[Wikitech-l] Transclude contemporary template states to page hisories?
Hi, See you see a fix that could be made for this user issue rather than
bug?
The fix required is: when rendering **history** states of pages, rendering
contemporary history state of any {{transclusions}}, rather than latest state,
as happens now. This would make a lot of editors happier, and some less
concerned about banning the use of inter-article transcludes.
See below at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Transclusion_History,
and other links contained.
Best, Trev M.
== Transclusion History ==
See
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Summary_style#Problems_with_partial_transclusions_and_page_histories
this discussion]
Sometimes editors involved in disputes want to see an article as it was a while
ago, and then look at the changes made. If the article transcludes content from
another article, they will see the old version of the article but the current
version of the transcluded content, which is confusing. Is there a way in which
they could see the old version of the article with the transcluded content as
of the date/time that version was created? This could be a big improvement.
Thanks, [[User:Aymatth2|Aymatth2]] ([[User talk:Aymatth2|talk]]) 23:28, 20
March 2010 (UTC)
:ItÅås not possible as the software is currently written, though I agree it
would be a useful feature. Designing a gadget which re-parses from old
template revisions using javascript and the API might be (remotely) feasible
(albeit madnessyet IÅåm not above attempting a proof-of-concept if/when I find
the time). Å\[[User talk:AoV2|AoV©]] 14:21, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
It doesn't seem that difficult (easy for me to say). The change would be: when
transcluding content into a historical view of a page, select the most recent
version of the source page that was created no later than the date of the
target page. That way the historical view would show the page as it really
looked at that time, rather than a jumble of past and present. Many editors
would be deeply grateful for the improvement! [[User:Aymatth2|Aymatth2]]
([[User talk:Aymatth2|talk]]) 16:13, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
*Posting a summary of this and links at the '''bugzilla.wikimedia.org'''
mailing list, see what interest appears from those with their finger on the
wiki software pulse. span style=font-family: 'Brush script MT',
cursive;font-size:1.5em;vertical-align:middle; [[User:Trev M| Trev M ]]
[[User_talk:Trev_M| ~nbsp; ]]/span 19:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
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On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Epic fail! Someone, block him. On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 22:17, leo.st-jacq...@hc-sc.gc.ca wrote: This is an auto-replied message. I am out of office right now and will return Thursday March 25, 2010. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי Amir Elisha Aharoni http://aharoni.wordpress.com We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace. - T. Moore ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l Rather, can someone fix mailman so these sorts of things don't come through? Usually they don't... -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Chad wrote: Rather, can someone fix mailman so these sorts of things don't come through? Usually they don't... Mailman discards posts with the header Precedence: bulk, which is set by the classic UNIX autoresponder vacation. However, there are many autoresponders which don't set any such header, or X-Mailer or anything else. Then, the best you can do is to set up regex-based filters to heuristically detect such mails. However, the configuration is list-specific and it would be quite a bit of mucking around to set up a filter for all lists. Every time I post to mediawiki-announce, I get several autoreplies direct to me, despite Reply-To being set. I've rarely seen two emails with the same subject line: * Bedankt voor je e-mail/Thanks for e-mailing (Re: [MediaWiki-announce] MediaWiki security update: 1.15.2) * Re: [MediaWiki-announce] MediaWiki security update: 1.15.2 * Abwesend: [MediaWiki-announce] MediaWiki security update: 1.15.2 * Your message has been rejected. * Abwesenheitsnotiz * Din sag er modtaget hos IT-ServiceDesk og er blevet tildelt ID ... Those were the subject lines for the autoreplies to the last two announcements. If these autoreply scripts actually did respect Reply-To, then we'd see this sort of junk on the list a lot more often. So filtering is not as trivial as you might think. -- Tim Starling ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On 21 March 2010 22:47, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: So filtering is not as trivial as you might think. How about an anti-flood filter than stops emails that are identical to an email sent within the last hour? That ought to stop people auto-responding to themselves, at least. I think we can live with one auto-response per person (which is all most clients send, anyway, AFAIK - this really is a matter of a broken client, rather than a broken list). ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Thomas Dalton wrote: How about an anti-flood filter than stops emails that are identical to an email sent within the last hour? That ought to stop people auto-responding to themselves, at least. I think we can live with one auto-response per person (which is all most clients send, anyway, AFAIK - this really is a matter of a broken client, rather than a broken list). It would only work if the autoresponder isn't quoting the previous text, as some do. That seems a filter with little collateral damage, since you usually don't want to send the same body several times, even when you do it (you thought it didn't get through, etc). The only issue i foresee is when the replies come from different people, eg. several I agree replies. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Thomas Dalton wrote: On 21 March 2010 22:47, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: So filtering is not as trivial as you might think. How about an anti-flood filter than stops emails that are identical to an email sent within the last hour? That ought to stop people auto-responding to themselves, at least. I think we can live with one auto-response per person (which is all most clients send, anyway, AFAIK - this really is a matter of a broken client, rather than a broken list). If you have such a filter script, and a proposed Exim configuration, then I'd be happy to review it or to pass it along to the relevant people. -- Tim Starling ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Transclude contemporary template states to page hisories?
Besides template histories, can we add a parameter
'index.php?action=viewtime=xxx' to allow users to read as if they
read an article at that time, and append this parameter with the same
value to all (internal) links in the article?
In this way, we can have nostalgia wikis (like
http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePage ) at any time.
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Trev wikipe...@wavesculptor.com wrote:
Hi, See you see a fix that could be made for this user issue rather than
bug?
The fix required is: when rendering **history** states of pages, rendering
contemporary history state of any {{transclusions}}, rather than latest
state, as happens now. This would make a lot of editors happier, and some
less concerned about banning the use of inter-article transcludes.
See below at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Transclusion_History,
and other links contained.
Best, Trev M.
== Transclusion History ==
See
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Summary_style#Problems_with_partial_transclusions_and_page_histories
this discussion]
Sometimes editors involved in disputes want to see an article as it was a
while ago, and then look at the changes made. If the article transcludes
content from another article, they will see the old version of the article
but the current version of the transcluded content, which is confusing. Is
there a way in which they could see the old version of the article with the
transcluded content as of the date/time that version was created? This could
be a big improvement. Thanks, [[User:Aymatth2|Aymatth2]] ([[User
talk:Aymatth2|talk]]) 23:28, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
:ItÅås not possible as the software is currently written, though I agree it
would be a useful feature. Designing a “gadget” which re-parses from old
template revisions using javascript and the API might be (remotely) feasible
(albeit madness—yet IÅåm not above attempting a proof-of-concept if/when I
find the time). Å\[[User talk:AoV2|AoV©˜]] 14:21, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
It doesn't seem that difficult (easy for me to say). The change would be:
when transcluding content into a historical view of a page, select the most
recent version of the source page that was created no later than the date of
the target page. That way the historical view would show the page as it
really looked at that time, rather than a jumble of past and present. Many
editors would be deeply grateful for the improvement!
[[User:Aymatth2|Aymatth2]] ([[User talk:Aymatth2|talk]]) 16:13, 21 March 2010
(UTC)
*Posting a summary of this and links at the '''bugzilla.wikimedia.org'''
mailing list, see what interest appears from those with their finger on the
wiki software pulse. span style=font-family: 'Brush script MT',
cursive;font-size:1.5em;vertical-align:middle; [[User:Trev M| Trev M ]]
[[User_talk:Trev_M| ~nbsp; ]]/span 19:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
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