Re: What happened to the Wine Newsletters?
Juan Lang wrote: >> Ok, I'll get working on this soon. I have midterms this week, and >> then I'll start looking at it. Would you guys prefer if I tried to >> cover all the major news since the last WWN (thus less specific detail >> on each) or just the recent stuff in more detail? > > Personally, I think a writeup of wineconf (if you can, I know you > weren't there) would be a great place to start it back up again. The > biggest news there, I think, is that we're finally trying to go for a > 1.0 release. > > --Juan > > > I'll sure to cover Wineconf as best I can as well as the 1.0 release. Should I mention a release time at all for 1.0 or should I avoid that until we have a better idea of which bugs remain on the 1.0 milestone? I hope to start writing this weekend, so if there is something you would specifically like covered (iTunes 7, OpenGL Child windows, etc), please let me know either by e-mail or on this list and I'll do my best to incorporate it. ---Alex
Re: What happened to the Wine Newsletters?
Juan Lang wrote: > Hi Alex, > >> I've been mulling this over for awhile and I'm potentially willing to >> write the WWN. I've been reading all of patches, devel, and bugs for >> about a year now, so I keep pretty up to date with what's going on. I'm >> a Senior at UIUC and my major is History, so I write quite often. >> Let me know if you're interested. > > Of course! In the case of WWN, no news isn't good news. By all > means, give it a go. > --Juan > > > Ok, I'll get working on this soon. I have midterms this week, and then I'll start looking at it. Would you guys prefer if I tried to cover all the major news since the last WWN (thus less specific detail on each) or just the recent stuff in more detail? ---Alex
Re: What happened to the Wine Newsletters?
I've been mulling this over for awhile and I'm potentially willing to write the WWN. I've been reading all of patches, devel, and bugs for about a year now, so I keep pretty up to date with what's going on. I'm a Senior at UIUC and my major is History, so I write quite often. Let me know if you're interested. ---Alex Francois Gouget wrote: > On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, Martin Bosner wrote: > [...] >> There are just not enough human resources fot that... But the >> releasenews for each new wine version should cover most interesting >> things that had happened. The short way. > > I guess this was mostly humorous, but still, I feel compelled to say > that: > > The release news are no substitute for the Wine Weekly News. > > They are not even close. They are just one-line summaries of the top-5 > changes in the release. Besides the other 5 top-10 items they miss, they > don't mention any of the discussions happening on wine-devel, nor any of > the talk about Wine in the news, or upcoming WineConfs, application > database improvements, etc. > > The WWN was really nice. I fear that without it the wider community and > outsiders mostly see the 5 lines release news and think that not much is > happening (or think that we only work on obscure/useless stuff due to > lack of context), or at least have pretty much no idea what is going on. > WWN provided a very useful service to Wine by letting them get a glimpse > of the life of the project. Unfortunately, not having the skills or the > time required, I can only hope that some kind soul can fill that void > soon. > >
WineHQ for Wine 1.0
Awhile ago I sent a few patches in to cleanup some HTML and CSS on WineHQ. I didn't continue with writing more patches since it seemed like we didn't have a clear idea of what direction we wanted to pursue. I am more than happy to help with a rewrite or update of the site, but as long as we have an plan of what we want to accomplish and how to go about it. With the release of Wine 1.0 coming... sometime... in the future, it would make sense if we had an updated website to accompany that release. From my point of view, the following are some big problems with the current site: * Not pretty: while not awful, there are better color schemes and layouts in the world. We can also look at some usability improvements. If people are partial to it, we can still use the winish-red color, but I think we can use it in a more attractive way than we do now. * Table-hell: This is where I tout the joys of 's and CSS. Tables are a pain to deal with and bloat the code quite a bit. Not to mention that they make pages pretty inaccessible. * Accessibility: Tables are the big culprit here, but there's also simple things like making the code valid. There's also some fairly straightforward ways of writing code which help a lot (precede lists with headers, nest headers correctly, etc). While accessibility doesn't have to be perfect, I think it promotes well written code and makes pages more accessible to more people. * Valid code: This is a principal to me. I think if code is to be written, it should be written correctly. Wine is known for not accepting hacks or improper fixes; I think our website should reflect that, especially since the spec is not hard to conform to. Let me know if you are interested in help. I hope everyone is having fun at WineConf. ---Alex
Re: osalt.com top-requested commercial app stats
Dan Kegel wrote: > http://www.osalt.com/ has a list of most-requested commercial windows > apps, currently: > > 1. Visio > 2. Norton Ghost > 3. Photoshop > 4. Nero Burning Rom > 5. Dreamweaver > 6. AutoCAD > 7. Illustrator > 8. Access > 9. Premiere Pro > 10. ACDSee > > No idea how they generated that list, but it seems somewhat > reasonable. cc'ing them in case they feel like commenting > on where that list comes from and what it means. > (And no, I don't think Ghost will ever run on Wine :-) > - Dan > > > I don't know exactly what versions of Ghost they hope to use, but at work we have an automated imaging system that reboots into Linux, launches Ghost via DOS emulation, reimages the machine, and then comes back up on the newly re-imaged windows partition. Running Ghost under DOS emulation is actually pretty well documented around the internet. ---Alex
Re: Is there a process for reviewing a bugzilla staffer?
Chris Morgan wrote: On 8/2/07, Kuba Ober <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wednesday 01 August 2007, Vitaliy Margolen wrote: Whit Blauvelt wrote: Hi, Is there a formal process for reviewing an arguably incompetent bugzilla staffer? Obviously it wouldn't be to submit their name as a bug. But is there any defined administrative layer that concerns itself with people on that level who are dragging on the project? I looked around a bit for information on this. Sorry if it's posted somewhere and I missed it. Thanks, Whit To spare everyone time and to skip directly to an entertainment see bug 9147: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9147 I agree with Whit. Most of your writing in that bug report would be in line with lack of sleep or prolonged fatigue, or some other factor that causes you to be compartmentalized in your own verions of things and completely ignore the real issue at hand. Similar behavioral pattern that happened on China Airlines Flight 006. The resemblance is striking: the pilots completely unaware of what the real problem is, and were dealing with non-issues (rather than fluing the plane). Similar thing here: the user tells you one thing (the real issue), your situational awareness is as if something entirely different has been taking place (dupes, etc). Interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_006 http://www.rvs.uni-bielefeld.de/publications/Incidents/DOCS/ComAndRep/ChinaAir/AAR8603.html http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/3.79.html [...] the captain had become so preoccupied with the dwindling airspeed that he failed to note that the autopilot, which relied on ailerons only, not the rudder, to maintain heading, was using the maximum left control- wheel deflection available to it to overcome the thrust asymmetry due to the hung outboard engine. When the right wing nevertheless began to drop, ... the captain didn't notice the bank on the attitude indicator ... . When he did notice it, he refused to believe what he saw. At this point, ... the upset had begun and the captain and first officer were both spatially disorientated. You can almost substitute terms from the bugreport for the flying terms above... Common thing to happen when you're tired, distracted, etc. So this is nothing personal, just noticing a pretty common problem. BTDT, one has to learn to recognize the first signs and take a break (helps me). At least here it won't kill anyone. Now, if you *are* sleeping well (and long enough), and are not tired, then IANAD and wouldn't know what to do either... Cheers, Kuba I've spent a fair amount of time helping users on irc in #winehq and this bug report sounds like one of the most common issues, user error precipitated by a distribution that requires a high level of user knowledge. The back and forth on the bug is mostly a waste of time trying to figure out user compile time options, which version of wine is actually running when multiple versions are installed etc. I can understand Vitaliy's frustration with this stuff as its easily avoidable on almost all binary package based distributions. Maybe we should point gentoo users at the gentoo wiki page we have and enhance that page with things we've learned from gentoo debugging. As a Gentoo user, I would have to agree. If a fairly good document is put together a lot of headaches can be avoided. When they are done following the guide then bugzilla staff and others can help them. The advantages of this are twofold. One is that there are fewer headaches from chasing down weird compile time options, etc. The second is that Gentoo is a more advance/complicated distro and some of the users really know their stuff and can be quite useful. By providing good documentation we might encourage those users to participate more. Weed out the bad, keep the good. Chris ---Alex
Re: [AppDB] Increase menu text size
Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes wrote: > This should make it easier for people to notice the menu options. From 10px > to 11px. > > > Regards, > > Alexander N. Sørnes > > > > > I agree with increasing text size here, but we should keep in mind a few things. Setting text size in pixels is no longer the cool thing to do. W3C feels that it is best to use the "x-small, small, medium, etc" values since they respect user settings and accessibility the most. An alternative which gives more control but isn't quite as proper is to use em instead of px. Either is better than using pixels. Also, this text size should be changed on all pages because the menu text size in the AppDB is now larger than the text in the menu on the front page. I am part of a large project at my work where I have had to learn quite a bit about web accessibility and best practices. Contrary to popular (and lazy) belief, most of it actually makes it easier in the end to write and maintain a large website. Plus the site is accessible to more users. ---Alex
Re: Old versions of Acrobat Pro tryout?
Tom Wickline wrote: > On 4/15/07, Dan Kegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 4/15/07, Dan Kegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Hey Tom, > > Hey Dan, > >> >> I think I'm going to focus on Dreamweaver, Photoshop, and Acrotat Pro >> for a while... so that's it for new wiki pages for a while :-) >> - Dan >> > > I haven't had much luck finding older trial versions of Acrobat or > Dreamweaver everything Ive come across just points to Macromedia or > adobe for the download. I have found some shady sites with downloads, > hacks, cracks and the likes.. I really don't believe I should post > those links here, when I have a little free time ill look around some > more. > > Hey, My name is Alex and I've been lurking around Wine for a year or so now. I saw your request for trial versions and I took a look around trying to find them. I'm not sure how far back you're hoping to find, but here is what I found so far. *I'm not sure if you are adverse to downloading straight from Adobe, but here is a link to request version 7. I filled it out and it had me download a little download helper app to get version 7. I ran it and it started downloading. Likely it will work. http://www.adobe.com/special/acrobat/acrobatonline/acropro_tryout/acropro_reg.html (This is the link e-mailed to me; it might save you from registering.) http://www.adobe.com/special/acrobat/acrobatonline/acropro_tryout/acropro_popup.html *Here's another Adobe link - this one for version 6 http://www.adobe.com/special/acrobat/acrobatonline/tryreg.html *Adobe's FTP server has nothing useful on it for Acrobat, though plenty for other products. I can't even login to the old macromedia ftp server to look for dreamweaver. I'll let you know if I find anything more exciting. ---Alex
