Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Guillaume Paumier]

Hi,

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Chad  wrote:
>
> Awesome :) Probably also worth adding a quick box to suggest
> a rename of the page when it's imported.

Added.

> I think doing it this way
> is kind of neat, especially if there's an easy way to see all the
> content that's not been tagged yet.

I've been thinking about this, and I can't think of a way to have an
automated list that would basically be the difference between
Special:Allpages and Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Foo

Unless someone comes up with a better solution (or wants to quickly
set up a bot to maintain the list, which seems overkill), having a
list of all pages, going through them alphabetically, and -ing or
removing the pages done might be the simplest solution.

If someone wants to take a look, the script is currently at:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Robmoen/fixmeGadget.js

I've tested it on mw.o and it seems to work great, except for an
annoying bug (if someone with JS knowledge wants to fix it):
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Robmoen/fixmeGadget.js

I haven't yet been able to make it work on wikitech.wm.o (are
userscripts enabled there?)

If this makes sense, I can create the evaluation template and we can get going.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Chad]

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Guillaume Paumier
 wrote:
> Rob Moen has been working on a simple JS tool that facilitates the
> tagging process. Basically, instead of manually tagging the pages with
> a different template for each action (archive, delete, keep), there's
> a simple box that shows up at the top of the page, and you can tag the
> page with a few clicks.
>
> The goal of this tool is to allow people with expertise and/or
> authority to quickly tag the content. Once the content has been
> tagged, other people can deal with the actual move.
>
> So far the possible actions are:
> * archive
> * delete
> * keep and (optionally) expand and/or update
> The actions use radio buttons, and the options checkboxes. This list
> is just a start; if you see other or better qualifiers, we can change
> them.
>
> Do you think this would be useful, or do you prefer to stick to manual
> templating/categorizing?
>

Awesome :) Probably also worth adding a quick box to suggest
a rename of the page when it's imported. I think doing it this way
is kind of neat, especially if there's an easy way to see all the
content that's not been tagged yet.

> Also, the gadgets extension isn't currently installed on
> wikitech.wm.o. I'm not sure it's worth going through the trouble of
> installing it (would it even be compatible with the 1.17 MediaWiki
> that's running it?). Perhaps it would be simpler to just add the code
> snippet to [[MediaWiki:Vector.js]] for the duration of the cleanup?
>

Wikitech should probably be upgraded to something newer :p
Probably not worth adding Gadgets.

-Chad

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Guillaume Paumier]

Hi,

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Chad  wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Ryan Lane  wrote:
>>
>> We need to identify which documentation should and should not be
>> migrated over when it occurs, as there is a lot of documentation that
>> is old/inaccurate and should be deleted. We'd love to have some
>> community support for this, if anyone wants to help out.
>
> If we enabled wikitech as an import source for labsconsole, this process
> could get underway. I'd suggest making some new category on wikitech
> "Stuff to be moved to Labsconsole" that pages can be put in once they've
> been vetted.

Rob Moen has been working on a simple JS tool that facilitates the
tagging process. Basically, instead of manually tagging the pages with
a different template for each action (archive, delete, keep), there's
a simple box that shows up at the top of the page, and you can tag the
page with a few clicks.

The goal of this tool is to allow people with expertise and/or
authority to quickly tag the content. Once the content has been
tagged, other people can deal with the actual move.

So far the possible actions are:
* archive
* delete
* keep and (optionally) expand and/or update
The actions use radio buttons, and the options checkboxes. This list
is just a start; if you see other or better qualifiers, we can change
them.

Do you think this would be useful, or do you prefer to stick to manual
templating/categorizing?

Also, the gadgets extension isn't currently installed on
wikitech.wm.o. I'm not sure it's worth going through the trouble of
installing it (would it even be compatible with the 1.17 MediaWiki
that's running it?). Perhaps it would be simpler to just add the code
snippet to [[MediaWiki:Vector.js]] for the duration of the cleanup?

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Petr Bena]

Indeed, why we need to separate it? We should separate docs for
applications, for server configuration and such, categories are fine
to do that. But there is no need to separate wmf projects and
community projects.

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:05 AM, Ryan Lane  wrote:
>> Namespaces are usually a pain in the ass. Sj's post on the subject:
>> > 6&oldid=3657294#Separating_the_wheat_from_the_chaff>.
>>
>> From his post: "... but that would address many of the reasons that people
>> fragment what are otherwise sensible critical-mass communities or projects
>> into multiple beautiful-but-subcritical communities which fade over time."
>>
>
> I don't think we need namespaces. I definitely don't think we need
> multiple wikis, though. The best part about a wiki is that if we
> figure out we did it wrong, we can change it.
>
> - Ryan
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Ryan Lane]

> Namespaces are usually a pain in the ass. Sj's post on the subject:
>  6&oldid=3657294#Separating_the_wheat_from_the_chaff>.
>
> From his post: "... but that would address many of the reasons that people
> fragment what are otherwise sensible critical-mass communities or projects
> into multiple beautiful-but-subcritical communities which fade over time."
>

I don't think we need namespaces. I definitely don't think we need
multiple wikis, though. The best part about a wiki is that if we
figure out we did it wrong, we can change it.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[MZMcBride]

Chad wrote:
> I agree with Petr, I see no reason to put them on different wikis.
> Namespaces are cheap.

Namespaces are usually a pain in the ass. Sj's post on the subject:
.

>From his post: "... but that would address many of the reasons that people
fragment what are otherwise sensible critical-mass communities or projects
into multiple beautiful-but-subcritical communities which fade over time."

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Chad]

I agree with Petr, I see no reason to put them on different wikis.
Namespaces are cheap.

-Chad
On Jun 7, 2012 11:20 AM, "Petr Bena"  wrote:

> I don't understand why? Wikitech is a perfect place for bots
> documentation as well, especially when it comes to large bots operated
> by many people, these needs to have documentation so that they can be
> overtaken by someone else in case the original person who launched
> bot, doesn't have a time to maintain it.
>
> Why should it be for foundation only projects?
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Krinkle  wrote:
> > On Jun 7, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Ryan Lane wrote:
> >
> >>> I'm not sure if it makes sense to have the Labs/OpenStack/Nova
> management
> >>> interface on this same "new wikitech" wiki though. This means that all
> the
> >>> community projects running inside labs will/might use this same wiki
> to document
> >>> their internal structure - which can (and should be) a lot of projects
> that are
> >>> not Wikimedia engineering projects.
> >>>
> >>> Documentation for labs as being a Wikimedia project makes sense, but
> the actual
> >>> projects inside and management maybe don't fit well inside the new
> wikitech. I
> >>> like that of the labsconsole.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Do you mean they aren't *staff* engineering projects? Labs is meant to
> >> be a stepping stone. For most projects, the idea is that people will
> >> implement something in Labs and it'll get moved into production. The
> >> documentation for that project will then be the documentation for Labs
> >> and production.
> >>
> >> One of the biggest reasons I wanted to merge the wikis is because I
> >> feel that volunteer operations engineers should be documenting their
> >> infrastructure changes in the same place as staff operations
> >> engineers.
> >>
> >> - Ryan
> >
> > No, that's not what I meant.
> >
> > Contributions (from whomever) to for example the production cluster
> puppets (through gerrit), that may have an RFC on wikitechwiki ahead of
> time sounds awesome. Stuff can be proposed by whomever, and then
> implemented by whomever. Then tested in labs and merged/pushed to
> production.
> >
> > I was refering to projects that will not be foundation engineering
> projects, or at least do not intend to be that.
> >
> > *cut 2 paragraphs*
> >
> > ...when trying to come up with examples, it turns out that those
> examples   (Tool-Labs: early extension development, bot hosting, slow-query
> tools, ..) probably wouldn't put their documentation on either wikitech or
> labsconsole, so nevermind.
> >
> > -- Krinkle
> >
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Petr Bena]

I wanted to say "volunteer projects" which are affiliated with various
wikimedia projects

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Petr Bena  wrote:
> There is a difference between wikimedia projects which are somehow
> related to wikimedia projects, and foundation projects which are
> funded by foundation. But this difference is only about people and
> money, so why should we have a different wiki for that
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Petr Bena  wrote:
>> I don't understand why? Wikitech is a perfect place for bots
>> documentation as well, especially when it comes to large bots operated
>> by many people, these needs to have documentation so that they can be
>> overtaken by someone else in case the original person who launched
>> bot, doesn't have a time to maintain it.
>>
>> Why should it be for foundation only projects?
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Krinkle  wrote:
>>> On Jun 7, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Ryan Lane wrote:
>>>
> I'm not sure if it makes sense to have the Labs/OpenStack/Nova management
> interface on this same "new wikitech" wiki though. This means that all the
> community projects running inside labs will/might use this same wiki to 
> document
> their internal structure - which can (and should be) a lot of projects 
> that are
> not Wikimedia engineering projects.
>
> Documentation for labs as being a Wikimedia project makes sense, but the 
> actual
> projects inside and management maybe don't fit well inside the new 
> wikitech. I
> like that of the labsconsole.
>

 Do you mean they aren't *staff* engineering projects? Labs is meant to
 be a stepping stone. For most projects, the idea is that people will
 implement something in Labs and it'll get moved into production. The
 documentation for that project will then be the documentation for Labs
 and production.

 One of the biggest reasons I wanted to merge the wikis is because I
 feel that volunteer operations engineers should be documenting their
 infrastructure changes in the same place as staff operations
 engineers.

 - Ryan
>>>
>>> No, that's not what I meant.
>>>
>>> Contributions (from whomever) to for example the production cluster puppets 
>>> (through gerrit), that may have an RFC on wikitechwiki ahead of time sounds 
>>> awesome. Stuff can be proposed by whomever, and then implemented by 
>>> whomever. Then tested in labs and merged/pushed to production.
>>>
>>> I was refering to projects that will not be foundation engineering 
>>> projects, or at least do not intend to be that.
>>>
>>> *cut 2 paragraphs*
>>>
>>> ...when trying to come up with examples, it turns out that those examples   
>>> (Tool-Labs: early extension development, bot hosting, slow-query tools, ..) 
>>> probably wouldn't put their documentation on either wikitech or 
>>> labsconsole, so nevermind.
>>>
>>> -- Krinkle
>>>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Petr Bena]

There is a difference between wikimedia projects which are somehow
related to wikimedia projects, and foundation projects which are
funded by foundation. But this difference is only about people and
money, so why should we have a different wiki for that

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Petr Bena  wrote:
> I don't understand why? Wikitech is a perfect place for bots
> documentation as well, especially when it comes to large bots operated
> by many people, these needs to have documentation so that they can be
> overtaken by someone else in case the original person who launched
> bot, doesn't have a time to maintain it.
>
> Why should it be for foundation only projects?
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Krinkle  wrote:
>> On Jun 7, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Ryan Lane wrote:
>>
 I'm not sure if it makes sense to have the Labs/OpenStack/Nova management
 interface on this same "new wikitech" wiki though. This means that all the
 community projects running inside labs will/might use this same wiki to 
 document
 their internal structure - which can (and should be) a lot of projects 
 that are
 not Wikimedia engineering projects.

 Documentation for labs as being a Wikimedia project makes sense, but the 
 actual
 projects inside and management maybe don't fit well inside the new 
 wikitech. I
 like that of the labsconsole.

>>>
>>> Do you mean they aren't *staff* engineering projects? Labs is meant to
>>> be a stepping stone. For most projects, the idea is that people will
>>> implement something in Labs and it'll get moved into production. The
>>> documentation for that project will then be the documentation for Labs
>>> and production.
>>>
>>> One of the biggest reasons I wanted to merge the wikis is because I
>>> feel that volunteer operations engineers should be documenting their
>>> infrastructure changes in the same place as staff operations
>>> engineers.
>>>
>>> - Ryan
>>
>> No, that's not what I meant.
>>
>> Contributions (from whomever) to for example the production cluster puppets 
>> (through gerrit), that may have an RFC on wikitechwiki ahead of time sounds 
>> awesome. Stuff can be proposed by whomever, and then implemented by 
>> whomever. Then tested in labs and merged/pushed to production.
>>
>> I was refering to projects that will not be foundation engineering projects, 
>> or at least do not intend to be that.
>>
>> *cut 2 paragraphs*
>>
>> ...when trying to come up with examples, it turns out that those examples   
>> (Tool-Labs: early extension development, bot hosting, slow-query tools, ..) 
>> probably wouldn't put their documentation on either wikitech or labsconsole, 
>> so nevermind.
>>
>> -- Krinkle
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Petr Bena]

I don't understand why? Wikitech is a perfect place for bots
documentation as well, especially when it comes to large bots operated
by many people, these needs to have documentation so that they can be
overtaken by someone else in case the original person who launched
bot, doesn't have a time to maintain it.

Why should it be for foundation only projects?

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Krinkle  wrote:
> On Jun 7, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Ryan Lane wrote:
>
>>> I'm not sure if it makes sense to have the Labs/OpenStack/Nova management
>>> interface on this same "new wikitech" wiki though. This means that all the
>>> community projects running inside labs will/might use this same wiki to 
>>> document
>>> their internal structure - which can (and should be) a lot of projects that 
>>> are
>>> not Wikimedia engineering projects.
>>>
>>> Documentation for labs as being a Wikimedia project makes sense, but the 
>>> actual
>>> projects inside and management maybe don't fit well inside the new 
>>> wikitech. I
>>> like that of the labsconsole.
>>>
>>
>> Do you mean they aren't *staff* engineering projects? Labs is meant to
>> be a stepping stone. For most projects, the idea is that people will
>> implement something in Labs and it'll get moved into production. The
>> documentation for that project will then be the documentation for Labs
>> and production.
>>
>> One of the biggest reasons I wanted to merge the wikis is because I
>> feel that volunteer operations engineers should be documenting their
>> infrastructure changes in the same place as staff operations
>> engineers.
>>
>> - Ryan
>
> No, that's not what I meant.
>
> Contributions (from whomever) to for example the production cluster puppets 
> (through gerrit), that may have an RFC on wikitechwiki ahead of time sounds 
> awesome. Stuff can be proposed by whomever, and then implemented by whomever. 
> Then tested in labs and merged/pushed to production.
>
> I was refering to projects that will not be foundation engineering projects, 
> or at least do not intend to be that.
>
> *cut 2 paragraphs*
>
> ...when trying to come up with examples, it turns out that those examples   
> (Tool-Labs: early extension development, bot hosting, slow-query tools, ..) 
> probably wouldn't put their documentation on either wikitech or labsconsole, 
> so nevermind.
>
> -- Krinkle
>
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Krinkle]

On Jun 7, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Ryan Lane wrote:

>> I'm not sure if it makes sense to have the Labs/OpenStack/Nova management
>> interface on this same "new wikitech" wiki though. This means that all the
>> community projects running inside labs will/might use this same wiki to 
>> document
>> their internal structure - which can (and should be) a lot of projects that 
>> are
>> not Wikimedia engineering projects.
>> 
>> Documentation for labs as being a Wikimedia project makes sense, but the 
>> actual
>> projects inside and management maybe don't fit well inside the new wikitech. 
>> I
>> like that of the labsconsole.
>> 
> 
> Do you mean they aren't *staff* engineering projects? Labs is meant to
> be a stepping stone. For most projects, the idea is that people will
> implement something in Labs and it'll get moved into production. The
> documentation for that project will then be the documentation for Labs
> and production.
> 
> One of the biggest reasons I wanted to merge the wikis is because I
> feel that volunteer operations engineers should be documenting their
> infrastructure changes in the same place as staff operations
> engineers.
> 
> - Ryan

No, that's not what I meant.

Contributions (from whomever) to for example the production cluster puppets 
(through gerrit), that may have an RFC on wikitechwiki ahead of time sounds 
awesome. Stuff can be proposed by whomever, and then implemented by whomever. 
Then tested in labs and merged/pushed to production.

I was refering to projects that will not be foundation engineering projects, or 
at least do not intend to be that.

*cut 2 paragraphs*

...when trying to come up with examples, it turns out that those examples   
(Tool-Labs: early extension development, bot hosting, slow-query tools, ..) 
probably wouldn't put their documentation on either wikitech or labsconsole, so 
nevermind.

-- Krinkle


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Ryan Lane]

> I'm not sure if it makes sense to have the Labs/OpenStack/Nova management
> interface on this same "new wikitech" wiki though. This means that all the
> community projects running inside labs will/might use this same wiki to 
> document
> their internal structure - which can (and should be) a lot of projects that 
> are
> not Wikimedia engineering projects.
>
> Documentation for labs as being a Wikimedia project makes sense, but the 
> actual
> projects inside and management maybe don't fit well inside the new wikitech. I
> like that of the labsconsole.
>

Do you mean they aren't *staff* engineering projects? Labs is meant to
be a stepping stone. For most projects, the idea is that people will
implement something in Labs and it'll get moved into production. The
documentation for that project will then be the documentation for Labs
and production.

One of the biggest reasons I wanted to merge the wikis is because I
feel that volunteer operations engineers should be documenting their
infrastructure changes in the same place as staff operations
engineers.

- Ryan

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Thehelpfulone]

On 7 June 2012 00:08, Krinkle  wrote:

> Also, a general note: Beware that you doesn't confuse "beta" with
> "Wikimedia
> Labs". "beta" is one of many projects hosted inside the Labs environment.
> The
> "beta" project is a virtual clone of the production cluster. Any
> documentation
> regarding beta will become obsolete as soon as it has completed in
> reproducing
> the production cluster (in which case the wikitech docs are all that is
> relevant, and any minor details specific to the application of it within
> beta
> fit on a small page[1] in labsconsole).
>

And to confuse you even more, the "beta" project is actually called
"deployment-prep" on Labs Console -
https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Deployment-prep. But
hey, who said this was easy? ;-)
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Krinkle]

There's been some conversation about this in the past (not sure which mailing
list). Yes, we should definitly centralize documentation about these into one
wiki:

* Documentation of production cluster (e.g. 'fenari', 'srv###', 'db###',
upload/scalers, squids etc. )
* Wikimedia engineering projects (status updates, team members etc.)
* Workflow for operations (how to deploy, how to use puppet, ...)
* ..

There are split over labsconsole, wikitech, metawiki and mediawikiwiki.

I'm not sure if it makes sense to have the Labs/OpenStack/Nova management
interface on this same "new wikitech" wiki though. This means that all the
community projects running inside labs will/might use this same wiki to document
their internal structure - which can (and should be) a lot of projects that are
not Wikimedia engineering projects.

Documentation for labs as being a Wikimedia project makes sense, but the actual
projects inside and management maybe don't fit well inside the new wikitech. I
like that of the labsconsole.

Also, a general note: Beware that you doesn't confuse "beta" with "Wikimedia
Labs". "beta" is one of many projects hosted inside the Labs environment. The
"beta" project is a virtual clone of the production cluster. Any documentation
regarding beta will become obsolete as soon as it has completed in reproducing
the production cluster (in which case the wikitech docs are all that is
relevant, and any minor details specific to the application of it within beta
fit on a small page[1] in labsconsole).

-- Krinkle

[1] simpel pages such as https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployment/Help
although probably under a different name.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Ryan Lane]

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Petr Bena  wrote:
> Ok, if there is any stuff that can be done on wikitech like
> categorization of pages etc I could help with that, but otherwise I
> have no idea how I could be useful on that wiki, I have barely any
> knowledge of production. What exactly did you mean by community
> support
>

Tagging of the content, importing, etc.

- Ryan

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Petr Bena]

Ok, if there is any stuff that can be done on wikitech like
categorization of pages etc I could help with that, but otherwise I
have no idea how I could be useful on that wiki, I have barely any
knowledge of production. What exactly did you mean by community
support

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Ryan Lane  wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Petr Bena  wrote:
>> I'd be happy to help, however wikitech is restricted wiki, so I guess
>> I can't really help there, anyway I think it would be best if current
>> wikitech was kept for historical purposes, and in case we forgot to
>> move something you could find it in, wikitech-historical.wikimedia.org
>> or similar url
>>
>
> Well, it doesn't allow self-registration to combat spam. We can create
> accounts as necessary.
>
> - Ryan
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Ryan Lane]

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Petr Bena  wrote:
> I'd be happy to help, however wikitech is restricted wiki, so I guess
> I can't really help there, anyway I think it would be best if current
> wikitech was kept for historical purposes, and in case we forgot to
> move something you could find it in, wikitech-historical.wikimedia.org
> or similar url
>

Well, it doesn't allow self-registration to combat spam. We can create
accounts as necessary.

- Ryan

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Petr Bena]

I'd be happy to help, however wikitech is restricted wiki, so I guess
I can't really help there, anyway I think it would be best if current
wikitech was kept for historical purposes, and in case we forgot to
move something you could find it in, wikitech-historical.wikimedia.org
or similar url

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Chad  wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Ryan Lane  wrote:
>>> I heard that there was a plan to merge these wikis to one central wiki
>>> for technical documentation for various projects on wikimedia, what is
>>> the current status of that? Are we going to merge it to labsconsole,
>>> or to wikitech? There are some services atm running on labs and
>>> documentation is all around, it would be really nice to have a one
>>> place for this all. Put all the documentations for software from meta,
>>> mediawiki, english wikipedia and labsconsole and wikitech to some
>>> central "tech" wiki.
>>>
>>
>> Yes. There's a plan to do so. We'd merge wikitech into labsconsole,
>> but we'll likely rename labsconsole to wikitech (and of course add a
>> redirect, so that old links continue to work). We'll also have a
>> wikitech-static mirror, which similar to wikitech now, will be offsite
>> and can be used for reference if the cluster is down.
>>
>> We need to identify which documentation should and should not be
>> migrated over when it occurs, as there is a lot of documentation that
>> is old/inaccurate and should be deleted. We'd love to have some
>> community support for this, if anyone wants to help out.
>>
>
> If we enabled wikitech as an import source for labsconsole, this process
> could get underway. I'd suggest making some new category on wikitech
> "Stuff to be moved to Labsconsole" that pages can be put in once they've
> been vetted.
>
> -Chad
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Chad]

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Ryan Lane  wrote:
>> I heard that there was a plan to merge these wikis to one central wiki
>> for technical documentation for various projects on wikimedia, what is
>> the current status of that? Are we going to merge it to labsconsole,
>> or to wikitech? There are some services atm running on labs and
>> documentation is all around, it would be really nice to have a one
>> place for this all. Put all the documentations for software from meta,
>> mediawiki, english wikipedia and labsconsole and wikitech to some
>> central "tech" wiki.
>>
>
> Yes. There's a plan to do so. We'd merge wikitech into labsconsole,
> but we'll likely rename labsconsole to wikitech (and of course add a
> redirect, so that old links continue to work). We'll also have a
> wikitech-static mirror, which similar to wikitech now, will be offsite
> and can be used for reference if the cluster is down.
>
> We need to identify which documentation should and should not be
> migrated over when it occurs, as there is a lot of documentation that
> is old/inaccurate and should be deleted. We'd love to have some
> community support for this, if anyone wants to help out.
>

If we enabled wikitech as an import source for labsconsole, this process
could get underway. I'd suggest making some new category on wikitech
"Stuff to be moved to Labsconsole" that pages can be put in once they've
been vetted.

-Chad

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Ryan Lane]

> I heard that there was a plan to merge these wikis to one central wiki
> for technical documentation for various projects on wikimedia, what is
> the current status of that? Are we going to merge it to labsconsole,
> or to wikitech? There are some services atm running on labs and
> documentation is all around, it would be really nice to have a one
> place for this all. Put all the documentations for software from meta,
> mediawiki, english wikipedia and labsconsole and wikitech to some
> central "tech" wiki.
>

Yes. There's a plan to do so. We'd merge wikitech into labsconsole,
but we'll likely rename labsconsole to wikitech (and of course add a
redirect, so that old links continue to work). We'll also have a
wikitech-static mirror, which similar to wikitech now, will be offsite
and can be used for reference if the cluster is down.

We need to identify which documentation should and should not be
migrated over when it occurs, as there is a lot of documentation that
is old/inaccurate and should be deleted. We'd love to have some
community support for this, if anyone wants to help out.

- Ryan

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[Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

[Petr Bena]

Hi,

I heard that there was a plan to merge these wikis to one central wiki
for technical documentation for various projects on wikimedia, what is
the current status of that? Are we going to merge it to labsconsole,
or to wikitech? There are some services atm running on labs and
documentation is all around, it would be really nice to have a one
place for this all. Put all the documentations for software from meta,
mediawiki, english wikipedia and labsconsole and wikitech to some
central "tech" wiki.

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