Re: [Wikitech-l] ShortURL for Non Latin Mediawiki sites
* Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com [Tue, 12 Apr 2011 22:29:33 +0530]: Hi all, Sharing of URLs of non latin wiki's werent really easy and when copy pasting we get the unicode numerals in the URL like http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%80%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%AF%E0%AE%BE:%E0%AE%86%E0%AE%B2%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%B0%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%BF en:User:Mountain had come up with a shortify project[1] and thanks to Yuvipanda its now live on Tamil Wikipedia. All pages have a link on the right side of article title. http://tawp.in/r/262 is the same link and is being displayed there. The feedback from the community is to have this hosted by Wikimedia itself as it would be more reliable than individual running it. So there came the idea of a mediawiki extension and hence Shorturl extension[2] was born by some really quick work by Yuvipanda.Its live here[3].(See the toolbox for short URL) While this may be a small thing, it does help non latin wiki's a lot.Having it in the extension form is more reliable even though the URL length goes up, but still its worthy.The URL length can be shortened with mod_rewrite rules on. I would ideally like this to be used across non latin wikimedia properties as it helps these projects(like echoed here[4]). Please let me know how to do this. Bugs on wikimedia bugzilla will do? Feedback appreciated. I wish the numerous http and mail clients as well as web engines were able to display such links urldecoded, like Firefox does. I've made such patch for MediaWiki https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25934 However, phpbb didn't decode such links, IE6/7/8 not as well :-( A lots of software and web engines probably has to be updated to recognize the utf-8 URI's. Dmitriy ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] ShortURL for Non Latin Mediawiki sites
Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote: Hi all, Sharing of URLs of non latin wiki's werent really easy and when copy pasting we get the unicode numerals in the URL like http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%80%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%AF%E0%AE%BE:%E0%AE%86%E0%AE%B2%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%B0%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%BF ... So there came the idea of a mediawiki extension and hence Shorturl extension[2] was born by some really quick work by Yuvipanda ... [1] https://github.com/mountain/shortify [2] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ShortUrl [3] http://wiki.busroutes.in/wiki/Chennai [4] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-March/002699.html http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-March/002699.html Regards Srikanth.L Looks good, although I'm not sure what the advantage in this case is over using a page id. Both have the same disadvantage: * They are binding to a pageid instead of a pagename. This means whenever the page is (un)deleted, moved, merged, split, or becomes a redirect. The link is longer correct. I saw a different short-url service for en.wikipedia which also uses numbers, but internally converts to a page title. In order words: * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Foobar = (pageid: 12, namespace: 1, title:Foobar) converted to 1 * shorturl/1 = namespace:1, title:Foobar - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Talk:Foobar This will always stay the same. * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Foobar = pageid: 12 converted to base64 * (page is re-created, moved, split, merged, whatever) * shorturl/base64 = pageid: 12 = unknown page id, or perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_different_page If the extension does not use the title, but the pageid, we might as well really use the pageid: * http://ta.wikipedia.org/?curid=2810 (already works) * http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ShortUrl/262 (proposal; // base_convert ( 2810, 10, 36 ); ) Even shorter :-) -- Krinkle ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] ShortURL for Non Latin Mediawiki sites
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: * http://ta.wikipedia.org/?curid=2810 (already works) * http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ShortUrl/262 (proposal; // base_convert ( 2810, 10, 36 ); ) I think permalink is the common used term for this kind of url. So Special:Permalink/262. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] ShortURL for Non Latin Mediawiki sites
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: * http://ta.wikipedia.org/?curid=2810 (already works) * http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ShortUrl/262 (proposal; // base_convert ( 2810, 10, 36 ); ) I think permalink is the common used term for this kind of url. So Special:Permalink/262. In fact it already exists in 1.18 as of r79036 http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Code/MediaWiki/79036 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] ShortURL for Non Latin Mediawiki sites
Op 12 apr 2011, om 21:35 heeft Bryan Tong Minh het volgende geschreven: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: * http://ta.wikipedia.org/?curid=2810 (already works) * http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ShortUrl/262 (proposal; // base_convert ( 2810, 10, 36 ); ) I think permalink is the common used term for this kind of url. So Special:Permalink/262. Well, permalink is a permanent link to a certain revision (oldid) And has been in de sidebar for a while now and a specialpage-redirect has been implemented in 1.18. However a permanent link to a revision or a short link to the current page are two very different things. Short-url intends to make a link to [[Article name]] available in a shortform, especially useful for non-latin article names. Permanent-url intends to make the same content available under a permanent location, the fact that the url (can [1]) be shorter is a side-effect. If a page is modified (new revision), the permalink will be outdated. ...if a page recreated the permanent will no longer work at all. So summarized: * Imho a ShortUrl-specialpage extension is redundant as the few characters saved with base64 instead of the page-id (not revision id) directly is not much and only introduced a new number/variable into the mix of things to keep track of * Short page-id links already exist by using /?curid=pageid * Pageid is not a reliable way to link to an article of a certain subject. -- Krinkle ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] ShortURL for Non Latin Mediawiki sites
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: Op 12 apr 2011, om 21:35 heeft Bryan Tong Minh het volgende geschreven: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: * http://ta.wikipedia.org/?curid=2810 (already works) * http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ShortUrl/262 (proposal; // base_convert ( 2810, 10, 36 ); ) I think permalink is the common used term for this kind of url. So Special:Permalink/262. Well, permalink is a permanent link to a certain revision (oldid) And has been in de sidebar for a while now and a specialpage-redirect has been implemented in 1.18. However a permanent link to a revision or a short link to the current page are two very different things. Oh right, I always get confused between curid and oldid. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] ShortURL for Non Latin Mediawiki sites
2011/4/12 Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com: Looks good, although I'm not sure what the advantage in this case is over using a page id. Both have the same disadvantage: * They are binding to a pageid instead of a pagename. Actually just recently i thought of a different idea. It looks like the Interlanguage extension is finally in the beginning of its way to being rolled out (see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15607 ). Maybe this extension can be modified so that typing something like http://mul.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama:ar will redirect to http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/باراك_أوباما. It wont make the name very short, but it will certainly be better than http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%83_%D8%A3%D9%88%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A7 for sending by email or instant messaging. The advantage is that it will work for any language. The interlanguage wiki may have the names limited only to characters which don't have to undergo URL-encoding; this doesn't necessarily mean English. (mul is the ISO 639 code for multiple languages. There was no decision to give the future Interlanguage wiki this name; i just made it up. The domain can have any other name.) -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace. - T. Moore ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] ShortURL for Non Latin Mediawiki sites
This is just another instance of https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21572 Note that there's javascript there for creating curid links, too. Note those urls may have caching problems. -1 to the base36 thing. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
