me three watches to see that it was him and even then the
> first one I skipped straight past it, I wasn't even sure that he was
> on it!
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

[James Hardy]

2008/12/8 Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 2008/12/7 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward
> > to dropping in the line "Wikipedia smells of hammers." ([[Brass Eye]])
>
> I particularly liked the line "We're an educational charity." - I
> think it was good that you that in, I suggest emphasising that in
> future interviews. Perhaps make an analogy to medical textbooks
> containing nude images (the analogy is imperfect, but it's not bad)?
>

I think a better analogy would be paintings in galleries which depict under
18s, many of which could be considered "Images depicting erotic posing with
no sexual activity". I am thinking of some of the paintings of Caravaggio,
almost any depiction of Ganymede etc.

In these and the album cover in question, the intention was artistic. While
I personally don't believe this cover is comparable in quality to the old
masters, it cannot be right that an unaccountable self-appointed guardian of
our morality, should deny me and millions of others the right to decide on
its artistic merits for ourselves.

--
James Hardy
MrWeeble
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet Watch Foundation

[James Hardy]

Some information on extent, the page is additionally blocked on:
* Be Pro (so the WMF's suggestion that "It does not affect people in the UK
who are accessing the internet through non-residential means such as at
their place of employment." is incorrect. It shows the same bare 404 that is
shown on the residential Be network)
* T-Mobile (on G1 - redirect to iwf site)* Vodafone (Vodafone error page -
though on my handset it renders as their internal XML markup language)

2008/12/6 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I am not suggesting that WMUK do anything about this whatsoever.
>
> However, I do suggest that all readers of this list try the pages and
> share the results they get (and their ISP).
>
> More specifically, if you're on any of:
>
> * Be/O2/Telefonica
> * Virgin Media
> * EasyNet/UK Online/Sky
> * PlusNet
> * Demon
> * TalkTalk
>
> - then you need to try the link, and if it doesn't work, contact your
> ISP and ask WTF.
>
> This is likely to hit the papers soon. BIG FUSS. We (the community and
> the Foundation and everyone) need to know the precise parameters of
> whatever's going on.
>
>
> - d.
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/12/6
> Subject: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet Watch Foundation
> To: Open Rights Group open discussion list
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Mike Godwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Cary Bass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> ... by transparent proxying on some ISPs, not others.
>
> Surmise is that it's because of the album cover on
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Killer (the page about the
> Scorpions album "Virgin Killer") - some people can't acces the page.
> The image is distasteful but not (AFAIK) actually illegal (yet). And
> is also famous and encyclopedic in itself.
>
> Practical upshot is that every user on *some* ISPs has been put
> through one of just two IPs. This means that vandal blocks have
> widespread collateral damage.
>
> (I'm on Zen and I can get to the page and image.)
>
> The question now is: how do we find out what the hell is going on, and
> who has done this?
>
> Somewhat confusing page about the matter from the admins' noticeboard,
> where the admins try to work out wtf:
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Major_UK_ISPs_reduced_to_using_2_IP_addresses
>
>
> - d.
>
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