Re: [Wikitech-l] Recommending Firefox to users using legacy browsers?

2017-09-04 Thread Gergo Tisza 
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Bryan Davis  wrote:

> In my personal past experience,
> Firefox crashes were almost always correlated with buggy user
> installed, community developed extensions.
>

Which are going to be axed in the next release and replaced with a
Chrome-like limited-but-safe API for extensions, and that has everyone up
in arms. It's hard to please users :)

In any case I would care more about linking to a user-friendly and
well-maintained landing page (e.g. does it offer useful choices if you
visit it from a mobile device?) than the specific selection of browsers
offered - given the relatively small ratio of grade C visits, we are
unlikely to alter the browser landscape much either way. And I doubt we
want to deal with maintaining such a page ourselves.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Recommending Firefox to users using legacy browsers?

2017-09-04 Thread Bináris 
2017-09-05 2:08 GMT+02:00 Risker :

> Firefox has decided to take a path that is actively awful.
>
Which is?
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Recommending Firefox to users using legacy browsers?

2017-09-04 Thread Bryan Davis 
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Risker  wrote:
> Gonna be honest...after using Firefox almost exclusively for the last 10
> years whenever I had a choice, I'm ready to give up on it. I don't expect
> all the bells and whistles (and privacy compromises) of the big commercial
> browsers, but Firefox has decided to take a path that is actively awful.
> It's not just awful on Wikipedia (where I know logged-in users with lots of
> preferences and scripts are always going to be slow), it is awful on every
> website I go to, and it crashes on a multiple-times-a-day basis.  It does
> this on all three of my computers.  I've been trying to stay loyal and look
> at the bigger "free knowledge" bit...but I have had six crashes today and
> I'm done.  I hear this a lot from people I know outside of Wikimedia, and
> I've been told its unreliability is why several companies have decided
> against adding it (or have removed it) as an acceptable alternate browser.
>
> So no, I do not think it would be a good idea for anyone, let alone the
> Wikimedia Foundation, to advocate on behalf of this software.

As long as we are going on anecdotal evidence, I run Firefox ESR
52.3.0 on an OSX laptop all day every day and can not remember the
last crash I had. I do shutdown the browser every evening which may or
may not avoid serious memory leaks. In my personal past experience,
Firefox crashes were almost always correlated with buggy user
installed, community developed extensions.

Bryan
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Recommending Firefox to users using legacy browsers?

2017-09-04 Thread Risker 
Gonna be honest...after using Firefox almost exclusively for the last 10
years whenever I had a choice, I'm ready to give up on it. I don't expect
all the bells and whistles (and privacy compromises) of the big commercial
browsers, but Firefox has decided to take a path that is actively awful.
It's not just awful on Wikipedia (where I know logged-in users with lots of
preferences and scripts are always going to be slow), it is awful on every
website I go to, and it crashes on a multiple-times-a-day basis.  It does
this on all three of my computers.  I've been trying to stay loyal and look
at the bigger "free knowledge" bit...but I have had six crashes today and
I'm done.  I hear this a lot from people I know outside of Wikimedia, and
I've been told its unreliability is why several companies have decided
against adding it (or have removed it) as an acceptable alternate browser.

So no, I do not think it would be a good idea for anyone, let alone the
Wikimedia Foundation, to advocate on behalf of this software.

Risker/Anne

On 3 September 2017 at 03:22, Stas Malyshev  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> > After Firefox and Chromium, there's a bunch of open source web browsers
> > listed on [2], but a brief spot check showed many as being Linux only
> > (or outdated Mac builds). One that looked promising was Brave[3], though
> > it's a relatively new browser and I would need to do more research
> > regarding #3.
>
> I've been using Brave for a couple of months occasionally, and it seems
> to work pretty well. It has (some) adblocking in default config, and
> some other privacy-enhancing settings, which are probably not very
> important for Wikimedia sites but may either break some other sites or
> make them bearable :)
> It's pretty young, so I don't think we can say much about security
> record yet - IIRC it's based on Chromium, and it's updated pretty
> frequently, and it's easy to use (though the UI might be a bit more
> spartan then others for now, and not many extensions available - but for
> ex-IE users it may not be an issue).
>
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> smalys...@wikimedia.org
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[Wikitech-l] The target revision does not exist

2017-09-04 Thread Bináris 
We have Flagged Revs in huwiki. This edit was made by an anon, and an admin
hid the inappropriate summary.
https://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=S%C3%BClys%C3%A1p&curid=45101&diff=19117621&oldid=19117618
After this we couldn't review the version. The message was:
Unable to review this revision. The target revision does not exist.
(Source fo English text:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Revreview-failed and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Review_bad_oldid)

In fact the revision did exist, only the edit summary was hidden. Is this a
bug or a feature? :-) I am not very familiar with Phabricator, so is there
a ticket for this feature already?

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[Wikitech-l] [REMINDER] [Webcast] Wikimedia Technical Committee (TechCom) announcement in less than 24 hours

2017-09-04 Thread Srishti Sethi 
Hello everyone,

This is a reminder for the *Wikimedia Technical Committee (TechCom)
announcement webcast (*by Victoria Coleman
 and Daniel
Kinzler ) that
starts in less than 24 hours -- September 5, 2017, at 17:00 UTC

via YouTube live.

Link to live YouTube stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtH-EmGmOWs
Connect to Freenode IRC for questions #wikimedia-office


In this webcast, we will share the revised charter of the TechCom
 with
the developer community and answer any questions you might have. We will
also ask for your suggestions on how you think the committee can best
support you.

Looking forward to your presence!

Cheers,
Srishti

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