Re: [Wikitech-l] ANN: Version 2.0.0 of the Memento MediaWiki Extension
Congratulations on this milestone, Shawn, and thanks to you and your team for all your hard work. :) On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Shawn Jones sj...@cs.odu.edu wrote: All, Thanks to the feedback of developers from this list (wikitech-l), version 2.0.0 of the Memento time travel Extension for MediaWiki has been released. The extension can be downloaded via [1]. Information on the extension is available at [2]. A demonstration wiki equipped with the extension is available at [3]. The extension works with Memento clients [4] to allow one to browse pages on an installation of MediaWiki as if it were some datetime in the past. This has numerous applications, from avoiding spoilers [5] to studying the changes in law. Recently, at WikiConference USA 2014, we presented our experiences reconstructing the past using MediaWiki [6, 7], and demonstrated using the extension to avoid spoilers [8, 9]. The extension is fully compliant with RFC 7089 [10], which specifies the Memento protocol. The effort was supported in part by the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation and is a joint effort between Old Dominion University and Los Alamos National Laboratory. The Memento protocol extends HTTP to support content negotiation with time, allowing one to view past versions of web pages. This document [11] provides insight into the added value that the protocol brings to MediaWiki. Videos [12], and [13] show Memento at work in the web at large. The latter pays significant attention to temporal navigation in Wikipedia, and hence illustrates that the Memento Team considers time travel in MediaWiki platforms a major use case of the protocol. Video [14] shows how one could use the Memento MediaWiki Extension to avoid spoilers in fan-based wikis. The Memento protocol is currently used by major web archives [15] and supported by the International Internet Preservation Consortium [16]. Once again, the Memento team is appreciative of all of the feedback from the Wikimedia team, and just because we have reached 2.0.0 doesn’t mean that we don’t seek additional input in order to improve the extension. On behalf of the Memento Team, Shawn M. Jones Graduate Research Assistant Department of Computer Science Old Dominion University Email: sj...@cs.odu.edu Research group: http://ws-dl.blogspot.com Twitter:@shawnmjones [1] https://github.com/hariharshankar/mediawiki/releases/tag/v2.0.0 [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Memento [3] http://ws-dl-05.cs.odu.edu/demo/ [4] http://bit.ly/memento-for-chrome [5] http://ws-dl.blogspot.com/2013/12/2013-12-18-avoiding-spoilers-with.html [6] http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/Submissions:Reconstructing_the_past_with_Mediawiki:_Programmatic_Issues_and_Solutions [7] http://www.slideshare.net/shawnmjones/reconstructing-the-past-with-media-wiki-35333484 [8] http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/Submissions:Using_the_Memento_Mediawiki_Extension_to_Avoid_Spoilers [9] http://www.slideshare.net/shawnmjones/using-the-memento-mediawiki-extension-to-avoid-spoilers-35333526 [10] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7089 [11] http://www.mementoweb.org/wikipedia/ [12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_70lQPOOIg [13] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtZHKeFwjzk [14] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciClYjTnscs [15] http://mementoweb.org/depot/ [16] http://netpreserve.org ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Getting phpunit working with Vagrant
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 1:10 AM, Dan Duvall dduv...@wikimedia.org wrote:
would also work, but on my system just `vagrant status` takes 1s which
is
not horrible,
but is noticeable when run so often. For that reason i went for a check
that could operate
without booting ruby and loading all the vagrant code.
Great point.
We've been discussing further improvements we might make to
mediawiki-vagrant, with the primary focus being easier TDD workflows. I'd
love any other feedback on how to make things more efficient/less painful.
I'm hoping to fix `vagrant run-tests [extension]` and implement a new
`vagrant run-browser-tests` in the near future, so if anyone has special
use cases, let me know.
One thing to keep in mind is non Unixy (read: Windows) hosts. It might not
always be easy for Windows hosts to run PHP-unit with a symlink. I must say
I haven't invested more than an hour or two in getting things to work, and
I'm absolutely *terrible* when it comes to administration tasks, but the
only way I could get the test suite running was with the Pear PHP-unit
version from the guest system, and wasn't able to run the full test-suite
due to OOM conditions (I increased guest memory up to 3 GB).
--Martijn
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Erik Bernhardson
ebernhard...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Dan Duvall dduv...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
I use a horrible hack, essentially we run the tests from a pre-commit
hook
with `make phpunit`, but we redefine make as:
This might be naive of me, given I don't know specifically how you
maintain
your hooks, but why not modify the pre-commit hook to conditionally
execute
over the vagrant ssh tunnel instead of hijacking make?
would probably work as well. When i wrote this script i already had
the
make() stuff
in my .bashrc so i could also use make from the command line. The
pre-commit script[1]
was written based off that, just looks at the commit to figure out which
make commands to
run, then calls make.
[1]
https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Flow/blob/master/scripts/pre-review
Also, instead of crawling parent directories for the Vagrantfile, you
could
use `if (which vagrant vagrant status) /dev/null; then ...`.
would also work, but on my system just `vagrant status` takes 1s which
is
not horrible,
but is noticeable when run so often. For that reason i went for a check
that could operate
without booting ruby and loading all the vagrant code.
Cheers,
Dan
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Erik Bernhardson
ebernhard...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com
wrote:
I would like to run the phpunit tests from inside my host OS
though...
I have pre-commit hook I rely on to run phpunit tests before
submitting... how can I do that now?
I use a horrible hack, essentially we run the tests from a pre-commit
hook
with `make phpunit`, but we redefine make as:
make() {
if is_vagrant; then
vagrant ssh -- cd /vagrant/mediawiki/extensions/Flow ''
sudo
su
www-data -c 'make $*' || exit 1
else
/usr/bin/env make $* || exit 1
fi
}
where the is_vagrant function duplicates the vagrant functionality of
looking at all parent directories for a Vagrantfile
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Dan Duvall
dduv...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Jon,
From the looks of it, you may be invoking the tests from your
host
OS,
not
the Vagrant-managed VM. Trying logging in to the VM using
`vagrant
ssh`
and
executing the tests from there.
master x ~/git/vagrant $ vagrant ssh
...
vagrant@mediawiki-vagrant:~$ cd
/vagrant/mediawiki/tests/phpunit
vagrant@mediawiki-vagrant:/vagrant/mediawiki/tests/phpunit$
php
phpunit.php
If you still have problems with it, feel free to come grab me and
we
can
troubleshoot it further.
On a related note, I'll be working on improving the
mediawiki-vagrant
browser tests setup for MobileFrontend in the coming weeks. It'd
be
great
to have you, or someone else on the mobile team, vet the
improvements.
Cheers,
Dan
--
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Automation Engineer
Wikimedia Foundation http://wikimediafoundation.org
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[Wikitech-l] Bugday on older MediaWiki bugs with high priority set on Tue, June 24 2014, 17:00UTC
Hi everybody, you are invited to join us on the next Bugday: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 17:00 to 18:30UTC [1] in #wikimedia-office on Freenode IRC [2] We will be triaging open Bugzilla tickets under the product MediaWiki which have high priority set for more than one year. Everyone is welcome to join, and no technical knowledge needed! It's an easy way to get involved or to give something back. All information can be found here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Triage/20140624 For more information on triaging in general and what that means, check out https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Triage See you there? andre [1] Timezone converter: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html [2] See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC for more info on IRC chat -- Andre Klapper | Wikimedia Bugwrangler http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: I personally find the topic history page[4] to be horrendous, both ugly and nearly unusable. We're going to revise topic history. Yes, I'm probably atypical in that I like reading wikitext diffs for discussion pages. You can view the diff between revisions of a post, but editing posts is somewhat rare. Generating a diff of an entire topic with new posts, updates, hide operations, etc. seems challenging. -- =S Page Features engineer ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] How to Keep Track of Template Values Across a Wikipedia?
Ricordisamoa,
That's a clever idea. It's not exactly what the Abuse Filter is for, but I
made a request for that tag anyway. Thanks for the idea.
Max Klein
‽ http://notconfusing.com/
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org
wrote:
If the Abuse filter is smart enough to detect every edit that changes a
value in those templates, it can attach a tag to those edits. Then, it
would be easy to follow recent changes for that tag.
Il 13/06/2014 23:53, Maximilian Klein ha scritto:
Hello All,
I'm working on the Open-Access Signalling Project[1], which aims to signal
and badge when a reference in Wikipedia is Open Access source. I'm writing
the bot at the moment to do this, and I'm encountering a question - how do
I keep track of the values of the template {{Cite doi | doi=value}}, in as
close to real-time as possible?
The most efficient approach I can come up with is to query the SQL servers
on Labs in constant loop, returning the results of What transcludes
{{Cite
doi}} and seeing if the last_edited timestamp is newer than previous? If
the last_edit is newer, then get the content of the page and see if the
{{Cite_doi}} value has changed, checking against a local database.
This seems horribly inefficient still. Is there a hook to know when a
template on a page has been edited, rather than having to check every time
the page has been edited?
Thanks in advance,
Max Klein
‽ http://notconfusing.com/
[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Open_
Access/Signalling_OA-ness
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Re: [Wikitech-l] How to Keep Track of Template Values Across a Wikipedia?
John, and John, Using the External URL search is a good idea. I think I'm going to do this on the database replicas too. Thanks for the tips. Max Klein ‽ http://notconfusing.com/ On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 12:25 PM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, taking a closer look all you need to do is to track external link usage. It appears that all the cite templates use a http://dx.doi.org/XX format URL. write a program to parse/keep track of the uses It shouldnt be that hard. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Separating Special:MyLanguage from Extension:Collection
Today, Kaldari wanted to have translate enabled on foundationwiki so that Special:MyLanguage was available, but that would fall afoul of bug:44871 [1]. This is not a unique request, fundraising also has some use for MyLanguage features on wikis that don't have (and wont have) translate. Are there any concerns with separating out that special page into it's own extension? The one that immediately jumps to mind is how the i18n team bundles translate. [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44871 ~Matt Walker Wikimedia Foundation Fundraising Technology Team ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Separating Special:MyLanguage from Extension:Collection
The page looks kinda small and useful, so why not just move it into core? On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Matthew Walker mwal...@wikimedia.org wrote: Today, Kaldari wanted to have translate enabled on foundationwiki so that Special:MyLanguage was available, but that would fall afoul of bug:44871 [1]. This is not a unique request, fundraising also has some use for MyLanguage features on wikis that don't have (and wont have) translate. Are there any concerns with separating out that special page into it's own extension? The one that immediately jumps to mind is how the i18n team bundles translate. [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44871 ~Matt Walker Wikimedia Foundation Fundraising Technology Team ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Best regards, Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]]) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Separating Special:MyLanguage from Extension:Collection
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Matthew Walker mwal...@wikimedia.org wrote: Today, Kaldari wanted to have translate enabled on foundationwiki so that Special:MyLanguage was available, but that would fall afoul of bug:44871 [1]. This is not a unique request, fundraising also has some use for MyLanguage features on wikis that don't have (and wont have) translate. Are there any concerns with separating out that special page into it's own extension? Or even better, moving Special:MyLanguage into core. Ryan Kaldari ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Separating Special:MyLanguage from Extension:Collection
Matthew Walker wrote: Today, Kaldari wanted to have translate enabled on foundationwiki so that Special:MyLanguage was available, but that would fall afoul of bug:44871 [1]. This is not a unique request, fundraising also has some use for MyLanguage features on wikis that don't have (and wont have) translate. Are there any concerns with separating out that special page into it's own extension? The one that immediately jumps to mind is how the i18n team bundles translate. [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44871 Hi. I read your post and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44871#c19 and still can't figure out what Kaldari wants to do. Can someone explain why Special:MyLanguage is needed on wikimediafoundation.org? I'm also a little confused about the reference to Extension:Collection in the subject line. Did you mean Extension:Translate? (Also, its. :P) Putting Special:MyLanguage-type functionality in MediaWiki core seems fine to me. It just maps a user's language preference to a language code subpage, right? So Special:MyLanguage/Foo for someone who's specified that she speaks Spanish would redirect to Foo/es. MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Separating Special:MyLanguage from Extension:Collection
The specific need is that I want to set the 'Mobile-frontend-terms-url' message to '//m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Terms_of_Use' via the WikimediaMessages extension, so that people clicking the 'Terms of Use' link at the bottom of the page will get sent to the Terms of Use in their own language. Right now, wiki administrators have to override this message locally to point to the correct translation (after checking to see if it actually exists). (Added this information to the bug as well.) Ryan Kaldari On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 5:49 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Matthew Walker wrote: Today, Kaldari wanted to have translate enabled on foundationwiki so that Special:MyLanguage was available, but that would fall afoul of bug:44871 [1]. This is not a unique request, fundraising also has some use for MyLanguage features on wikis that don't have (and wont have) translate. Are there any concerns with separating out that special page into it's own extension? The one that immediately jumps to mind is how the i18n team bundles translate. [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44871 Hi. I read your post and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44871#c19 and still can't figure out what Kaldari wants to do. Can someone explain why Special:MyLanguage is needed on wikimediafoundation.org? I'm also a little confused about the reference to Extension:Collection in the subject line. Did you mean Extension:Translate? (Also, its. :P) Putting Special:MyLanguage-type functionality in MediaWiki core seems fine to me. It just maps a user's language preference to a language code subpage, right? So Special:MyLanguage/Foo for someone who's specified that she speaks Spanish would redirect to Foo/es. MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Separating Special:MyLanguage from Extension:Collection
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 5:49 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Can someone explain why Special:MyLanguage is needed on wikimediafoundation.org? I don't know why Kaldari wants it. But Fundraising can use it for our thank you page. We would like to give a redirect like wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Thank_You/fi and have it go to the Finnish page, or English if that doesn't exist. Thereby taking some amount of intelligence out of that process. We also have links in our emails referencing reports / statements on foundationwiki that currently just point to the English versions. I'm also a little confused about the reference to Extension:Collection in the subject line. Did you mean Extension:Translate? (Also, its. :P) *sigh* Yes... /me apparently has context switching leakage. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Finding images
Why is it still, now in 2014, so hard to find images? We have categories and descriptions, but we also know they don't describe all that we want to find in an image. If I need an image with a bicycle and some red flowers, I can only go to the category:bicycles and hope that I'm lucky when browsing through the first 700 images there. Most likely, the category will be subdivided by country or in some other useless way that will make my search harder. Where is science? Google was created in 1998, based on its Pagerank algorithm for web pages filled with words and links. That was 14 years ago. But what algorithms are there for finding images? -- Lars Aronsson (l...@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Separating Special:MyLanguage from Extension:Collection
On 06/17/2014 08:57 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: The specific need is that I want to set the 'Mobile-frontend-terms-url' message to '//m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Terms_of_Use' via the WikimediaMessages extension, so that people clicking the 'Terms of Use' link at the bottom of the page will get sent to the Terms of Use in their own language. Right now, wiki administrators have to override this message locally to point to the correct translation (after checking to see if it actually exists). Side note, extensions can no longer override core messages. I don't know if extensions can override other extensions, but I doubt it. So you might have to add on to the mechanism I did (reviews welcome, especially from i18n people) at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/137528/ (after the patch is merged, it's easy to just add one more key). Matt Flaschen ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Finding images
On 18/06/14 11:13, Lars Aronsson wrote: Why is it still, now in 2014, so hard to find images? We have categories and descriptions, but we also know they don't describe all that we want to find in an image. If I need an image with a bicycle and some red flowers, I can only go to the category:bicycles and hope that I'm lucky when browsing through the first 700 images there. Most likely, the category will be subdivided by country or in some other useless way that will make my search harder. Where is science? Google was created in 1998, based on its Pagerank algorithm for web pages filled with words and links. That was 14 years ago. But what algorithms are there for finding images? How do the commercial stock agencies do it? They have a much more similar problem to Commons than Google does. -- Tim Starling ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Hoi, Now that ONLY indicates that stock agencies have a similar problem to Commons, it does not help finding images or indicates a path we could take to improve things. When images are gaining tags as part of the Wikidatification of multi mediafiles we at least have a way to add multi lingual support and, that does improve things on what we have today. Thanks, GerardM On 18 June 2014 03:46, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 18/06/14 11:13, Lars Aronsson wrote: Why is it still, now in 2014, so hard to find images? We have categories and descriptions, but we also know they don't describe all that we want to find in an image. If I need an image with a bicycle and some red flowers, I can only go to the category:bicycles and hope that I'm lucky when browsing through the first 700 images there. Most likely, the category will be subdivided by country or in some other useless way that will make my search harder. Where is science? Google was created in 1998, based on its Pagerank algorithm for web pages filled with words and links. That was 14 years ago. But what algorithms are there for finding images? How do the commercial stock agencies do it? They have a much more similar problem to Commons than Google does. -- Tim Starling ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Finding images
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: Why is it still, now in 2014, so hard to find images? We have categories and descriptions, but we also know they don't describe all that we want to find in an image. If I need an image with a bicycle and some red flowers, I can only go to the category:bicycles and hope that I'm lucky when browsing through the first 700 images there. Most likely, the category will be subdivided by country or in some other useless way that will make my search harder. Four years ago I requested the Wikimedia Category Flattening feature: http://marc.info/?l=wikitech-lm=126525308906767 Fast forward back to 2014 and with an additional 1000 high resolution files uploaded to wikimedia (over 95% of my photos are released into the public domain -- it's more free than the iStock editorial license), that feature is still not done. IMO, a better search function for Wikimedia Commons would be way more useful than the WYSIWYG editor for Wikipedia! Rayson == Open Grid Scheduler - The Official Open Source Grid Engine http://gridscheduler.sourceforge.net/ http://gridscheduler.sourceforge.net/GridEngine/GridEngineCloud.html Where is science? Google was created in 1998, based on its Pagerank algorithm for web pages filled with words and links. That was 14 years ago. But what algorithms are there for finding images? -- Lars Aronsson (l...@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Finding images
Lars Aronsson wrote: Why is it still, now in 2014, so hard to find images? We have categories and descriptions, but we also know they don't describe all that we want to find in an image. If I need an image with a bicycle and some red flowers, I can only go to the category:bicycles and hope that I'm lucky when browsing through the first 700 images there. Most likely, the category will be subdivided by country or in some other useless way that will make my search harder. Where is science? Google was created in 1998, based on its Pagerank algorithm for web pages filled with words and links. That was 14 years ago. But what algorithms are there for finding images? Hi. Have you tried Special:Search? :-) There's a very nice category of red flowers: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Red_flowers. If you search for 'incategory:Red flowers', you can find pictures in only that category. If you search for 'incategory:Red flowers incategory:Bicycles', you can see the intersection of these two categories. (No results currently, alas.) Try a search such as 'incategory:Red flowers incategory:Cosmos atrosanguineus' to see the search actually work (it should return one result currently, 'File:Cosmos atrosanguineus Choco Mocha.jpg'). Hope that helps. MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Finding images
On 06/18/2014 06:14 AM, MZMcBride wrote: If you search for 'incategory:Red flowers', you can find pictures in only that category. If you search for 'incategory:Red flowers incategory:Bicycles', you can see the intersection of these two categories. (No results currently, alas.) This requires that the interesting images have been categorized as having red flowers. I could just as well hope that the description text mentions red flowers, and do a full text search. Both will fail, because this detailed level of categorization/description is lacking. Even though this picture is categorized as fruit vendors, it isn't categorized as apples, bananas, cherries, peaches, and pears, or paper crates, or string, or mostly shadow with a little sunshine on a sidewalk. With 21 million files, how can we reach that level of detail in documentation? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Still_Life_with_Fruit-Laden_Bike_-_Medina_%28Old_City%29_-_Rabat_-_Morocco.jpg Here's a bicycle with red flowers, now categorized, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Xe_%C4%91%E1%BA%A1p_ch%E1%BB%9F_h%C3%A0ng.jpg -- Lars Aronsson (l...@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Finding images
Lars Aronsson wrote: On 06/18/2014 06:14 AM, MZMcBride wrote: If you search for 'incategory:Red flowers', you can find pictures in only that category. If you search for 'incategory:Red flowers incategory:Bicycles', you can see the intersection of these two categories. (No results currently, alas.) This requires that the interesting images have been categorized as having red flowers. I could just as well hope that the description text mentions red flowers, and do a full text search. Both will fail, because this detailed level of categorization/description is lacking. This doesn't sound like a technical problem to me... can't you just add the relevant categories? It's a wiki, after all. Perhaps you're hoping for automatic image recognition? I don't think computing, as a science, is there yet. I think I read something about Google and videos of cats, but even the billionaires can't solve this problem, yet. Sorry. Even though this picture is categorized as fruit vendors, it isn't categorized as apples, bananas, cherries, peaches, and pears, or paper crates, or string, or mostly shadow with a little sunshine on a sidewalk. With 21 million files, how can we reach that level of detail in documentation? [...] Click edit. Actually, Commons has HotCat enabled, so you can just click the (+) link, I imagine. What's the issue? Here's a bicycle with red flowers, now categorized, [...] Cool, thanks for that. MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
