Re: WooHoo get a load of this :-)

[Marcus Meissner]

> I'd say we should all wait till we see what's in the challenge registration 
> form, where they are actually supposed to reveal exactly what those $10k buys 
> them.
> 
> One application doesn't mean much. It can be something huge. It can be 
> something that needs something that wine nowhere near implements. And so 
> on...
> 
> If they're willing to pay someone $10k then either it's not such a trivial 
> job, or their VCs want some sort of demonstration and the SpecOpS people just 
> don't have enough expertise.
> 
> Or it's all just blown out of proportion with $10k being way more than good 
> compensation for the work involved, but someone clueless enough having $10k 
> to toss around.
> 
> Maybe it's just worth for some wine hackers to register and see what comes 
> out 
> of it.

Perhaps its some sort of hiring test. Well, we will see.

Ciao, Marcus

Re: WooHoo get a load of this :-)

[Ivan Leo Puoti]

Marcus Meissner wrote:


On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 06:39:06PM +0100, Ivan Leo Puoti wrote:
 


Tom Wickline wrote:
   


4. System becomes the property of SpecOpS Laboratories.
 

Oh yeah, someone writes a full windows API implementation in a month or so, 
   



You misread the mail...

It says "One Application" and "get it running using WINE".

I would consider myself nearly capable to do that myself.

Ciao, Marcus

 

Well, that depends very much on the application, still I think those 
guys are smoking crack.


Ivan.

Re: WooHoo get a load of this :-)

[Kuba Ober]

On Thursday 22 September 2005 11:37, Marcus Meissner wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 06:39:06PM +0100, Ivan Leo Puoti wrote:
> > Tom Wickline wrote:
> > >4. System becomes the property of SpecOpS Laboratories.
> >
> > Oh yeah, someone writes a full windows API implementation in a month or
> > so,
>
> You misread the mail...
>
> It says "One Application" and "get it running using WINE".
> I would consider myself nearly capable to do that myself.

I'd say we should all wait till we see what's in the challenge registration 
form, where they are actually supposed to reveal exactly what those $10k buys 
them.

One application doesn't mean much. It can be something huge. It can be 
something that needs something that wine nowhere near implements. And so 
on...

If they're willing to pay someone $10k then either it's not such a trivial 
job, or their VCs want some sort of demonstration and the SpecOpS people just 
don't have enough expertise.

Or it's all just blown out of proportion with $10k being way more than good 
compensation for the work involved, but someone clueless enough having $10k 
to toss around.

Maybe it's just worth for some wine hackers to register and see what comes out 
of it.

The mere fact that they don't mention what application would it be sounds 
suspicious to me.

Cheers, Kuba

Re: WooHoo get a load of this :-)

[Marcus Meissner]

On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 06:39:06PM +0100, Ivan Leo Puoti wrote:
> Tom Wickline wrote:
> >4. System becomes the property of SpecOpS Laboratories.
> 
> Oh yeah, someone writes a full windows API implementation in a month or so, 

You misread the mail...

It says "One Application" and "get it running using WINE".

I would consider myself nearly capable to do that myself.

Ciao, Marcus

Re: WooHoo get a load of this :-)

[Kuba Ober]

> As a side track, Win4Lin contacted me a while back, and wanted Lingnu to
> represent them in Israel. I sent back a few technical questions, and
> NEVER HEARD FROM THEM AGAIN! Does the company still exist?

Yes, but they keep spitting into the face of their loyal userbase, so I don't 
wish them too well anymore :(

Cheers, Kuba

Re: WooHoo get a load of this :-)

[Lionel Ulmer]

On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 10:54:28PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> As a side track, Win4Lin contacted me a while back, and wanted Lingnu to
> represent them in Israel. I sent back a few technical questions, and
> NEVER HEARD FROM THEM AGAIN! Does the company still exist?

Last I know they still exist and plan to sell a packaged version of QEMU as
their Windows emulator.

  Lionel

-- 
 Lionel Ulmer - http://www.bbrox.org/

Re: WooHoo get a load of this :-)

[Shachar Shemesh]

Michael Stefaniuc wrote:

> Tom Wickline wrote:
>
>> Fom :
>> http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20050921.093916.4717740b.en.html
>
> This can be because TurboLinux announced today that they will
> distribute the DAVID technology from SpecOpS:
> http://www.turbolinux.com/cgi-bin/newsrelease/index.cgi?date2=20050821173249&mode=syosai
>
>
> bye
> michael

I'd understand it more if I knew WHAT the David technology actually was!

Did they release ANYTHING?

Regarding the challenge, it seems that they will give you the
application they want working if you contact them.

Oh, and about David. Their web site claims to use a hybrid approach to
the matter. They integrate emulation and Wine (and wine style)
reimplementation. I have no idea how such a thing is supposed to help
them along. Also, it will be interesting to see whether this turns out
to be any different than what Win4Lin are doing.

As a side track, Win4Lin contacted me a while back, and wanted Lingnu to
represent them in Israel. I sent back a few technical questions, and
NEVER HEARD FROM THEM AGAIN! Does the company still exist?

  Shachar

Re: WooHoo get a load of this :-)

[Michael Stefaniuc]

Tom Wickline wrote:

Fom : http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20050921.093916.4717740b.en.html
This can be because TurboLinux announced today that they will distribute 
the DAVID technology from SpecOpS: 
http://www.turbolinux.com/cgi-bin/newsrelease/index.cgi?date2=20050821173249&mode=syosai


bye
michael



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Author: El Cid Ablang
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Subject: $10,000 Open Challenge
SpecOpS Laboratories

$10,000 Open Challenge





SpecOpS Laboratories (SpecOpS Labs) invites the Philippine

ICT Community to participate in the DAVID Project. We are seeking a
highly talented Consultant or Consulting Team that can contribute to the
DAVID Project.



SpecOpS Labs is searching the Philippines for Systems-Level

Hacker/s to serve as Development Consultant to the DAVID Project. As
proof or our sincerity, we are offering US$10,000.00* to the first
Consultant or Consulting Team who can take our challenge and prove their
capabilities. Our challenge requires the delivery of a solution that
will allow an MS-XP compatible application to install and run under
Linux using x.org and open source WINE by October 5, 2005.



So, take the challenge now!




Criteria to Award and Conditions:



1. System has no proprietary software imbedded / required.

2. System is stable.

3. MS-XP compatible modules / functions are working as expected.

4. System becomes the property of SpecOpS Laboratories.



Registration Procedure:



1. Send us an Email indicating your intent to take up the challenge
at  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Attach your
CV(s) or company profile (if applicable).

2. SpecOpS will Email you the Challenge Registration Form and
further instructions.



Challenge Activities:



1. Present the running solution at SpecOpS Labs office before
October 5, 2005.

2. Validation of solution using SpecOpS Labs's criteria.

3. Award immediately.





* All monies in this challenge are subject to tax. The decision of
SpecOpS Labs for the award is final.



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Sr. Network EngineerFax.: +49-711-96437-111
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Re: WooHoo get a load of this :-)

[Tom Wickline]

On 9/21/05, Ivan Leo Puoti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tom Wickline wrote:
> > 4. System becomes the property of SpecOpS Laboratories.
>
> Oh yeah, someone writes a full windows API implementation in a month or so, 
> capable of replacing an
> OS that generates 1 billion US dollars a month in revenue, beating over a 
> decade of  open source
> wine development, and sells it to SpecOpS Laboratories for 10k, that's sure 
> going to happen.
> I think anybody with the means to do that would make it open source, or sell 
> it to the highest bidder.

I agree, I thought this was some kind of joke.. 10k? 10k isn't squat..
I use to blow more than 10k a year on beer and party. But Ive been
sent a couple links that show that there
is interest in there offerings.

http://www.turbolinux.com/cgi-bin/newsrelease/index.cgi?date2=20050821173249&mode=syosai
http://www.specopslabs.com/content/ibm-loi.pdf

I just hope they turn out to be good members in the OSS community and
give back to Wine as they have taken from it.

Tom
>
> Ivan.
>

Re: WooHoo get a load of this :-)

[Kuba Ober]

> > 4. System becomes the property of SpecOpS Laboratories.
>
> Oh yeah, someone writes a full windows API implementation in a month or so,
> capable of replacing an OS that generates 1 billion US dollars a month in
> revenue, beating over a decade of  open source wine development, and sells
> it to SpecOpS Laboratories for 10k, that's sure going to happen. I think
> anybody with the means to do that would make it open source, or sell it to
> the highest bidder.

I'm pretty sure with a correct price tag the wine team could get some more 
people involved and do it. I bet $10 billion would be a good price tag :)

Kuba

Re: WooHoo get a load of this :-)

[Kuba Ober]

The most frightening thing is that, apparently, someone clueless enough at
IBM Phillipines, Inc. got 'involved' with it: 
http://www.specopslabs.com/content/ibm-loi.pdf

If I were IBM, I'd start doing some serious PR mopping up/fallout prevention.

This is quadruple-sad.

Cheers, Kuba

Re: WooHoo get a load of this :-)

[Kuba Ober]

> Subject: $10,000 Open Challenge
> SpecOpS Laboratories

Here's my take from a technical point of view.

I'd say that the only serious leap they might be able to make is to get some 
of the winserver into the Linux kernel and/or to use the freedce. There isn't 
really much more big stuff besides that to do in wine, architecturally I 
mean. Forgetting about the vxds for the moment, that is :)

Otherwise, whatever they might claim as 'innovative' is really just the grunt 
work of implementing missing functionality in wine. And that can easily be 
done in an isolationist fashion, i.e. if they want to develop or reimplement 
some dlls, they just drop ones in wine (if any) and substitute with their 
own. They can also link wine dlls with some of their proprietary dlls that 
implement extra functionality, as long as they stay within LGPL.

The only thing is that so far their PR campaign is all full of spin and hype, 
which might be just their cultural thing, or it might indicate that we're 
still talking vapourware.

What's nice though is that I'm pretty sure that whatever they come up with 
will be reverse-engineered, analyzed and reimplemented back in wine, slowly 
but surely making their 'innovative product' redundant. Executive summary: 
down the drain the VC money goes.

Cheers, Kuba

Re: WooHoo get a load of this :-)

[Ivan Leo Puoti]

Tom Wickline wrote:

4. System becomes the property of SpecOpS Laboratories.


Oh yeah, someone writes a full windows API implementation in a month or so, capable of replacing an 
OS that generates 1 billion US dollars a month in revenue, beating over a decade of  open source 
wine development, and sells it to SpecOpS Laboratories for 10k, that's sure going to happen.

I think anybody with the means to do that would make it open source, or sell it 
to the highest bidder.

Ivan.