Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3
I’m still not entirely convinced that the GPLv2 allows more licenses than the v3. Yeah, maybe in the case of extensions it’s OK, but I do not think it is possible to add Apache code into MediaWiki core and still allow licensing MediaWiki under both the v2 and the v3. Maybe if legal can provide an explanation, but at this point so many people are dying to use a permissive license that I doubt anything is ever going to change. Also, I understand everybody seems to be worried about using the AGPL in libraries because then the libraries cannot be used by outside companies in proprietary software. But at that point it’s really just a difference in opinion. What is more important: allowing as many people to use our libraries as possible, or protecting against our libraries from being used in proprietary software. -- Tyler Romeo 0x405D34A7C86B42DF On February 10, 2015 at 18:23:32, David Gerard (dger...@gmail.com) wrote: On 10 February 2015 at 23:19, Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongm...@gmail.com wrote: In fact I would prefer to go to a less restrictive license, but that is probably not worth the fight. And is also infeasible. For a web service. GPL is effectively weak copyleft already; I think that's quite weak enough. (As I noted, there is no actual evidence that permissive licenses secure more contributions than copyleft, and some evidence the other way; despite fans of permissive licenses repeating the claims ad nauseam over the last fifteen years, they're notably short on examples.) - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using AMPGpg ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Reminder: Weekly VisualEditor triage meeting tomorrow at 20:00 UTC (12:00 PST)
[Apologies for cross-post] As a reminder, on Wednesday, 11 February 2015 at 12:00 (noon) PST (20:00 UTC)[0] there will be the first of a weekly series of open triage meetings about VisualEditor. We will discuss the release criteria for VisualEditor, and jointly prioritise the work of the team, talking about the bugs and features which are most important to you. We particularly welcome the presence of volunteers who enjoy contributing MediaWiki code. The joining instructions are available on MediaWiki.org[1]. Hope to see many of you there. [0] - http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20150211T12p1=224ah=1 [1] - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:VisualEditor/Portal Yours, -- James D. Forrester Product Manager, Editing Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3
Hi! And is also infeasible. For a web service. GPL is effectively weak copyleft already; I think that's quite weak enough. (As I noted, there is no actual evidence that permissive licenses secure more This is very plausible, as the decision to contribute is rarely driven by the license as a primary factor - you don't say here's random GPL-licensed project, I don't know anything about its domain, language, goals, community, status or needs, but I feel compelled to contribute because it's GPL! - or at least, most people won't say that. As long as the license is not completely un-acceptable, I would assume other factors would dominate such decision. However, I know cases where I personally had to write code or otherwise work around GPL libraries because of license incompatibility with other open-source projects. That, of course, can be also counted as more contributions but I don't think that's what you meant :) contributions than copyleft, and some evidence the other way; despite Out of curiosity, what evidence you mean? fans of permissive licenses repeating the claims ad nauseam over the last fifteen years, they're notably short on examples.) You must already know examples of successful projects under permissive licenses. So you probably seeking the examples of why permissive license solicits _more_ contributions that if the same project was under GPL. Such example would require a rather rare occurrence of a project changing the license while at mature stage and measuring the contributions before and after the license change, otherwise we'd be comparing apples to oranges. My personal opinion is, as I described above, that license doesn't matter too much provided it's not unacceptably restrictive. Thus, for me looking for such examples would be a waste of time :) -- Stas Malyshev smalys...@wikimedia.org ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Wmfall] Wikimania Scholarship Application Deadline is Approaching!
-- Forwarded message -- From: Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org Date: Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 8:55 PM Subject: [Wmfall] Wikimania Scholarship Application Deadline is Approaching! To: wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimania general list wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org, Staff All wmf...@lists.wikimedia.org The deadline for applying for a Scholarship to attend Wikimania 2015 in Mexico City on July 15-19 is a week away! ** Monday 16 February 2015 23:59 UTC ** Please spread the word to anyone you know who might qualify. A scholarship will cover the cost of an individual's round-trip travel, shared accommodation, and conference registration as arranged by the Wikimedia Foundation. Applicants will be rated using a pre-determined selection process and selection criteria by the Scholarship Committee, who will determine which are successful. To learn more about Wikimania 2015 scholarships, please visit: https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships To apply for a scholarship, fill out the application form on: https://scholarships.wikimedia.org/apply It is highly recommended that applicants review all the material on the Scholarships page and the associated FAQ before submitting an application. If you have any questions, please contact: wikimania-scholarships at wikimedia.org or leave a message at: https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Scholarships Thank you, Ellie Young WMF Conference Coordinator on behalf of the Scholarship Committee ___ Wmfall mailing list wmf...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wmfall -- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3
On Mon Feb 09 2015 at 21:25:16 Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] It's your choice to not participate in any project for any reason, but try to understand that some people (such as myself) much prefer to work on software that's truly free, rather than virally free. I hope you don’t seriously think GPL software is not “truly free”. I agree with the sentiment that copyleft licenses are not truly free, but only in the sense you are free to do what you want, but only my way. This is probably a minority view in the free software community, but not one that you should dismiss so easily. As for my opinion, the more licenses the user can choose, the freeer and the better and I thus support keeping the current GPL 2 or higher license. In fact I would prefer to go to a less restrictive license, but that is probably not worth the fight. Bryan ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3
On 10 February 2015 at 23:19, Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongm...@gmail.com wrote: In fact I would prefer to go to a less restrictive license, but that is probably not worth the fight. And is also infeasible. For a web service. GPL is effectively weak copyleft already; I think that's quite weak enough. (As I noted, there is no actual evidence that permissive licenses secure more contributions than copyleft, and some evidence the other way; despite fans of permissive licenses repeating the claims ad nauseam over the last fifteen years, they're notably short on examples.) - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] .js errors in Metrolook skins
Hi I am getting js script errors in Metrolook skin. The error is in
$(document).click(function(e) {
if (!$(e.target).closest('#'+openDiv).length) {
toggleDiv(openDiv);
}
});
and error says Object expected.
Source code is at
https://git.wikimedia.org/summary/mediawiki%2Fskins%2FMetrolook and
https://github.com/paladox/Metrolook
If I have to split js script out of the MetrolookTemplate.php could I have some
help to do that please thanks.
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