Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Antoine Musso]

Le Wed, 04 Jan 2012 11:58:55 +0100, Roan Kattouw   
a écrit:
> In your post, you ask whether the employee owns the copyright on their
> own work, or whether WMF does. I don't know this for sure, because
> it's not explicitly mentioned in my contract, but I believe it's owned
> by the employee/contractor. All the WMF-written code I've seen in the
> past few years claims to be copyrighted by the author, and the fact
> that my contract requires me to license my work in a certain way seems
> to imply I own the copyright on that work, otherwise I wouldn't even
> have the power to license it.

That is how I understand it. My contract enforce me to publish all
my work as a contractor under a free license. I am assuming the code
is still my intellectual property though.

For WMF employees, I am sure the copyright belong to the WMF.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Platonides]

On 04/01/12 20:53, Gregory Varnum wrote:
> I know that's what they're SUPPOSE to do - but I've heard tales
> of other issues as well. (...)
>
> I tend to agree it "shouldn't" be necessary - but given people's
> concerns about the importance of the files - figure it's at least
> worth a try.  :)  Plus I find MaxSem's addition to be rather amusing.

A request like "please contact [[Sumana]] before deleting this" would be 
more appropiate than a "don't do this", since if they are going to 
delete them, they *think* it's the right thing to do.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Andre Engels]

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:47 AM, K. Peachey  wrote:
> Commons folk doesn't magically delete anything unless there is a
> reason, nor do they instantly delete in most cases. If peoples uploads
> are continently getting tagged for deletion, They should look at why
> they are getting tagged.

For one example, recently a fellow wikipedian got a picture he had
taken himself deleted because someone else had uploaded it somewhere
else, so they didn't believe it was his. I myself have had pictures
from US government almost deleted because I only specified which
government institution it came from, not what page they could be found
(saved because I happened to find them after being notified of my
terrible crime). Copyright diligence is good, copyright paranoia is
not.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Max Semenik]

On 05.01.2012, 4:47 K. wrote:

> Commons folk doesn't magically delete anything unless there is a
> reason, nor do they instantly delete in most cases. If peoples uploads
> are continently getting tagged for deletion, They should look at why
> they are getting tagged.

I've seen them delete on sight screenshots of FLOSS Windows software "because
Windows UI is copyrighted". Even though Commons policies don't mandate
anything like this, lots of their sysops have an urge "to protect copyright"
without any actual knowledge in this area, unfortunately.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[K. Peachey]

Commons folk doesn't magically delete anything unless there is a
reason, nor do they instantly delete in most cases. If peoples uploads
are continently getting tagged for deletion, They should look at why
they are getting tagged.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Chad]

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Gregory Varnum  wrote:
> I know that's what they're SUPPOSE to do - but I've heard tales of other 
> issues as well.  It hasn't been my personal experience that the Commons 
> Admins do a lot of overzealous deletions - but if it helps to prevent even 
> one overzealous deletion - yay.  :)
>
> I tend to agree it "shouldn't" be necessary - but given people's concerns 
> about the importance of the files - figure it's at least worth a try.  :)  
> Plus I find MaxSem's addition to be rather amusing.
>

If people at Commons can't see the importance of such files then I'd
suggest we just leave them on mw.org then.

Cleaning up unlicensed stuff on mw.org is a good idea, but the rest
I'm afraid is a solution in search of a problem.

-Chad

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Gregory Varnum]

I know that's what they're SUPPOSE to do - but I've heard tales of other issues 
as well.  It hasn't been my personal experience that the Commons Admins do a 
lot of overzealous deletions - but if it helps to prevent even one overzealous 
deletion - yay.  :)

I tend to agree it "shouldn't" be necessary - but given people's concerns about 
the importance of the files - figure it's at least worth a try.  :)  Plus I 
find MaxSem's addition to be rather amusing.



On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Platonides wrote:

> On 04/01/12 11:49, Max Semenik wrote:
>> On 04.01.2012, 7:21 Gregory wrote:
>> 
>>> To try and help with categorizing images used specifically for
>>> documentation (and which are specifically for extensions) - and to
>>> help explain their importance to admins before they delete - I've created a 
>>> couple of headers:
>>>  -
>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:MediaWiki_extension_file
>>>  -
>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:MediaWiki_documentation_file
>> 
>>> Counterparts on MW.org:
>>>  -  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Extension_file
>>>  -  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Documentation_file
> 
>> I've made a small clarification[1] to the template, though in my
>> experience even promise of "do it and be desysopped" doesn't prevent
>> crazy Commons admins from deleting stuff without discussion.
> 
> Those statements of "refrain from deleting it unless absolutely 
> necessary" are useless. If they have the copyright correctly set, they 
> wouldn't be deleted. And if they are copyvios, they would be nonetheless.
> It's fine to put a template explaining what is it used for, but that 
> text makes the sysop looks a bit dumb.
> 
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Platonides]

On 04/01/12 11:49, Max Semenik wrote:
> On 04.01.2012, 7:21 Gregory wrote:
>
>> To try and help with categorizing images used specifically for
>> documentation (and which are specifically for extensions) - and to
>> help explain their importance to admins before they delete - I've created a 
>> couple of headers:
>>   -
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:MediaWiki_extension_file
>>   -
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:MediaWiki_documentation_file
>
>> Counterparts on MW.org:
>>   -  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Extension_file
>>   -  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Documentation_file

> I've made a small clarification[1] to the template, though in my
> experience even promise of "do it and be desysopped" doesn't prevent
> crazy Commons admins from deleting stuff without discussion.

Those statements of "refrain from deleting it unless absolutely 
necessary" are useless. If they have the copyright correctly set, they 
wouldn't be deleted. And if they are copyvios, they would be nonetheless.
It's fine to put a template explaining what is it used for, but that 
text makes the sysop looks a bit dumb.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Roan Kattouw]

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 6:44 AM, John Vandenberg  wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Platonides  wrote:
>> Thanks Roan. It's also interesting to learn about that clause.
>
> I agree.  I asked whether WMF had something like this
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-August/067223.html
>
> And they do!?  very cool.
>
> Is that clause in a publicly accessible document?
>
I don't think so. The only place I've ever seen that clause is in my
own contract. Common sense leads me to believe it appears it other
people's contracts too, but I can't be fully certain of that.

In your post, you ask whether the employee owns the copyright on their
own work, or whether WMF does. I don't know this for sure, because
it's not explicitly mentioned in my contract, but I believe it's owned
by the employee/contractor. All the WMF-written code I've seen in the
past few years claims to be copyrighted by the author, and the fact
that my contract requires me to license my work in a certain way seems
to imply I own the copyright on that work, otherwise I wouldn't even
have the power to license it.

Roan

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Max Semenik]

On 04.01.2012, 7:21 Gregory wrote:

> To try and help with categorizing images used specifically for
> documentation (and which are specifically for extensions) - and to
> help explain their importance to admins before they delete - I've created a 
> couple of headers:
>  - 
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:MediaWiki_extension_file
>  - 
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:MediaWiki_documentation_file

> Counterparts on MW.org:
>  -  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Extension_file
>  -  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Documentation_file

> I have not yet begun to tag files - but will be doing so in the
> coming weeks as I get around to reviewing extensions for
> compatibility and working through the unknown files, etc.

> I also tend to agree that we should be better about MW.org image
> licensing, which may mean deleting some images if they're clear
> copyright violations.  I also think we'll need to start using the
> fair-use rationales more.  We have a number of files that are
> technically screenshots of copyright protected websites or software
> (which I believe may apply with or without their logo appearing -
> but I'm by no means a copyright lawyer).  Forbidding them altogether
> seems like a poor solution as they often provide very helpful visual
> aides and their usage is totally legal with a proper fair-use rationale 
> statement.

> Also started an early draft of a proposed image policy for MW.org
> to help clarify all of this once there's consensus on the listserv.
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Image_policy

> Feedback?
> -greg aka varnent

I've made a small clarification[1] to the template, though in my
experience even promise of "do it and be desysopped" doesn't prevent
crazy Commons admins from deleting stuff without discussion.


-
[1] 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:MediaWiki_documentation_file/en&diff=64783933&oldid=64770942

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[John Vandenberg]

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Platonides  wrote:
> Thanks Roan. It's also interesting to learn about that clause.

I agree.  I asked whether WMF had something like this
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-August/067223.html

And they do!?  very cool.

Is that clause in a publicly accessible document?

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Gregory Varnum]

To try and help with categorizing images used specifically for documentation 
(and which are specifically for extensions) - and to help explain their 
importance to admins before they delete - I've created a couple of headers:
 -  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:MediaWiki_extension_file
 -  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:MediaWiki_documentation_file

Counterparts on MW.org:
 -  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Extension_file
 -  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Documentation_file

I have not yet begun to tag files - but will be doing so in the coming weeks as 
I get around to reviewing extensions for compatibility and working through the 
unknown files, etc.

I also tend to agree that we should be better about MW.org image licensing, 
which may mean deleting some images if they're clear copyright violations.  I 
also think we'll need to start using the fair-use rationales more.  We have a 
number of files that are technically screenshots of copyright protected 
websites or software (which I believe may apply with or without their logo 
appearing - but I'm by no means a copyright lawyer).  Forbidding them 
altogether seems like a poor solution as they often provide very helpful visual 
aides and their usage is totally legal with a proper fair-use rationale 
statement.

Also started an early draft of a proposed image policy for MW.org to help 
clarify all of this once there's consensus on the listserv.
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Image_policy

Feedback?
-greg aka varnent


On Jan 3, 2012, at 5:49 PM, K. Peachey wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Antoine Musso  wrote:
>> Just consider that those files have been created by their uploader
>> and that they granted a license for use on mediawiki.org
> 
> I'm pretty sure we can't assume anything with licensing, The uploader
> must state the license they want it to be under.
> 
>> Whatever you do, please do not migrate to commons, or we will surely
>> loose materials in the process due to their licensing strictness.
> 
> Their licensing shouldn't be any more strict than any other project,
> If they are rejecting files for bad licensing, We probably should be
> as well since we all should be using the same interruption by the
> foundation.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Brandon Harris]

On 1/3/12 4:01 PM, Platonides wrote:
> On 04/01/12 00:43, Brandon Harris wrote:
>>
>>  A caveat:  if the images uploaded include any of the Wikipedia
>> trademarks (such as the puzzle globe) they've got a different copyright.
>
> What about the image less the logo?
> (yes, this is the reason screenshots should try to avoid WP logo... at
> least MW one is fine)

If the logo is cropped out, it's fine (and thus CC-By-SA 3.0).

When I need to show the logo, I've been doing a thing where I run a 
blur filter over a version of the logo and display that, which is fine 
and acceptable.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Platonides]

On 04/01/12 00:43, Brandon Harris wrote:
>
>   A caveat:  if the images uploaded include any of the Wikipedia
> trademarks (such as the puzzle globe) they've got a different copyright.

What about the image less the logo?
(yes, this is the reason screenshots should try to avoid WP logo... at 
least MW one is fine)


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Platonides]

Thanks Roan. It's also interesting to learn about that clause. Even 
though it's safer to track them to make an explicit release, which 
shouldn't be hard to do. I only mentioned them as an example of its 
"jungliness".


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Brandon Harris]

A caveat:  if the images uploaded include any of the Wikipedia 
trademarks (such as the puzzle globe) they've got a different copyright.


On 1/3/12 3:32 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:49 PM, K. Peachey  wrote:
>> I'm pretty sure we can't assume anything with licensing, The uploader
>> must state the license they want it to be under.
>>
> If something is uploaded by a WMF employee or contractor and was
> produced in the course of their work for WMF, you can probably safely
> assume it's CC-BY-SA 3.0+, because it's down in our contracts (or at
> least mine) that "publicly shared content will be licensed under an
> applicable free content license, typically CC-BY-SA 3.0 or later".
> Also, some people (like Tim Starling) have a user page with a blanket
> statement that anything they publish with no explicit licensing
> information is licensed under XYZ.
>
> But it probably doesn't hurt to ask people. As for me, everything I
> may have uploaded to mw.org without licensing information is hereby
> licensed under CC-BY-SA 3.0+ .
>
> Roan
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Roan Kattouw]

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:49 PM, K. Peachey  wrote:
> I'm pretty sure we can't assume anything with licensing, The uploader
> must state the license they want it to be under.
>
If something is uploaded by a WMF employee or contractor and was
produced in the course of their work for WMF, you can probably safely
assume it's CC-BY-SA 3.0+, because it's down in our contracts (or at
least mine) that "publicly shared content will be licensed under an
applicable free content license, typically CC-BY-SA 3.0 or later".
Also, some people (like Tim Starling) have a user page with a blanket
statement that anything they publish with no explicit licensing
information is licensed under XYZ.

But it probably doesn't hurt to ask people. As for me, everything I
may have uploaded to mw.org without licensing information is hereby
licensed under CC-BY-SA 3.0+ .

Roan

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[K. Peachey]

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Antoine Musso  wrote:
> Just consider that those files have been created by their uploader
> and that they granted a license for use on mediawiki.org

I'm pretty sure we can't assume anything with licensing, The uploader
must state the license they want it to be under.

> Whatever you do, please do not migrate to commons, or we will surely
> loose materials in the process due to their licensing strictness.

Their licensing shouldn't be any more strict than any other project,
If they are rejecting files for bad licensing, We probably should be
as well since we all should be using the same interruption by the
foundation.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Platonides]

On 03/01/12 15:26, Antoine Musso wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Just consider that those files have been created by their uploader
> and that they granted a license for use on mediawiki.org
>
> Whatever you do, please do not migrate to commons, or we will surely
> loose materials in the process due to their licensing strictness.

We should prefer having the files in commons if possible. Just not move 
it if you know they are going to be deleted, of course.

Why is it important having them in commons? Consider for instance a 
screnshot of Extension foo, which is then used in Help pages in multiple 
wikis.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Antoine Musso]

Le Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:25:23 +0100, K. Peachey  a  
écrit:

> We currently have a large number of file uploads with no licensing
> data on MW wiki! And we should really start doing something about it,
> As some people may have noticed last week(ish) I went though and tag
> most (if not all) of the uploads from this year that didn't have the
> licensing data. The current figures stand at:

Hello,

Just consider that those files have been created by their uploader
and that they granted a license for use on mediawiki.org

Whatever you do, please do not migrate to commons, or we will surely
loose materials in the process due to their licensing strictness.



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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Platonides]

I considered it in the past, but left when looking at the large amount 
of files without copyright tags.
The problem of mediawiki.org is that they have many files whose 
copyright status is unknown,  but that -unlike wikipedia- were uploaded 
by there authors (with high probability).

There are old files with unactive authors which would be a pity to lose, 
screenshots including logos, files with no license by wmf employees...

However, I think it's a good time to begin being strict with the license 
of newly uploaded images.

Happy New Year!


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Gregory Varnum]

I don't feel strongly about use of Commons - but have posted some MW images 
there myself (I think...).  Any images used in the public domain help section 
I'd advocate for using there - if for no other reason than it's more accessible 
to others wikis using them.  Regarding MW.org only documentation (like Manual 
and extensions) - brion makes a good point about the potential problems caused 
by an overzealous (but well intentioned) Commons admin cleaning up important 
images that are mis or incompletely labeled.

I'm glad Peachey brought this issue up.  :)  I'd be willing to join others in 
volunteering to sort through these.  Sounds like the steps might be:
1. Check userpages of file's uploader to see if they have a notice there - if 
so - post that notice on file's page
2.  Post a notice on the talk page for uploaders of remaining files giving 2 
weeks to correct (more since it's MW.org?)
3.  After the two(?) weeks - attempt to tag photos used in documentation or 
extensions - such as screenshots (which I imagine are the vast majority) and 
remove (then delete) any images on those pages which are not clear (logos, 
etc.) from those pages
4.  Any files not used in documentation (manual or extensions), explained 
sensibly by the uploader during this process, or files not easily tagged are 
then deleted
5.  Lather, rinse and repeat in six months

Here's a template I tweaked from enWP to use on user talk pages if it helps 
with consistency:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Unknown_copyright-notice

Also put together a project page to display the templates.  I tend to agree 
that for most folks using MW.org a category should probably be enough - but if 
it helps a few more folks add tags...I'll give it a try.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:File_copyright_tags

Perhaps we should revisit the conversation of an image policy mentioned here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Fair_use_policy

There didn't seem to be consensus on a fair use policy - but the start of an 
actual image policy is there.

Thoughts?

-greg aka varnent

PS. Happy new year!!


On Dec 31, 2011, at 8:46 PM, Brion Vibber wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 3:21 AM, Maarten Dammers wrote:
> 
>> Op 31-12-2011 11:25, K. Peachey schreef:
>>> We currently have a large number of file uploads with no licensing
>>> data on MW wiki! And we should really start doing something about it,
>>> 
>>> So the floor is open! What course of action should we take?
>> * Notify all uploaders with unknown copyright files
>> * Sort out
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Files_with_unknown_copyright_status
>> * Move all good files to Commons
>> * Delete all bad files
>> * Disable local uploads
>> 
>> You probably want to get some Commons users involved. This is not the
>> first time this is happening.
>> 
> 
> I would hesitate on that -- Commons seems a highly hostile environment for
> the sort of ad-hoc screenshots that we expect and use on a wiki dedicated
> to software documentation and development like mediawiki.org.
> 
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Brion Vibber]

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 3:21 AM, Maarten Dammers wrote:

> Op 31-12-2011 11:25, K. Peachey schreef:
> > We currently have a large number of file uploads with no licensing
> > data on MW wiki! And we should really start doing something about it,
> >
> > So the floor is open! What course of action should we take?
> * Notify all uploaders with unknown copyright files
> * Sort out
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Files_with_unknown_copyright_status
> * Move all good files to Commons
> * Delete all bad files
> * Disable local uploads
>
> You probably want to get some Commons users involved. This is not the
> first time this is happening.
>

I would hesitate on that -- Commons seems a highly hostile environment for
the sort of ad-hoc screenshots that we expect and use on a wiki dedicated
to software documentation and development like mediawiki.org.

-- brion
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Maarten Dammers]

Op 31-12-2011 12:59, Maciej Jaros schreef:
> This is probably because of UploadWizard
UploadWizard is not enabled at www.mediawiki.org. I think you're mixing 
up Mediawiki.org and Commons

Maarten


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Maciej Jaros]

K. Peachey (2011-12-31 11:25):
> We currently have a large number of file uploads with no licensing
> data on MW wiki! And we should really start doing something about it,
> As some people may have noticed last week(ish) I went though and tag
> most (if not all) of the uploads from this year that didn't have the
> licensing data. The current figures stand at:
>
> * Tagged as being from this year  : 182
> * From "Cat:Files with unknown copyright status"  :  28 (Minus this years)
> * From "Cat:Images with unknown copyright status" :  66
>   TOTAL TAGGED : 276 Files
>

This is probably because of UploadWizard - I was recently uploading a 
file which was based on other file from Commons and there was no way too 
choose the correct licence (PD). I had to change it afterwards. Also 
category wasn't added to page although I did add it. I wasn't sure it 
would reproducible and didn't reported it.

Most people probably won't notice such things as UploadWizard gives you 
the code to paste to wiki in the process and so you don't even see the 
image page.

Cheers,
Nux.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[K. Peachey]

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Maarten Dammers 
wrote:> * Notify all uploaders with unknown copyright files> * Sort
out> 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Files_with_unknown_copyright_status>
* Move all good files to Commons> * Delete all bad files> * Disable
local uploads>> You probably want to get some Commons users involved.
This is not the> first time this is happening.>> MaartenHow should we
sort out the unknown copy right status category?

We can't move anything to commons unless we know the license status
(which we don't if its in that category (there is a couple of small
exceptions in that list of MW screenshots))

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Thomas Gries  wrote:
> and please send a pointer to a concise page with the most important
> license templates

I normally link to Category:License_templates
 when I see
people upload and message them on their talk pages, Which has the same
list as templates as the upload page as well as a couple of extras.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Thomas Gries]

Am 31.12.2011 12:21, schrieb Maarten Dammers:
> Op 31-12-2011 11:25, K. Peachey schreef:
>> We currently have a large number of file uploads with no licensing
>> data on MW wiki! And we should really start doing something about it,
>>
>> So the floor is open! What course of action should we take?
> * Notify all uploaders with unknown copyright files
> * Sort out 
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Files_with_unknown_copyright_status
> * Move all good files to Commons
> * Delete all bad files
> * Disable local uploads
>
> You probably want to get some Commons users involved. This is not the 
> first time this is happening.
>
> Maarten
>
and please send a pointer to a concise page with the most important
license templates




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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Maarten Dammers]

Op 31-12-2011 11:25, K. Peachey schreef:
> We currently have a large number of file uploads with no licensing
> data on MW wiki! And we should really start doing something about it,
>
> So the floor is open! What course of action should we take?
* Notify all uploaders with unknown copyright files
* Sort out 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Files_with_unknown_copyright_status
* Move all good files to Commons
* Delete all bad files
* Disable local uploads

You probably want to get some Commons users involved. This is not the 
first time this is happening.

Maarten


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[K. Peachey]

1. Category:Images with unknown copyright status

2. Category:Files with unknown copyright status


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[Thomas Gries]

Am 31.12.2011 11:25, schrieb K. Peachey:
> We currently have a large number of file uploads with no licensing
> data on MW wiki! And we should really start doing something about it,
>
> So the floor is open! What course of action should we take?

I suggest you create a mw page with the file names of these files.






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[Wikitech-l] Files with unknown copyright status on MediaWiki wiki

[K. Peachey]

We currently have a large number of file uploads with no licensing
data on MW wiki! And we should really start doing something about it,
As some people may have noticed last week(ish) I went though and tag
most (if not all) of the uploads from this year that didn't have the
licensing data. The current figures stand at:

* Tagged as being from this year  : 182
* From "Cat:Files with unknown copyright status"  :  28 (Minus this years)
* From "Cat:Images with unknown copyright status" :  66
 TOTAL TAGGED : 276 Files

Now the question is where to head from now, Personally I would like to
use this as a warning message and start deleting them soon (We already
threaten to do this on the Upload page for files missing License &
Source data) starting at the oldest, But I didn't look at the
uploaders closely and I know a few of them are active when I was
tagging but I know a few of them have automatic license stalemates on
their user pages and don't put license statements on their uploads
unless nudged.

So the floor is open! What course of action should we take?

-Peachey

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