[Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-18 Thread Raul Kern 
Hi,

how to add facebook like box to chapters mediawiki homepage:
http://et.wikimedia.org


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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-18 Thread MZMcBride 
Raul Kern wrote:
> how to add facebook like box to chapters mediawiki homepage:
> http://et.wikimedia.org

The "like" button is usually added with an  HTML element. I suppose
it would be simple enough to create this element in JavaScript (in
MediaWiki:Common.js) and then have it inserted on the Main Page (or
wherever).

The bigger concern would be whether doing so is acceptable under the
Wikimedia Foundation's privacy policy. I'm not sure how much data is
transferred simply by users loading an iframe from another site or what
other risks there might be from doing so.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-18 Thread Svip 
On 18 April 2011 20:27, MZMcBride  wrote:

> Raul Kern wrote:
>
>> how to add facebook like box to chapters mediawiki homepage:
>> http://et.wikimedia.org
>
> The "like" button is usually added with an  HTML element. I suppose
> it would be simple enough to create this element in JavaScript (in
> MediaWiki:Common.js) and then have it inserted on the Main Page (or
> wherever).
>
> The bigger concern would be whether doing so is acceptable under the
> Wikimedia Foundation's privacy policy. I'm not sure how much data is
> transferred simply by users loading an iframe from another site or what
> other risks there might be from doing so.

Or the fact that Facebook Like-buttons are popping up everywhere, and
I hope they won't on WMFs wikis.  Great, you liked enwiki's article on
turtles!

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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-18 Thread Roan Kattouw 
2011/4/18 MZMcBride :
> The bigger concern would be whether doing so is acceptable under the
> Wikimedia Foundation's privacy policy. I'm not sure how much data is
> transferred simply by users loading an iframe from another site or what
> other risks there might be from doing so.
>
Presumably it'll pass a referer header, which means the 3rd-party site
would know who (IP and account, if they have one on their site, like
on Facebook) visited which Wikipedia page when. I'm not very familiar
with the privacy policy, but I'm pretty sure this is shady at the very
least.

Roan Kattouw (Catrope)

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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-18 Thread Jay Ashworth 
- Original Message -
> From: "Roan Kattouw" 

> Presumably it'll pass a referer header, which means the 3rd-party site
> would know who (IP and account, if they have one on their site, like
> on Facebook) visited which Wikipedia page when. I'm not very familiar
> with the privacy policy, but I'm pretty sure this is shady at the very
> least.

If Wikipedia or any other WMF sites deploy anything remotely related to
Facebook, be it Instant Personalization, or even anything slightly less 
intrusive, then I'm gone, both as a reader and an editor, and I'm pretty
sure I wouldn't be alone in that opinion.  Mission creep is alive and well
at Facebook.

Papa *spank*.

Cheers,
-- jra

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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-18 Thread Platonides 
Svip wrote:
> On 18 April 2011 20:27, MZMcBride  wrote:
> 
>> Raul Kern wrote:
>>
>>> how to add facebook like box to chapters mediawiki homepage:
>>> http://et.wikimedia.org
>>
>> The "like" button is usually added with an  HTML element. I suppose
>> it would be simple enough to create this element in JavaScript (in
>> MediaWiki:Common.js) and then have it inserted on the Main Page (or
>> wherever).
>>
>> The bigger concern would be whether doing so is acceptable under the
>> Wikimedia Foundation's privacy policy. I'm not sure how much data is
>> transferred simply by users loading an iframe from another site or what
>> other risks there might be from doing so.
> 
> Or the fact that Facebook Like-buttons are popping up everywhere, and
> I hope they won't on WMFs wikis.  Great, you liked enwiki's article on
> turtles!

It's a chapter wiki so it gets a bit borderline.
I hate those "like" buttons, though.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-18 Thread River Tarnell 
In article ,
MZMcBride   wrote:
> Raul Kern wrote:
> > how to add facebook like box to chapters mediawiki homepage:
> > http://et.wikimedia.org
[...]
> The bigger concern would be whether doing so is acceptable under the
> Wikimedia Foundation's privacy policy. I'm not sure how much data is
> transferred simply by users loading an iframe from another site or what
> other risks there might be from doing so.

My understanding is that merely displaying the "Like" button allows
Facebook to track the browsing of anyone who visits the page, whether
they have a Facebook account or not.

While I'm sure Facebook is a lovely company that has only its users'
best interests at heart, it is probably a good idea not to enable
third-party user tracking services on Wikimedia websites, as a matter of
principle if nothing else.

- river.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-18 Thread Raul Kern 
2011/4/19 River Tarnell :
> In article ,
> MZMcBride   wrote:
>> Raul Kern wrote:
>> > how to add facebook like box to chapters mediawiki homepage:
>> > http://et.wikimedia.org
> [...]
>> The bigger concern would be whether doing so is acceptable under the
>> Wikimedia Foundation's privacy policy. I'm not sure how much data is
>> transferred simply by users loading an iframe from another site or what
>> other risks there might be from doing so.
>
> My understanding is that merely displaying the "Like" button allows
> Facebook to track the browsing of anyone who visits the page, whether
> they have a Facebook account or not.
>
> While I'm sure Facebook is a lovely company that has only its users'
> best interests at heart, it is probably a good idea not to enable
> third-party user tracking services on Wikimedia websites, as a matter of
> principle if nothing else.
>
>        - river.
>

So it's better to find other hosting provider for chapters web site?

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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-18 Thread MZMcBride 
Raul Kern wrote:
> 2011/4/19 River Tarnell :
>> My understanding is that merely displaying the "Like" button allows
>> Facebook to track the browsing of anyone who visits the page, whether
>> they have a Facebook account or not.
>> 
>> While I'm sure Facebook is a lovely company that has only its users'
>> best interests at heart, it is probably a good idea not to enable
>> third-party user tracking services on Wikimedia websites, as a matter of
>> principle if nothing else.
> 
> So it's better to find other hosting provider for chapters web site?

I think it's better to just not use a "like" button. :-)

You can have passive "share" links instead, though. For example:
.

The chapter sites being hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation makes sense,
mostly as the Wikimedia Foundation is fairly familiar with how to manage and
maintain websites. If it's analytics that you want, that's being worked on
(as far as I'm aware): .

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-18 Thread Brandon Harris 


On 4/18/11 10:32 PM, Raul Kern wrote:
>
> So it's better to find other hosting provider for chapters web site?

I don't have an answer for this other than to say "using Facebook 
'like' buttons is absolutely a violation of the WMF privacy policy" so 
they cannot be used on WMF wikis.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-18 Thread Tim Starling 
On 19/04/11 15:32, Raul Kern wrote:
> So it's better to find other hosting provider for chapters web site?

A lot of chapters have their own hosting. Part of the reason is so
that they can set their own website policies without any interference
from the Foundation. It's a reasonable solution.

For example, Wikimedia Israel has a Facebook "like" button, and
Wikimedia Russia, Wikimedia France and Wikimedia Portugal have Google
Analytics, all without JRA quitting.

-- Tim Starling


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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-18 Thread Christophe Henner 
Sorry for top posting but what is JRA quitting ?

Christophe
Envoye depuis mon Blackberry

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Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

On 19/04/11 15:32, Raul Kern wrote:
> So it's better to find other hosting provider for chapters web site?

A lot of chapters have their own hosting. Part of the reason is so
that they can set their own website policies without any interference
from the Foundation. It's a reasonable solution.

For example, Wikimedia Israel has a Facebook "like" button, and
Wikimedia Russia, Wikimedia France and Wikimedia Portugal have Google
Analytics, all without JRA quitting.

-- Tim Starling


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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-18 Thread River Tarnell 
In article ,
Raul Kern   wrote:
> > My understanding is that merely displaying the "Like" button allows
> > Facebook to track the browsing of anyone who visits the page, whether
> > they have a Facebook account or not.
> So it's better to find other hosting provider for chapters web site?

If you think having a "like" button is more important than your users' 
privacy, then yes.

- river.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-18 Thread MZMcBride 
Christophe Henner wrote:
> Tim Starling wrote:
>> For example, Wikimedia Israel has a Facebook "like" button, and
>> Wikimedia Russia, Wikimedia France and Wikimedia Portugal have Google
>> Analytics, all without JRA quitting.
> 
> Sorry for top posting but what is JRA quitting ?

It was a reference to
.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-18 Thread K. Peachey 
I haven't quite looked back to the discussions, but couldn't you have
the extension load a local icon/image for the button and then manually
construct the url to be clicked in the same style that the wikinews
does their template?

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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-18 Thread Ashar Voultoiz 
On 18/04/11 10:51, Raul Kern wrote:
> how to add facebook like box to chapters mediawiki homepage:
> http://et.wikimedia.org

You should not add this kind of facebook button on the WMF website. It 
is a breach in private life since it tells facebook which website you 
are browsing.

-- 
Ashar Voultoiz


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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-18 Thread Max Semenik 
On 19.04.2011, 10:24 K. wrote:

> I haven't quite looked back to the discussions, but couldn't you have
> the extension load a local icon/image for the button and then manually
> construct the url to be clicked in the same style that the wikinews
> does their template?

Then it would violate the free content doctrine, unles you manage to
convince FB to release their button images under a free license :P

-- 
Best regards,
  Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]])


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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-18 Thread K. Peachey 
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Max Semenik  wrote:
> Then it would violate the free content doctrine, unles you manage to
> convince FB to release their button images under a free license :P
>
> --
> Best regards,
>  Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]])
Commons has http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Facebook.svg, and i
doubt a white F in a blue box would even reach any where near the
creativity threshold required for copyright.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-19 Thread Daniel Kinzler 
On 19.04.2011 08:34, Ashar Voultoiz wrote:
> You should not add this kind of facebook button on the WMF website. It 
> is a breach in private life since it tells facebook which website you 
> are browsing.

...even if you do not click it!

-- daniel

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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-19 Thread David Gerard 
On 18 April 2011 09:51, Raul Kern  wrote:

> how to add facebook like box to chapters mediawiki homepage:
> http://et.wikimedia.org


Wikinews has a social networking template that (presumably) passes
privacy muster:

  http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Template:Social_bookmarks

This works with some JavaScript, I'm not sure of the details. But the
important thing is that it doesn't tell Facebook anything more than
that you came to Facebook from the page you're posting to Facebook
about.

Is there a way to make something like this that WMF sites can use more
generally, without each individual site having to rebuild it
themselves by hand?


- d.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-19 Thread Jay Ashworth 
- Original Message -
> From: "Tim Starling" 

> On 19/04/11 15:32, Raul Kern wrote:
> > So it's better to find other hosting provider for chapters web site?
> 
> A lot of chapters have their own hosting. Part of the reason is so
> that they can set their own website policies without any interference
> from the Foundation. It's a reasonable solution.
> 
> For example, Wikimedia Israel has a Facebook "like" button, and
> Wikimedia Russia, Wikimedia France and Wikimedia Portugal have Google
> Analytics, all without JRA quitting.



The issue is still real, though, Tim, even if you don't minimize it to
a snark at me.  No one's going to cry if I stop editing... but I am not
by any means the only person unhappy with the behaviour of Facebook;
hell, Aaron Sorkin got an Oscar for dramatizing why you *should* be
concerned about it.

And they're a very large private corporation, resorting to financial
subterfuge to *continue* to stay private; I see no reason WMF should 
commingle its destiny with theirs.

Cheers,
-- jra

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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-19 Thread Tisza Gergő 
Max Semenik  gmail.com> writes:

> 
> On 19.04.2011, 10:24 K. wrote:
> 
> > I haven't quite looked back to the discussions, but couldn't you have
> > the extension load a local icon/image for the button and then manually
> > construct the url to be clicked in the same style that the wikinews
> > does their template?
> 
> Then it would violate the free content doctrine, unles you manage to
> convince FB to release their button images under a free license :P

Actually it would be a plain copyright violation (and quite possibly some sort 
of trademark violation too); Facebook terms of use do not allow modifying the 
looks or behavior of the Like button in any way.

Also worth noting that chapters participating in the fundraiser and receiving 
traffic from the fundraiser banners must have a privacy policy compatible with 
that of the WMF, which probably means no Like buttons (for the duration of the 
fundraiser, at least).

Other than that, though, I don't think arbitrary cultural standards should be 
imposed on self-hosted chapter homepages. It is their job to decide whether 
their readers would be happy about some data about their browsing being shared 
with Facebook, and they can probably do a better job about it than a random 
group of wikitech-l posters most of whom don't even speak the language.

I also do not see why being hosted by WMF would make any difference. Users 
might 
have a reasonable expectation to be protected by the WMF privacy policy while 
they are on a *.wikimedia.org domain, but if the site is hosted under some 
other 
domain name, there is no reason to enforce WMF policy.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-19 Thread bawolff 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 13:01:27 +0100
> From: David Gerard 
> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki
> To: Wikimedia developers 
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On 18 April 2011 09:51, Raul Kern  wrote:
>
> > how to add facebook like box to chapters mediawiki homepage:
> > http://et.wikimedia.org
>
>
> Wikinews has a social networking template that (presumably) passes
> privacy muster:
>
> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Template:Social_bookmarks
>
> This works with some JavaScript, I'm not sure of the details. But the
> important thing is that it doesn't tell Facebook anything more than
> that you came to Facebook from the page you're posting to Facebook
> about.
>
[...]
>
>
> - d.

That's correct. It only uses JS to make shorter links (
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/?curid=1234 style) for twitter.
No data is passed to facebook. Its just an image that's hyperlinked in essence.

-bawolff

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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-21 Thread Domas Mituzas 
> hell, Aaron Sorkin got an Oscar for dramatizing why you *should* be
> concerned about it.

"Alien" and "Aliens" both won Oscars too.
You *should* be concerned about aliens.

Cheers,
Domas

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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-21 Thread David Gerard 
On 21 April 2011 23:06, Domas Mituzas  wrote:

>> hell, Aaron Sorkin got an Oscar for dramatizing why you *should* be
>> concerned about it.

> "Alien" and "Aliens" both won Oscars too.
> You *should* be concerned about aliens.


ZOMG DOMAS IS WORKING FOR TEH ALIENS!!!1!one!


- d.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] facebook like box in mediawiki

2011-04-21 Thread Domas Mituzas 
> ZOMG DOMAS IS WORKING FOR TEH ALIENS!!!1!one!

Careful, I can plan an Inception for you all to believe that privacy
policy is bad idea, after I stop hunting dolphins in the cove, of
course in my human avatar.

Domas

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