[Wikisource-l] Looking for volonteers in Tech Ambassadors and Tech Translators roles

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Hi everyone,

The sum up is in the title, and you will find more information in the 
exchanges bellow. :)


Cheers!

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Sujet : Re: Mathieu, I bet you remember fondly this past WMCon as I do.
Date :  Fri, 4 May 2018 15:02:52 +0200
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Pour :  mathieu stumpf guntz <psychosl...@culture-libre.org>



Thanks!

This is really appreciated.
In particular I'd welcome more people from the Wikisources, for example :)

E.

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:00 AM, mathieu stumpf guntz 
<psychosl...@culture-libre.org <mailto:psychosl...@culture-libre.org>> 
wrote:


   Hi Erica,

   Thank you for this message. I will forward the message in local
   communities to see if I can find more people interested and let you
   know corresponding feedback.

   Cheers


   Le 02/05/2018 à 17:43, Erica Litrenta a écrit :

Hey!
It was nice stumbling upon you at several sessions and hearing
your perspectives.
I would be glad to assist if you have anything that we discussed
at the conference that you'd like to follow-up about (or to put
you in contact with whomever may be able to help best).

To help you keep your communities in our radars:
as you may recall from a comment I made in one of those sessions,
my team is trying to *support Tech Ambassadors and Tech
Translators* become more active and self-supporting communities.
We take the Strategy Direction seriously when it's telling us that
several underrepresented communities deserve more attention and
support, so we need to identify *a few key community members* that
we can rely on to keep the community up to date with whatever is
happening in Wikimedia's technical world, and that can help us
identify and surface local issues that need fixing. You are
already part of the solution, as I said! but we surely need more help.

Can you introduce us to someone else who should also be joining
these efforts? Will you make sure that the wikis and the languages
that matter to you are all covered ASAP, now that actual work is
about to start?

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/Ambassadors/List
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/Ambassadors/List>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/Translators/List
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/Translators/List>

Thanks in advance for what you will do, and don't hesitate to ask
further questions.
Best regards from Italy.

-- 
Erica Litrenta

Manager, Community Liaisons
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Elitre_(WMF)
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Do we have tools for offline collaboration?

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Good to know. I consulted the website of ABBYY and it say one option is 
an "Open license for local use on workstations", but I guess it's not a 
FLOSS license, unfortunately.


By the way, what is the state of the affair regarding Indic languages?

Do we have a central page documenting existing OCR pipeline used by the 
wikisource community?


What should I say to a contributor which come to me asking "I have this 
old PD book in my personnal library that I would like to digitalize, 
share and proofread in Wikisource, where should I start?". Do we have an 
online service, for example on tool labs, which enable to either upload 
or simply input url of a facsimile and that launch the OCR for example 
backed on tesseract?


Shouldn't we update our roadmap[1], or is there a more up to date 
document elsewhere?


[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_roadmap


Le 13/04/2018 à 08:28, Nahum Wengrov a écrit :
I use ABBYY Finereader, don't remember the exact version (probably 12 
or 11). I bought it a few years ago and it works perfectly for my 
language (Hebrew).


On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 2:22 AM, mathieu stumpf guntz 
<psychosl...@culture-libre.org <mailto:psychosl...@culture-libre.org>> 
wrote:


Thank you Nahum,

Could you indicate which OCR solution you are using?


Le 26/03/2018 à 17:27, Nahum Wengrov a écrit :

I frequently work offline on he.wikisource. I download the entire
pdf file from commons to my hard drive, and OCR the page I need
myself. One can use the OCR of wikisource and download the text
too, I guess, page by page. Then I proof the text in a Word
document, open to the lower half of my screen, with the pdf open
on the upper half of the screen, where I go to the page I need
with acrobat reader, and scroll both windows down or up as needed.

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:21 AM, mathieu stumpf guntz
<psychosl...@culture-libre.org
<mailto:psychosl...@culture-libre.org>> wrote:

Le 24/03/2018 à 16:22, billinghurst a écrit :

Though that would defeat the purpose of online proofreading
with account verification. Some of the true value of our
online process is that contribution builds a level of trust
and knowledge and that is reflected in both our patrolling
and the allocation of autopatrolled status.

How providing tools to make batch work offline would
interfere in anyway with that? Once the work is done, it can
be uploaded to Wikisource with whichever account the user want.

Actually, to my mind, the main benefit of the online aspect
is the peer to peer production model. Also there is no need
of a central node carrying accounts to take into account the
trust given to a particular contributor. There is digital
signature technologies such as gpg for example. Having a
central node with a web interface just makes things easier
for most users, it doesn't improve the trustability of the
environment. On the contrary, with a single point of failure,
we actually rely on a weaker solution on this regard.


 Also how would you have access to templates, and components
like that from off-line?

Well, that just show how innefecient are this tools to
continue to contribute while being offline. It's allways
possible to install Mediawiki and download required
templates, but currently this process seems way to
complicated, doesn't it.



Also we generally cannot download the images separately as
that is usually part of the later clean-up where people have
the technical skills.

I'm afraid the term "image" misguided your answer. It's seems
you interpreted that as picture elements from files, while I
was talking about this files themselves.


So yes, there is the capacity to have the text and proofread
the text, that actual checking the text against the image is
not the sole component of proofreading, and further it would
not be at all helpful for validation.

There is nothing magic about working directly in a browser.
People do download and upload all the required material
anyway, but on a page per page base. The result is just as
valid as it is done when transactions are operated on a file
repository level.

Cheers

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Do we have tools for offline collaboration?

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Thank you Nahum,

Could you indicate which OCR solution you are using?


Le 26/03/2018 à 17:27, Nahum Wengrov a écrit :
I frequently work offline on he.wikisource. I download the entire pdf 
file from commons to my hard drive, and OCR the page I need myself. 
One can use the OCR of wikisource and download the text too, I guess, 
page by page. Then I proof the text in a Word document, open to the 
lower half of my screen, with the pdf open on the upper half of the 
screen, where I go to the page I need with acrobat reader, and scroll 
both windows down or up as needed.


On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:21 AM, mathieu stumpf guntz 
<psychosl...@culture-libre.org <mailto:psychosl...@culture-libre.org>> 
wrote:


Le 24/03/2018 à 16:22, billinghurst a écrit :

Though that would defeat the purpose of online proofreading with
account verification. Some of the true value of our online
process is that contribution builds a level of trust and
knowledge and that is reflected in both our patrolling and the
allocation of autopatrolled status.

How providing tools to make batch work offline would interfere in
anyway with that? Once the work is done, it can be uploaded to
Wikisource with whichever account the user want.

Actually, to my mind, the main benefit of the online aspect is the
peer to peer production model. Also there is no need of a central
node carrying accounts to take into account the trust given to a
particular contributor. There is digital signature technologies
such as gpg for example. Having a central node with a web
interface just makes things easier for most users, it doesn't
improve the trustability of the environment. On the contrary, with
a single point of failure, we actually rely on a weaker solution
on this regard.


 Also how would you have access to templates, and components like
that from off-line?

Well, that just show how innefecient are this tools to continue to
contribute while being offline. It's allways possible to install
Mediawiki and download required templates, but currently this
process seems way to complicated, doesn't it.



Also we generally cannot download the images separately as that
is usually part of the later clean-up where people have the
technical skills.

I'm afraid the term "image" misguided your answer. It's seems you
interpreted that as picture elements from files, while I was
talking about this files themselves.


So yes, there is the capacity to have the text and proofread the
text, that actual checking the text against the image is not the
sole component of proofreading, and further it would not be at
all helpful for validation.

There is nothing magic about working directly in a browser. People
do download and upload all the required material anyway, but on a
page per page base. The result is just as valid as it is done when
transactions are operated on a file repository level.

Cheers

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Do we have tools for offline collaboration?

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Le 24/03/2018 à 16:22, billinghurst a écrit :
Though that would defeat the purpose of online proofreading with 
account verification. Some of the true value of our online process is 
that contribution builds a level of trust and knowledge and that is 
reflected in both our patrolling and the allocation of autopatrolled 
status.
How providing tools to make batch work offline would interfere in anyway 
with that? Once the work is done, it can be uploaded to Wikisource with 
whichever account the user want.


Actually, to my mind, the main benefit of the online aspect is the peer 
to peer production model. Also there is no need of a central node 
carrying accounts to take into account the trust given to a particular 
contributor. There is digital signature technologies such as gpg for 
example. Having a central node with a web interface just makes things 
easier for most users, it doesn't improve the trustability of the 
environment. On the contrary, with a single point of failure, we 
actually rely on a weaker solution on this regard.


 Also how would you have access to templates, and components like that 
from off-line?
Well, that just show how innefecient are this tools to continue to 
contribute while being offline. It's allways possible to install 
Mediawiki and download required templates, but currently this process 
seems way to complicated, doesn't it.




Also we generally cannot download the images separately as that is 
usually part of the later clean-up where people have the technical skills.
I'm afraid the term "image" misguided your answer. It's seems you 
interpreted that as picture elements from files, while I was talking 
about this files themselves.


So yes, there is the capacity to have the text and proofread the text, 
that actual checking the text against the image is not the sole 
component of proofreading, and further it would not be at all helpful 
for validation.
There is nothing magic about working directly in a browser. People do 
download and upload all the required material anyway, but on a page per 
page base. The result is just as valid as it is done when transactions 
are operated on a file repository level.


Cheers
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[Wikisource-l] 3, 500 Occult Manuscripts Will Be Digitized & Made Freely Available Online, Thanks to Da Vinci Code Author Dan Brown

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

In case you didn't already red about it: 
http://www.openculture.com/2017/12/3500-occult-manuscripts-will-be-digitized-made-freely-available-online.html


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Re: [Wikisource-l] wavy line

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

You might use a simple wavy dash : 〰, with as many as you want . 
Creating a template like {{wavy-dash|repeat=80}} should be too 
difficult. Will you need help for that, if this solution is fine for you?



Le 04/01/2018 à 17:56, balaji a écrit :

Hello all,
 For a book I am proof reading there is a requirement to create wavy 
line. The link for the page is https://ta.wikisource.org/s/6du


The wavy line is appearing in many pages.

Is there any template to create this effect.?

Regards,
J. Balaji.
(User:Balajijagadesh)


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Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018 - Registration closes in one month!

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

I support this application. Would Andrea or Nicolas mind about that? 
Could you try to go there with an other hat?


Cheers


Le 18/12/2017 à 16:46, balaji a écrit :

Hi all,
     Thanks for starting this post. I have been contributing in 
'Tamil' wikisource (ta.ws <http://ta.ws>) for more than a year with 
admin rights. It sounds the conference would be interesting as lot of 
discussions going to take place. I would be available in April for the 
conference. Kindly consider my application for the conference.


Thanks and regards,
J. Balaji
(User:Balajijagadesh)

On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 7:59 AM, Bodhisattwa Mandal 
<bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com <mailto:bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hi,

Thank you for considering me, but I won't be able to attend the
conference this year. Also, I think that I am not at all the
suitable person to represent the Wikisource User Group. The best
Wikisourcers are there leading the Wikisource community globally
and fighting for language equity and I have huge respect to all of
them. IMO, it would be best for the project if these awesome
Wikimedians represent the UG in the conference.

Jayanta Nath will be representing West Bengal Wikimedians User
Group in the conference officially and he will be there
unofficially for Bengali and other Indic Wikisource projects too.
So, as far as non-Western Wikisource is concerned, there will be
at least one representative, for sure. \o/

Regards,

Bodhisattwa

On 17 December 2017 at 03:06, Jayanta Nath <jayanta...@gmail.com
<mailto:jayanta...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If Bodhi will come, that will be pleasure for me. I am coming.
I am representing on behalf of WBG , Wikisource, Bengali
Wikisource, Indic Wikisoure.

Jayanta

On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 3:01 AM, Thomas Pellissier Tanon
<tho...@pellissier-tanon.fr
<mailto:tho...@pellissier-tanon.fr>> wrote:

> Me and Tpt were there last year.

The two representatives of the user group last year where
Ernest fr.wikisource for the partnership track and Andrea
for the strategy track. I was part of the "Invitees for
the Movement Strategy Track", mostly talking/thinking
about Wikisource during the strategy sessions but not a
formal representative of the UG.

> If you can both go again that would be great.

I am probably not the best person to talk with people so I
believe it would be much better fo the user group to send
someone else that would represent the group better. More
it would be nice to get new Wikisource people, to attend
global events (I already have plenty of occasions to
attend such events with my technical hat).
So, I would be in favour to have one person used to such
events (like Nicolas, Andrea or Bodhisattwa) and one new
person who may be interested by the learning or
partnership tracks.

> In any case I would think interesting to have
Bodhisattwa Mandal joining the party: that would allow to
also give more voice to non-western communities.

Big +1 from a person outside of the en, fr, de, it
communities.

Cheers,

Thomas

> Le 16 déc. 2017 à 12:00, Federico Leva (Nemo)
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>
> mathieu stumpf guntz, 15/12/2017 22:33:
>> I just wanted to make sure there will be some
wikisourcerers at this event. Is that so?
>
> If one of the two designated WMIT board members falls
sick I might have to go, otherwise I won't.
>
> The conference is very plethoric nowadays, so I see that
2 persons can be sent by multiple other user groups having
some overlap with Wikisorcerers:
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Digitization_User_Group
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Digitization_User_Group>
>

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary/Tremendous_Wiktionary_User_Group

<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary/Tremendous_Wiktionary_User_Group>
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Florida_Librarians_of_Wikipedia
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018 - Registration closes in one month!

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Le 17/12/2017 à 12:17, Nicolas VIGNERON a écrit :

Hi all,

Good to see that a lot of people will be there!

I'm available and I can go to Berlin in April (and I can talk about 
'breton', my minority and almost dead language, does it count as 
"non-Western"? :P) if the group agrees.
At least it counts as a minority language I guess. All the more, as said 
Bodhisattwa, Jayanta can be at least one voice for the non-Western. 
Admittedly it's not much but I don't know were to find statistic about 
regional repetitiveness for that kind of event. On a side note, I 
already checked that there would be some people able to talk in the name 
of ELISo (Esperanto kaj LIbera Scio).



So how should we decide?
Should we vote somewhere (on meta?) or could we do something more 
simple like: Andrea and I are going if there is no opposition in seven 
days? (the deadline is coming fast and I'll be busy in the coming days)
For me Andrea and yourself are fine. If the deadline is to close, I'm 
fine with taking this decision in a "narrow comittee". Afterall the list 
is open and accessible for anyone wanting to join.


But in the future it would be probably better from a transparency point 
of view to inform more broadly the community through in-wiki mass 
message and a consensual decision on Meta or something like that. 
Particularly, I agree with Thomas with the importance of integrating new 
comers.


Cheers.


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Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018 - Registration closes in one month!

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Le 15/12/2017 à 22:38, Andrea Zanni a écrit :

Me and Tpt were there last year,
and I'm available if the User Group is ok with that, but maybe others 
would like to go

representing the WCUG?
If you can both go again that would be great. Otherwise maybe Nicolas 
Vigneron and  Federico Leva might represent the WCUG.


In any case I would think interesting to have Bodhisattwa Mandal joining 
the party: that would allow to also give more voice to non-western 
communities.


Cheers



The Conference is a matter of talking, talking, talking with a lot of 
people,

and convincing Sam's boss to let him work for Wikisource ;-)

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 9:33 PM, mathieu stumpf guntz 
<psychosl...@culture-libre.org <mailto:psychosl...@culture-libre.org>> 
wrote:


Hi everybody,

I just wanted to make sure there will be some wikisourcerers at
this event. Is that so?



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Dear Wikimedians,

Thanks to those of you who have already registered for the Wikimedia
Conference 2018 – we are already very excited to host the conference
from April 20 to April 22, 2018 in Berlin!

== Registration information ==

You have not registered for the conference yet? Your affiliation is
eligible [1] to attend the conference and you have been selected to
represent your affiliation in Berlin? Then please be kindly reminded
to register until Monday, January 15, 2018. To register for the
conference, please find the link to the registration form below. [2]

== Holiday break of the organizing team ==

In view of the upcoming holidays, we would like to inform you that the
WMCON18 organizing team will be out of the office from December 22,
2017 until January 3, 2018.

If you need assistance or have any questions, we recommend you to
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== Visa information ==

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Further information on the visa process and assistance can be found on 
Meta. [3]

Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Best regards,

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[Wikisource-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018 - Registration closes in one month!

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Hi everybody,

I just wanted to make sure there will be some wikisourcerers at this 
event. Is that so?




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Dear Wikimedians,

Thanks to those of you who have already registered for the Wikimedia
Conference 2018 – we are already very excited to host the conference
from April 20 to April 22, 2018 in Berlin!

== Registration information ==

You have not registered for the conference yet? Your affiliation is
eligible [1] to attend the conference and you have been selected to
represent your affiliation in Berlin? Then please be kindly reminded
to register until Monday, January 15, 2018. To register for the
conference, please find the link to the registration form below. [2]

== Holiday break of the organizing team ==

In view of the upcoming holidays, we would like to inform you that the
WMCON18 organizing team will be out of the office from December 22,
2017 until January 3, 2018.

If you need assistance or have any questions, we recommend you to
contact us before December 22. Otherwise, we will respond to your
emails as soon as possible upon our return.

== Visa information ==

We strongly advise all those of you who need a visa to register until
Monday, December 18, 2017.

We will do our best to send the documents (letter of invitation,
foreign travel health insurance, copy of registration of association
of WMDE) by December 22, 2017, which are needed for the visa
application process, to everyone, who registers until Monday, December
18, 2017. Should you register after this date, we will prepare and
send the documents to you beginning of January.

Further information on the visa process and assistance can be found on Meta. [3]

Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Best regards,

Daniela & Michelle on behalf of the organizing team
Wikimedia Deutschland
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Re: [Wikisource-l] IA Upload fixes

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Le 04/12/2017 à 12:41, ankry.wiki a écrit :

As published in 1914 it is PD in US.

Doesn't that apply only to books published in US?
Its copyright status in Gernany (published in Dresden) is probably 
unclear, so it should not be uploaded to Commons.
Its copyright status in Europe depends on Charlotte vital records, but 
so far I was not able to find any related data, especially her death 
date. If anyone have ideas about where I might found them, I open to 
suggestions.
It can be uploaded locally to oldwikisource and, likely, to some other 
wikis that recognize US copyright status only.

Good to know.

Ankry
W dniu 2017-12-03 21:40:20 użytkownik mathieu stumpf guntz 
<psychosl...@culture-libre.org> napisał:


No. I don't have a book I would like to try it in mind, and I
guess it would be pointless to import an random book on which I
don't plane to work, wouldn't it?

Right I would have been interested to find works of Charlotte
Pulvers <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Pulvers>,
especially Elzasaj Legendoj
<https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elzasaj_Legendoj>, but actually I'm
not even completely sure the book is in public domain as I didn't
found her vital records.

Cheers


Le 03/12/2017 à 01:47, Sam Wilson a écrit :

I agree there might be some work to do at some future point
when we're trying to import mixed-media works into Wikisource,
but I'm afraid for now the sole purpose of ia-upload is to
convert IA scans of books into DjVus. MP3s or any other
non-text work cannot be converted with this tool.
Have you tried using it? Did you notice any problems?
— Sam.
On Sun, 3 Dec 2017, at 06:03 AM, mathieu stumpf guntz wrote:

Le 29/11/2017 à 08:47, Sam Wilson a écrit :

* Attempts to use the tool on items that don't have DjVu, PDF, 
or JP2
Zip files will now fail. I'm not sure what people who were 
attempting to
make DjVus of MP3s were thinking, but they'll get a nicer error 
message
now.

Apart from the file format, which was under some patent
issues until last year and should be soon be available to
Commons (if not yet), what would be the problem with
uploading the file to Commons? All the more, some books
might have sound component. My daughter have a whole
library of that kind. She also have plenty of book with
tactile data which often make me wonder how we would
integrate such a book in Wikisource, as I'm not aware of
any technology to render that kind of data linked to the
material texture. Defining a file format to store that
kind of data would be surely the easy part, all the more
when "digital texture" is a topic already extensively
covered in the literature for 3D rendering purpose.
Just sharing some thoughts…

I dare say I'm broken something along the way, so do keep an 
eye out for
weirdnesses and let me know.

Thanks,
sam.

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Re: [Wikisource-l] IA Upload fixes

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Le 29/11/2017 à 08:47, Sam Wilson a écrit :

* Attempts to use the tool on items that don't have DjVu, PDF, or JP2
Zip files will now fail. I'm not sure what people who were attempting to
make DjVus of MP3s were thinking, but they'll get a nicer error message
now.
Apart from the file format, which was under some patent issues until 
last year and should be soon be available to Commons (if not yet), what 
would be the problem with uploading the file to Commons? All the more, 
some books might have sound component. My daughter have a whole library 
of that kind. She also have plenty of book with tactile data which often 
make me wonder how we would integrate such a book in Wikisource, as I'm 
not aware of any technology to render that kind of data linked to the 
material texture. Defining a file format to store that kind of data 
would be surely the easy part, all the more when "digital texture" is a 
topic already extensively covered in the literature for 3D rendering 
purpose.


Just sharing some thoughts…


I dare say I'm broken something along the way, so do keep an eye out for
weirdnesses and let me know.

Thanks,
sam.

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Hangout session

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Would it possible to do it through a FLOSS solution like jitsi[1], or at 
least try?


Cheers

[1] https://jitsi.org/


Le 01/11/2017 à 10:53, Andrea Zanni a écrit :

I won't be able to attend this Saturday, but please do it ;-)

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 1:03 AM, Sam Wilson > wrote:


Great idea! I'm up for this Saturday.


On Wed, 1 Nov 2017, at 03:03 AM, Nicolas VIGNERON wrote:

Hi everyone,
From January to April of this year, we had hangout session to
talk more directly about Wikisource (see
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group#2017

for the notes of these sessions).

Among subjects that can be discuss:
- Wikisource and Wikidata (and some infos about the WikidataCon
in Berlin last weekend)
- a second Wikisource conference in 2018 ?
- various issues or accomplishments you want to share or need
help from others
- the Wikisource Community User Group

What do you think of doing this again? Who would be interested to
join? (it was during week-end - Saturday or Sunday - afternoon to
allow people from all other the globe to join in, I suggest
Saturday 4 from 14:00 UTC to 15:00 UTC

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=November+Wikisource+Hangout=2017-11-04T14:00:00

).

Cdlt, ~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] quickstatements for missing editions

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Hey everyone,

I seize the opportunity of this planed import to make you aware that I 
started a project research on Wikiversity about Wikidata and its license :


https://fr.wikiversity.org/wiki/Recherche:La_licence_CC-0_de_Wikidata,_origine_du_choix,_enjeux,_et_prospections_sur_les_aspects_de_gouvernance_communautaire_et_d%E2%80%99%C3%A9quit%C3%A9_contributive

Admittedly, a driving force behind the launch of this project is an 
intuitive aversion against CC0, and the will of the Wikidata team to 
launch their lexicological solution with, without, or even against 
Wiktionary communities. But as intuition is never as useful as when 
feeding hypotheses of rational inquiry whose conclusions might reject 
it, I thought preferable to make such a research project so I could 
stand on a firmer vision of implications of this choice.


Also, whatever one might ethically feel about this topic is one thing, 
legal issues is a really different matter. So far, I have didn't found 
any evidence of a serious inquiry of letting people make mass import of 
data within Wikidata. But hopefully I'll soon be given links showing 
such an inquiry was indeed performed. Not requiring source and evidence 
of a free license covering imported data is a great way to put at risk 
of massive legal infraction, not only the Wikidata project, but anyone 
who reuse its data.


I welcome any source that you might judge valuable for the research 
project evoked above. That is anything speaking about how the license 
was chose, opinion of the community regarding this choice, ins and outs 
of the reuse ability, what notable partnership was ease or prevented due 
to the license, how external reusers do or do not give back through one 
form (better curated or enlarged set of data), or an other (technical 
advises, institutional promotion, funds…), and anything you think worth 
mentioning regarding Wikidata license. It would be kind to check it is 
not already in the list of sources I fetched so far, see 
https://fr.wikiversity.org/wiki/Recherche:La_licence_CC-0_de_Wikidata,_origine_du_choix,_enjeux,_et_prospections_sur_les_aspects_de_gouvernance_communautaire_et_d%E2%80%99%C3%A9quit%C3%A9_contributive/Wikidata_:_les_origines_du_choix_de_CC-0#Notes_et_r.C3.A9ferences


Also let me know if you would be interested with a translation. So far 
I'm writing it in my native language to hasten the draft outcome and I 
don't necessarily expect huge interest for the subject beyond myself. 
But if people show interest, or even would like to contribute, I can 
switch to Esperanto, or even the less likely demand of an English 
version. ;)


Inquirely,
psychoslave


Le 31/10/2017 à 16:14, Thomas Pellissier Tanon a écrit :

Hello Sam,

Thank you for this nice feature!

I have created a few months ago a prototype of Wikisource to Wikidata 
importation tool for the French Wikisource based on the schema.org annotation I 
have added to the main header template (I definitely think we should move from 
our custom microformat to this schema.org markup that could be much more 
structured). It's not yet ready but I plan to move it forward in the coming 
weeks. A beginning of frontend to add to your Wikidata common.js is here: 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Tpt/ws2wd.js
We should probably find a way to merge the two projects.

Cheers,

Thomas


Le 31 oct. 2017 à 15:10, Nicolas VIGNERON  a écrit :

2017-10-31 13:16 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell :
Sorry, I am much more of a Wikidatan than a Wikisourcerer! I was referring to 
items like this one
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21125368

No need to be sorry, that is actually a good question and this example is even 
better (I totally forgot this kind of case).

For now, this is probably better to deal with it by hands (and I'm not sure 
what this tools can even do for this).

Cdlt, ~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Endorsement of the strategy

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

I don't think the endorsement in itself is of great importance, in the 
sense that it's broad enough to both rise general consensus in the 
community and have no significant commitment consequences (so far, we 
will see what the next phase will come out with).


But showing the existence and activeness of the Wikisource Community 
User Group seems a good idea. Actually I think it makes far more sense 
for thematic groups than for the usual suspect like chapters.


So, as far as I'm concerned, yes it's ok and thank you for doing so.


Le 26/10/2017 à 12:06, Andrea Zanni a écrit :

If it's ok for you, today I will endorse the new Wikimedia strategy[1]
on behalf of the Wikisource Community User Group.
I participated in the early drafting of the strategy (until May-June), 
but later on unfortunately I didn't follow it closely.
I think the new strategy is open enough to be include a lot of what we 
do in Wikisource, and I hope that this will lead to increased support 
from Wikimedia Foundation and Chapters to our project.


Aubrey


[1] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity




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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Strategy

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

That's not goals for the end of fiscal years, but driving target, just 
like having a list of articles every Wikipedia should have. :)



Le 11/04/2017 à 16:36, ankry.wiki a écrit :

W dniu 2017-04-11 14:06:02 użytkownik Nicolas VIGNERON 
 napisał:


2017-04-11 13:17 GMT+02:00 David Starner :

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:46 AM ankry.wiki  wrote:

I doubt we can find 1000 works with PD translations into each Wikisource
language, including Latin and Sanskrit.
It would be hard to find 10. Mostly ancient.

Unlike Wikipedia, we present content that has already been created by somebody.
We are not creating that ourselves.
(except few ws accepting Wikisource translations)

How many Wikisources don't accept user translations? I'd guess that at least
half of them do.

Good question. We should store clearly this information somewhere (on
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19335648 and local pages ?).

We do:
  https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Subdomain_coordination
At least 4 do not allow translations.


It may not be universal, but you'll never know how many of those works

actually have PD translations until you actually search for them. A list can
at least provoke the search.

Exactly.
I can easily find to 10 works in most languages of the planet (The Bible, the
Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Shakespeare, Conan Doyle, Dickens, 
Stevenson,
Verne, some important international treaty and publication from the Vatican ;
it's already a lot more than 10 works available in more than 100 languages)

most != all   (Most Wikisource should have... != All Wikisource should have...)


Speaking of the UN, the UNESCO created the Index Translationum
( http://www.unesco.org/xtrans/bsstatlist.aspx ) that can be helpful here.
Cdlt, ~nicolas
PS: Latin or Sanskrit are not the thoughest challenges, try Breton or Venetian
:P (by the way, the UDHR exist in these 4 languages and 500 more ;) only the
Bible has more translations).

I have intentionally chosen dead languages to point out that "all" should not
be the goal.

Concerning, UDHR, we have unclear copyright status even for Polish translation:
it is not considered to be an official legal act, no "official" translation;
translated by a Foundation which say nothing about copyright. And even,
translations of foreign legal acts are considered copyrighted in Poland
(according to opinions we have).

Translation copyright problems may exist for many translations of Conan Doyle,
Dickens, Stevenson or Verne.
I also doubt we will get a Wikisource translation of "The Posthumous Papers of 
the
Pickwick Club" into eg. Lithuanian (while ltwikisource seems to be like
a single-user project - at least recently).

We can talk about 1000-100 "base" works in, maybe, 5-10 most active Wikisources.

Ankry

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Creating family tree chart while proof reading

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

If you want to use structured html, a nested list (…) are 
probably what makes more sense in term of semantic for a tree. You'll 
need some CSS to make it looks like a tree, but you can easily find 
ready made example like 
http://thecodeplayer.com/walkthrough/css3-family-tree


The only difficulty here, as far as I know, is that it will require 
specific write access to change this CSS. That is, basic user can't edit 
CSS dedicated files, they can only add inline CSS.



Le 11/04/2017 à 16:23, Alex Brollo a écrit :
Look at it as a table, with borders for some cell. It.wikisource uses 
a Template:Cs  (calling a 
Module:Cs ), that makes easy 
to add specific borders to individual cells. A little bit of colspan 
and rowspan, and you'll get an "elastic" and exportable family tree 
chard.


Alex

2017-04-11 15:03 GMT+02:00 balaji >:


Hi all,
   There is one particular book I am proof reading in
Tamil language. There is a page which has a family tree chart. How
to proof read that. The page I am talking about can be found here
https://ta.wikisource.org/s/938 
. In the current format if downloaded as epub of rtf etc., the
structure is not maintained if page size is changed. How this can
be proof read?

Regards,
J.Balaji.

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Strategy

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Hi Nemo,

We may establish a list a the "1000 works that every Wikisource should 
have" (with translation possibly needed).


What metric could we use to define such a list? Maybe reference 
frequency, but it requires statistics whose availability is unknown to me.


Statistically,
psychoslave

Le 29/03/2017 à 08:30, Federico Leva (Nemo) a écrit :
One issue sometimes raised about Wikisource is how we know that we're 
working on the "right" books. Internet Archive is planning to 
textbooks starting from those which are most frequently assigned in 
USA schools:
http://blog.archive.org/2017/03/29/books-donated-for-macarthur-foundation-100change-challenge-from-bookmooch-users/ 



I was surprised to learn a project like OpenSyllabus exists and works, 
I emailed them to ask what it would take to do the same for other 
languages/geographies.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikisource-l] GLAMwiki Coordinators meeting

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Le 19/01/2017 à 16:28, Nicolas VIGNERON a écrit :

Hi everyone,

It was suggested that I should go to GLAMwiki Coordinators meeting [1] 
next month as « the official representative of the Wikisource Group. » 
(apparently, Andrea gave my name, probably because I won't go to 
Berlin :P).


I'll probably go as it's a great opportunity to remind the GLAM what 
wonderful things can be done and offer on Wikisource.
I'm pretty familliar with the global Wikisource dynamics and position 
but If you have specific points you want to focus or examples of 
partnership with GLAM (past, current or planned ; good or bad), don't 
hesitate to share them with me. Any comments or advices are welcome too.


Cdlt, Nicolas Vigneron

[1] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2017_European_GLAMwiki_Coordinators_meeting
I added your name as WMfr attendee, feel free to change the line or 
formatting.



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Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-ambassadors] Your help needed: Community Wishlist Survey 2016

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Le 11/11/2016 à 08:32, Sam Wilson a écrit :
That sounds really interesting! Do you mean as a way for people 
unfamiliar with Wikisource to easily contribute notes and corrections? 
On the face of things, it could perhaps work by storing the notes in a 
the Page_talk namspace and doing some clever thing to display them on 
the Page (and perhaps in main) namespaces.
Sounds a good initial implementation path. Users may also would like to 
make more "personal" text comments, in which case storing them in User 
namespace might be more appropriate.




It seems like it'd be cool to be able to get "typo reports" or 
something, from people who mightn't have any idea of Wikisource other 
than that's where they got an epub.


To rate a page, we currently have the various levels of proofreading 
quality. Is this not sufficient?
Well, at least I would appreciate something more modular. Thinking about 
it, I may just use some categories, and maybe some js or lua to generate 
what I wish.
And does the current Index page overview of all of a book's statuses 
work for you?
That's the same. The thing is, I do like to make restitution as accurate 
to the original page as I can. That's a work which might be done in 
several parallel step. For example page layout, proofreading, and image 
extractions might be in different state of completeness. And for example 
I do like to have a really accurate page reproduction, so even caesura 
is the same in Page namespace, but still render without unnecessary 
dashes in main namespace (example 
<https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Holbach_-_Le_Christianisme_d%C3%A9voil%C3%A9,_1756.djvu/46>). 
But not all contributors have this will. :)



I sometimes wonder if we need another rating, above 'validated', that 
indicates that a whole book has been read through and (hopefully) any 
remaining typos have been found.
My feedback doesn't really suggest a "rating above", but having 
separated rates/tags.




—sam

On Fri, 11 Nov 2016, at 12:27 AM, mathieu stumpf guntz wrote:


Hmm, at the conference I think someone was interested in a feature to 
make comments on texts, like you can make on some word processors for 
example. That may be interesting, but how you render the result might 
be a huge user interface problem. One should be able to choose whom 
comments should be visible…


Otherwise, I would still be happy to have more flexibable way to 
"rate" a page. That is, a page might be text proof readed, but laking 
some css, or a picture should be extracted etc. Having a way to see 
that for all pages in the book: namespace would be fine.


ĝis baldaŭ


Le 10/11/2016 à 06:09, Sam Wilson a écrit :

Thanks Alex :) It's a minor project so far, but I reckon the work you've
been doing on making a better, bigger, more proofreading-focused
interface is really good. Do stick a proposal up!

So far, we've got:

* Add a 'clean' method for side-titles, and side notes to parser
* A spelling- and typo-checking system for proofreading
* Visual Editor menu refresh
* upload text wizard
* Language links in Wikisource for edition items in Wikidata
* Display subpage name in category
* Make Special:IndexPage transcludeable
* Fix Extension:Cite to get rid of foibles

If anyone's got half-formed ideas, I'd encourage you to post something,
or just post to this mailing list, and we can all have a chat about it.
:)

—sam


On Wed, 9 Nov 2016, at 04:50 PM, Alex Brollo wrote:


I too could add *some* proposals but the first one could be a deep revision of nsPage 
edit interface to got the goal "fixed tools, almost full screen scrolling text & 
image". In the meantime, I'm go on testing FullScreenEditing.js by Sam, that presently 
is an excellent, running  step approximating such a goal.

Alex

2016-11-09 1:03 GMT+01:00 Sam Wilson<s...@samwilson.id.au> 
<mailto:s...@samwilson.id.au>:


__
Huzza for Wikisource; we've currently got more proposals than any of the other 
categories (not that it's a competition, but still...).

@Micru: this whole topic of how to represent bibliographic data in WD and 
properly link it in Wikisource is great! I'm looking forward to helping. :-)


—sam



On Tue, 8 Nov 2016, at 10:08 PM, David Cuenca Tudela wrote:


Hi Thomas,
thanks for bringing that up! I wrote a proposal to finish the work retrieving 
the language links from several editions and represent them in wikisource as 
language links.

To write or vote exiting Wikisource proposals, the link is:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2016_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Categories/Wikisource
Cheers,
Micru

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Thomas PT<thoma...@hotmail.fr> 
<mailto:thoma...@hotmail.fr>  wrote:


Hello everyone,

The Wikimedia Foundation Community Tech team has launched a new "Community Wishlist 
Survey".
Last year survey allowed us to get WMF staff time to work on using Google OCR 
in Wikisource that allowed some Indian langua

Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-ambassadors] Your help needed: Community Wishlist Survey 2016

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Hmm, at the conference I think someone was interested in a feature to 
make comments on texts, like you can make on some word processors for 
example. That may be interesting, but how you render the result might be 
a huge user interface problem. One should be able to choose whom 
comments should be visible…


Otherwise, I would still be happy to have more flexibable way to "rate" 
a page. That is, a page might be text proof readed, but laking some css, 
or a picture should be extracted etc. Having a way to see that for all 
pages in the book: namespace would be fine.


ĝis baldaŭ


Le 10/11/2016 à 06:09, Sam Wilson a écrit :

Thanks Alex :) It's a minor project so far, but I reckon the work you've
been doing on making a better, bigger, more proofreading-focused
interface is really good. Do stick a proposal up!

So far, we've got:

* Add a 'clean' method for side-titles, and side notes to parser
* A spelling- and typo-checking system for proofreading
* Visual Editor menu refresh
* upload text wizard
* Language links in Wikisource for edition items in Wikidata
* Display subpage name in category
* Make Special:IndexPage transcludeable
* Fix Extension:Cite to get rid of foibles

If anyone's got half-formed ideas, I'd encourage you to post something,
or just post to this mailing list, and we can all have a chat about it.
:)

—sam


On Wed, 9 Nov 2016, at 04:50 PM, Alex Brollo wrote:

I too could add *some* proposals but the first one could be a deep revision of nsPage 
edit interface to got the goal "fixed tools, almost full screen scrolling text & 
image". In the meantime, I'm go on testing FullScreenEditing.js by Sam, that presently 
is an excellent, running  step approximating such a goal.

Alex

2016-11-09 1:03 GMT+01:00 Sam Wilson :

__
Huzza for Wikisource; we've currently got more proposals than any of the other 
categories (not that it's a competition, but still...).

@Micru: this whole topic of how to represent bibliographic data in WD and 
properly link it in Wikisource is great! I'm looking forward to helping. :-)


—sam



On Tue, 8 Nov 2016, at 10:08 PM, David Cuenca Tudela wrote:

Hi Thomas,
thanks for bringing that up! I wrote a proposal to finish the work retrieving 
the language links from several editions and represent them in wikisource as 
language links.

To write or vote exiting Wikisource proposals, the link is:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2016_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Categories/Wikisource
Cheers,
Micru

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Thomas PT  wrote:

Hello everyone,

The Wikimedia Foundation Community Tech team has launched a new "Community Wishlist 
Survey".
Last year survey allowed us to get WMF staff time to work on using Google OCR 
in Wikisource that allowed some Indian languages Wikisources to raise and on 
VisualEditor support.

Please, take time to submit new wishes and comment them. It could be simple 
things (e.g. a new gadget for a specific workflow) or very complicated ones 
(e.g. native TEI support).

Cheers,

Thomas



Début du message réexpédié :

*De: *Johan Jönsson 
*Objet: **[Wikitech-ambassadors] Your help needed: Community Wishlist Survey 
2016*
*Date: *7 novembre 2016 à 20:26:21 UTC+1
*À: *Wikitech Ambassadors 
*Répondre à: *Coordination of technology deployments across languages/projects 


Hi everyone,

Last year, the Community Tech team did a survey for a community wishlist to 
decide what we shoudl be working on throughout the year. Since it's useful to 
have a list of tasks from the Wikimedia communities, it's also been used by 
other developers,

  been the focus of Wikimedia hackathons and so on. In short, I think it
  matters.

Now we're doing the process again.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2016_Community_Wishlist_Survey

If you'd feel like spreading this in your communities, it would be much 
appreciated.

*) This is when you can suggest things. This phase will last from 7 November to 
20 November.
*) Editors who are not comfortable writing in English can write proposals in 
their language.
*) Voting will take place 28 November to 12 December.

Thanks,

//Johan Jönsson
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Eastern Punjabi Wikisource

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Awesome! Congratulation for having realised this great step. :)


Le 28/10/2016 à 17:09, Satdeep Gill a écrit :

Hello all,

I would like to share with immense pleasure that finally Google OCR 
has started recognizing Gurmukhi text instead of showing Chinese 
characters. We have been editing Eastern Punjabi Wikisource regularly 
for the past few months. We also have some books which can be uploaded 
on local wiki only. I would like to propose that pa.wikisource.org 
 be created.


Check the meta page here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Eastern_Punjabi

Stats can be checked here:
https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=1=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%80=sourceswiki

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource Meetup in Wikimania 2016

[Mathieu Stumpf Guntz]

Saluton,

I'll be there too and hopefully I may help somewhat ^^


ĝis la revido,

mathieu

Le 11/05/2016 à 08:44, Sam Wilson a écrit :

Yes, good idea. :-)

Are any Wikisourcerers going to the hackathon at the beginning of 
Wikimania? I'm going to be there, and would love to help with any 
Wikisource-related coding.


—Sam


On 11/05/16 04:34, Bodhisattwa Mandal wrote:


Hi,

Wikisourcers from different language communities, who are attending 
Wikimania this year in Esino Lario, are requested to visit the 
Wikisource meet-up page.


  * https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetups/Wikisource

There is an etherpad link also to sort out the agenda of the meet-up

  * https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wikisource

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[Wikisource-l] Tesseract Open Source OCR Engine

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Hi,

I don't know where things are with OCR for non-latin scripts, so maybe 
this is not relevant anymore. Last time I grabbed information about it, 
there was limitation with the google service which was a problem namely 
for Indic languages. Well, yesterday we had a contribution day around 
Alsatian and Franconian dialects 
 
where I had the opportunity to talk with some linguists. One of them 
told me that google was in fact using tesseract 
 for its OCR service, which is open 
source. According to what she told me (or at least what I remember from 
this), it works with a trans-script training machine, you have to define 
matching between picture sample and character and there it goes. Looking 
quickly at the langdata repository I see that there are stuff about 
Devenagari, which I believe is a script used in at least a part of Indic 
texts, isn't it?


Hope that may help,
mathieu
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Vote for Google OCR-Wikisource integration in 2015 community wishlist

[Mathieu Stumpf Guntz]

Le 20/02/2016 13:07, Federico Leva (Nemo) a écrit :

Bodhisattwa Mandal, 19/02/2016 18:02:

And when we were getting some hope, Google announced that they will
charge for doing OCR using their drive.
https 


Makes sense.



Is there any chance that WMF will go for negotiation with Google so that
we can do the mass OCR free of charge?


What makes you think that Google's goals may match with ours?
Just asking will produce more certainty than speculating on matching 
agendas. :)


Nemo

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Vote for Google OCR-Wikisource integration in 2015 community wishlist

[Mathieu Stumpf Guntz]

Great, thank you for the news and congratulation for this achievement. :)

Le 05/01/2016 19:29, Bodhisattwa Mandal a écrit :

Hi,

I am happy to inform, that Shrinivasan has created a python script to 
automate the process in Linux system. This scripts upload the PDF 
files to Google Drive, download the OCRed text and split, merge the 
text files properly to fit as the PDF file. We have just tested the 
script for small files in Kannad and Bengali Wikisource and it was 
successful. We are going to test the script for using different types 
and sizes of files and in other Indic languages in next few days.


The script is in https://github.com/tshrinivasan/OCR4wikisource

Regards,
Bodhisattwa


On 2 December 2015 at 17:21, Tobias Schönberg > wrote:


I think it is important for non-technical readers of this list to
separate the 2 issues in the discussion.

1) OCR-Integration
This is something WMF can help with, because they can make the
connection between an OCR service and Mediawiki easier and
automate certain steps.

2) OCR
WMF is not programming an OCR-software and it would probably be a
bad idea to reinvent the wheel. It would be far better if editors
reached out to existing ORC-software projects. Starting a
discussion or filing a bug is an important first step in improving
the situation.
Tesseract-OCR (https://github.com/tesseract-ocr) for example is an
open-source project that works on OCR (No bugs filed for e.g.
Bengali). The mailing list
(https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/tesseract-ocr
)
contains discussions about e.g. Bengali
(https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tesseract-ocr/Bengali
).
So I think the situation might not be good, but is certainly on
its way of getting better.
Maybe WMF-India can fund a developer to work on Tesseract-OCR.
Another idea would be, to reach out to local universities. Maybe a
few informatics-students can improve the situation.

-Tobias


2015-12-01 19:51 GMT+01:00 ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)
>:

From that page which, Alex has linked:
"On the other hand, using the service for converting document
formats /is/ SaaSS, because it's something you could have done
by running a suitable program (free, one hopes) in your own
computer."

Hundreds among us have burnt their hands in developing a
successful 'free' OCR tool for Indic languages without any
real luck until now.
Until such a tool appears on the horizon, the Google facility
is just okay to be used.

Especially so, because we are anyway dealing with 'free' input
and output material.

-Viswaprabha



On 1 December 2015 at 21:49, Bodhisattwa Mandal
> wrote:

Hi Alex,

Of course, building free OCR can be the only permanent
solution, but WMF is not interested in building new OCR
right now. The language engineering team said at the
conference that, they don't have the infrastructure and
expertise to build such software. That's why, we have to
rely on Google OCR, knowing very well about its profit
making intentions. It's just a temporary solution but
right now, its the only best possible alternative for us.

Regards
Bodhisattwa

On 1 Dec 2015 21:12, "Alex Brollo" > wrote:

... nevertheless I found very interesting this
about "SaaSS":

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html


So, to build a true, excellent and indipendent
"wikisource multilingual OCR service" would be a
better solution.

Alex

2015-12-01 16:06 GMT+01:00 Bodhisattwa Mandal
>:

Hi Nemo,

Thanks for your interest. You can find the list of
Google OCR supported languages in the following link -

https://support.google.com/drive/answer/176692?hl=en

Regards,
Bodhisattwa

Thanks for posting about the topic. Which indic
languages are we talking about exactly? Are they
included in the recent FineReader versions now
used by Internet Archive?

Nemo

  

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

[Mathieu Stumpf Guntz]

Le 28/11/2015 14:26, Alex Brollo a écrit :

Thanks for interest.
I work mainly into it.source, but I often try to work a little bit 
into other projects too for a number of reasons. I find unknown 
templates, tools, policies, all from them very interesting; and I do 
too some effort to import them into it.source, but it's difficult, 
since diversity grows daily and some good ideas are very difficult to 
implement into different contexts.
This is more a problem of enbling easy cross wiki template (and module) 
reuse. See for example https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T6547



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[Wikisource-l] Thank you again to all for the Wikisource Conference

[Mathieu Stumpf Guntz]

Hello,

I just wanted to thank everybody which participated at the event, and 
especially the team which managed it. Also a special credit to WMfr 
which granted scholarships to me and several other people I was please 
to meet.


I learned a lot during this week and was really happy with the outcome. 
Being able to have face to face discussions with some of you was really 
great. Your enthusiasm and
kindness is a major source of motivation and inspiration. I hope that 
each attendee will have a troubleless return trip, and for those who 
stayed some extra days, that they thoroughly enjoy their time in Vienna  
and surroundings. I was personally totally impressed by the architecture!


Also it was such a pleasure to be able to dance with Asaf. :P

Kind regards,
mathieu

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