Re: [Wikisource-l] Template help needed
Each is a typesetting matter... I don't think that introducing the continuation method was ever intended to make exact page mirroring in HTML possible. AFAIK it was developed to avoid forcing user to switch between pages while verifying the text. And yes, I agree that this exammple is rather curiosity than a page design model. Ankry > Ah okay. Slightly different situation than I was trying to explain. > > > That is just butt ugly. I can think of some tricky ways to do it in a > presentation space so it sort of is like that, but all ultimately > pointless for main namespace. I would simply move it forward a page > and add a about why in the footer of both pages. > Ultimately that is a typesetting matter, not the author's intent, so > why waste time going picture perfect. > > -- billinghurst > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 1:50 AM, Ankry wrote: >> See footnotes 15 & 16: >> >> footnote 15 starts on page 16 and continues on 17 >> footnote 16 is referenced at page 16, so it starts as empty footnote on >> page 16 also and continues on 17 (full footnote text there) >> >> If you can suggest another solution, I will be intrigued. >> >> Ankry >> >>> I don't see *two* footnotes start and continue from the one page, I >>> just see one footnote start on 18 to19, and another start on 19 to 20. >>> I don't see see two footnotes continue start on 18 or 19 and both >>> continue to subsequent pages. >>> >>> -- billinghurst >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Ankry wrote: Billinghurst wrote: > To note that you can use multiple versions of if the > reference carries on. Also to note that you cannot use numbers in > the > ref name, the extension doesn't play, so at enWS we would usually do > something like where it is the initial page and > continue it. I have never seen two footnotes start and continue from > the same page, so it is pretty safe. It happens. See https://pl.wikisource.org/wiki/Strona:Cesarz_Juljan_Apostata_i_jego_satyra_Symposion.djvu/16 https://pl.wikisource.org/wiki/Strona:Cesarz_Juljan_Apostata_i_jego_satyra_Symposion.djvu/17 Ankry ___ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >>> >>> ___ >>> Wikisource-l mailing list >>> Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >>> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Wikisource-l mailing list >> Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l > > ___ > Wikisource-l mailing list > Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l > ___ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Re: [Wikisource-l] [Wikimedia-l] Proposal for New Project - Wikilore
in regards to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikilore On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 2:55 AM, Johan Jönsson wrote: > 2016-01-18 16:37 GMT+01:00 Tanweer Morshed : >> Yeah, I do think the same as well. Wikisource is a good option for that. > > It could be that the Wikisources I'm familiar with are the exceptions, > but they tend to be very vary of material that has never been > published, and this seems to very much be about writing down what's > passed down orally. > > I also imagine the need to do this would be greater the smaller the > language, or at least the less likely it is someone else would write > them down, which probably would correlate with fewer persons who are > potential Wikimedians. Wouldn't that require the creation of a fair > number of Wikisources that would probably never have a decent chance > of getting a community? Wikisource could host most of it, if the oral history is recorded from a native speaker and direct cultural participant. There was a good talk about this at the Hong Kong Wikimania. The recording would be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, and then the transcription can be created on the Multilingual Wikisource, or a more appropriate Wikisource if one exists for the language, and it is a valid source because it has appropriate provenance. Some Wikisource might reject this type of work, especially if the provenance was not high quality, but if provenance is high quality it is a valid type of source. -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Re: [Wikisource-l] Template help needed
Ah okay. Slightly different situation than I was trying to explain. That is just butt ugly. I can think of some tricky ways to do it in a presentation space so it sort of is like that, but all ultimately pointless for main namespace. I would simply move it forward a page and add a about why in the footer of both pages. Ultimately that is a typesetting matter, not the author's intent, so why waste time going picture perfect. -- billinghurst On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 1:50 AM, Ankry wrote: > See footnotes 15 & 16: > > footnote 15 starts on page 16 and continues on 17 > footnote 16 is referenced at page 16, so it starts as empty footnote on > page 16 also and continues on 17 (full footnote text there) > > If you can suggest another solution, I will be intrigued. > > Ankry > >> I don't see *two* footnotes start and continue from the one page, I >> just see one footnote start on 18 to19, and another start on 19 to 20. >> I don't see see two footnotes continue start on 18 or 19 and both >> continue to subsequent pages. >> >> -- billinghurst >> >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Ankry wrote: >>> Billinghurst wrote: To note that you can use multiple versions of if the reference carries on. Also to note that you cannot use numbers in the ref name, the extension doesn't play, so at enWS we would usually do something like where it is the initial page and continue it. I have never seen two footnotes start and continue from the same page, so it is pretty safe. >>> >>> It happens. See >>> >>> https://pl.wikisource.org/wiki/Strona:Cesarz_Juljan_Apostata_i_jego_satyra_Symposion.djvu/16 >>> >>> https://pl.wikisource.org/wiki/Strona:Cesarz_Juljan_Apostata_i_jego_satyra_Symposion.djvu/17 >>> >>> Ankry >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Wikisource-l mailing list >>> Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >> >> ___ >> Wikisource-l mailing list >> Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >> > > > > ___ > Wikisource-l mailing list > Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l ___ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Re: [Wikisource-l] Template help needed
2016-01-18 15:50 GMT+01:00 Ankry : > See footnotes 15 & 16: > > footnote 15 starts on page 16 and continues on 17 > footnote 16 is referenced at page 16, so it starts as empty footnote on > page 16 also and continues on 17 (full footnote text there) > > If you can suggest another solution, I will be intrigued. > > Ankry Oo, that's very « exotic » (at first I didn't see it). Easy, solid and reliable but a bit bad solution : just put the footnote 16 entirely on the page 16. More difficult and probably still a bad solution, using noinclude balise on page 16 for footnote 16 and onlyinclude balise on page 17 for a duplicated footnote 16. Cdlt, ~nicolas ___ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Re: [Wikisource-l] Template help needed
See footnotes 15 & 16: footnote 15 starts on page 16 and continues on 17 footnote 16 is referenced at page 16, so it starts as empty footnote on page 16 also and continues on 17 (full footnote text there) If you can suggest another solution, I will be intrigued. Ankry > I don't see *two* footnotes start and continue from the one page, I > just see one footnote start on 18 to19, and another start on 19 to 20. > I don't see see two footnotes continue start on 18 or 19 and both > continue to subsequent pages. > > -- billinghurst > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Ankry wrote: >> Billinghurst wrote: >>> To note that you can use multiple versions of if the >>> reference carries on. Also to note that you cannot use numbers in the >>> ref name, the extension doesn't play, so at enWS we would usually do >>> something like where it is the initial page and >>> continue it. I have never seen two footnotes start and continue from >>> the same page, so it is pretty safe. >> >> It happens. See >> >> https://pl.wikisource.org/wiki/Strona:Cesarz_Juljan_Apostata_i_jego_satyra_Symposion.djvu/16 >> >> https://pl.wikisource.org/wiki/Strona:Cesarz_Juljan_Apostata_i_jego_satyra_Symposion.djvu/17 >> >> Ankry >> >> >> ___ >> Wikisource-l mailing list >> Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l > > ___ > Wikisource-l mailing list > Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l > ___ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Re: [Wikisource-l] Template help needed
I don't see *two* footnotes start and continue from the one page, I just see one footnote start on 18 to19, and another start on 19 to 20. I don't see see two footnotes continue start on 18 or 19 and both continue to subsequent pages. -- billinghurst On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Ankry wrote: > Billinghurst wrote: >> To note that you can use multiple versions of if the >> reference carries on. Also to note that you cannot use numbers in the >> ref name, the extension doesn't play, so at enWS we would usually do >> something like where it is the initial page and >> continue it. I have never seen two footnotes start and continue from >> the same page, so it is pretty safe. > > It happens. See > > https://pl.wikisource.org/wiki/Strona:Cesarz_Juljan_Apostata_i_jego_satyra_Symposion.djvu/16 > > https://pl.wikisource.org/wiki/Strona:Cesarz_Juljan_Apostata_i_jego_satyra_Symposion.djvu/17 > > Ankry > > > ___ > Wikisource-l mailing list > Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l ___ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Re: [Wikisource-l] Template help needed
Billinghurst wrote: > To note that you can use multiple versions of if the > reference carries on. Also to note that you cannot use numbers in the > ref name, the extension doesn't play, so at enWS we would usually do > something like where it is the initial page and > continue it. I have never seen two footnotes start and continue from > the same page, so it is pretty safe. It happens. See https://pl.wikisource.org/wiki/Strona:Cesarz_Juljan_Apostata_i_jego_satyra_Symposion.djvu/16 https://pl.wikisource.org/wiki/Strona:Cesarz_Juljan_Apostata_i_jego_satyra_Symposion.djvu/17 Ankry ___ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Re: [Wikisource-l] Template help needed
Great. Thanks for the link. :-) Regards, Bodhisattwa ___ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Re: [Wikisource-l] Template help needed
English Wikisource has documentation too. See https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Help:Footnotes_and_endnotes To note that you can use multiple versions of if the reference carries on. Also to note that you cannot use numbers in the ref name, the extension doesn't play, so at enWS we would usually do something like where it is the initial page and continue it. I have never seen two footnotes start and continue from the same page, so it is pretty safe. -- Billinghurst On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 6:37 PM, Ankry wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I need a template solution for the following proof-reading problem I faced >> in Bengali Wikisource. >> >> There is a reference in Page 1 which is continued in Page 2. I have used >> the following code in Page 1:- >> >> Text of Page 1 reference and text of Page 2 >> reference >> >> It was okay while proof-reading, but when it was transcluded in mainspace, >> its not working. There the text of Page 2 reference is not shown. >> >> Can anyone help me with a solution? Do we need some more templates? >> Thanks. > > This is supported by cite extention internally. Just use: > ... on the following page(s), as described > here: > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite#Merging_two_texts_into_a_single_reference > > Ankry > > > ___ > Wikisource-l mailing list > Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l ___ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Re: [Wikisource-l] Template help needed
Hi Ankry, It really helped. Problem solved. Thanks a lot, Bodhisattwa On 18 January 2016 at 13:07, Ankry wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I need a template solution for the following proof-reading problem I > faced > > in Bengali Wikisource. > > > > There is a reference in Page 1 which is continued in Page 2. I have used > > the following code in Page 1:- > > > > Text of Page 1 reference and text of Page 2 > > reference > > > > It was okay while proof-reading, but when it was transcluded in > mainspace, > > its not working. There the text of Page 2 reference is not shown. > > > > Can anyone help me with a solution? Do we need some more templates? > > Thanks. > > This is supported by cite extention internally. Just use: > ... on the following page(s), as described > here: > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite#Merging_two_texts_into_a_single_reference > > Ankry > > > ___ > Wikisource-l mailing list > Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l > -- Bodhisattwa Mandal Administrator, Bengali Wikipedia ''Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge.'' ___ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
