Re: [Wikitech-l] FYI : Commons thumbnails slow
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Magnus Manske wrote: > > (here I am again, throwing tech solutions at social problems...) > The non-technical solution would be for wikitech-l/#wikimedia-tech regulars to start poking people at IRC when error reports come in on the mailing list. The nice thing about this is that people are pretty good at noise filtering. Bryan ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] FYI : Commons thumbnails slow
Magnus Manske wrote:
> As I wrote in my earlier mail, posting "each new thread subject", that
> is, when a new thread gets started, on IRC. That would be, what, five
> new threads per day on average? The channel must be very quiet indeed,
> if that's considered spam :-)
It'd likely be a lot more than five if it were the encouraged form of error
reporting. There are the (pre-existing) users of this mailing list to
consider as well. When you add a bunch of noise ("site down", "site down 2",
"re: site down 2" [it was just my connection lol]), you drown out the
signal. Obviously when _you_ report an issue, it holds a lot more weight
than if anyone who can figure out how a mailing list works reports an issue.
MZMcBride
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Re: [Wikitech-l] FYI : Commons thumbnails slow
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:17 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > Krinkle wrote: >> There's a bot in #wikimedia-toolserver reporting activity on [toolserver-l], >> I'll see if I can get a similar thing going for [wikitech-l]. In which >> channel >> would we want this though ? >> >> I assume #wikimedia-tech although, like Ryan said about dev/ops related, >> perhaps better in #wikimedia-dev (or both?) > > I run the bot you're talking about in #wikimedia-toolserver. Her name is > Reba and she's a fine and mostly reliable lady. > > I don't imagine anyone wants a bot in #wikimedia-tech or #wikimedia-dev. > It's noisy and largely pointless (spamming every reply to a thread about > threatening to rewrite the parser to an IRC channel doesn't help anything or > anyone). We need a better system for (power-)users to report site problems. > Something that doesn't involve a mailing list, but something that likely has > an IRC component (given that most of the ops idle there). A clean web UI --> > IRC system could possibly work, but any system like that is open to abuse > and misuse. As I wrote in my earlier mail, posting "each new thread subject", that is, when a new thread gets started, on IRC. That would be, what, five new threads per day on average? The channel must be very quiet indeed, if that's considered spam :-) Cheers, Magnus ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] FYI : Commons thumbnails slow
Krinkle wrote: > There's a bot in #wikimedia-toolserver reporting activity on [toolserver-l], > I'll see if I can get a similar thing going for [wikitech-l]. In which channel > would we want this though ? > > I assume #wikimedia-tech although, like Ryan said about dev/ops related, > perhaps better in #wikimedia-dev (or both?) I run the bot you're talking about in #wikimedia-toolserver. Her name is Reba and she's a fine and mostly reliable lady. I don't imagine anyone wants a bot in #wikimedia-tech or #wikimedia-dev. It's noisy and largely pointless (spamming every reply to a thread about threatening to rewrite the parser to an IRC channel doesn't help anything or anyone). We need a better system for (power-)users to report site problems. Something that doesn't involve a mailing list, but something that likely has an IRC component (given that most of the ops idle there). A clean web UI --> IRC system could possibly work, but any system like that is open to abuse and misuse. MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] FYI : Commons thumbnails slow
Op 19 jan 2011, om 00:11 heeft Ryan Lane het volgende geschreven: >> I'm not doing much on IRC, and apparently I'm not alone with that >> here. >> >> Assuming that someone reporting a problem to wikitech-l will start a >> new thread (as I did), how about auto-posting each new thread subject >> line from wikitech-l on IRC automatically? >> >> (here I am again, throwing tech solutions at social problems...) >> > > Almost all threads on wikitech-l are dev related, not ops. I happen to > do both, so I noticed it. Pushing all thread subjects from wikitech-l > to ops folks would pretty much be spam. > > Either way, a report is better than no report ;). > > Respectfully, > > Ryan Lane There's a bot in #wikimedia-toolserver reporting activity on [toolserver-l], I'll see if I can get a similar thing going for [wikitech-l]. In which channel would we want this though ? I assume #wikimedia-tech although, like Ryan said about dev/ops related, perhaps better in #wikimedia-dev (or both?) -- Krinkle ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] FYI : Commons thumbnails slow
> I'm not doing much on IRC, and apparently I'm not alone with that here. > > Assuming that someone reporting a problem to wikitech-l will start a > new thread (as I did), how about auto-posting each new thread subject > line from wikitech-l on IRC automatically? > > (here I am again, throwing tech solutions at social problems...) > Almost all threads on wikitech-l are dev related, not ops. I happen to do both, so I noticed it. Pushing all thread subjects from wikitech-l to ops folks would pretty much be spam. Either way, a report is better than no report ;). Respectfully, Ryan Lane ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] FYI : Commons thumbnails slow
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Ryan Lane wrote: > Thankfully, I do read wikitech-l often, but please, please, report > this on IRC as well, if possible everyone. I'm not doing much on IRC, and apparently I'm not alone with that here. Assuming that someone reporting a problem to wikitech-l will start a new thread (as I did), how about auto-posting each new thread subject line from wikitech-l on IRC automatically? (here I am again, throwing tech solutions at social problems...) Cheers, Magnus ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] FYI : Commons thumbnails slow
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Magnus Manske wrote: > I get long wait times for images from Commons (>10sec even for small > thumbnails). The browsers (Commons, Firefox) also seem to load the > same image repeatedly, even though it should be in cache. > > I'm in the UK. Everything else seems normal (well, I'm in the UK, but > otherwise... ;-). > Thankfully, I do read wikitech-l often, but please, please, report this on IRC as well, if possible everyone. Thank you for the report, btw. We're looking into it now. Respectfully, Ryan Lane ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] FYI : Commons thumbnails slow
Same in the U.S. Seeing tons of missing thumbnails, although they do seem to load after a few minutes. Ryan Kaldari On 1/18/11 1:10 PM, Magnus Manske wrote: > I get long wait times for images from Commons (>10sec even for small > thumbnails). The browsers (Commons, Firefox) also seem to load the > same image repeatedly, even though it should be in cache. > > I'm in the UK. Everything else seems normal (well, I'm in the UK, but > otherwise... ;-). > > ___ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] FYI : Commons thumbnails slow
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Krinkle wrote: > Op 18 jan 2011, om 22:10 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven: > >> I get long wait times for images from Commons (>10sec even for small >> thumbnails). The browsers (Commons, Firefox) also seem to load the >> same image repeatedly, even though it should be in cache. >> >> I'm in the UK. Everything else seems normal (well, I'm in the UK, but >> otherwise... ;-). >> > > I have noticed the same. Small images (16x16) used in the WikiEditor > (not the default buttons but those added by a user script) sometimes > don't appear > untill half a minute after the page is loaded. Maybe the server-side caching time is too short, and all images are requested all the time, slowing the server? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] FYI : Commons thumbnails slow
Op 18 jan 2011, om 22:10 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven: > I get long wait times for images from Commons (>10sec even for small > thumbnails). The browsers (Commons, Firefox) also seem to load the > same image repeatedly, even though it should be in cache. > > I'm in the UK. Everything else seems normal (well, I'm in the UK, but > otherwise... ;-). > I have noticed the same. Small images (16x16) used in the WikiEditor (not the default buttons but those added by a user script) sometimes don't appear untill half a minute after the page is loaded. -- Krinkle ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
