Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Editing sessions in the new year
On 12/12/2011 22:44, Chris Keating wrote: I was talking to Gordon Joly and Philafrenzy about this at the Wikimeet and I think the collective feeling was that contact before and after an editing session is important as well as the event itself. I can certainly think of events where lots of people have turned up, but none of the new wannabe Wikipedians has gone on to contribute after the event - perhaps this could be improved by some friendly emails afterwards offering to continue the help offered on the day. I think we're definitely learning more about how we do these things, and hopefully these events - whatever form they end up taking - will continue that. Chris Yes, we should be a little more formal. Assess skills (and requirements) before the event, and get proper feedback on the session, and then a few weeks later. Also, stick to a standard package to be delivered (they already exist?). As I mentioned on Sunday, I spent four two hour sessions with a local community group (a few years back) teaching very basic wiki skills. I had installed Mediawiki, with a view to using it as a blog, website and later a community archive. Note: we did not go anywhere near Wikipedia. I was training them in editing skills alone, using Mediawiki. A few years before that (ten years ago?) we had used TWiki for another project in the same community. Hence, we did not cover the standards and procedures Wikipedia (e.g. The Five Pillars). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWiki Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Editing sessions in the new year
I'm in, but please not a basement. I have mobile broadband and if I remember to bring it the WiFi will work and it won't be needed. But mobile broadband abhors basements. WSC On 9 December 2011 22:28, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.comwrote: On 9 December 2011 22:14, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote: My experience of running similar events for WMUK is that if it has WiFi and chairs, we can make it work. A basement could work well if it meets those two criteria. I've seen the chairs; wifi is hearsay. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Editing sessions in the new year
Richard, I am doing a part time course at the University of Reading, maybe we could run a course on the campus? Plenty of interested parties at the University and in the town I would think. Stephen Gardner (Philafrenzy) From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Richard Symonds Sent: 09 December 2011 19:27 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Editing sessions in the new year All, There's been an awful lot of fundraiser emails coming in from donors who are asking about how to edit. The following statements aren't direct quotes - I've reworded them for privacy's sake, but they're 'based on a true story' and indicative of the sort of emails we're getting: Some of the emails are very keen: I know how to use a computer, and was wondering if I could proof read for you! I can't donate each month, but maybe I can help you run the Wikipedia? Some are confused about policies: I'm afraid that if I edit about X, I'll contravene the second and third pillars, but I'm not sure about the fifth pillar. Some are just confused about editing: How do I edit a page? This is all very difficult One or two are genuinely thrilled at the idea of being able to edit: I would love to be part of a thing as amazing as this - my generation would never have dreamt of something as wonderful as wiki. I think Wikipedia is great, and I'd really like you to teach me how I can be a part of it Rather than point them straight at some tutorial page on Wikipedia (which may not be helpful), or at OTRS (which tends to be a hit hit-and-miss) I am hoping we can run a 'learn to edit' session, advertised to those donors who have expressed an interest, at some point in the new year. It'd be aimed at complete beginners, and probably somewhere with a dense population, like Manchester, Liverpool, Bristol, Glasgow, Birmingham, Cardiff, London etc. Potentially there would be businesswomen, elderly war veterans, foreign students all at the same event: we'd try to target it as much as possible, but that might not be easily possible. Is there anyone who'd be interested in running this, or helping out at it? All the best, Richard Symonds Office Manager Wikimedia UK +44 7885 764 613 -- Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Our Registered Charity No. is 1144513. The Registered Office is 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. Wikimedia UK is the local chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] Editing sessions in the new year
All, There's been an awful lot of fundraiser emails coming in from donors who are asking about how to edit. The following statements aren't direct quotes - I've reworded them for privacy's sake, but they're 'based on a true story' and indicative of the sort of emails we're getting: Some of the emails are very keen: I know how to use a computer, and was wondering if I could proof read for you! I can't donate each month, but maybe I can help you run the Wikipedia? Some are confused about policies: I'm afraid that if I edit about X, I'll contravene the second and third pillars, but I'm not sure about the fifth pillar. Some are just confused about editing: How do I edit a page? This is all very difficult One or two are genuinely thrilled at the idea of being able to edit: I would love to be part of a thing as amazing as this - my generation would never have dreamt of something as wonderful as wiki. I think Wikipedia is great, and I'd really like you to teach me how I can be a part of it Rather than point them straight at some tutorial page on Wikipedia (which may not be helpful), or at OTRS (which tends to be a hit hit-and-miss) I am hoping we can run a 'learn to edit' session, advertised to those donors who have expressed an interest, at some point in the new year. It'd be aimed at complete beginners, and probably somewhere with a dense population, like Manchester, Liverpool, Bristol, Glasgow, Birmingham, Cardiff, London etc. Potentially there would be businesswomen, elderly war veterans, foreign students all at the same event: we'd try to target it as much as possible, but that might not be easily possible. Is there anyone who'd be interested in running this, or helping out at it? All the best, Richard Symonds Office Manager Wikimedia UK +44 7885 764 613 -- Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Our Registered Charity No. is 1144513. The Registered Office is 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. Wikimedia UK is the local chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Editing sessions in the new year
This is basically what we've been doing with the Girl Geeks. I'd be more than happy to help out. If possible, it would be good to put it in a location that's easiest to get to for most of the 'customers'. Or perhaps holding several and making sure we're nice and geographically diverse. Harry From: Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, 9 December 2011, 19:27 Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Editing sessions in the new year All, There’s been an awful lot of fundraiser emails coming in from donors who are asking about how to edit. The following statements aren’t direct quotes – I’ve reworded them for privacy’s sake, but they’re ‘based on a true story’ and indicative of the sort of emails we’re getting: Some of the emails are very keen: “ I know how to use a computer, and was wondering if I could proof read for you!” “I can’t donate each month, but maybe I can help you run the Wikipedia? ” Some are confused about policies: “I’m afraid that if I edit about X, I’ll contravene the second and third pillars, but I’m not sure about the fifth pillar…” Some are just confused about editing: “How do I edit a page? This is all very difficult” One or two are genuinely thrilled at the idea of being able to edit: “I would love to be part of a thing as amazing as this – my generation would never have dreamt of something as wonderful as wiki. I think Wikipedia is great, and I’d really like you to teach me how I can be a part of it” Rather than point them straight at some tutorial page on Wikipedia (which may not be helpful), or at OTRS (which tends to be a hit hit-and-miss) I am hoping we can run a ‘learn to edit’ session, advertised to those donors who have expressed an interest, at some point in the new year. It’d be aimed at complete beginners, and probably somewhere with a dense population, like Manchester, Liverpool, Bristol, Glasgow, Birmingham, Cardiff, London etc. Potentially there would be businesswomen, elderly war veterans, foreign students all at the same event: we’d try to target it as much as possible, but that might not be easily possible. Is there anyone who’d be interested in running this, or helping out at it? All the best, Richard Symonds Office Manager Wikimedia UK +44 7885 764 613 -- Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Our Registered Charity No. is 1144513. The Registered Office is 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. Wikimedia UK is the local chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Editing sessions in the new year
On 9 December 2011 19:36, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote: This is basically what we've been doing with the Girl Geeks. I'd be more than happy to help out. If possible, it would be good to put it in a location that's easiest to get to for most of the 'customers'. Or perhaps holding several and making sure we're nice and geographically diverse. This sounds like a great idea. I'd love to help out running a few of these in the South-East/London; might be sensible to get a rough feel of distribution to work out how many (and how widespread) we'd want them to be... J. -- James D. Forrester jdforres...@wikimedia.org | jdforres...@gmail.com [[Wikipedia:User:Jdforrester|James F.]] ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Editing sessions in the new year
On 9 December 2011 20:08, James Forrester ja...@jdforrester.org wrote: This sounds like a great idea. I'd love to help out running a few of these in the South-East/London; might be sensible to get a rough feel of distribution to work out how many (and how widespread) we'd want them to be... Central London - the WMUK office - has suitable bookable space in the basement, and Jon Davies thought it might be quite easy to get it on weekends. Just a thought. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Editing sessions in the new year
My experience of running similar events for WMUK is that if it has WiFi and chairs, we can make it work. A basement could work well if it meets those two criteria. Harry From: Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, 9 December 2011, 22:10 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Editing sessions in the new year On 9 December 2011 20:08, James Forrester ja...@jdforrester.org wrote: This sounds like a great idea. I'd love to help out running a few of these in the South-East/London; might be sensible to get a rough feel of distribution to work out how many (and how widespread) we'd want them to be... Central London - the WMUK office - has suitable bookable space in the basement, and Jon Davies thought it might be quite easy to get it on weekends. Just a thought. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
