Re: Netmeeting under wine
I just tried to help someone which has to use under Linux a H.323 solution NOW. I don't think Wine will be able to run NetMeeting in a few weeks, nor in a few months. If I would not advise him this alternative, the only choice this NetMeeting user had was to through away Linux and come back to Windows. I understand that you feel very concerned by wine success and I excuse me if you were irritated. It was not my goal. As a conclusion, I would say that if you invest as many energy in the Wine development as you did in this flame mail, I think Wine could be use widely soon. I would be happy. Le mar 18/11/2003 à 02:57, Tom a écrit : > Jérôme Bouat wrote: > > use GnomeMeeting: > > http://www.gnomemeeting.org/ > > Hi, > > Time for me to get into trouble again :) > > This guy ask if we could help him to get a win > app that he uses "Netmeeting" in this case to work with > the vine "wine" but instead of help he got use this... as its native to > linux! > > People Wine is for Win apps!! I know there are many native apps > that will > replace win apps, fulfill your needs but.. WTF is this project > about??? running win apps on linux?? > Not you should use this or that app in its place, but you should use > what your > comfortable with.. what you spent your hard earned money on.. *.* app > Ive for one have used mIRC since there 1.0 days. anyone here > remember when that was? > but im sure there are people who would say XChat is better.. but guess > what .. > I dont give a shit I want to use what I like, what im use > to, what i spent my $20.00 on... > > Wine is not to suggest native linux apps to its users, but to build > a app so WIN users can see what a real OS is, and at the same time use > what there use to, what they have spent > there hard earned &@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@= (GD-F&ck^ing) money on. And if they > find/run across a native app that > fills there needs then they can make the switch on there own good > time!!! Not use this as its better.. > as there going to think it sucks at first anyway... > > I remimber the days when people ask if Linux would really make a dent as > a server OS.. If it would come and go,.. > now we all know Linux is great as a server OS .. its for the most part > the #1 OS when it comes to servers.. > > The Question now is will Linux be the next DeskTop OS of choice?? > I believe it will be, as native apps close one side of the gap and WINE > closes > the other side.. Its all just a matter of time... So if your a > developer, user, lurker don't cut our end short > Wine has a role to play in all this...Remember boys and girls this > is our soap opera, . the OS wars.. > But guess what the OS war is over as we have won, now its down to the > apps/desktop. So if Joe Blow > wants to use his native app we should say great here is the fix,, ill > look,, ill try,, as we know he is using > unix/wine and in the end after they, him , her, learn about OSS > they will never look back! > > So to sum this rant up. > > In the future dont say use what I use, but help them use what there use > to and Wine will fulfill > its goal... > > Just my $.02 > > Tom > > > > > > > Le lun 17/11/2003 à 09:37, David Martinez Prado a écrit : > > > >>Hi all! > >>i am, trying to run netmeeting under Wine. i installed wine with the default > >>windows partition. Then, i execute netmeeting installer and crashed. i am > >>working on RH7.2. Can anyone help me? > >> > >>thank you very much. > >> > >>_ > >>Descárgate en tu teléfono los tonos y logos de las canciones y artistas de > >>más éxito en MSN Móviles. http://www.msn.es/MSNMovil/ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Netmeeting under wine
On November 18, 2003 03:01 am, Lionel Ulmer wrote: > Imagine the nightmare if all the people asking for Kazaa / HalfLife / > CounterStrike support on #WineHQ started sending mails to this list ? Maybe we should have these working and avoid the questions altogether -- Dimi.
Re: Netmeeting under wine
> This guy ask if we could help him to get a win > app that he uses "Netmeeting" in this case to work with > the vine "wine" but instead of help he got use this... as its native to > linux! Well, we could also have said (and with reasons) 'This is a developper mailing list - send your support request to wine-users / raise a bug on BugZilla / post on cemw / come on #WineHQ on FreeNode'. Imagine the nightmare if all the people asking for Kazaa / HalfLife / CounterStrike support on #WineHQ started sending mails to this list ? Note that I agree that Wine seriously lacks efficient supports channels, but wine-devel is certainly not a support channel (or at least not for such plain 'Does app X work on Wine ?' requests - on the other hand, any question where the guy enters sufficiently into details of his debugging and ask detailed questions is welcome here). Lionel -- Lionel Ulmer - http://www.bbrox.org/
Re: Netmeeting under wine
Tom wrote: Shachar Shemesh wrote: I can speak only for myself. I won't invest huge amounts of time in helping someone else use an application *he* is used to, while I have perfectly acceptable (to me) alternatives. If he'd be paying me - that's something else. If he'd come with specific questions - that's something else too. You have missed the point Lets say he is new to Linux/wine and he does not know how to send a good bug report or how to ask how to get this or that to work... Then what? Be a ass in return? I say not!.. I have just seen the future folks.. Wine will be like MPLAYER in the future.. RTFM and in not taling about the fine manual here. Geez I spell bad at 1:30 am and no sleep for two days. > Wine will be like MPLAYER in the future.. RTFM and im not > talking about the fine manual here. Tom
Re: Netmeeting under wine
Shachar Shemesh wrote: I can speak only for myself. I won't invest huge amounts of time in helping someone else use an application *he* is used to, while I have perfectly acceptable (to me) alternatives. If he'd be paying me - that's something else. If he'd come with specific questions - that's something else too. You have missed the point Lets say he is new to Linux/wine and he does not know how to send a good bug report or how to ask how to get this or that to work... Then what? Be a ass in return? I say not!.. I have just seen the future folks.. Wine will be like MPLAYER in the future.. RTFM and in not taling about the fine manual here. Tom Just my $.02 Tom My 0.09 ILS (http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi?Amount=0.09&From=ILS&To=USD) Shachar
Re: Netmeeting under wine
Tom wrote: Jérôme Bouat wrote: use GnomeMeeting: http://www.gnomemeeting.org/ Hi, Time for me to get into trouble again :) Not only that, but I'm somehow dragging myself too. Your'e good :-) This guy ask if we could help him to get a win app that he uses "Netmeeting" in this case to work with the vine "wine" but instead of help he got use this... as its native to linux! Well, I guess making a new app work on Wine is a non-trivial task, and so people prefer to focus their efforts where the app is truely needed - i.e., where no native free software alternative is available. This does not mean that David can't hack wine to make NetMeeting work himself, or that Alexandre won't commit it. It just means that I, for one, have little incentive to jump in at the moment. Once Jérôme pointed (me) to GnomeMeeting (how did they skip the chance to call it Gnomeeting??), it's not my itch any more. People Wine is for Win apps!! I know there are many native apps that will replace win apps, fulfill your needs but.. WTF is this project about??? running win apps on linux?? Certanly for some people. I know that's a lot of what it is to me, in any case. Without trying to claim that ReactOS guys are not doing a wonderful job, I'm still after using Linux (or any other free OS, I don't care that much) for as much of my day2day activities as possible. Wine is one of the tools to do that. Not you should use this or that app in its place, but you should use what your comfortable with.. what you spent your hard earned money on.. But what about the not-yet-spent money? Will it be cheaper to learn a new app, or to support NetMeeting? Remeber, that app is integrated into the Windows OS in levels I don't think even IE can rival. I know that I found Jérôme's post useful. One may adopt a more "FYI" tone in the future. So to sum this rant up. In the future dont say use what I use, but help them use what there use to and Wine will fulfill its goal... I can speak only for myself. I won't invest huge amounts of time in helping someone else use an application *he* is used to, while I have perfectly acceptable (to me) alternatives. If he'd be paying me - that's something else. If he'd come with specific questions - that's something else too. Just my $.02 Tom My 0.09 ILS (http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi?Amount=0.09&From=ILS&To=USD) Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consultant Home page & resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/
Re: Netmeeting under wine
Jérôme Bouat wrote: use GnomeMeeting: http://www.gnomemeeting.org/ Hi, Time for me to get into trouble again :) This guy ask if we could help him to get a win app that he uses "Netmeeting" in this case to work with the vine "wine" but instead of help he got use this... as its native to linux! People Wine is for Win apps!! I know there are many native apps that will replace win apps, fulfill your needs but.. WTF is this project about??? running win apps on linux?? Not you should use this or that app in its place, but you should use what your comfortable with.. what you spent your hard earned money on.. *.* app Ive for one have used mIRC since there 1.0 days. anyone here remember when that was? but im sure there are people who would say XChat is better.. but guess what .. I dont give a shit I want to use what I like, what im use to, what i spent my $20.00 on... Wine is not to suggest native linux apps to its users, but to build a app so WIN users can see what a real OS is, and at the same time use what there use to, what they have spent there hard earned &@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@= (GD-F&ck^ing) money on. And if they find/run across a native app that fills there needs then they can make the switch on there own good time!!! Not use this as its better.. as there going to think it sucks at first anyway... I remimber the days when people ask if Linux would really make a dent as a server OS.. If it would come and go,.. now we all know Linux is great as a server OS .. its for the most part the #1 OS when it comes to servers.. The Question now is will Linux be the next DeskTop OS of choice?? I believe it will be, as native apps close one side of the gap and WINE closes the other side.. Its all just a matter of time... So if your a developer, user, lurker don't cut our end short Wine has a role to play in all this...Remember boys and girls this is our soap opera, . the OS wars.. But guess what the OS war is over as we have won, now its down to the apps/desktop. So if Joe Blow wants to use his native app we should say great here is the fix,, ill look,, ill try,, as we know he is using unix/wine and in the end after they, him , her, learn about OSS they will never look back! So to sum this rant up. In the future dont say use what I use, but help them use what there use to and Wine will fulfill its goal... Just my $.02 Tom Le lun 17/11/2003 à 09:37, David Martinez Prado a écrit : Hi all! i am, trying to run netmeeting under Wine. i installed wine with the default windows partition. Then, i execute netmeeting installer and crashed. i am working on RH7.2. Can anyone help me? thank you very much. _ Descárgate en tu teléfono los tonos y logos de las canciones y artistas de más éxito en MSN Móviles. http://www.msn.es/MSNMovil/
Re: Netmeeting under wine
GnomeMeeting FAQ question: "Does it work with Netmeeting?" Reply: http://www.gnomemeeting.org/index.php?rub=3&pos=0&faqpage=x53.html#AEN59 Le lun 17/11/2003 à 09:37, David Martinez Prado a écrit : > Hi all! > i am, trying to run netmeeting under Wine. i installed wine with the default > windows partition. Then, i execute netmeeting installer and crashed. i am > working on RH7.2. Can anyone help me? > > thank you very much. > > _ > Descárgate en tu teléfono los tonos y logos de las canciones y artistas de > más éxito en MSN Móviles. http://www.msn.es/MSNMovil/ > >
Re: Netmeeting under wine
use GnomeMeeting: http://www.gnomemeeting.org/ Le lun 17/11/2003 à 09:37, David Martinez Prado a écrit : > Hi all! > i am, trying to run netmeeting under Wine. i installed wine with the default > windows partition. Then, i execute netmeeting installer and crashed. i am > working on RH7.2. Can anyone help me? > > thank you very much. > > _ > Descárgate en tu teléfono los tonos y logos de las canciones y artistas de > más éxito en MSN Móviles. http://www.msn.es/MSNMovil/ > >
Netmeeting under wine
Hi all! i am, trying to run netmeeting under Wine. i installed wine with the default windows partition. Then, i execute netmeeting installer and crashed. i am working on RH7.2. Can anyone help me? thank you very much. _ Descárgate en tu teléfono los tonos y logos de las canciones y artistas de más éxito en MSN Móviles. http://www.msn.es/MSNMovil/
Re: Netmeeting under Wine
This is an off topic question. You may ask it to the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" list. Le mer 12/11/2003 à 10:06, David Martinez Prado a écrit : > Hi! it's my firts time runing wine. I want to execute Netmeeting under Wine > but i can. Can anybody help me please? > > Regards, DAVID > > _ > Localiza y ponte en contacto con tus antiguos compañeros de clase en MSN > Compañeros. http://mipasado.msn.es/ > >
Netmeeting under Wine
Hi! it's my firts time runing wine. I want to execute Netmeeting under Wine but i can. Can anybody help me please? Regards, DAVID _ Localiza y ponte en contacto con tus antiguos compañeros de clase en MSN Compañeros. http://mipasado.msn.es/
