Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Press release (Public Domain Day)

[geni]

2009/12/31 David Gerard :
> 2009/12/31 Brian McNeil :
>> On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 18:44 +, Douglas Gardner wrote:
>
>>> Out of interest, is it legal to upload these at 00:00UTC, or at 00:00 where
>>> WMF is based?
>
>> That's a question for an international copyright lawyer.
>> Since the servers actually run on UTC; why not ignore these quaint ideas
>> of adjusting time based on where people are in the world. :-P
>
>
> Britain is presently on UTC and this is British law, so 00:00:01 UTC
> Jan 1 2010 would be right, I should think.

That is correct. In terms of timing only UK is significant since
nothing not already in the public domain in the US is going to enter
the public domain in the US until 2018 (when stuff published in 1923
will hit the public domain).



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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Press release (Public Domain Day)

[David Gerard]

2009/12/31 Brian McNeil :
> On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 18:44 +, Douglas Gardner wrote:

>> Out of interest, is it legal to upload these at 00:00UTC, or at 00:00 where
>> WMF is based?

> That's a question for an international copyright lawyer.
> Since the servers actually run on UTC; why not ignore these quaint ideas
> of adjusting time based on where people are in the world. :-P


Britain is presently on UTC and this is British law, so 00:00:01 UTC
Jan 1 2010 would be right, I should think.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Press release (Public Domain Day)

[Brian McNeil]

On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 18:44 +, Douglas Gardner wrote:
> Out of interest, is it legal to upload these at 00:00UTC, or at 00:00 where
> WMF is based?

That's a question for an international copyright lawyer.

Since the servers actually run on UTC; why not ignore these quaint ideas
of adjusting time based on where people are in the world. :-P


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Press release (Public Domain Day)

[Douglas Gardner]

Out of interest, is it legal to upload these at 00:00UTC, or at 00:00 where
WMF is based?

MC8

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[mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Michael Peel
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Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Press release (Public Domain Day)

Hi all,

The press release has now gone out, and is now on the WMUK blog.  
There has already been some interest in it from a national newspaper.  
Congratulations and thank you to all that worked on putting it  
together; you've done a fantastic job.

We now need to make sure that we follow up - and make these works  
available on Wikisource etc. as soon as we can tomorrow. Who can help  
with this?

Brian: did you get anywhere with getting Stephen Fry etc. to record  
some of the works of Yeat to go onto Wikip/media?

Mike

On 29 Dec 2009, at 16:05, Michael Peel wrote:

> Just as a follow-up to this, it's fantastic that these press releases
> are being put together - and I hope that this continues going forward
> - but it's important to remember that, if it goes out with the
> Wikimedia UK name on it, it needs to have board approval. Please
> don't start sending out draft press releases before that approval
> exists.
>
> In this case, it's too late, so we'll have to live with it. But
> please don't do this again...
>
> In terms of the content of the press release, there still seem to be
> some outstanding questions. Andrew posted on the talk page 5 days
> ago, pointing out a few things, which it would be good to discuss.
> The central point is: are we absolutely positive that the facts are
> completely accurate? Also, note that the press release as it stands
> is lacking a headline and a date.
>
> Steve's also made some suggested changes, which I've put on the talk
> page.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> On 29 Dec 2009, at 12:23, Michael Peel wrote:
>
>> Ideally, it needs board approval before going out, to make sure that
>> the whole board's happy with it (as it WMUK's name on it). I'm hoping
>> that we can get at tonight's board meeting. If we can hold off until
>> then, that would be great...
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On 29 Dec 2009, at 12:19, Charles Matthews wrote:
>>
>>> OK, striking while the iron is hot with sending this out to London
>>> Review of Books, New Statesman, The Spectator as discussed. This
>>> will be
>>> "not embargoed", i.e. "for immediate use", and otherwise as it
>>> stands on
>>> the wiki. Over to others to protect a definitive wiki version,
>>> circulate
>>> further, progress the other stuff that has been proposed.
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>> Stephen Tilley wrote:
>>>> Apart from:
>>>>
>>>> /About Wikisource:/ (text to go here)
>>>>
>>>> it's very good.
>>>>
>>>> Best Wishes
>>>>
>>>> Stephen Tilley
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dec 29, 2009 08:03:33 AM, charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com
>>>> <mailto:charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> WMUK CC Steve Virgin
>>>>
>>>> Is this
>>>> (http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/Public_domain_day)
>>>> now approved? Can I send it to the three magazines I mentioned?
>>>>
>>>> Charles
>>>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Press release (Public Domain Day)

[Michael Peel]

Hi all,

The press release has now gone out, and is now on the WMUK blog.  
There has already been some interest in it from a national newspaper.  
Congratulations and thank you to all that worked on putting it  
together; you've done a fantastic job.

We now need to make sure that we follow up - and make these works  
available on Wikisource etc. as soon as we can tomorrow. Who can help  
with this?

Brian: did you get anywhere with getting Stephen Fry etc. to record  
some of the works of Yeat to go onto Wikip/media?

Mike

On 29 Dec 2009, at 16:05, Michael Peel wrote:

> Just as a follow-up to this, it's fantastic that these press releases
> are being put together - and I hope that this continues going forward
> - but it's important to remember that, if it goes out with the
> Wikimedia UK name on it, it needs to have board approval. Please
> don't start sending out draft press releases before that approval
> exists.
>
> In this case, it's too late, so we'll have to live with it. But
> please don't do this again...
>
> In terms of the content of the press release, there still seem to be
> some outstanding questions. Andrew posted on the talk page 5 days
> ago, pointing out a few things, which it would be good to discuss.
> The central point is: are we absolutely positive that the facts are
> completely accurate? Also, note that the press release as it stands
> is lacking a headline and a date.
>
> Steve's also made some suggested changes, which I've put on the talk
> page.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> On 29 Dec 2009, at 12:23, Michael Peel wrote:
>
>> Ideally, it needs board approval before going out, to make sure that
>> the whole board's happy with it (as it WMUK's name on it). I'm hoping
>> that we can get at tonight's board meeting. If we can hold off until
>> then, that would be great...
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On 29 Dec 2009, at 12:19, Charles Matthews wrote:
>>
>>> OK, striking while the iron is hot with sending this out to London
>>> Review of Books, New Statesman, The Spectator as discussed. This
>>> will be
>>> "not embargoed", i.e. "for immediate use", and otherwise as it
>>> stands on
>>> the wiki. Over to others to protect a definitive wiki version,
>>> circulate
>>> further, progress the other stuff that has been proposed.
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>> Stephen Tilley wrote:
 Apart from:

 /About Wikisource:/ (text to go here)

 it's very good.

 Best Wishes

 Stephen Tilley


 Dec 29, 2009 08:03:33 AM, charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com
  wrote:

 WMUK CC Steve Virgin

 Is this
 (http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/Public_domain_day)
 now approved? Can I send it to the three magazines I mentioned?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Press release (Public Domain Day)

[Charles Matthews]

Michael Peel wrote:
> In terms of the content of the press release, there still seem to be 
> some outstanding questions. Andrew posted on the talk page 5 days ago, 
> pointing out a few things, which it would be good to discuss. The 
> central point is: are we absolutely positive that the facts are 
> completely accurate? Also, note that the press release as it stands is 
> lacking a headline and a date.
I don't agree with the Talk page comment "release should promote WMUK 
and its activities, e.g. Britain Loves Wikipedia, as much as possible". 
My views on press releases are probably known to readers of the list by 
now. I would go so far as to say that "corporate identity" material is 
dead weight in getting media attention. To put it another way, promotion 
through simply contacting the media has to earn its keep.

On the issue of handling, I have been in contact with a Board member, 
and I imagine my views will be represented to the Board. I'll pass on 
second-guessing the detailed drafting. 70 years is correct for the UK, 
that much is clear, and _in the press release_ nothing else should be 
brought in.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Press release (Public Domain Day)

[Michael Peel]

Just as a follow-up to this, it's fantastic that these press releases  
are being put together - and I hope that this continues going forward  
- but it's important to remember that, if it goes out with the  
Wikimedia UK name on it, it needs to have board approval. Please  
don't start sending out draft press releases before that approval  
exists.

In this case, it's too late, so we'll have to live with it. But  
please don't do this again...

In terms of the content of the press release, there still seem to be  
some outstanding questions. Andrew posted on the talk page 5 days  
ago, pointing out a few things, which it would be good to discuss.  
The central point is: are we absolutely positive that the facts are  
completely accurate? Also, note that the press release as it stands  
is lacking a headline and a date.

Steve's also made some suggested changes, which I've put on the talk  
page.

Thanks,
Mike

On 29 Dec 2009, at 12:23, Michael Peel wrote:

> Ideally, it needs board approval before going out, to make sure that
> the whole board's happy with it (as it WMUK's name on it). I'm hoping
> that we can get at tonight's board meeting. If we can hold off until
> then, that would be great...
>
> Mike
>
> On 29 Dec 2009, at 12:19, Charles Matthews wrote:
>
>> OK, striking while the iron is hot with sending this out to London
>> Review of Books, New Statesman, The Spectator as discussed. This
>> will be
>> "not embargoed", i.e. "for immediate use", and otherwise as it
>> stands on
>> the wiki. Over to others to protect a definitive wiki version,
>> circulate
>> further, progress the other stuff that has been proposed.
>>
>> Charles
>>
>> Stephen Tilley wrote:
>>> Apart from:
>>>
>>> /About Wikisource:/ (text to go here)
>>>
>>> it's very good.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes
>>>
>>> Stephen Tilley
>>>
>>>
>>> Dec 29, 2009 08:03:33 AM, charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> WMUK CC Steve Virgin
>>>
>>> Is this
>>> (http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/Public_domain_day)
>>> now approved? Can I send it to the three magazines I mentioned?
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Press release (Public Domain Day)

[Michael Peel]

Ideally, it needs board approval before going out, to make sure that  
the whole board's happy with it (as it WMUK's name on it). I'm hoping  
that we can get at tonight's board meeting. If we can hold off until  
then, that would be great...

Mike

On 29 Dec 2009, at 12:19, Charles Matthews wrote:

> OK, striking while the iron is hot with sending this out to London
> Review of Books, New Statesman, The Spectator as discussed. This  
> will be
> "not embargoed", i.e. "for immediate use", and otherwise as it  
> stands on
> the wiki. Over to others to protect a definitive wiki version,  
> circulate
> further, progress the other stuff that has been proposed.
>
> Charles
>
> Stephen Tilley wrote:
>> Apart from:
>>
>> /About Wikisource:/ (text to go here)
>>
>> it's very good.
>>
>> Best Wishes
>>
>> Stephen Tilley
>>
>>
>> Dec 29, 2009 08:03:33 AM, charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com
>>  wrote:
>>
>> WMUK CC Steve Virgin
>>
>> Is this
>> (http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/Public_domain_day)
>> now approved? Can I send it to the three magazines I mentioned?
>>
>> Charles
>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Press release (Public Domain Day)

[Charles Matthews]

OK, striking while the iron is hot with sending this out to London 
Review of Books, New Statesman, The Spectator as discussed. This will be 
"not embargoed", i.e. "for immediate use", and otherwise as it stands on 
the wiki. Over to others to protect a definitive wiki version, circulate 
further, progress the other stuff that has been proposed.

Charles

Stephen Tilley wrote:
> Apart from:
>  
> /About Wikisource:/ (text to go here)
>  
> it's very good.
>  
> Best Wishes
>  
> Stephen Tilley
>
>
> Dec 29, 2009 08:03:33 AM, charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com 
>  wrote:
>
> WMUK CC Steve Virgin
>
> Is this
> (http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/Public_domain_day)
> now approved? Can I send it to the three magazines I mentioned?
>
> Charles
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Press release (Public Domain Day)

[Stephen Tilley]

Apart from:
 
About Wikisource: (text to go here)
 
it's very good.
 
Best Wishes
 
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[Wikimediauk-l] Press release (Public Domain Day)

[Charles Matthews]

WMUK CC Steve Virgin

Is this (http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Press_releases/Public_domain_day) 
now approved? Can I send it to the three magazines I mentioned?

Charles


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