[Wikitech-l] IRC office hours with the Language Engineering team 2012-11-21 16:30 UTC

2012-11-15 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) 
Hello everyone,

You're invited to the IRC office hours with the Language Engineering
team[1] at the Wikimedia Foundation.

Date: 2012-11-21
Time: 16.30 UTC
Venue: #wikimedia-office

Agenda:
1. Universal Language Selector updates.
2. Upcoming Language team test day
3. India events & Misc.

For more logistical info and time conversion links check the page on
Meta[2]. Thanks, and we hope to talk to you soon!

[1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Language_Engineering_team
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours

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Re: [Wikitech-l] IRC office hours with the Language Engineering team 2012-09-17 16:30 UTC

2012-10-18 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) 
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) <
slakshma...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

>
> The log[1] is available. The next Language Engineering office hour will be
> on 14th November. Thank you
>

Apologies for the spam, the next office hours will be on 21st November, 3rd
Wednesday as usual. Thanks.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] IRC office hours with the Language Engineering team 2012-09-17 16:30 UTC

2012-10-17 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) 
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) <
slakshma...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

>  Hello everyone,
>>
>> You're invited to the IRC office hours with the Language Engineering team[1] 
>> at
>> the Wikimedia Foundation.
>>
>> Date: 2012-10-17
>> Time: 16.30 UTC
>> Venue: #wikimedia-office
>>
>
The log[1] is available. The next Language Engineering office hour will be
on 14th November. Thank you

[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2012-10-17

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Re: [Wikitech-l] IRC office hours with the Language Engineering team 2012-09-17 16:30 UTC

2012-10-17 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) 
Hello,

Starting in 20 minutes from now.

Regards,
Srikanth L

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) <
slakshma...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> You're invited to the IRC office hours with the Language Engineering team[1] 
> at
> the Wikimedia Foundation.
>
> Date: 2012-10-17
> Time: 16.30 UTC
> Venue: #wikimedia-office
>
> Agenda:
> 1. ULS & Project Milkshake updates.
> 2. Translation UI/UX design findings
>  3. Q & A
>
> For more logistical info and time conversion links check the page on
> Meta[2]. Thanks, and we hope to talk to you soon!
>
> [1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Language_Engineering_team
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours
>
>
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>
>


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[Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Bangalore DevCamp - Nov 9-11,2012

2012-10-17 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) 
Hello,

Wikimedia is holding a technical meetup in Bangalore, India at the Indian
Institute of Management campus. This DevCamp[1] is a chance to participate
in development of Javascript based internationalization and localization
tools as well as mobile applications using Phonegap and LAMP technologies,
and to work alongside experts. Software engineers, UX/UI designers, and
translators are welcome!

Developers from technical and non-technical backgrounds with a focus on
browser and mobile technologies are welcome at Wikimedia DevCamp. Prior
experience with MediaWiki software is not required but you could contribute
the most if you're an active developer or UI designer. Translators with a
linguistic background who can help improve language support for Wikimedia
technology projects are also welcome.

Registrations are open. If you have suggestions on topics that people who
are new to Wikimedia universe can work on during the event, please feel
free to add them in the topics page[2].

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bangalore_DevCamp_November_2012
[2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bangalore_DevCamp_November_2012/Topics

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[Wikitech-l] IRC office hours with the Language Engineering team 2012-09-17 16:30 UTC

2012-10-11 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) 
Hello everyone,

You're invited to the IRC office hours with the Language Engineering team[1] at
the Wikimedia Foundation.

Date: 2012-10-17
Time: 16.30 UTC
Venue: #wikimedia-office

Agenda:
1. ULS & Project Milkshake updates.
2. Translation UI/UX design findings
 3. Q & A

For more logistical info and time conversion links check the page on
Meta[2]. Thanks, and we hope to talk to you soon!

[1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Language_Engineering_team
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours


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Re: [Wikitech-l] IRC office hours with the Localisation team 2012-09-19 16:30 UTC

2012-09-19 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) 
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) <
slakshma...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> You're invited to the IRC office hours with the Localisation team[1] at
> the Wikimedia Foundation.
>
> Date: 2012-09-19
> Time: 16.30 UTC
> Venue: #wikimedia-office
>
> Agenda:
> 1. Project Milkshake update.
> 2. Language teams and tracking i18n metrics.
> 3. Q & A
>

Reminder, This starts in 15 minutes!


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[Wikitech-l] IRC office hours with the Localisation team 2012-09-19 16:30 UTC

2012-09-16 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) 
Hello everyone,

You're invited to the IRC office hours with the Localisation team[1] at the
Wikimedia Foundation.

Date: 2012-09-19
Time: 16.30 UTC
Venue: #wikimedia-office

Agenda:
1. Project Milkshake update.
2. Language teams and tracking i18n metrics.
3. Q & A

For more logistical info and time conversion links check the page on
Meta.[2] To know what the localisation team has been up to recently, check
out

* https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project_Milkshake
*
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Localisation_team_Sprint_23_demo.pdf
*
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Localisation_team_Sprint_23_demo.ogv

Thanks, and we hope to talk to you soon!

[1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Localisation_team
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours

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Re: [Wikitech-l] IRC office hours with the Localisation team 2012-08-15 16:30 UTC

2012-08-15 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) 
Hello,

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) <
slakshma...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> You're invited to the IRC office hours with the Localisation team[1] at
> the Wikimedia Foundation.
>
> Date: 2012-08-15
> Time: 16.30 UTC
> Venue: #wikimedia-office
>

Thanks for your participation. You can find the log here[1]

[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2012-08-15

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[Wikitech-l] Localisation and internationalisation bug triage on August 22

2012-08-13 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) 
Hello all,

I would like to invite you to the upcoming localisation and
internationalisation bug triage. The bug triage preparation is
available[1]. Please feel free to add bugs / use the chat window / email me
about i18n issues that you would like to discuss in the triage.

When  : August 22, 16:00 - 17:00 UTC
Where : Freenode IRC channel #mediawiki-i18n

[1] http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/BugTriage-i18n-2012-08

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[Wikitech-l] IRC office hours with the Localisation team 2012-08-15 16:30 UTC

2012-08-07 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) 
Hello everyone,

You're invited to the IRC office hours with the Localisation team[1] at the
Wikimedia Foundation.

Date: 2012-08-15
Time: 16.30 UTC
Venue: #wikimedia-office

Agenda:
1. Universal Language Selector update.
2. Language teams.
3. Q & A

For more logistical info and time conversion links check the page on
Meta.[2] To know what the localisation team has been up to, check out

* https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector
*
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Localisation_team_Sprint_21_demo.pdf

Thanks, and we hope to talk to you next week!

[1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Localisation_team
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Page views

2012-04-09 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan 
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 00:46, Erik Zachte  wrote:

> returns 20 lines from this 1:1000 sampled squid log file
> after removing javascript/json/robots.txt there are 13 left,
> which fits perfectly with 10,000 to 13,000 per day
>
> however 9 of these are bots!!
>

Is this the same case for mobile stats as well? I don't think there could
be sudden 100% growth for 2 months now across wikis[1] without some reason
like this.

[1]  http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN_India/TablesPageViewsMonthlyMobile.htm

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Renaming deployment site central wiki

2012-04-03 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan 
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 13:07, Petr Bena  wrote:

> since some of them thought that deployment site is
> wikimedia labs, while in fact it's a project of wikimedia labs
>

"Backstage" projects in the meta homepage[1] might need an update to
reflect the correct understanding too.

Also correct me if am wrong, TestWiki is to test *any* change while
the deployment
site is for testing next wmf release. Translatewiki is the place to
preview/test all i18n changes. Has testwiki become redundant after having
the deployment site?

[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia Url Shortner Service

2012-03-26 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan 
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 23:11, Tei  wrote:

> On 26 March 2012 08:38, Ariel T. Glenn  wrote:
> ..
> > As one of those non latin script users, it irks me no end when I see a
> > url that is opaque to me soley because it's been url-encoded.  I would
> > love a "smarter" url shortener; there's no reason projects with a latin1
> > script should produce human readable urls while the rest of us get to
> > guess where links on our projects lead.  Even somewhat weird
> > romanization is better than what we have now.
> >
> > Ariel
>
> Perhaps this is one of these problems that can't be solved just with
> computers.
>

These can be solved, but may not be out of the box without writing some
extra code / spending some time.

1. Malayalam and Odia are creating titles in latin and redirect them,
display the latin urls using a prettyurl template[1] and each editor takes
the extra bit of time to create these redirects and it works for them!

2. Then there is interwiki based redirection tools like wikishortpy[2]
which are being used by Tamil Wikipedia. http://tawp.in/e/Tamil redirects
to http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/தமிழ் along with the "micro-blogging use
case" url http://tawp.in/r/2vd1

3. When there is working code on script conversion of each language into
latin, we can have human identifiable "easy to type" URLs. These will also
be helpful on feature mobiles where one may not have typing solution. It
will happen sooner or later nonetheless.

[1] http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Prettyurl
[2] https://github.com/yuvipanda/wikishortipy

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia Url Shortner Service

2012-03-23 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan 
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 21:52, Chad  wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Mingli Yuan 
> wrote:
> > please try this one: http://defn.me/s/
> >
>
> Ideally, we'd have a service that allows shortening any WMF domain.
>

ShortUrl[1] extension which was written inspired by defn.me awaits
deployment for sometime now,

[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ShortUrl

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Re: [Wikitech-l] reject edits that cause two links for the same language

2012-03-18 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan 
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 09:52,  wrote:

> Let's imagine it is the year 2050 and each article has been translated
> into each language. A simple misplaced language would e.g., cause ZH
> users, who are used to looking for their language at the bottom, to not
> find it.
>

Much before that happens, Universal Language Selector[1] should fix that
issue.

[1] http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector

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[Wikitech-l] Opengrok for Mediawiki code

2012-03-01 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan 
Hi all,

Would having opengrok[1] setup for Mediawiki code be useful tool?
I haven't used ViewVC much, so not sure if opengrok doesn't do something
that ViewVC does, but in general have found opengrok to be much useful for
grokking across the code base quickly. If you haven't used it / want to
try, check it out in action[2]

[1]  http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+opengrok/
[2] http://svn.services.openoffice.org/opengrok/
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Requesting Help with Gadgets on Indic Wikipedia

2012-01-15 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan 
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 02:23, Amir E. Aharoni  wrote:

>
> As far as i understand, a Centralized gadgets repository is being
> worked on, and it is supposed to solve this issue in an elegant way,
> but i don't know what its actual status is.
>

While Centralized gadget repository is indeed a need and might solve the
issue in a way, IMO there is another way. The cite templates usage and
complexity in English Wikipedia is bit high and if one were to use the
centralized gadget in a language wiki, they need to copy all the templates
and carefully localize so that it does not break. And debugging
templates/js can be painful, trust me. What would be ideal is to look the
requirement and see if there are alternates / write your own. For example,
we didnt localize Twinkle in Tamil because we hardly use more than 10
templates for page tagging. So we went ahead and localized tagger[1] which
fits our size, saved time, does the job well.


> If i'm wrong about assuming that it's being worked on, then the
> JavaScript code has to be copied and localized manually, which would
> be tedious.
>

Copying code is not just tedious, but also bad thing because one needs to
keep track of versioning and keep doing the tedious job again. (We copied
WikiLove v1 and sitting with it due to laziness) So unless its a code that
you can support, avoid copying. Its ideal to have the js code localizable
and wish more developers know and care about writing code that
supports internationalization.

[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hoo_man/Scripts/Tagger

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Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-i18n] Report on WebFonts deployment

2011-12-15 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan 
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 03:38, Platonides  wrote:

> On 14/12/11 22:33, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:
> > Language support teams :-
>
> In order to force them, "if you don't test this it may break horribly
> for you when deployed" seems way more convincing than "no new goodies
> for you".
>

We tried telling people to test saying the same thing, may be should try
telling them more often.


> Development must continue even if ignored (do not confuse with negative
> feedback), but blind coding without feedback is a dangerous zone.
>
+1


> > PS: I understand the criticism might have come hard on the India list,
> > but we(critics) are getting used to a pattern beyond Webfonts. We alert
> > of something dangerous on the cards, People(mostly WMF) tend to ignore
> > us, Then they "firefight" and then we criticize more post the entire
> > thing, "you would have been better had you to listened us". This has
> > happened 3rd time on row now, other 2 being Protest against Jimbo at
> > WikiConference India &  IEP. I hope sooner, people take us seriously.
>
> It's not that Indian sites are treated worse, see the recent (similar)
> issues in commons with EXIF.
>

Sorry I didn't quite get you, not sure if you got what i meant as well. I
never said / meant / implied "Indian sites are treated worse", what I tried
to convey was why the criticism on India list is high.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-i18n] Report on WebFonts deployment

2011-12-14 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan 
Dear all,

First up, some kudos for i18n team for taking up this project to help Indic
communities. I also guess this is probably one of the largest webfonts
deployment till date. We also appreciate the team working overtime last
couple of days for making a quick progress to solve the open issues. We
look forward to better webfonts soon and am eager to get a quality version
of it deployed on Tamil Wikiprojects sooner.

Having said that, we(critics mentioned in above mail) were indeed unhappy
with the enmasse roll out without sufficient testing to a large user base.
I agree that some issues like same origin restriction bug may miss any
amount of testing if its not done on wmf cluster, but certain others could
have been found with more community involvement. I like the concept of
"dark launch" and wish they come sooner and take priority for any and all
future deployments. This will solve the major concern of affecting user
experience of millions of readers while we try to make the software better.
I also look forward to the feedback mechanism update too!

Language support teams :- I know that there was very little support from
the community, (not many,baring us the critics who gave feedback). I have
been hearing the word "Language support teams" for few months now. If
people are not interested to join them, they must be forced to join them(by
way of not supporting them/ deploying any component for the language) so as
to provide better support. If getting contacts is the issue, Shiju should
be able to link people. Deploying things on live which are not certified by
language users is a dangerous thing.

A lot of us are willing to help to get better support for our language and
we hope there shall be more communication. On my part, I will try spending
few hours on #mediawiki-i18n , please feel free to bug me to test anything.

Regards,
Srikanth L

PS: I understand the criticism might have come hard on the India list, but
we(critics) are getting used to a pattern beyond Webfonts. We alert of
something dangerous on the cards, People(mostly WMF) tend to ignore us,
Then they "firefight" and then we criticize more post the entire thing,
"you would have been better had you to listened us". This has happened 3rd
time on row now, other 2 being Protest against Jimbo at WikiConference
India &  IEP. I hope sooner, people take us seriously.
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[Wikitech-l] ShortURL for Non Latin Mediawiki sites

2011-04-12 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan 
Hi all,

Sharing of URLs of non latin wiki's werent really easy and when copy pasting
we get the unicode numerals in the URL like
http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%80%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%AF%E0%AE%BE:%E0%AE%86%E0%AE%B2%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%B0%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%BF


en:User:Mountain had come up with a shortify project[1] and thanks to
Yuvipanda its now live on Tamil Wikipedia. All pages have a link on the
right side of article title. http://tawp.in/r/262 is the same link and is
being displayed there. The feedback from the community is to have this
hosted by Wikimedia itself as it would be more reliable than individual
running it. So there came the idea of a mediawiki extension and hence
Shorturl extension[2] was born by some really quick work by Yuvipanda.Its
live here[3].(See the toolbox for short URL) While this may be a small
thing, it does help non latin wiki's a lot.Having it in the extension form
is more reliable even though the URL length goes up, but still its
worthy.The URL length can be shortened with mod_rewrite rules on. I would
ideally like this to be used across non latin wikimedia properties as it
helps these projects(like echoed here[4]). Please let me know how to do
this. Bugs on wikimedia bugzilla will do?

Feedback appreciated.

[1] https://github.com/mountain/shortify
[2] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ShortUrl
[3] http://wiki.busroutes.in/wiki/Chennai
[4]
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-March/002699.html

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