Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - meetups

2011-06-02 Thread Gordon Joly
On 30/05/2011 11:17, Fae wrote:
> The BL cafe can be ridiculously busy and probably would be tricky for
> anyone to work out where a small group of Wikimedians are. The
> Business and IP centre has a very nice lounge area but I don't think
> they would want us to reserve tables, though I can ask the staff
> during our editathon on Saturday about alternatives. BTW, there are up
> to 10 places left if anyone wants to register for the event.
> *http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editathon,_British_Library




# Is remote participation viable?

 Yes, articles being improved (or needing peer review) will be added 
to our teamwork page at WP:GLAM/BL and you can help with any of the 
outstanding tasks. The IRC channel for the event will be 
#wikipedia-glam  which can be used to discuss changes or ask for help in 
real time from anywhere.



Probably will not get down in person (busy weekend for me!) but 
would try to spend some time online

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - meetups

2011-05-30 Thread Fae
The BL cafe can be ridiculously busy and probably would be tricky for
anyone to work out where a small group of Wikimedians are. The
Business and IP centre has a very nice lounge area but I don't think
they would want us to reserve tables, though I can ask the staff
during our editathon on Saturday about alternatives. BTW, there are up
to 10 places left if anyone wants to register for the event.
* http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editathon,_British_Library

I suggest that we investigate some of the other quieter public
libraries that are easy to travel to around London, many have rooms
free for public events, are near other facilities or house interesting
archives and many Librarians would be keen to be seen to be involved.
For example http://www.bishopsgate.org.uk near Liverpool Street train
station is open on Saturdays, has a research room, interesting
archives, free wifi and is normally a quiet library.
* http://www.bishopsgate.org.uk/content.aspx?CategoryID=968

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - meetups

2011-05-30 Thread Gordon Joly
On 29/05/2011 23:56, WereSpielChequers wrote:
> Starting the London meetup in the British Library Cafe and adjourning
> to a pub sounds worth testing - lets discuss it at the meetup on
> Sunday week.
>
> WSC
Yes, good idea, but a two venue setup will confuse latecomers? So cafe 
at 1pm, pub at 5pm?

London Wiki Wednesday organizers (ducks) got a lot of flack recently 
when newcomers could not find the group!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - meetups

2011-05-29 Thread WereSpielChequers
I made an approach to the Bangla pedia people about running an event
in London, but not had any interest. I may try another tack, if I find
a language where they are interested in a London event I'll post
something on the UK wiki.

Starting the London meetup in the British Library Cafe and adjourning
to a pub sounds worth testing - lets discuss it at the meetup on
Sunday week.

WSC

On 29 May 2011 12:49, Michael Peel  wrote:
>
> On 18 May 2011, at 07:04, Lewis Cawte wrote:
>
>> Hmm, maybe we should start drafting some ideas on the chapter site, even
>> if its under my user: namespace or something, like links to venues and
>> whatever... then someone could present it at the AGM if they needed
>> to/wanted to..
>
> If you think such a page would be useful, then please go ahead and create it 
> - the WMUK wiki is open for everyone to edit for a reason. ;-) I'd encourage 
> more of a direct approach, though - try organising a meetup, and record what 
> the outcomes and lessons learnt are afterwards...
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - meetups

2011-05-29 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 16 May 2011 22:45, James Forrester  wrote:
> On 16 May 2011 21:51, Lewis Cawte  wrote:
>> I don't know, I'm 14, (15 in September), I live in Brighton, so it
>> wouldn't be too hard to get there, but the idea of getting lost in
>> London by myself scares me, and going unaccompanied into the pub (the
>> regular venue I believe)... I guess I like the hackathon because theres
>> a fair amount of time for talks and bugsmashing as well, and there are
>> lots of techy people in one room...
>
> As the organiser of the London meetups, I should throw in here that
> I've been mindful of the lack of variation in venues and a worry that
> as a pub, the location discourages some of our community - I'd be
> happy to move it to another spot if that would work better for people
> (Lewis and others). :-)

The British Library might be a good choice. There are lots of tables
we can sit at, wifi, a cafe and, should people want to make use of
them, reading rooms with access to lots of books. The opening hours
aren't as good as a pub, though - I think we would get thrown out at
5pm (at which point we can relocate to a pub) and lots of things
aren't open at all on Sundays, so we would probably need to move the
meetup to a Saturday (which might be good - I'm sure there are some
people that can't make Sundays).

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - meetups

2011-05-29 Thread Michael Peel

On 18 May 2011, at 07:04, Lewis Cawte wrote:

> Hmm, maybe we should start drafting some ideas on the chapter site, even
> if its under my user: namespace or something, like links to venues and
> whatever... then someone could present it at the AGM if they needed
> to/wanted to..

If you think such a page would be useful, then please go ahead and create it - 
the WMUK wiki is open for everyone to edit for a reason. ;-) I'd encourage more 
of a direct approach, though - try organising a meetup, and record what the 
outcomes and lessons learnt are afterwards...

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - meetups - which groups are discouraged from participation

2011-05-20 Thread Gordon Joly
On 19/05/2011 20:43, Richard Farmbrough wrote:
> Very much the problem of WP inclusionism writ small (the pub thing). We
> know that various groups are under-represented as editors, but not
> whether (or to be more accurate to what extent) this is due to
> particular causes.
>
Let's be honest. And realistic.

The demographic profile of editors is well understood by anybody on this 
list. Knowledge of diversity make sure that disabled people (access), 
Muslims (pub meets) and other groups are not (further) excluded.

Gordo



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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - meetups - which groups are discouraged from participation

2011-05-19 Thread Richard Farmbrough
On 19/05/2011 12:34, Gordon Joly wrote:
> On 19/05/2011 12:29, Richard Farmbrough wrote:
>> I have been in pubs with Muslims - neither they nor I drinking alcohol.
>> So I'm not sure how much of a barrier that is. From the publican's point
>> of view, the margins on almost anything other than alcoholic drinks
>> certainly used to be better, whether this is still the case I don't know.
>>
> On the other hand, a (strict) Muslim friend would not attend my birthday
> party in a pub.
>
> If people are absent, they may not be counted. I recall somebody saying
> how rich a country was. Everybody is driving round in fancy new cars.
> But the people who are poor are not seen, since they are not driving
> cars of any sort, and living in away from the richer areas.
>
> Gordo
>
>
>
Very much the problem of WP inclusionism writ small (the pub thing). We 
know that various groups are under-represented as editors, but not 
whether (or to be more accurate to what extent) this is due to 
particular causes.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - meetups

2011-05-19 Thread Gordon Joly
On 19/05/2011 12:29, Richard Farmbrough wrote:
> I have been in pubs with Muslims - neither they nor I drinking alcohol.
> So I'm not sure how much of a barrier that is. From the publican's point
> of view, the margins on almost anything other than alcoholic drinks
> certainly used to be better, whether this is still the case I don't know.
>
On the other hand, a (strict) Muslim friend would not attend my birthday 
party in a pub.

If people are absent, they may not be counted. I recall somebody saying 
how rich a country was. Everybody is driving round in fancy new cars. 
But the people who are poor are not seen, since they are not driving 
cars of any sort, and living in away from the richer areas.

Gordo



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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - meetups

2011-05-19 Thread Richard Farmbrough
I have been in pubs with Muslims - neither they nor I drinking alcohol. 
So I'm not sure how much of a barrier that is. From the publican's point 
of view, the margins on almost anything other than alcoholic drinks 
certainly used to be better, whether this is still the case I don't know.

On 17/05/2011 13:37, WereSpielChequers wrote:
> The current arrangements suit me, but I'm conscious that under 18s and
> moslems are unlikely to  come to a pub. Having a loo that weelchair
> users can't use doesn't help either. The advantage of a pub is that
> provided you have a few drinkers such as myself the venue is free, but
> with the current state of Wikimedia UK funds I think we might be able
> to get some grant money to sometimes hire a different venue.
>
> I'd like to try moving round a bit and maybe theming a few events - a
> joint Wikimedia UK/Bangla Wikipedia meetup at the
> http://www.eastlondonmosque.org.uk/facilities would be interesting. If
> the chapter were willing to fund it we could use this for some really
> interesting outreach work.
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - meetups

2011-05-17 Thread Lewis Cawte
On 17/05/11 23:20, Michael Peel wrote:
> On 17 May 2011, at 13:58, Marco Chiesa wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:37 PM, WereSpielChequers
>>  wrote:
>>> The current arrangements suit me, but I'm conscious that under 18s and
>>> moslems are unlikely to  come to a pub. Having a loo that weelchair
>>> users can't use doesn't help either. The advantage of a pub is that
>>> provided you have a few drinkers such as myself the venue is free, but
>>> with the current state of Wikimedia UK funds I think we might be able
>>> to get some grant money to sometimes hire a different venue.
>>>
>> Have you ever tried contacting town councils to get a room for free?
>> Or maybe schools / colleges / university whose spaces are tipically
>> less used on weekends? Normally, it's mostly a question of finding the
>> right person to talk to.
>> Marco
> In general, trying to get a room for free is a very good approach - but if it 
> doesn't work out, then I can't see a reason why WMUK couldn't provide funds 
> to hire the venue, particularly if there is an obvious benefit such as the 
> "joint Wikimedia UK/Bangla Wikipedia meetup" that WereSpielChequers suggested.
>
> BTW, I've previously tried to get a free room at the university I work at on 
> a weekend for the WMUK AGM in 2009, but failed to get it for free because 
> they would have to charge to open up the building on a Saturday (we had a 
> lack of money at the time of this AGM). We ended up in a good room in a 
> nearby pub that we hired for free - but again, it was not disabled-friendly 
> and had several other flaws as a meeting place. Moral of the story: there are 
> many obstacles that can present themselves when trying to get a room for 
> free, and sometimes the best way to get around them in this 
> business-orientated world is with some amount of money
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
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Hmm, maybe we should start drafting some ideas on the chapter site, even
if its under my user: namespace or something, like links to venues and
whatever... then someone could present it at the AGM if they needed
to/wanted to..

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - meetups

2011-05-17 Thread Michael Peel

On 17 May 2011, at 13:58, Marco Chiesa wrote:

> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:37 PM, WereSpielChequers
>  wrote:
>> The current arrangements suit me, but I'm conscious that under 18s and
>> moslems are unlikely to  come to a pub. Having a loo that weelchair
>> users can't use doesn't help either. The advantage of a pub is that
>> provided you have a few drinkers such as myself the venue is free, but
>> with the current state of Wikimedia UK funds I think we might be able
>> to get some grant money to sometimes hire a different venue.
>> 
> 
> Have you ever tried contacting town councils to get a room for free?
> Or maybe schools / colleges / university whose spaces are tipically
> less used on weekends? Normally, it's mostly a question of finding the
> right person to talk to.
> Marco

In general, trying to get a room for free is a very good approach - but if it 
doesn't work out, then I can't see a reason why WMUK couldn't provide funds to 
hire the venue, particularly if there is an obvious benefit such as the "joint 
Wikimedia UK/Bangla Wikipedia meetup" that WereSpielChequers suggested.

BTW, I've previously tried to get a free room at the university I work at on a 
weekend for the WMUK AGM in 2009, but failed to get it for free because they 
would have to charge to open up the building on a Saturday (we had a lack of 
money at the time of this AGM). We ended up in a good room in a nearby pub that 
we hired for free - but again, it was not disabled-friendly and had several 
other flaws as a meeting place. Moral of the story: there are many obstacles 
that can present themselves when trying to get a room for free, and sometimes 
the best way to get around them in this business-orientated world is with some 
amount of money

Thanks,
Mike


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - hackathon

2011-05-17 Thread Tom Morris
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 14:28, Chris Keating  wrote:
> I don't suppose any of the people expressing interest in this thread would
> be interested in taking a lead in organising something?
> I can definitely see the Board agreeing to support something like this -
> financially and otherwise as required - but far easier to do if there is a
> volunteer who isn't on the Board who can scope it, find times, venues and so
> on.
>

I'm doing some behind-the-scenes scurrying and poking with a view to
perhaps running an event sometime later on in the year (Oct/Nov/Dec)
in London.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - hackathon

2011-05-17 Thread Lewis Cawte
I wouldn't be up to leading this, but I'd help with organisation of some
kind...

On 17/05/11 14:28, Chris Keating wrote:
> I don't suppose any of the people expressing interest in this thread
> would be interested in taking a lead in organising something?
>
> I can definitely see the Board agreeing to support something like this
> - financially and otherwise as required - but far easier to do if
> there is a volunteer who isn't on the Board who can scope it, find
> times, venues and so on.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Richard Farmbrough
> mailto:rich...@farmbrough.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> I'd appreciate such an event, there is more hacking than PHP hacking:
>
> * javascript
> * css
> * templating
> * bot coding
> * regexen
> * category hacking ?
> * borging
>
> On 17/05/2011 13:03, Gordon Joly wrote:
> > On 14/05/2011 11:41, Mike Peel wrote:
> >> I'd love to hear thoughts from others about this - particularly
> from any devs on this list.
> >>
> > I am not a developer, but I do get my hands dirty with Mediawiki
> > (extensions and now "widgets"). At present, I would to extend the
> > OpenSteetMap Widget for Mediawiki... and I would really like a
> chance to
> > hang out with develeoper, Developers, DEVELOPERS But I am not a
> > person who write large chunks of code...
> >
> > Gordo
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - hackathon

2011-05-17 Thread Thomas Morton
Are most of the people interested in this located in London? If not I could
possibly look into organising a Hackathon somewhere in the East Midlands
(fairly central...) - Nottingham perhaps.

Tom / ErrantX

On 17 May 2011 14:28, Chris Keating  wrote:

> I don't suppose any of the people expressing interest in this thread would
> be interested in taking a lead in organising something?
>
> I can definitely see the Board agreeing to support something like this -
> financially and otherwise as required - but far easier to do if there is a
> volunteer who isn't on the Board who can scope it, find times, venues and so
> on.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I'd appreciate such an event, there is more hacking than PHP hacking:
>>
>> * javascript
>> * css
>> * templating
>> * bot coding
>> * regexen
>> * category hacking ?
>> * borging
>>
>> On 17/05/2011 13:03, Gordon Joly wrote:
>> > On 14/05/2011 11:41, Mike Peel wrote:
>> >> I'd love to hear thoughts from others about this - particularly from
>> any devs on this list.
>> >>
>> > I am not a developer, but I do get my hands dirty with Mediawiki
>> > (extensions and now "widgets"). At present, I would to extend the
>> > OpenSteetMap Widget for Mediawiki... and I would really like a chance to
>> > hang out with develeoper, Developers, DEVELOPERS But I am not a
>> > person who write large chunks of code...
>> >
>> > Gordo
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - hackathon

2011-05-17 Thread Chris Keating
I don't suppose any of the people expressing interest in this thread would
be interested in taking a lead in organising something?

I can definitely see the Board agreeing to support something like this -
financially and otherwise as required - but far easier to do if there is a
volunteer who isn't on the Board who can scope it, find times, venues and so
on.

Chris



On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:

> I'd appreciate such an event, there is more hacking than PHP hacking:
>
> * javascript
> * css
> * templating
> * bot coding
> * regexen
> * category hacking ?
> * borging
>
> On 17/05/2011 13:03, Gordon Joly wrote:
> > On 14/05/2011 11:41, Mike Peel wrote:
> >> I'd love to hear thoughts from others about this - particularly from any
> devs on this list.
> >>
> > I am not a developer, but I do get my hands dirty with Mediawiki
> > (extensions and now "widgets"). At present, I would to extend the
> > OpenSteetMap Widget for Mediawiki... and I would really like a chance to
> > hang out with develeoper, Developers, DEVELOPERS But I am not a
> > person who write large chunks of code...
> >
> > Gordo
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - hackathon

2011-05-17 Thread Richard Farmbrough
I'd appreciate such an event, there is more hacking than PHP hacking:

* javascript
* css
* templating
* bot coding
* regexen
* category hacking ?
* borging

On 17/05/2011 13:03, Gordon Joly wrote:
> On 14/05/2011 11:41, Mike Peel wrote:
>> I'd love to hear thoughts from others about this - particularly from any 
>> devs on this list.
>>
> I am not a developer, but I do get my hands dirty with Mediawiki
> (extensions and now "widgets"). At present, I would to extend the
> OpenSteetMap Widget for Mediawiki... and I would really like a chance to
> hang out with develeoper, Developers, DEVELOPERS But I am not a
> person who write large chunks of code...
>
> Gordo
>
>


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - meetups

2011-05-17 Thread Marco Chiesa
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:37 PM, WereSpielChequers
 wrote:
> The current arrangements suit me, but I'm conscious that under 18s and
> moslems are unlikely to  come to a pub. Having a loo that weelchair
> users can't use doesn't help either. The advantage of a pub is that
> provided you have a few drinkers such as myself the venue is free, but
> with the current state of Wikimedia UK funds I think we might be able
> to get some grant money to sometimes hire a different venue.
>

Have you ever tried contacting town councils to get a room for free?
Or maybe schools / colleges / university whose spaces are tipically
less used on weekends? Normally, it's mostly a question of finding the
right person to talk to.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - meetups

2011-05-17 Thread WereSpielChequers
The current arrangements suit me, but I'm conscious that under 18s and
moslems are unlikely to  come to a pub. Having a loo that weelchair
users can't use doesn't help either. The advantage of a pub is that
provided you have a few drinkers such as myself the venue is free, but
with the current state of Wikimedia UK funds I think we might be able
to get some grant money to sometimes hire a different venue.

I'd like to try moving round a bit and maybe theming a few events - a
joint Wikimedia UK/Bangla Wikipedia meetup at the
http://www.eastlondonmosque.org.uk/facilities would be interesting. If
the chapter were willing to fund it we could use this for some really
interesting outreach work.

WSC

On 16 May 2011 22:45, James Forrester  wrote:
> On 16 May 2011 21:51, Lewis Cawte  wrote:
>> I don't know, I'm 14, (15 in September), I live in Brighton, so it
>> wouldn't be too hard to get there, but the idea of getting lost in
>> London by myself scares me, and going unaccompanied into the pub (the
>> regular venue I believe)... I guess I like the hackathon because theres
>> a fair amount of time for talks and bugsmashing as well, and there are
>> lots of techy people in one room...
>
> As the organiser of the London meetups, I should throw in here that
> I've been mindful of the lack of variation in venues and a worry that
> as a pub, the location discourages some of our community - I'd be
> happy to move it to another spot if that would work better for people
> (Lewis and others). :-)
>
> J.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - hackathon

2011-05-17 Thread Gordon Joly
On 14/05/2011 11:41, Mike Peel wrote:
> I'd love to hear thoughts from others about this - particularly from any devs 
> on this list.
>
I am not a developer, but I do get my hands dirty with Mediawiki 
(extensions and now "widgets"). At present, I would to extend the 
OpenSteetMap Widget for Mediawiki... and I would really like a chance to 
hang out with develeoper, Developers, DEVELOPERS But I am not a 
person who write large chunks of code...

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - meetups

2011-05-16 Thread James Forrester
On 16 May 2011 21:51, Lewis Cawte  wrote:
> I don't know, I'm 14, (15 in September), I live in Brighton, so it
> wouldn't be too hard to get there, but the idea of getting lost in
> London by myself scares me, and going unaccompanied into the pub (the
> regular venue I believe)... I guess I like the hackathon because theres
> a fair amount of time for talks and bugsmashing as well, and there are
> lots of techy people in one room...

As the organiser of the London meetups, I should throw in here that
I've been mindful of the lack of variation in venues and a worry that
as a pub, the location discourages some of our community - I'd be
happy to move it to another spot if that would work better for people
(Lewis and others). :-)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - meetups

2011-05-16 Thread Lewis Cawte
I don't know, I'm 14, (15 in September), I live in Brighton, so it
wouldn't be too hard to get there, but the idea of getting lost in
London by myself scares me, and going unaccompanied into the pub (the
regular venue I believe)... I guess I like the hackathon because theres
a fair amount of time for talks and bugsmashing as well, and there are
lots of techy people in one room...

-- Lewis Cawte
On 16/05/11 18:48, WereSpielChequers wrote:
> Hi Lewis,
>
> We also have meetups, in London particularly we have a monthly one.
> They are good for a range of informal collaborations including showing
> people some gadgets they might not have tried yet (and there is
> usually one end of the table reserved for copyright afficionados). If
> London isn't convenient for you maybe there is another city near by?
> It would be good to try out a meetup in areas of the country we
> haven't yet run them in.
>
> WereSpielChequers
>
> On 27 April 2011 17:46, Lewis Cawte  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm not a member of Wikimedia UK (because I can never find the money
>> when I think about joining), but I've noticed a lot of the events are
>> university things or museum stuff, I was wondering, are there any other
>> types of events, for example, I know the Dutch/German chapters run or
>> host the occasional Hack-a-Thon or meetups at other coding related
>> events. Do we do anything other than the GLAM or whatever it is?
>>
>> -- Lewis Cawte
>> 14 year old Wikimedia, LAMP server owner and follower of MediaWiki
>> development.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - meetups

2011-05-16 Thread WereSpielChequers
Hi Lewis,

We also have meetups, in London particularly we have a monthly one.
They are good for a range of informal collaborations including showing
people some gadgets they might not have tried yet (and there is
usually one end of the table reserved for copyright afficionados). If
London isn't convenient for you maybe there is another city near by?
It would be good to try out a meetup in areas of the country we
haven't yet run them in.

WereSpielChequers

On 27 April 2011 17:46, Lewis Cawte  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm not a member of Wikimedia UK (because I can never find the money
> when I think about joining), but I've noticed a lot of the events are
> university things or museum stuff, I was wondering, are there any other
> types of events, for example, I know the Dutch/German chapters run or
> host the occasional Hack-a-Thon or meetups at other coding related
> events. Do we do anything other than the GLAM or whatever it is?
>
> -- Lewis Cawte
> 14 year old Wikimedia, LAMP server owner and follower of MediaWiki
> development.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - hackathon

2011-05-15 Thread Harry Burt
This is something I'd like to attend. I run bots, have a Toolserver account
and have submitted patches to the main MediaWiki codebase.

Only problem for me may be the timing (I have exams). But that can be sorted
later.

Regards,
Harry (User:Jarry1250)

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Lewis Cawte wrote:

> I know of 1 developer in the UK, who is currently in Berlin, and I'd
> hope to have commit by then. One thing I have noticed, is that a lot of
> the developers there, are WMF staff/contractors from all over the place
> that have flown in, so it'd be interesting to see what the deal is with
> that... (I know Tim Starling, the release manager has probably flown in
> from Australia). It'd also be chance for British Wikimedians to talk to
> the developers, share some opinions face to face, and for people to do
> talks on general WM-UK stuff if they wanted to...
>
> -- Lewis Cawte
>
> On 14/05/11 11:41, Mike Peel wrote:
> > A hackathon in the uk would be great. My main worry with it would be
> having enough developers turn up at it, though. There are a lot of German
> mediawiki developers, which means that the events in Berlin are always
> successful, but there are a lot fewer devs in the uk. So I suspect the main
> focus of at least the first hackathon would be introducing people to the
> code - which then needs a cadre of current developers to lead, teach and
> assist as they make their first commits.
> >
> > I'd love to hear thoughts from others about this - particularly from any
> devs on this list.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> >
> > On 14 May 2011, at 11:31, Lewis Cawte  wrote:
> >
> >> Hm, I think we should throw a hackathon, I've been watching the talks at
> >> the one in Berlin so far, and its quite interesting. I'd show up and
> >> would help with some things (not a member of WM-UK though), but its an
> >> idea, anyway...
> >>
> >> -- Lewis Cawte
> >>
> >> On 27/04/11 18:04, steve virgin wrote:
> >>> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Events
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Lewis
> >>>
> >>> Answer is 'yes'
> >>>
> >>> The next year's events are starting to be discussed now and input is
> warmly
> >>> welcome.
> >>>
> >>> Attached link is a place to keep an eye on as it will show events as
> they
> >>> begin to happen. Do get involved if you can, it would be great to meet
> up
> >>> with you at one.
> >>>
> >>> Best
> >>>
> >>> Steve
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
> >>> [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Lewis
> Cawte
> >>> Sent: 27 April 2011 17:47
> >>> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> >>> Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I'm not a member of Wikimedia UK (because I can never find the money
> >>> when I think about joining), but I've noticed a lot of the events are
> >>> university things or museum stuff, I was wondering, are there any other
> >>> types of events, for example, I know the Dutch/German chapters run or
> >>> host the occasional Hack-a-Thon or meetups at other coding related
> >>> events. Do we do anything other than the GLAM or whatever it is?
> >>>
> >>> -- Lewis Cawte
> >>> 14 year old Wikimedia, LAMP server owner and follower of MediaWiki
> >>> development.
> >>>
> >>> ___
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> >>> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - hackathon

2011-05-14 Thread Tom Morris
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 12:41, Mike Peel  wrote:
> A hackathon in the uk would be great. My main worry with it would be having 
> enough developers turn up at it, though. There are a lot of German mediawiki 
> developers, which means that the events in Berlin are always successful, but 
> there are a lot fewer devs in the uk. So I suspect the main focus of at least 
> the first hackathon would be introducing people to the code - which then 
> needs a cadre of current developers to lead, teach and assist as they make 
> their first commits.
>
> I'd love to hear thoughts from others about this - particularly from any devs 
> on this list.
>

I'm not a MediaWiki developer, but I have helped to organise three
BarCamp events. These are overnight events done for very little money
in partnership with a variety of companies or universities.

We run overnight events in central London with three hundred
developers and other interested people for a fraction of the cost of a
similar commercial event. How? Well, we organise them in kind of a
wiki way. Early BarCamps used to simply be people putting up "hey,
we've got this space for the weekend, we need food, wifi etc., stick
down on the wiki what you can provide".

I'd be very interested in having some kind of Wikimedia/free culture
hack day, perhaps at a university over a weekend. There are a variety
of sponsors we could approach to do this.

I wouldn't worry too much about the existing Wikimedia developers:
they have events to go to. But getting more people involved from
outside the Wiki[p|m]edia community is something we should do: there
are plenty of developers I know who have great good will towards
projects like Wikipedia and probably would be interested in getting
involved, building hacks and so on.

A hack day type event usually takes this form:

Saturday
09:00 - 10:00 Breakfast
10:00 - 10:30 Welcome / Intro
10:30 - 12:30 Intro sessions: ideas, technical stuff etc.
12:30 - 13:30 Lunch and START HACKING

Sunday
08:00 - 10:00 Breakfast
CONTINUE HACKING
13:00 Lunch, stop hacking
14:00 present things people have built, then give out prizes.


Who might be able to run such an event? At BarCamp, we've hosted them
at The Guardian (near Kings Cross), IBM (South Bank) and City
University (near Angel station). A number of hack days have been run
at The Guardian, and I helped run WarbleCamp there (a Twitter hack
day). We've also had events at eBay/PayPal (Richmond) and Google (near
Victoria station).

For Wikimedia UK/WMF, it could be seen as a form of developer
evangelism - see http://developer-evangelism.com/

It might draw more people into working on stuff for toolserver,
helping run bots, fixing long-standing issues (maybe some awesome
image recognition person will turn up and write bots to go tag stuff
on Commons), or maybe we'll just get cool ideas out of it. Either way,
people will probably go home from it with a better feeling about
Wikipedia, and next time they think "I should build a mashup", it may
be that they decide to hack on MediaWiki or Wikimedia API stuff rather
than Twitter or Facebook.

When I started writing this e-mail, I tweeted asking if anyone would
be interested in having a Wikimedia hack day in London. I've already
had two positive responses from BarCamp/hack day regulars and Kevin
Prince, one of the co-organisers of BarCamp London and a number of
hack days, has retweeted it.

If there is interest in doing this kind of thing, we could do it in a
very lightweight and cost-effective way by following the sort of model
used by BarCamps, hack days and HackCamps.

Yours,

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - hackathon

2011-05-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 May 2011 11:51, Lewis Cawte  wrote:

> I know of 1 developer in the UK, who is currently in Berlin, and I'd
> hope to have commit by then. One thing I have noticed, is that a lot of
> the developers there, are WMF staff/contractors from all over the place
> that have flown in, so it'd be interesting to see what the deal is with
> that...


I understand it's sponsored by WM-DE (something useful to spend the
money on). They also run the toolserver.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - hackathon

2011-05-14 Thread Harry Burt
(resending this due to mailing list subscription quirks)

This is something I'd like to attend. I run bots, have a Toolserver account
and have submitted patches to the main MediaWiki codebase.

Only problem for me may be the timing (I have exams). But that can be sorted
later.

Regards,
Harry (User:Jarry1250)


On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Lewis Cawte wrote:

> I know of 1 developer in the UK, who is currently in Berlin, and I'd
> hope to have commit by then. One thing I have noticed, is that a lot of
> the developers there, are WMF staff/contractors from all over the place
> that have flown in, so it'd be interesting to see what the deal is with
> that... (I know Tim Starling, the release manager has probably flown in
> from Australia). It'd also be chance for British Wikimedians to talk to
> the developers, share some opinions face to face, and for people to do
> talks on general WM-UK stuff if they wanted to...
>
> -- Lewis Cawte
>
> On 14/05/11 11:41, Mike Peel wrote:
> > A hackathon in the uk would be great. My main worry with it would be
> having enough developers turn up at it, though. There are a lot of German
> mediawiki developers, which means that the events in Berlin are always
> successful, but there are a lot fewer devs in the uk. So I suspect the main
> focus of at least the first hackathon would be introducing people to the
> code - which then needs a cadre of current developers to lead, teach and
> assist as they make their first commits.
> >
> > I'd love to hear thoughts from others about this - particularly from any
> devs on this list.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> >
> > On 14 May 2011, at 11:31, Lewis Cawte  wrote:
> >
> >> Hm, I think we should throw a hackathon, I've been watching the talks at
> >> the one in Berlin so far, and its quite interesting. I'd show up and
> >> would help with some things (not a member of WM-UK though), but its an
> >> idea, anyway...
> >>
> >> -- Lewis Cawte
> >>
> >> On 27/04/11 18:04, steve virgin wrote:
> >>> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Events
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Lewis
> >>>
> >>> Answer is 'yes'
> >>>
> >>> The next year's events are starting to be discussed now and input is
> warmly
> >>> welcome.
> >>>
> >>> Attached link is a place to keep an eye on as it will show events as
> they
> >>> begin to happen. Do get involved if you can, it would be great to meet
> up
> >>> with you at one.
> >>>
> >>> Best
> >>>
> >>> Steve
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
> >>> [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Lewis
> Cawte
> >>> Sent: 27 April 2011 17:47
> >>> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> >>> Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I'm not a member of Wikimedia UK (because I can never find the money
> >>> when I think about joining), but I've noticed a lot of the events are
> >>> university things or museum stuff, I was wondering, are there any other
> >>> types of events, for example, I know the Dutch/German chapters run or
> >>> host the occasional Hack-a-Thon or meetups at other coding related
> >>> events. Do we do anything other than the GLAM or whatever it is?
> >>>
> >>> -- Lewis Cawte
> >>> 14 year old Wikimedia, LAMP server owner and follower of MediaWiki
> >>> development.
> >>>
> >>> ___
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> >>> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
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> >>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - hackathon

2011-05-14 Thread Lewis Cawte
I know of 1 developer in the UK, who is currently in Berlin, and I'd
hope to have commit by then. One thing I have noticed, is that a lot of
the developers there, are WMF staff/contractors from all over the place
that have flown in, so it'd be interesting to see what the deal is with
that... (I know Tim Starling, the release manager has probably flown in
from Australia). It'd also be chance for British Wikimedians to talk to
the developers, share some opinions face to face, and for people to do
talks on general WM-UK stuff if they wanted to...

-- Lewis Cawte

On 14/05/11 11:41, Mike Peel wrote:
> A hackathon in the uk would be great. My main worry with it would be having 
> enough developers turn up at it, though. There are a lot of German mediawiki 
> developers, which means that the events in Berlin are always successful, but 
> there are a lot fewer devs in the uk. So I suspect the main focus of at least 
> the first hackathon would be introducing people to the code - which then 
> needs a cadre of current developers to lead, teach and assist as they make 
> their first commits.
>
> I'd love to hear thoughts from others about this - particularly from any devs 
> on this list.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> On 14 May 2011, at 11:31, Lewis Cawte  wrote:
>
>> Hm, I think we should throw a hackathon, I've been watching the talks at
>> the one in Berlin so far, and its quite interesting. I'd show up and
>> would help with some things (not a member of WM-UK though), but its an
>> idea, anyway...
>>
>> -- Lewis Cawte
>>
>> On 27/04/11 18:04, steve virgin wrote:
>>> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Events
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Lewis
>>>
>>> Answer is 'yes'
>>>
>>> The next year's events are starting to be discussed now and input is warmly
>>> welcome. 
>>>
>>> Attached link is a place to keep an eye on as it will show events as they
>>> begin to happen. Do get involved if you can, it would be great to meet up
>>> with you at one.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Lewis Cawte
>>> Sent: 27 April 2011 17:47
>>> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm not a member of Wikimedia UK (because I can never find the money
>>> when I think about joining), but I've noticed a lot of the events are
>>> university things or museum stuff, I was wondering, are there any other
>>> types of events, for example, I know the Dutch/German chapters run or
>>> host the occasional Hack-a-Thon or meetups at other coding related
>>> events. Do we do anything other than the GLAM or whatever it is?
>>>
>>> -- Lewis Cawte
>>> 14 year old Wikimedia, LAMP server owner and follower of MediaWiki
>>> development.
>>>
>>> ___
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>>> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events - hackathon

2011-05-14 Thread Mike Peel
A hackathon in the uk would be great. My main worry with it would be having 
enough developers turn up at it, though. There are a lot of German mediawiki 
developers, which means that the events in Berlin are always successful, but 
there are a lot fewer devs in the uk. So I suspect the main focus of at least 
the first hackathon would be introducing people to the code - which then needs 
a cadre of current developers to lead, teach and assist as they make their 
first commits.

I'd love to hear thoughts from others about this - particularly from any devs 
on this list.

Thanks,
Mike

On 14 May 2011, at 11:31, Lewis Cawte  wrote:

> Hm, I think we should throw a hackathon, I've been watching the talks at
> the one in Berlin so far, and its quite interesting. I'd show up and
> would help with some things (not a member of WM-UK though), but its an
> idea, anyway...
> 
> -- Lewis Cawte
> 
> On 27/04/11 18:04, steve virgin wrote:
>> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Events
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Lewis
>> 
>> Answer is 'yes'
>> 
>> The next year's events are starting to be discussed now and input is warmly
>> welcome. 
>> 
>> Attached link is a place to keep an eye on as it will show events as they
>> begin to happen. Do get involved if you can, it would be great to meet up
>> with you at one.
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
>> [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Lewis Cawte
>> Sent: 27 April 2011 17:47
>> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm not a member of Wikimedia UK (because I can never find the money
>> when I think about joining), but I've noticed a lot of the events are
>> university things or museum stuff, I was wondering, are there any other
>> types of events, for example, I know the Dutch/German chapters run or
>> host the occasional Hack-a-Thon or meetups at other coding related
>> events. Do we do anything other than the GLAM or whatever it is?
>> 
>> -- Lewis Cawte
>> 14 year old Wikimedia, LAMP server owner and follower of MediaWiki
>> development.
>> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events

2011-05-14 Thread Lewis Cawte
Hm, I think we should throw a hackathon, I've been watching the talks at
the one in Berlin so far, and its quite interesting. I'd show up and
would help with some things (not a member of WM-UK though), but its an
idea, anyway...

-- Lewis Cawte

On 27/04/11 18:04, steve virgin wrote:
> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Events
>
>
> Hi Lewis
>
> Answer is 'yes'
>
> The next year's events are starting to be discussed now and input is warmly
> welcome. 
>
> Attached link is a place to keep an eye on as it will show events as they
> begin to happen. Do get involved if you can, it would be great to meet up
> with you at one.
>
> Best
>
> Steve
>
>
>
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> [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Lewis Cawte
> Sent: 27 April 2011 17:47
> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm not a member of Wikimedia UK (because I can never find the money
> when I think about joining), but I've noticed a lot of the events are
> university things or museum stuff, I was wondering, are there any other
> types of events, for example, I know the Dutch/German chapters run or
> host the occasional Hack-a-Thon or meetups at other coding related
> events. Do we do anything other than the GLAM or whatever it is?
>
> -- Lewis Cawte
> 14 year old Wikimedia, LAMP server owner and follower of MediaWiki
> development.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events

2011-04-27 Thread steve virgin
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Events


Hi Lewis

Answer is 'yes'

The next year's events are starting to be discussed now and input is warmly
welcome. 

Attached link is a place to keep an eye on as it will show events as they
begin to happen. Do get involved if you can, it would be great to meet up
with you at one.

Best

Steve



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Sent: 27 April 2011 17:47
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Other Events

Hi,

I'm not a member of Wikimedia UK (because I can never find the money
when I think about joining), but I've noticed a lot of the events are
university things or museum stuff, I was wondering, are there any other
types of events, for example, I know the Dutch/German chapters run or
host the occasional Hack-a-Thon or meetups at other coding related
events. Do we do anything other than the GLAM or whatever it is?

-- Lewis Cawte
14 year old Wikimedia, LAMP server owner and follower of MediaWiki
development.

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[Wikimediauk-l] Other Events

2011-04-27 Thread Lewis Cawte
Hi,

I'm not a member of Wikimedia UK (because I can never find the money
when I think about joining), but I've noticed a lot of the events are
university things or museum stuff, I was wondering, are there any other
types of events, for example, I know the Dutch/German chapters run or
host the occasional Hack-a-Thon or meetups at other coding related
events. Do we do anything other than the GLAM or whatever it is?

-- Lewis Cawte
14 year old Wikimedia, LAMP server owner and follower of MediaWiki
development.

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