Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-22 Thread Gordon Joly

On 21/03/2012 16:50, Gordon Joly wrote:

On 21/03/2012 10:41, Jon Davies wrote:
There are 114 very detailed questions (reminds me of a nightmare 
before finals)- we will be offering a broad brush answer. 

I can see the logic of that.

:-)

Gordo


I think what I was suggesting was to scan the whole document, pick up 
the obvious questions, with very obvious answers :-) and then answer 
those. Maybe six. No need to answer them all. But there is need to 
address the questions, not just go 100% freestyle in any response.


And yes, this could have been started in December 2011.


On 20/03/2012 10:30, Chris Keating wrote:
I was planning to take this forward, and sent an email to this very 
list on this subject on 27 December.


However, I ended up using the energy I could have spent on this on the 
Wikimedia fundraising debate instead...


Chris

Also, this has shown up an interesting dynamic between the paid staff at 
WMUK HQ (Silicon Roundabout), the Trustees (Directors) and the rest of us!


Cheers,

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-22 Thread Jon Davies

Hopefully a positive one!

Quoting Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com:


On 21/03/2012 16:50, Gordon Joly wrote:

On 21/03/2012 10:41, Jon Davies wrote:
There are 114 very detailed questions (reminds me of a nightmare  
before finals)- we will be offering a broad brush answer.

I can see the logic of that.

:-)

Gordo


I think what I was suggesting was to scan the whole document, pick  
up the obvious questions, with very obvious answers :-) and then  
answer those. Maybe six. No need to answer them all. But there is  
need to address the questions, not just go 100% freestyle in any  
response.


And yes, this could have been started in December 2011.


On 20/03/2012 10:30, Chris Keating wrote:
I was planning to take this forward, and sent an email to this very  
list on this subject on 27 December.


However, I ended up using the energy I could have spent on this on  
the Wikimedia fundraising debate instead...


Chris

Also, this has shown up an interesting dynamic between the paid  
staff at WMUK HQ (Silicon Roundabout), the Trustees (Directors) and  
the rest of us!


Cheers,

Gordo

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-22 Thread Gordon Joly




Yes, indeed. I always like asking people to do some work

:-)

In particular, Daria's role in the training and other events has been 
novel, and positive.


With four of you in the office, I am lucky to able to pop in for a chat 
(living a few miles away)... and the Boris Bike docking station outside 
the front door makes WMUK HQ even more accessible!


Gordo

P.S. How about an irregular one hour (lunchtime) walk to explore the 
area? I am a trained walk leader, with insurance. Staff and everybody 
else welcome! We could call it a wiki walk :-)


On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:10:32 +, Jon Davies wrote:

Hopefully a positive one!

Quoting Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com:


On 21/03/2012 16:50, Gordon Joly wrote:

On 21/03/2012 10:41, Jon Davies wrote:
There are 114 very detailed questions (reminds me of a nightmare  
before finals)- we will be offering a broad brush answer.

I can see the logic of that.

:-)

Gordo


I think what I was suggesting was to scan the whole document, pick  
up the obvious questions, with very obvious answers :-) and then  
answer those. Maybe six. No need to answer them all. But there is  
need to address the questions, not just go 100% freestyle in any  
response.


And yes, this could have been started in December 2011.


On 20/03/2012 10:30, Chris Keating wrote:
I was planning to take this forward, and sent an email to this very 
list on this subject on 27 December.


However, I ended up using the energy I could have spent on this on  
the Wikimedia fundraising debate instead...


Chris

Also, this has shown up an interesting dynamic between the paid  
staff at WMUK HQ (Silicon Roundabout), the Trustees (Directors) and  
the rest of us!


Cheers,

Gordo

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-22 Thread Richard Symonds
Sounds like a good idea, but possibly best timed when there are more 
people around than just the staff - we don't really have time to edit 
Wikipedia articles much these days!


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On 22/03/2012 11:24, Gordon Joly wrote:




Yes, indeed. I always like asking people to do some work

:-)

In particular, Daria's role in the training and other events has been 
novel, and positive.


With four of you in the office, I am lucky to able to pop in for a 
chat (living a few miles away)... and the Boris Bike docking station 
outside the front door makes WMUK HQ even more accessible!


Gordo

P.S. How about an irregular one hour (lunchtime) walk to explore the 
area? I am a trained walk leader, with insurance. Staff and everybody 
else welcome! We could call it a wiki walk :-)


On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:10:32 +, Jon Davies wrote:

Hopefully a positive one!

Quoting Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com:


On 21/03/2012 16:50, Gordon Joly wrote:

On 21/03/2012 10:41, Jon Davies wrote:
There are 114 very detailed questions (reminds me of a nightmare  
before finals)- we will be offering a broad brush answer.

I can see the logic of that.

:-)

Gordo


I think what I was suggesting was to scan the whole document, pick  
up the obvious questions, with very obvious answers :-) and then  
answer those. Maybe six. No need to answer them all. But there is  
need to address the questions, not just go 100% freestyle in any  
response.


And yes, this could have been started in December 2011.


On 20/03/2012 10:30, Chris Keating wrote:
I was planning to take this forward, and sent an email to this very 
list on this subject on 27 December.


However, I ended up using the energy I could have spent on this on  
the Wikimedia fundraising debate instead...


Chris

Also, this has shown up an interesting dynamic between the paid  
staff at WMUK HQ (Silicon Roundabout), the Trustees (Directors) and  
the rest of us!


Cheers,

Gordo

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-22 Thread Gordon Joly

On 22/03/2012 11:31, Richard Symonds wrote:
Sounds like a good idea, but possibly best timed when there are more 
people around than just the staff - we don't really have time to edit 
Wikipedia articles much these days!
This is a walk in your *lunch hour*. Unless, of course, you don't have 
lunch hours?


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[Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-21 Thread Jon Davies

http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Property_Office_Consultation

Comments please on this - seems like Tom was spot on.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 March 2012 09:37, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Property_Office_Consultation
 Comments please on this - seems like Tom was spot on.


Looks right to me. Has Tom got time this morning to write up something from it?


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-21 Thread Jon Davies

I will do it.

Quoting David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:


On 21 March 2012 09:37, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:


http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Property_Office_Consultation
Comments please on this - seems like Tom was spot on.



Looks right to me. Has Tom got time this morning to write up  
something from it?



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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-21 Thread Gordon Joly
Does a response need to reference the question numbers in the 
consultation document?



Gordo


On 21/03/2012 10:09, Jon Davies wrote:

I will do it.

Quoting David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:


On 21 March 2012 09:37, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:


http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Property_Office_Consultation
Comments please on this - seems like Tom was spot on.



Looks right to me. Has Tom got time this morning to write up 
something from it?



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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-21 Thread Jon Davies
There are 114 very detailed questions (reminds me of a nightmare  
before finals)- we will be offering a broad brush answer.

Quoting Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com:

Does a response need to reference the question numbers in the  
consultation document?



Gordo


On 21/03/2012 10:09, Jon Davies wrote:

I will do it.

Quoting David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:


On 21 March 2012 09:37, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:


http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Property_Office_Consultation
Comments please on this - seems like Tom was spot on.



Looks right to me. Has Tom got time this morning to write up  
something from it?



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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-21 Thread Tom Morris
On Mar 21, 2012 10:00 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 21 March 2012 09:37, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

  http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Property_Office_Consultation
  Comments please on this - seems like Tom was spot on.


 Looks right to me. Has Tom got time this morning to write up something
from it?



Sadly not. apologies for lack of communication. Yesterday, I decided to
have an afternoon off from email and go read a book in the park to
destress, today I'm busy. Was hoping between the board, the employees and
the list, something could be cobbled together. ;-)
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-21 Thread Tom Morris
On Wednesday, 21 March 2012 at 10:41, Jon Davies wrote:
 There are 114 very detailed questions (reminds me of a nightmare
 before finals)- we will be offering a broad brush answer.
 Quoting Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com (mailto:gordon.j...@pobox.com):
 
  Does a response need to reference the question numbers in the
  consultation document?
 


Well, there's no need to answer all questions: I've participated in government 
consultations before and only answered questions that are appropriate to 
answer. On an purely logical basis, if you take a position on some matter, that 
makes some of the questions asked irrelevant. N/A or I/We take no position 
on this matter. or leaving it blank is just fine.

Indeed, we shouldn't be answering sections of the consultation unless they have 
direct bearing on the mission and running of the Wikimedia projects. 

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-21 Thread David Gerard
I've tweaked it a bit. There was an unclosed bracket on section 2 and
the last sentence looked stray; please check my change is close to
what you meant.

I'm not sure I understand our section 3.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-21 Thread Tom Morris
I'm just doing some tweaking too. ;-) 

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-21 Thread Thomas Morton

 I'm not sure I understand our section 3.


I tweaked that to read a little more clearly (sorry Tom if I missed the
point you were making). Although as Mike mentions on the talk page - some
of the bullets only mention areas of interest, they don't make points. #3
could probably do with someone adding a position we hold. etc.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-21 Thread Thomas Morton
Also; does it need a brief introduction to explain who we are and what our
general stance is?

On 21 March 2012 11:50, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I'm not sure I understand our section 3.


 I tweaked that to read a little more clearly (sorry Tom if I missed the
 point you were making). Although as Mike mentions on the talk page - some
 of the bullets only mention areas of interest, they don't make points. #3
 could probably do with someone adding a position we hold. etc.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-21 Thread Tom Morris

On Wednesday, 21 March 2012 at 11:52, Thomas Morton wrote:

 Also; does it need a brief introduction to explain who we are and what our 
 general stance is?
Yep, most probably. I've attempted to make so many edits to fix up the grammar 
and so on, but have gone into a mad house of edit conflicts. Hope someone else 
can fix it up. ;-)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-21 Thread Thomas Morton
Sorry, that was probably me - I'll go onto the talk page.

When do we *have* to send this in? 12?

Tom

(sorry, I should have done this yesterday :S)

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 On Wednesday, 21 March 2012 at 11:52, Thomas Morton wrote:

  Also; does it need a brief introduction to explain who we are and what
 our general stance is?
 Yep, most probably. I've attempted to make so many edits to fix up the
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-21 Thread Jon Davies

I can paste something out of our general pages.

Quoting Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com:


Also; does it need a brief introduction to explain who we are and what our
general stance is?

On 21 March 2012 11:50, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:


I'm not sure I understand our section 3.




I tweaked that to read a little more clearly (sorry Tom if I missed the
point you were making). Although as Mike mentions on the talk page - some
of the bullets only mention areas of interest, they don't make points. #3
could probably do with someone adding a position we hold. etc.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-21 Thread Gordon Joly

On 21/03/2012 10:41, Jon Davies wrote:
There are 114 very detailed questions (reminds me of a nightmare 
before finals)- we will be offering a broad brush answer. 

I can see the logic of that.

:-)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 12 o clock deadline

2012-03-21 Thread Roger Bamkin
Completely missed this (*I went to work!) but it looks very good. Well gone
all

On 21 March 2012 09:37, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/**Intellectual_Property_Office_**Consultationhttp://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Property_Office_Consultation

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