Re: [Wikitech-l] LDAP extension ownership

[Chris Steipp]

On Sep 19, 2015 11:15 AM, "bawolff"  wrote:
>
> maintain is an ambiguous word. WMF has some responsibility to all the
> extensions deployed on cluster (imo). If Devunt (and any others who
> were knowledgeable of the Josa extension) disappeared, WMF would
> default to becoming responsible for the security and critical issues
> in the extension (However, I wouldn't hold them responsible for
> feature requests or minor bugs).
>
> LDAP is used on wikitech, and some similar services. It would be nice
> if teams that most directly interact with the extension (I suppose
> that's labs, maybe security) help with maintenance [Maybe they already
> do]. I don't necessarily think they have a responsibility to (beyond
> critical issues, security, etc), but if the teams in question aren't
> too busy, it is always nice to give back to projects that we use.

Ideally the security team would take on this extension. Unfortunately we
just don't have the capacity to address anything except significant
security issues right now.

>
> --
> -bawolff
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 5:25 AM, Yongmin Hong  wrote:
> > Deployed on wmf cluster does not necessarilly means wmf has to maintain
it.
> > A simple example: [[mw:Extension:Josa]]. It's maintained by 3rd party
> > developer independant from WMF. For example, (IIRC/AFAIK,) WMF has no
> > staffs with Korean knowledge.
> >
> > [[Extension:Josa]]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Josa
> >
> > --
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> > 2015. 9. 19. 오후 5:27에 "Thomas Mulhall" 님이
작성:
> >
> >> Since this is deployed on wikitech It should be maintained by Wikimedia
> >> since it is unmaintained and its better that Wikimedia maintain it
because
> >> they have more staff that can review and because they have more
experience
> >> in doing reviews and code review.
> >>
> >>
> >>  On Saturday, 19 September 2015, 8:39, Keegan Peterzell <
> >> kpeterz...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>  On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Keegan Peterzell <
> >> kpeterz...@wikimedia.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Risker  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Well, bluntly put, since LDAP is how most non-WMF staff sign into
> >> >> phabricator, I'd say it's become an essential extension.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> Even more technically, this (LDAP) is for people committing to Gerrit
and
> >> adding to Wikitech. These LDAP accounts can tie in CentralAuth through
> >> oAuth.
> >>
> >> But again, yes, LDAP should be some sort of "maintained" in the sense
that
> >> Greg G. describes, and I think it will be.
> >>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] LDAP extension ownership

[Ryan Lane]

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Chris Steipp  wrote:

> On Sep 19, 2015 11:15 AM, "bawolff"  wrote:
> >
> > maintain is an ambiguous word. WMF has some responsibility to all the
> > extensions deployed on cluster (imo). If Devunt (and any others who
> > were knowledgeable of the Josa extension) disappeared, WMF would
> > default to becoming responsible for the security and critical issues
> > in the extension (However, I wouldn't hold them responsible for
> > feature requests or minor bugs).
> >
> > LDAP is used on wikitech, and some similar services. It would be nice
> > if teams that most directly interact with the extension (I suppose
> > that's labs, maybe security) help with maintenance [Maybe they already
> > do]. I don't necessarily think they have a responsibility to (beyond
> > critical issues, security, etc), but if the teams in question aren't
> > too busy, it is always nice to give back to projects that we use.
>
> Ideally the security team would take on this extension. Unfortunately we
> just don't have the capacity to address anything except significant
> security issues right now.
>
>
For the most part, this is likely all that's needed. Security updates and
compatibility with MediaWiki. I know someone is working on an auth
framework update, so I'm sure there'll be some changes necessary for that
too.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] LDAP extension ownership

[bawolff]

maintain is an ambiguous word. WMF has some responsibility to all the
extensions deployed on cluster (imo). If Devunt (and any others who
were knowledgeable of the Josa extension) disappeared, WMF would
default to becoming responsible for the security and critical issues
in the extension (However, I wouldn't hold them responsible for
feature requests or minor bugs).

LDAP is used on wikitech, and some similar services. It would be nice
if teams that most directly interact with the extension (I suppose
that's labs, maybe security) help with maintenance [Maybe they already
do]. I don't necessarily think they have a responsibility to (beyond
critical issues, security, etc), but if the teams in question aren't
too busy, it is always nice to give back to projects that we use.

--
-bawolff

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 5:25 AM, Yongmin Hong  wrote:
> Deployed on wmf cluster does not necessarilly means wmf has to maintain it.
> A simple example: [[mw:Extension:Josa]]. It's maintained by 3rd party
> developer independant from WMF. For example, (IIRC/AFAIK,) WMF has no
> staffs with Korean knowledge.
>
> [[Extension:Josa]]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Josa
>
> --
> revi
> https://revi.me
> -- Sent from Android --
> 2015. 9. 19. 오후 5:27에 "Thomas Mulhall" 님이 작성:
>
>> Since this is deployed on wikitech It should be maintained by Wikimedia
>> since it is unmaintained and its better that Wikimedia maintain it because
>> they have more staff that can review and because they have more experience
>> in doing reviews and code review.
>>
>>
>>  On Saturday, 19 September 2015, 8:39, Keegan Peterzell <
>> kpeterz...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Keegan Peterzell <
>> kpeterz...@wikimedia.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Risker  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well, bluntly put, since LDAP is how most non-WMF staff sign into
>> >> phabricator, I'd say it's become an essential extension.
>> >>
>> >
>> Even more technically, this (LDAP) is for people committing to Gerrit and
>> adding to Wikitech. These LDAP accounts can tie in CentralAuth through
>> oAuth.
>>
>> But again, yes, LDAP should be some sort of "maintained" in the sense that
>> Greg G. describes, and I think it will be.
>>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] LDAP extension ownership

[Risker]

Well, bluntly put, since LDAP is how most non-WMF staff sign into
phabricator, I'd say it's become an essential extension.

So yeah, this one should be taken over by WMF staff.


Risker/Anne

On 18 September 2015 at 12:54, Greg Grossmeier  wrote:

> 
> > Hi maybe Wikimedia can maintain if they want to. Who ever is in charge
> of maintaining extensions for Wikimedia would you like to maintain this one
> since this extension is used at wikitech I think which is owned because
> wikitech is used to create an account for gerrit.
>
> You write that like (the) Wikimedia (Foundation) has a single mind :)
>
> There is no person in charge of maintaining extensions for Wikimedia;
> all engineering teams are managed independently (to varying degrees) and
> what they work on and maintain is an ongoing balancing act of time and
> promises.
>
> For the record: there already more than 0 extensions in use on
> WMF-hosted wikis that aren't "maintained" by WMF or otherwise actively
> maintained :)
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Extensions_used_on_Wikimedia
>
> (I hesitate to link to this page as well, because it is most likely
> always out of date and gives wrong impressions in multiple directions,
> but: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers/Maintainers ).
>
> Greg
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Re: [Wikitech-l] LDAP extension ownership

[Keegan Peterzell]

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Keegan Peterzell 
wrote:

>
> It's also possible to cross the streams. My Phabricator account was
> registered through LDAP and I registered it with CentralAuth to connect all
> the Keegans .
>
>
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/external/

If you've created through LDAP and need to attach to CA.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] LDAP extension ownership

[Keegan Peterzell]

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Keegan Peterzell 
wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Risker  wrote:
>
>> Well, bluntly put, since LDAP is how most non-WMF staff sign into
>> phabricator, I'd say it's become an essential extension.
>>
>> So yeah, this one should be taken over by WMF staff.
>>
>
> I'm welcome to correction, but I believe the opposite is true: Most
> non-WMF sign into Phabricator using CentralAuth. Many (I wouldn't say most)
> WMF accounts use LDAP.
>
> It's also possible to cross the streams. My Phabricator account was
> registered through LDAP and I registered it with CentralAuth to connect all
> the Keegans .
>
> This does not diminish Greg's point. Just sayin'.
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] LDAP extension ownership

[Thomas Mulhall]

Since this is deployed on wikitech It should be maintained by Wikimedia since 
it is unmaintained and its better that Wikimedia maintain it because they have 
more staff that can review and because they have more experience in doing 
reviews and code review. 


 On Saturday, 19 September 2015, 8:39, Keegan Peterzell 
 wrote:
   

 On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Keegan Peterzell 
wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Risker  wrote:
>
>> Well, bluntly put, since LDAP is how most non-WMF staff sign into
>> phabricator, I'd say it's become an essential extension.
>>
>
Even more technically, this (LDAP) is for people committing to Gerrit and
adding to Wikitech. These LDAP accounts can tie in CentralAuth through
oAuth.

But again, yes, LDAP should be some sort of "maintained" in the sense that
Greg G. describes, and I think it will be.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] LDAP extension ownership

[Thomas Mulhall]

Ok yes but Wikimedia currently maintains CentralAuth if not they do update the 
code and review without the author. 


 On Saturday, 19 September 2015, 9:41, Keegan Peterzell 
 wrote:
   

 On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Risker  wrote:

> Well, bluntly put, since LDAP is how most non-WMF staff sign into
> phabricator, I'd say it's become an essential extension.
>
> So yeah, this one should be taken over by WMF staff.
>

I'm welcome to correction, but I believe the opposite is true: Most non-WMF
sign into Phabricator using CentralAuth. Many (I wouldn't say most) WMF
accounts use LDAP.

It's also possible to cross the streams. My Phabricator account was
registered through LDAP and I registered it with CentralAuth to connect all
the Keegans .

This does not diminish Greg's point. Just sayin'.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] LDAP extension ownership

[Keegan Peterzell]

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Risker  wrote:

> Well, bluntly put, since LDAP is how most non-WMF staff sign into
> phabricator, I'd say it's become an essential extension.
>
> So yeah, this one should be taken over by WMF staff.
>

I'm welcome to correction, but I believe the opposite is true: Most non-WMF
sign into Phabricator using CentralAuth. Many (I wouldn't say most) WMF
accounts use LDAP.

It's also possible to cross the streams. My Phabricator account was
registered through LDAP and I registered it with CentralAuth to connect all
the Keegans .

This does not diminish Greg's point. Just sayin'.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] LDAP extension ownership

[Keegan Peterzell]

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Keegan Peterzell 
wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Risker  wrote:
>
>> Well, bluntly put, since LDAP is how most non-WMF staff sign into
>> phabricator, I'd say it's become an essential extension.
>>
>
Even more technically, this (LDAP) is for people committing to Gerrit and
adding to Wikitech. These LDAP accounts can tie in CentralAuth through
oAuth.

But again, yes, LDAP should be some sort of "maintained" in the sense that
Greg G. describes, and I think it will be.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] LDAP extension ownership

[Yongmin Hong]

Deployed on wmf cluster does not necessarilly means wmf has to maintain it.
A simple example: [[mw:Extension:Josa]]. It's maintained by 3rd party
developer independant from WMF. For example, (IIRC/AFAIK,) WMF has no
staffs with Korean knowledge.

[[Extension:Josa]]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Josa

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2015. 9. 19. 오후 5:27에 "Thomas Mulhall" 님이 작성:

> Since this is deployed on wikitech It should be maintained by Wikimedia
> since it is unmaintained and its better that Wikimedia maintain it because
> they have more staff that can review and because they have more experience
> in doing reviews and code review.
>
>
>  On Saturday, 19 September 2015, 8:39, Keegan Peterzell <
> kpeterz...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>
>  On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Keegan Peterzell <
> kpeterz...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Risker  wrote:
> >
> >> Well, bluntly put, since LDAP is how most non-WMF staff sign into
> >> phabricator, I'd say it's become an essential extension.
> >>
> >
> Even more technically, this (LDAP) is for people committing to Gerrit and
> adding to Wikitech. These LDAP accounts can tie in CentralAuth through
> oAuth.
>
> But again, yes, LDAP should be some sort of "maintained" in the sense that
> Greg G. describes, and I think it will be.
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] LDAP extension ownership

[Thomas Mulhall]

Yes but josa is currently maintained when this extension isent. 


 On Saturday, 19 September 2015, 12:25, Yongmin Hong  
wrote:
   

 Deployed on wmf cluster does not necessarilly means wmf has to maintain it. A 
simple example: [[mw:Extension:Josa]]. It's maintained by 3rd party developer 
independant from WMF. For example, (IIRC/AFAIK,) WMF has no staffs with Korean 
knowledge.[[Extension:Josa]]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Josa--
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님이 작성:

Since this is deployed on wikitech It should be maintained by Wikimedia since 
it is unmaintained and its better that Wikimedia maintain it because they have 
more staff that can review and because they have more experience in doing 
reviews and code review.


     On Saturday, 19 September 2015, 8:39, Keegan Peterzell 
 wrote:


 On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Keegan Peterzell 
wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Risker  wrote:
>
>> Well, bluntly put, since LDAP is how most non-WMF staff sign into
>> phabricator, I'd say it's become an essential extension.
>>
>
Even more technically, this (LDAP) is for people committing to Gerrit and
adding to Wikitech. These LDAP accounts can tie in CentralAuth through
oAuth.

But again, yes, LDAP should be some sort of "maintained" in the sense that
Greg G. describes, and I think it will be.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] LDAP extension ownership

[Thomas Mulhall]

Hi maybe Wikimedia can maintain if they want to. Who ever is in charge of 
maintaining extensions for Wikimedia would you like to maintain this one since 
this extension is used at wikitech I think which is owned because wikitech is 
used to create an account for gerrit. 


 On Friday, 18 September 2015, 17:20, Chris Koerner  
wrote:
   

 Ryan Lane  gmail.com> writes:

> 
> I haven't been actively maintaining the LDAP extension for MediaWiki for
> over two years. There's not really much that needs to change, but some
> basic love and care is likely a good idea. The LDAP extension is one of the
> most popular MediaWiki extensions, so it wouldn't be great if it was broken
> for long periods of time.
> 
> If anyone would like to take this extension over, please feel free.
> 
> - Ryan


Ryan, I hope you can find someone to help out. We use this extension for
our wiki's and it is in my list of 'must-have' extensions.

I put up a short blog post on mwstake
(http://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Blog_Post:27) and heralded it on social
media (https://twitter.com/ckoerner/status/644879602704248833) for what
it's worth.

I'd also suggest throwing a note up on the Extension talk page if you
haven't already. Lots of folks stop by there. :)

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Re: [Wikitech-l] LDAP extension ownership

[Greg Grossmeier]

> Hi maybe Wikimedia can maintain if they want to. Who ever is in charge of 
> maintaining extensions for Wikimedia would you like to maintain this one 
> since this extension is used at wikitech I think which is owned because 
> wikitech is used to create an account for gerrit.

You write that like (the) Wikimedia (Foundation) has a single mind :)

There is no person in charge of maintaining extensions for Wikimedia;
all engineering teams are managed independently (to varying degrees) and
what they work on and maintain is an ongoing balancing act of time and
promises.

For the record: there already more than 0 extensions in use on
WMF-hosted wikis that aren't "maintained" by WMF or otherwise actively
maintained :)
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Extensions_used_on_Wikimedia

(I hesitate to link to this page as well, because it is most likely
always out of date and gives wrong impressions in multiple directions,
but: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers/Maintainers ).

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Re: [Wikitech-l] LDAP extension ownership

[Chris Koerner]

Ryan Lane  gmail.com> writes:

> 
> I haven't been actively maintaining the LDAP extension for MediaWiki for
> over two years. There's not really much that needs to change, but some
> basic love and care is likely a good idea. The LDAP extension is one of the
> most popular MediaWiki extensions, so it wouldn't be great if it was broken
> for long periods of time.
> 
> If anyone would like to take this extension over, please feel free.
> 
> - Ryan


Ryan, I hope you can find someone to help out. We use this extension for
our wiki's and it is in my list of 'must-have' extensions.

I put up a short blog post on mwstake
(http://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Blog_Post:27) and heralded it on social
media (https://twitter.com/ckoerner/status/644879602704248833) for what
it's worth.

I'd also suggest throwing a note up on the Extension talk page if you
haven't already. Lots of folks stop by there. :)

-Chris K.


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[Wikitech-l] LDAP extension ownership

[Ryan Lane]

I haven't been actively maintaining the LDAP extension for MediaWiki for
over two years. There's not really much that needs to change, but some
basic love and care is likely a good idea. The LDAP extension is one of the
most popular MediaWiki extensions, so it wouldn't be great if it was broken
for long periods of time.

If anyone would like to take this extension over, please feel free.

- Ryan
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