Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia P2P

[bawolff]

Hi,

There's been some previous discussion about this and similar ideas on the list:

* https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2015-November/084143.html
* https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2016-November/087079.html

My personal view is that such proposals usually aren't worth it (I
haven't looked at yours specifically so this might not apply to you)
because:
* Most users expect very quick cache invalidation times (e.g. on the
order of seconds)
* Uncached views are generally cheap (From the server perspective), so
the benefits aren't that much.

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On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Carlos Guerrero
 wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I was directed to this list by Charles M. Roslof (Wikimedia Foundation Legal
> Counsel) he asked me to remove all wikipedia branding from "
> https://www.WikipediaP2P.org/;, so I did, and it is now renamed  "
> https://guerrerocarlos.github.io/WikiP2P.org/;
>
> He told me this would be the right place to propose what the extension does
> and see if it can be useful to wikipedia in any way.
>
> I believe that the "WikiP2P" extension has a lot of potential to help
> wikipedia be more bandwidth efficient for people with limited access to
> Internet.
>
> So I invite you to check any of those links it and tell me if this is
> really the right list.
>
> Thanks in advance for your time and dedication.
>
> Best Regards
> - Carlos
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Re: [Wikitech-l] ArchCom Minutes 2017-03-22

[Daniel Kinzler]

Am 27.03.2017 um 21:57 schrieb Marko Obrovac:
> Did you mean(TM) #wikimedia-office ? :)

Haha! Of course. After all these years, I still get it wrong sometimes!


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Re: [Wikitech-l] ArchCom Minutes 2017-03-22

[Marko Obrovac]

On 27 March 2017 at 11:55, Daniel Kinzler 
wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> Here are the minutes from this week's ArchCom meeting. You can also find
> the
> minutes at  2017-03-15>.
>
> See also the ArchCom status page at
>  and the
> RFC board
> .
>
> Here are the minutes, for your convenience:
>
> Recent Activity:
> * etcd under consideration for configuration management, see
> .
> * Adam Shoreland (addshore) is working on an extension for transferring
> files
> from Wikipedia to Commons, with the full history intact. See
> 
> * Input wanted on overriding namespaces defined in extension.json, see
>  and the “Letting
> configurations
> override namespace registration of extensions” thread on wikitech-l.
> * Some activity regarding error message i18n on the RFC on JSON validation:
> .
>
> Past session on MobileFrontend requirements:
> * Detailed notes at
>  OCCAM/ArchCom-03-15-2017>.
> * We had a presentation and Q/A session on hangout, with notes taken on
> IRC, and
> some questions taken from IRC. We failed to get the youtube stream
> working, but
> we did not max out hangout.
> * Using a video conference for a high level overview session seems
> moderately
> successful, with room for improvement on the details. ArchCom will
> consider this
> mode for some future public meetings. We may try a different video
> conference
> service next time. Has anyone tried Spreed ? We
> could
> even host it, see .
>
> Upcoming RFC discussion, Wednesday, March 29:
> * “Canonical data URIs and URLs for machine readable page content”
> .
> * The discussion will take place in the IRC channel #mediawiki-office on
> Wednesday 21:00 UTC (2pm PDT, 23:00 CEST).
>

Did you mean(TM) #wikimedia-office ? :)

Cheers,
Marko


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[Wikitech-l] Wikipedia P2P

[Carlos Guerrero]

Hello,

I was directed to this list by Charles M. Roslof (Wikimedia Foundation Legal
Counsel) he asked me to remove all wikipedia branding from "
https://www.WikipediaP2P.org/;, so I did, and it is now renamed  "
https://guerrerocarlos.github.io/WikiP2P.org/;

He told me this would be the right place to propose what the extension does
and see if it can be useful to wikipedia in any way.

I believe that the "WikiP2P" extension has a lot of potential to help
wikipedia be more bandwidth efficient for people with limited access to
Internet.

So I invite you to check any of those links it and tell me if this is
really the right list.

Thanks in advance for your time and dedication.

Best Regards
- Carlos
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[Wikitech-l] ArchCom Minutes 2017-03-22

[Daniel Kinzler]

Hi all!

Here are the minutes from this week's ArchCom meeting. You can also find the
minutes at .

See also the ArchCom status page at
 and the RFC board
.

Here are the minutes, for your convenience:

Recent Activity:
* etcd under consideration for configuration management, see
.
* Adam Shoreland (addshore) is working on an extension for transferring files
from Wikipedia to Commons, with the full history intact. See

* Input wanted on overriding namespaces defined in extension.json, see
 and the “Letting configurations
override namespace registration of extensions” thread on wikitech-l.
* Some activity regarding error message i18n on the RFC on JSON validation:
.

Past session on MobileFrontend requirements:
* Detailed notes at
.
* We had a presentation and Q/A session on hangout, with notes taken on IRC, and
some questions taken from IRC. We failed to get the youtube stream working, but
we did not max out hangout.
* Using a video conference for a high level overview session seems moderately
successful, with room for improvement on the details. ArchCom will consider this
mode for some future public meetings. We may try a different video conference
service next time. Has anyone tried Spreed ? We could
even host it, see .

Upcoming RFC discussion, Wednesday, March 29:
* “Canonical data URIs and URLs for machine readable page content”
.
* The discussion will take place in the IRC channel #mediawiki-office on
Wednesday 21:00 UTC (2pm PDT, 23:00 CEST).


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Principal Platform Engineer

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Transliteration of Crimean Tatar Wiki: Where can we get help?

[Trey Jones]

I might work on this at the Hackathon (and maybe find Bunyk there if he's
interested). I would need someone who knows Crimean Tatar to help validate
the results, though that wouldn't have to happen during the Hackathon.


On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 1:23 AM, Vira Motorko 
wrote:

> Thank you, Trey, for this analysis!
>
> There is also this page with transliteration table (in case it helps and
> not confuses more))
> https://crh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipediya:İmlâ/Latin_elifbesi
>
> ​I asked user:Bunyk (Ukrainian​ Wikimedian) for help, but he is not working
> with php.
> He is attending Vienna Hakathon though so one can reach him there if feel
> like doing this.
>
> I feel uncomfortable because I want this transliteration instrument to
> exist but can contribute to the code myself ((
> So please, my volunteer hero, appear!
> *--*
> *Vira Motorko*
> project manager, Wikimedia Ukraine  non-profit
> organisation
> m: +380667740499 | f: vira.motorko 
> |
> w: Ата 
>
> Are you saving your documents in free formats? ;)
> Help save natural resources – please think twice before printing this
> e-mail or any attachments.
>
> 2017-03-24 16:05 GMT+02:00 Trey Jones :
>
> > It looks like a lot of the pieces needed to make this happen are out
> there.
> >
> > Unfortunately it doesn't look like a one-to-one transliteration based on
> > the description in English Wikipedia.[1] But when is language ever
> > straightforward?
> >
> > It looks like much of the work to deal with all the contextual variation
> > and the exceptions to the transliteration was at least attempted twice.
> > There's a zip file of code attached to the Phab Ticket,[2] and link to
> some
> > code on-wiki[5]. From the comments, it looks like that code never quite
> > worked, but it seems possible to harvest the conversion data from one or
> > both and put it into the same format as the other existing language
> > converters, like Kazakh[3]—and it *might* be easier this time since it's
> > been 6.5 years and the LanguageConverter code is probably more mature
> now.
> >
> > It would be even better if someone could create an Elasticsearch plugin
> to
> > do the same kind of conversion. That would allow cross-alphabet
> searching,
> > too. I've been working with a plugin[4] that does that kind of thing for
> > Traditional and Simplified Chinese.
> >
> > —Trey
> >
> > [1]
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Tatar_alphabet#Cyrillic_to_Latin_
> > transliteration
> > [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T23582#247642
> > [3]
> > https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/php/
> classKkConverter.html
> > [4] https://github.com/medcl/elasticsearch-analysis-stconvert
> > [5] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T23582#247634
> >
> >
> > Trey Jones
> > Software Engineer, Discovery
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 5:40 AM, Vira Motorko 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > [I'm sorry if it's not the place to ask, please forward where it should
> > > be.]
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > There is a long frozen idea: to make a transliterator for Crimean Tatar
> > > Wikipedia. Native speakers of crh use both cyrillic and latin script
> > > depending on the country they used to live in.
> > > One example of similar thing in use is https://kk.wikipedia.org — one
> > can
> > > choose in what script they see the content.
> > >
> > > There is an old task on Phabricator and were attempts to write a tool
> in
> > > php but the effort stopped.
> > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T23582
> > > 
> > >
> > > Maybe someone can/wants to help with this tool or create one from
> > scratch?
> > > Maybe you know where else I can find help?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > *--*
> > > *Vira Motorko*
> > > project manager, Wikimedia Ukraine 
> > non-profit
> > > organisation
> > > m: +380667740499 | f: vira.motorko  > vira.motorko>
> > > |
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> > >
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