[WISPA] winog
Any winog news ? Gino -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vehicle mount hpol omni?
Most omni antennas are very low gain. And the lower the gain the less the xpol. Try the Mobile Mark mag mount omni antennas. Available in 3dB or so. I'll bet you do just fine with those. Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] Vehicle mount hpol omni? Anyone know of one of these? It doesn't need to be real high gain, but I could sure use one of these from time to time. Mark North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot netsales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot netFast Internet, NO WIRES!- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save mylife)
Brian is 21. Kurt is in high school. Guess I mushed them together :) George G.Villarini wrote: 21 and high school? George, you flunked kindergarten 3 times ? :-) Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save mylife) Brian :) Your only 21 years old, CONGRATS! When I read about guys like you and Kurt , who is still in high school and running a wisp, it makes me happy and proud of you guys that are starting life embracing a business and making a go at it. So keep up the hard work, someday you'll look back on this era of your life and understand why your a success at what ever you will be doing then. I strongly believe in young people getting involved and participating in the business world. It's a sign of independence and ingenuity, which is what drives the American way. Congrats again! George Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Sure is nice to ask for advice and be insulted. If you know so much about how I climb, tell me what I have done wrong. Or start asking me trick questions that I'll answer wrong. Than you may insult me. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save my life)
My thought was : how can WISPA help improve safety for members? I climb more than I care to, frankly. Safety is the #1 objective. *nothing* is more important. Consider weather, weight, structure, attachment, ropes.. the list is long and I agree, a seminar/training is the way to go. Between jetski rides, I'd like to see that. :-) Mike Healy wrote: H, sounds to me like you better find a class than can teach you common sense cause you sure ain't got any. I agree with Bob's rant. with one addition... IF (and that is a big if) the local fire dept has a ladder it is only going to go up less than 100' for one and they are not trained (in general) in plucking someone off the side of a tower. My suggestion. spend the money on the training and equipment to do it right before you hurt (or kill) yourself or someone else... Just my $.02 worth Mike Brian Rohrbacher wrote: To be completely honest. Only if it's free. Otherwise, I'll stay tied off 100% of the time and not let anyone stand below me. From there, I'll just pick up pointers as I go along and use common sense (something no class can teach me). A. Huppenthal wrote: How about a training seminar for climbing - OSHA safe. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Actually, I already own it. Bill Curd sold me his extra one 2 weeks ago. George wrote: Hey order the one with the aluminum bar seat in it. It's only like 20 dollars more, and it's a lot more comfortable to be on a tower in. http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10193 I just got one for my guy and hey says it's way more comfortable than the other one and he can spend more time on a tower. George Bob Moldashel wrote: Brian Rohrbacher wrote: last chance. I am ordering. Well, it's been 3 yearsbut it's time for a harness. Up until now I only climbed grain legs. I am going to go up a 90ft Rohn 25g style tower. It there anything else I need. Yeah...How about some training??? Can I get some links to the rope and pulleys ya'll use? http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10234-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10241-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10511-session=midwest:44FFC22E13ec524B34QXo248103D http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10192 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] winog
WISPA: Good morning, You are missing out on some very useful information from seasoned Operators on a wide range of gear. It has been nice to hear the success stories from the Canopy and Trango operators. I have enjoyed the comparison sessions on the Backhauls and 900 MHz gear. Good advanced information from what I have seen in the WISPNOG session. There appears to be good number in attendance. There has been no shortage of FREE delicious food. Park City is beautiful. Good Job - Charles Staff. WiNOG 3 - How about St. Louis, MO? Best regards, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] winog Any winog news ? Gino -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)
Ohhh ok, jeje! Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) Brian is 21. Kurt is in high school. Guess I mushed them together :) George G.Villarini wrote: 21 and high school? George, you flunked kindergarten 3 times ? :-) Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save mylife) Brian :) Your only 21 years old, CONGRATS! When I read about guys like you and Kurt , who is still in high school and running a wisp, it makes me happy and proud of you guys that are starting life embracing a business and making a go at it. So keep up the hard work, someday you'll look back on this era of your life and understand why your a success at what ever you will be doing then. I strongly believe in young people getting involved and participating in the business world. It's a sign of independence and ingenuity, which is what drives the American way. Congrats again! George Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Sure is nice to ask for advice and be insulted. If you know so much about how I climb, tell me what I have done wrong. Or start asking me trick questions that I'll answer wrong. Than you may insult me. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] winog
Any info on the backhaul bash would be appreciated... who won ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Mabry Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] winog WISPA: Good morning, You are missing out on some very useful information from seasoned Operators on a wide range of gear. It has been nice to hear the success stories from the Canopy and Trango operators. I have enjoyed the comparison sessions on the Backhauls and 900 MHz gear. Good advanced information from what I have seen in the WISPNOG session. There appears to be good number in attendance. There has been no shortage of FREE delicious food. Park City is beautiful. Good Job - Charles Staff. WiNOG 3 - How about St. Louis, MO? Best regards, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] winog Any winog news ? Gino -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] winog
I second the vote for St. Louis. We have already offered to help with the bandwidth. It was great meeting you Jeff. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Mabry Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] winog WISPA: Good morning, You are missing out on some very useful information from seasoned Operators on a wide range of gear. It has been nice to hear the success stories from the Canopy and Trango operators. I have enjoyed the comparison sessions on the Backhauls and 900 MHz gear. Good advanced information from what I have seen in the WISPNOG session. There appears to be good number in attendance. There has been no shortage of FREE delicious food. Park City is beautiful. Good Job - Charles Staff. WiNOG 3 - How about St. Louis, MO? Best regards, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] winog Any winog news ? Gino -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)
Anytime ANYONE climbs for us - They have a double lanyard (shock cord) for going up the tower - they also have chain hooks for positioning and working on the tower - We also have cable grab safety systems on most of our towers currently and will be completely covered with the grab systems on all towers by mid part of next year. When they get into position to work - they are hooked off into 3 places. I do not ASK them to do this - They either do it - or they go home - Period. While they are climbing they are hooked to the tower at ALL times with 2 devices 1. cable grab - 2. lanyard - Even with that much precaution - I've had one of our guys slip and bust his chin wide open and was seeing stars for 20minutes - I bet he didn't even fall 8inches - 13 stiches and a fractured jaw ! We've had to do climbs in the dark on occasion - This may not be the safest - but we're also invested into some great lighting systems to brighten things up. There are many times that you SHOULDN'T climb - wet tower / ice on towers / high winds / rain / lightning / etc. I know a lot of us always take chances at different times - but remember - there is nothing in the world worth more then the safety of the person up on the tower. NEVER ! My brother went up a tower in the rain just the other day - We had a network segement out that had 90 customers on it - We waited for 36 hours for the rain to break and it never did. That 10 minute climb to the top took him 45minutes because of his carefullness and respect for danger / accidents... We were complaining ? HECK NO - We were in the truck watching his butt get soaked ! Be Safe - Or Die - Period - If you don't know what you're doing - DON'T DO IT JohnnyO Now here is a great instance of stupidity that turned out OK - Both myself and my brother were at 70ft on a Rohn25 tower taking it down I decided - what the hell - Let's do 1 section plus the 7ft top section at the same time - To save time and b/c I was in a rush Well - we jacked the tower apart - swung it to the side - the gin pole started to bend and bam ! When the Tower sections that fell 70ft stopped 20ft from the ground - it bent the remaining part of the tower to almost a 45deg angle. And left both of us dangling singing sweet jesus (in not so nice of terms) No big deal - we were on top of a big fluffy cedar tree ! Now - we were LUCKY we both didn't die - no excuses - was our own stupidity and our fault for being idiots. When you fall - you never fall TOWARDS the tower - You always fall AWAY from the tower ! No amount of reaction by yourself is going to save your butt - Your mind / nerves / muscles are not quickc enough - Before you know it - you're hitting the ground -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) IF you do that, you know at minimum, you won't fall to your death. I consider myself very observant. I will also always look for any piece of the tower that could be compromised. I understand that just because it still stands does not mean it is safe. I still believe that common sense if better than an educated idiot. Tom DeReggi wrote: Brian, I fully agree with George. Only issue is that when you start young, you usually don't know what you don't know, and become over confident. So be cautious about that. I see it way to often. The advantage of people that start out working for someone else in a specific trade, is they learn by seeing, and don't have to figure it out blind. For example in my case, I took a path of self employment instead of going to college. I was making good money so I didn't think I needed the formal training. It took 10 years into my business for me to realize what I didn't know, and how if I had that knowledge I may have been more successful in my ventures. I am now working hard to correct those weaknesses, but I wish I did it 10 years ago. My point is not to pass any judgement on your expertise, just advising that you recognize your weaknesses, so that you are in the position to address them, apposed to overlook them. As far as tower climbing, I hired someone to do my first couple installs. And I made sure that I was there every single moment to watch and learn. It was invaluable to me, before climbing myself. The reality is, its near the same cost to take a course as it is to pay someone for a day to install your gear. So thats one of the reasons the advise is to take a course, by many. Its sorta like sky diving, its generally a good idea to have someone experienced around the first time. If you make a mistake, the penalty can be severe. But if you member two simple rules, you'll probably be OK. Always have atleast one other person around, so if you get in trouble they can call for help.
Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
Not sure if you want to modify your advice of tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength after you read the following link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not aware of the dangers in doing so. http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/Will-Your-Safety-Harness-Kill-You~20040119.htm Lonnie On 8/17/05, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are some of the alternative good training programs other than Comtrain? My advice as a novice, is... Don't underestimate the strength it takes to climb to higher heights. Once you realize that its to far for your physique its to late, you still have the hardest part left, going back down again! The last thing you want to be doing is hyperventilating at the top of a tower. Don't be afraid to tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength. When you climb tired, its easy to get sloppy and under estimate where you are grabbing. Start out with shorter height excersizes to get familiar with the process and problems you will encounter. Simple problems get complicated, when you need at least one of the two hands to hold on. Issues such as where do you put the screws so you don't drop them, and can find them again when they need to get screwed back again. How do you keep your bucket from catching on things. What length do you need your tie-off lanyards adjusted to, to be comfortable. How do you hold the antenna, and screw it on at the same time, and hold on? You learn to use your tie offs optimally, and your legs. Most importantly DONT go climbing alone! Have the ground people do as much work as possible, to save the climber's strength. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] The climb safe thread Maybe I can't afford training, or maybe I don't want to allocate the funds for training. Either way, there are more people out there just like me. Since I was recently informed about my lack of common sense climbing, I figured a thread needs to be started. Everyone please post any pointers you you can think of that would benefit someone who lacks common sense. Anything from jumping into the back of a truck, ladder climbing, roof walking, tower monkey tips, procedure, gear, weather, what to haul up strapped to your back, pulleys to use, rope, ect.. I'm just an accident waiting to happen. =-O Everyone reading this understands that the opinions about to be given are just that and you should get real training before attempting any climbing. :-P http://www.comtrainusa.com/CoursesAvailable.htm G.Villarini wrote: Ohhh ok, jeje! Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) Brian is 21. Kurt is in high school. Guess I mushed them together :) George G.Villarini wrote: 21 and high school? George, you flunked kindergarten 3 times ? :-) Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save mylife) Brian :) Your only 21 years old, CONGRATS! When I read about guys like you and Kurt , who is still in high school and running a wisp, it makes me happy and proud of you guys that are starting life embracing a business and making a go at it. So keep up the hard work, someday you'll look back on this era of your life and understand why your a success at what ever you will be doing then. I strongly believe in young people getting involved and participating in the business world. It's a sign of independence and ingenuity, which is what drives the American way. Congrats again! George Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Sure is nice to ask for advice and be insulted. If you know so much about how I climb, tell me what I have done wrong. Or start asking me trick questions that I'll answer wrong. Than you may insult me. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.11/74 - Release Date: 8/17/2005 -- WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)
Some of this gets down to a very basic problem. If you can't afford to get the proper training, what else can you not afford? Customers do not care what you can or can not afford. The care about the service you provide. I would suggest going back to your business plan and reviewing the whole thing. How much money do you have? What do you need to get started? What would be nice to get started? I left out the cost of someone to climb my leased tower and it is killing the business plan. I don't have much choice, even if I climbed, I could not afford the insurance the owner requires any more than I can afford the climber. My point is, I can't afford the climber, but I can't afford not to hire him. Your customer service will be terrible if you fall. Even 20 feet and only in the hospital for a week could ruin a startup. I do not climb, never will. Personal thing. So I am not offering advice for climbing. It is a red flag to me when someone is starting up and says I can not afford ... I don't care if it is training, carrier grade equipment, or a screwdriver. That statement says to me that the business plan is not complete. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:08:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) Brain, I still believe that common sense if better than an educated idiot. I fully agree with you. However, what you fail to realise is that if you consider yourself a common sense person, and you get training, you will be a trained common sense person. Which is better than a common sense person alone. You will also fine that most trainers are not idiots. No matter how much training someone is given, if they are an idiot they have no business climbing either. There is a reason, that people like Bob are so attimate about their advise. They know what you don't know. I also consider my self a common sense person, but I just made a perfect example of how a common sense person can make a mistake, by not taking the time to think of everything, which often happens when someone does not have a lot of expereinece to reinforce memory. IF you do that, you know at minimum, you won't fall to your death. In reality that should have read, you MAY not fall to your death.. I forgot to ask what type of tower you were climbing before advising, and forgot to consider a simple basic concept that Bob mentioned, tie-off doesn't help if you are tied to something that can't withstand the force of a fall. One of the reasons, Tower Climbing advice threads are not popular is that it portays the messages that Climbing can be a casual do it your self thing, jsut like installing a WIFI AP. But the last I heard, no one has ever been killed by a WIFI AP. Tower Climbing is serious business, and shouldn't be done lightly. I'm was in the same position as you are, I couldn't justify paying $2000 everytime that I needed an antenna adjusted, I had to learn more about it, so I could climb as an option when needed. But there is significant risk in doing that. I got the same backlash that you did on this list. The difference is that I took their advice, and learned more about it, before taking the risk. At minimum, you should find an experienced person to go with you for the first climb, and its not likely that that will be free. Good luck. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) IF you do that, you know at minimum, you won't fall to your death. I consider myself very observant. I will also always look for any piece of the tower that could be compromised. I understand that just because it still stands does not mean it is safe. I still believe that common sense if better than an educated idiot. Tom DeReggi wrote: Brian, I fully agree with George. Only issue is that when you start young, you usually don't know what you don't know, and become over confident. So be cautious about that. I see it way to often. The advantage of people that start out working for someone else in a specific trade, is they learn by seeing, and don't have to figure it out blind. For example in my case, I took a path of self employment instead of
[WISPA] new GOOGLE MAP Ready for Beta Testing
Team. http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-service/ is ready to be beta tested... oddly.. it's missing some of the data that comes up in my admin screen at http://wifi-hotspot.wirelessinternetcoverage.com/inputpreview.html try them both and let me know if your wisp shows in the ADMIN Screen BUT NOT in the public website:http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-service/ PS.. reminded.. to use the admin screen... you'll need to enter the work WISP in the blank field and check the box to its left ... then press show 100 points and give it about 20 seconds.. lemme know.. .awaiting your feedback ...thx-- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisorhttp://evdo-coverage.comhttp://wirelessinternetcoverage.com http://hsdpa-coverage.com2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101Suite 102Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007206 984 0880 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Google map UPDATE
team, the ADD A WISP feature is right now being programmed back in.. I'll let you know when it's ready... Show other sites... yes.. We are thinking about showing 1 central point per wisp THEN if the user is interested in seeing more.. the number of points can expand to show all your ap's or footprint centers... looks like things are moving ahead... thanks for your patience too.. On 8/16/05, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or a button that says, Show other sites by this provider. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor To: WISPA General List ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree Scott.. that makes sense.. i think what we will do is have a button next to the CITY/ZIP filters that say, SHOW SURROUNDING Wireless Internet Service Providers that will make sure the map is more useful... thoughts? John, can we do this??? On 8/16/05, Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some are typists, some are clickers. Clickers don't type. Not too hard to click on a state, click on a city and be close to home. Just need to be able to see the WISPs that are in town. I realize that you have drop downs for the cities, but as someone mentioned before, if I list my WISP as Richmond, then people in Webster, Williamsburg, Fountain City, Whitewater, Middlebourogh, Boston, Centerville, Mineral Springs, Cambridge City, Penville, Milton, Hagerstown, Greensfork, ... may not find me. And that is in a 10 to 15 mile circle. If they click on their town and get a 25 mile map with markers, they found me. If they put in their own zip, they may not find me. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:23:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree John, see below.. 2 links for you to compare for the Fieldmapping issue... Tom, Scott,, ok.. i see now... yes.. i agree...well... we do have a State/City/Zip filter.. that outta help... so that the user doesnt have to circumnavigate the globe to find ya :o) currently our map has this data http://photos21.flickr.com/34558146_a2c9ca64d4_o.jpg but since the DB ties are not done yet... http://photos22.flickr.com/34564496_549efc3f13_o.jpg is what you'll get till we are done...working on it now.. lemme know what other thoughts you have tooOn 8/16/05, Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is what my original post was about as well. I do not have a problem with how to enter, though I hope I can edit soon. It is a pain for the potential customer. I always tell the programmers that have worked for me, I do not care how hard it is for you, it MUST be easy for the user. Same here, doesn't have to be super easy for me to get my sites listed, but the potential customer should not have to work to find me. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:41:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree Robert, You may have misunderstood. Entering my sites is NOT awkward for me, and I do not mind the proceedure. I am a technical person, intuitive to figure it out, and worth my time to enter once, regardless if awkward, for the advantage of many to open easilly. My complaint, was for prospects to find my info after it was entered, was awkward for them. If it is awkward for the porspect, they won't spend the time to locate all the possible cell site locations available to them.My concern is strictly about improving the ease and accuracy for the prospect to find the data on the map. That is whereimprovements are needed most. I agree that your project is comming along well, and I appreciate your contribution. My comments are strictly meant as helpful criticism so it may continue to evolve. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree Tom.. awkward is the right word.. and i do agree.. the good news is that while its not ideal for you to enter your points yet (getting better) your potential clients will have a pretty simple time of it.. but.. .i'm still working on it.. On 8/15/05, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to see autozoom to the state level when you click on the state. Its difficult to make out the up to 100 sites in the area on the full zoom out national view. If you click on ome of them then when
Re: [WISPA] new GOOGLE MAP Ready for Beta Testing
None of my entries show up in either page :-( I use Netscape 7.2, but I tried IE as well. And it seemed to take closer to a min to refresh. Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor wrote: Team. http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-service/ is ready to be beta tested... oddly.. it's missing some of the data that comes up in my admin screen at http://wifi-hotspot.wirelessinternetcoverage.com/inputpreview.html try them both and let me know if your wisp shows in the ADMIN Screen BUT NOT in the public website: http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-service/ PS.. reminded.. to use the admin screen... you'll need to enter the work "WISP" in the blank field and check the box to its left ... then press show 100 points and give it about 20 seconds.. lemme know.. .awaiting your feedback ...thx -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisor http://evdo-coverage.com http://wirelessinternetcoverage.com http://hsdpa-coverage.com 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 Suite 102 Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 206 984 0880 -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google map UPDATE
Johnny, no problem... the website is benefiting my company greatly too... with out your WISP data.. i'd get much less traffic... so its a win win.. the way things work best! thanks! On 8/17/05, JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Robert - Can't Wait - You're awesome for doing this for us. JohnnyO -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:02 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] Google map UPDATE team, the ADD A WISP feature is right now being programmed back in.. I'll let you know when it's ready... Show other sites... yes.. We are thinking about showing 1 central point per wisp THEN if the user is interested in seeing more.. the number of points can expand to show all your ap's or footprint centers... looks like things are moving ahead... thanks for your patience too.. On 8/16/05, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or a button that says, Show other sites by this provider. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor To: WISPA General List ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree Scott.. that makes sense.. i think what we will do is have a button next to the CITY/ZIP filters that say, SHOW SURROUNDING Wireless Internet Service Providers that will make sure the map is more useful... thoughts? John, can we do this??? On 8/16/05, Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some are typists, some are clickers. Clickers don't type. Not too hard to click on a state, click on a city and be close to home. Just need to be able to see the WISPs that are in town. I realize that you have drop downs for the cities, but as someone mentioned before, if I list my WISP as Richmond, then people in Webster, Williamsburg, Fountain City, Whitewater, Middlebourogh, Boston, Centerville, Mineral Springs, Cambridge City, Penville, Milton, Hagerstown, Greensfork, ... may not find me. And that is in a 10 to 15 mile circle. If they click on their town and get a 25 mile map with markers, they found me. If they put in their own zip, they may not find me. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:23:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree John, see below.. 2 links for you to compare for the Fieldmapping issue... Tom, Scott,, ok.. i see now... yes.. i agree...well... we do have a State/City/Zip filter.. that outta help... so that the user doesnt have to circumnavigate the globe to find ya :o) currently our map has this data http://photos21.flickr.com/34558146_a2c9ca64d4_o.jpg but since the DB ties are not done yet... http://photos22.flickr.com/34564496_549efc3f13_o.jpg is what you'll get till we are done...working on it now.. lemme know what other thoughts you have tooOn 8/16/05, Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is what my original post was about as well. I do not have a problem with how to enter, though I hope I can edit soon. It is a pain for the potential customer. I always tell the programmers that have worked for me, I do not care how hard it is for you, it MUST be easy for the user. Same here, doesn't have to be super easy for me to get my sites listed, but the potential customer should not have to work to find me. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:41:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree Robert, You may have misunderstood. Entering my sites is NOT awkward for me, and I do not mind the proceedure. I am a technical person, intuitive to figure it out, and worth my time to enter once, regardless if awkward, for the advantage of many to open easilly. My complaint, was for prospects to find my info after it was entered, was awkward for them. If it is awkward for the porspect, they won't spend the time to locate all the possible cell site locations available to them.My concern is strictly about improving the ease and accuracy for the prospect to find the data on the map. That is whereimprovements are needed most. I agree that your project is comming along well, and I appreciate your contribution. My comments are strictly meant as helpful criticism so it may continue to evolve. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:08 PM
RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)
Title: Message Scott - I really hate to blow the whistle on your post to Brian - but - I myself like many many dozens of others on the list - want to know - What is a Business Plan ! LOL JohnnyO -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian RohrbacherSent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:41 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)Let me say it this way. I don't want to pay for it.Scott Reed wrote: Some of this gets down to a very basic problem. If you can't afford to get the proper training, what else can you not afford? Customers do not care what you can or can not afford. The care about the service you provide. I would suggest going back to your business plan and reviewing the whole thing. How much money do you have? What do you need to get started? What would be nice to get started? I left out the cost of someone to climb my leased tower and it is killing the business plan. I don't have much choice, even if I climbed, I could not afford the insurance the owner requires any more than I can afford the climber. My point is, I can't afford the climber, but I can't afford not to hire him. Your customer service will be terrible if you fall. Even 20 feet and only in the hospital for a week could ruin a startup. I do not climb, never will. Personal thing. So I am not offering advice for climbing. It is a red flag to me when someone is starting up and says "I can not afford ..." I don't care if it is training, carrier grade equipment, or a screwdriver. That statement says to me that the business plan is not complete. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: "Tom DeReggi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:08:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) Brain,I still believe that common sense if better than an educated idiot. I fully agree with you. However, what you fail to realise is that if you consider yourself a common sense person, and you get training, you will be a trained common sense person. Which is better than a common sense person alone. You will also fine that most trainers are not idiots. No matter how much training someone is given, if they are an idiot they have no business climbing either. There is a reason, that people like Bob are so attimate about their advise. They know what you don't know. I also consider my self a common sense person, but I just made a perfect example of how a common sense person can make a mistake, by not taking the time to think of everything, which often happens when someone does not have a lot of expereinece to reinforce memory. "IF you do that, you know at minimum, you won't fall to your death." In reality that should have read, "you MAY not fall to your death.". I forgot to ask what type of tower you were climbing before advising, and forgot to consider a simple basic concept that Bob mentioned, tie-off doesn't help if you are tied to something that can't withstand the force of a fall. One of the reasons, Tower Climbing advice threads are not popular is that it portays the messages that Climbing can be a casual do it your self thing, jsut like installing a WIFI AP. But the last I heard, no one has ever been killed by a WIFI AP. Tower Climbing is serious business, and shouldn't be done lightly. I'm was in the same position as you are, I couldn't justify paying $2000 everytime that I needed an antenna adjusted, I had to learn more about it, so I could climb as an option when needed. But there is significant risk in doing that. I got the same backlash that you did on this list. The difference is that I took their advice, and learned more about it, before taking the risk. At minimum, you should find an experienced person to go with you for the first climb, and its not likely that that will be free. Good luck. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) "IF you do that, you know at minimum, you won't fall to your death." I consider myself very observant. I will also always look for any piece of the tower that could be compromised. I understand that just because it still
Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
Lonnie, Interesting Arcticle. First, I want to correct a previous statement. What I wrote was not what I meant. When I was suggesting using the seat, I didn't mean actually sit down, what I meant was use the seat. I use the lanyard to attach at the seat side D-Rings, and lean back so my legs and straps share the weight instead of my arms. In this possition it is easy to rest and regain strength. What I didn't know, and found interesting in the arcticle posted was: Third, the harness keeps the worker in an upright position, regardless of loss of consciousness, which is what kills workers. I never knew that. I was under the impression that if the head got cocked back or cocked down, that it would restrict airflow, or if person got inverted, blood rrush to their head and die, therefore upright was best. But after reading that, It sounds like to me that if you go unconcious, you are screwed any way you rest, and really the only positive option to save a person is shortening the time to complete the rescue. Any advice on the preferred way to hang if you are unconcious? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread Not sure if you want to modify your advice of tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength after you read the following link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not aware of the dangers in doing so. http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/Will-Your-Safety-Harness-Kill-You~20040119.htm Lonnie On 8/17/05, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are some of the alternative good training programs other than Comtrain? My advice as a novice, is... Don't underestimate the strength it takes to climb to higher heights. Once you realize that its to far for your physique its to late, you still have the hardest part left, going back down again! The last thing you want to be doing is hyperventilating at the top of a tower. Don't be afraid to tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength. When you climb tired, its easy to get sloppy and under estimate where you are grabbing. Start out with shorter height excersizes to get familiar with the process and problems you will encounter. Simple problems get complicated, when you need at least one of the two hands to hold on. Issues such as where do you put the screws so you don't drop them, and can find them again when they need to get screwed back again. How do you keep your bucket from catching on things. What length do you need your tie-off lanyards adjusted to, to be comfortable. How do you hold the antenna, and screw it on at the same time, and hold on? You learn to use your tie offs optimally, and your legs. Most importantly DONT go climbing alone! Have the ground people do as much work as possible, to save the climber's strength. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] The climb safe thread Maybe I can't afford training, or maybe I don't want to allocate the funds for training. Either way, there are more people out there just like me. Since I was recently informed about my lack of common sense climbing, I figured a thread needs to be started. Everyone please post any pointers you you can think of that would benefit someone who lacks common sense. Anything from jumping into the back of a truck, ladder climbing, roof walking, tower monkey tips, procedure, gear, weather, what to haul up strapped to your back, pulleys to use, rope, ect.. I'm just an accident waiting to happen. =-O Everyone reading this understands that the opinions about to be given are just that and you should get real training before attempting any climbing. :-P http://www.comtrainusa.com/CoursesAvailable.htm G.Villarini wrote: Ohhh ok, jeje! Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) Brian is 21. Kurt is in high school. Guess I mushed them together :) George G.Villarini wrote: 21 and high school? George, you flunked kindergarten 3 times ? :-) Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]
Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
http://www.comtrainusa.com/Tower%20Tech/ttech.htm While we're on the topic, wouldn't it be best to take this class too? If your climbing towers, you should know how to build one. That is the only way you might determine if one is safe to climb. Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Not sure if you want to modify your advice of "tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength" after you read the following link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not aware of the dangers in doing so. http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/Will-Your-Safety-Harness-Kill-You~20040119.htm Lonnie On 8/17/05, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are some of the alternative good training programs other than Comtrain? My advice as a novice, is... Don't underestimate the strength it takes to climb to higher heights. Once you realize that its to far for your physique its to late, you still have the hardest part left, going back down again! The last thing you want to be doing is hyperventilating at the top of a tower. Don't be afraid to tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength. When you climb tired, its easy to get sloppy and under estimate where you are grabbing. Start out with shorter height excersizes to get familiar with the process and problems you will encounter. Simple problems get complicated, when you need at least one of the two hands to hold on. Issues such as where do you put the screws so you don't drop them, and can find them again when they need to get screwed back again. How do you keep your bucket from catching on things. What length do you need your tie-off lanyards adjusted to, to be comfortable. How do you hold the antenna, and screw it on at the same time, and hold on? You learn to use your tie offs optimally, and your legs. Most importantly DON"T go climbing alone! Have the ground people do as much work as possible, to save the climber's strength. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] The climb safe thread Maybe I can't afford training, or maybe I don't want to allocate the funds for training. Either way, there are more people out there just like me. Since I was recently informed about my lack of common sense climbing, I figured a thread needs to be started. Everyone please post any pointers you you can think of that would benefit someone who lacks common sense. Anything from jumping into the back of a truck, ladder climbing, roof walking, tower monkey tips, procedure, gear, weather, what to haul up strapped to your back, pulleys to use, rope, ect.. I'm just an accident waiting to happen. =-O Everyone reading this understands that the opinions about to be given are just that and you should get "real" training before attempting any climbing. :-P http://www.comtrainusa.com/CoursesAvailable.htm G.Villarini wrote: Ohhh ok, jeje! Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) Brian is 21. Kurt is in high school. Guess I mushed them together :) George G.Villarini wrote: 21 and high school? George, you flunked kindergarten 3 times ? :-) Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save mylife) Brian :) Your only 21 years old, CONGRATS! When I read about guys like you and Kurt , who is still in high school and running a wisp, it makes me happy and proud of you guys that are starting life embracing a business and making a go at it. So keep up the hard work, someday you'll look back on this era of your life and understand why your a success at what ever you will be doing then. I strongly believe in young people getting involved and participating in the business world. It's a sign of independence and ingenuity, which is what drives the
Re: [WISPA] Google map UPDATE
We are thinking about showing 1 central point per wisp Advise against that. There is no central point in a large multi-region network. It would defeat the purpose of a coverage map. We can already go to a listlike PART-15 Wisp locater and find broadcoverage area for a provider, without a map. The purpose of the map is to show the large number of options available to users for connectivity. The only thing your MAP is missing is automatic zooming. If a user selects a zip code or city, the map should zoom into that zipcode or city, maybe a 30 mile radius?? And then show all sites within that range. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: [WISPA] Google map UPDATE team, the ADD A WISP feature is right now being programmed back in.. I'll let you know when it's ready... Show other sites... yes.. We are thinking about showing 1 central point per wisp THEN if the user is interested in seeing more.. the number of points can expand to show all your ap's or footprint centers... looks like things are moving ahead... thanks for your patience too.. On 8/16/05, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or a button that says, "Show other sites by this provider". Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor To: WISPA General List ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree Scott.. that makes sense.. i think what we will do is have a button next to the CITY/ZIP filters that say, "SHOW SURROUNDING Wireless Internet Service Providers" that will make sure the map is more useful... thoughts? John, can we do this??? On 8/16/05, Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some are typists, some are clickers. Clickers don't type. Not too hard to click on a state, click on a city and be close to home. Just need to be able to see the WISPs that are in town. I realize that you have drop downs for the cities, but as someone mentioned before, if I list my WISP as Richmond, then people in Webster, Williamsburg, Fountain City, Whitewater, Middlebourogh, Boston, Centerville, Mineral Springs, Cambridge City, Penville, Milton, Hagerstown, Greensfork, ... may not find me. And that is in a 10 to 15 mile circle. If they click on their town and get a 25 mile map with markers, they found me. If they put in their own zip, they may not find me. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:23:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree John, see below.. 2 links for you to compare for the Fieldmapping issue... Tom, Scott,, ok.. i see now... yes.. i agree... well... we do have a State/City/Zip filter.. that outta help... so that the user doesnt have to circumnavigate the globe to find ya :o)currently our map has this data http://photos21.flickr.com/34558146_a2c9ca64d4_o.jpg but since the DB ties are not done yet... http://photos22.flickr.com/34564496_549efc3f13_o.jpg is what you'll get till we are done... working on it now.. lemme know what other thoughts you have tooOn 8/16/05, Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is what my original post was about as well. I do not have a problem with how to enter, though I hope I can edit soon. It is a pain for the potential customer. I always tell the programmers that have worked for me, "I do not care how hard it is for you, it MUST be easy for the user". Same here, doesn't have to be super easy for me to get my sites listed, but the potential customer should not have to work to find me. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: "Tom DeReggi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:41:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree Robert, You
RE: [WISPA] winog
On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Jeff Mabry wrote: WiNOG 3 - How about St. Louis, MO? Yeah...I'd vote for that. Or Malden, MO. Population 5000. :-) -- Butch Evans BPS Networks http://www.bpsnetworks.com/ Bernie, MO Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
I agree. If you have ever seen one come down you know that it should be built correctly, and not by some guy who is cheap and dirty. A poorly constructed or installed tower can do much property damage and can even kill. I think common sense is great, but professional sense with respect to technical or trade things is better. If you do not wish to take a complete safety course why not approach your local fire dept and see if they would give some pointers at least. Join a rock climbing club and really get into it. The same issues are there when you are hanging on to a rock face and a slip or fall means certain death. Lonnie On 8/17/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.comtrainusa.com/Tower%20Tech/ttech.htm While we're on the topic, wouldn't it be best to take this class too? If your climbing towers, you should know how to build one. That is the only way you might determine if one is safe to climb. Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Not sure if you want to modify your advice of tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength after you read the following link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not aware of the dangers in doing so. http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/Will-Your-Safety-Harness-Kill-You~20040119.htm Lonnie On 8/17/05, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are some of the alternative good training programs other than Comtrain? My advice as a novice, is... Don't underestimate the strength it takes to climb to higher heights. Once you realize that its to far for your physique its to late, you still have the hardest part left, going back down again! The last thing you want to be doing is hyperventilating at the top of a tower. Don't be afraid to tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength. When you climb tired, its easy to get sloppy and under estimate where you are grabbing. Start out with shorter height excersizes to get familiar with the process and problems you will encounter. Simple problems get complicated, when you need at least one of the two hands to hold on. Issues such as where do you put the screws so you don't drop them, and can find them again when they need to get screwed back again. How do you keep your bucket from catching on things. What length do you need your tie-off lanyards adjusted to, to be comfortable. How do you hold the antenna, and screw it on at the same time, and hold on? You learn to use your tie offs optimally, and your legs. Most importantly DONT go climbing alone! Have the ground people do as much work as possible, to save the climber's strength. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] The climb safe thread Maybe I can't afford training, or maybe I don't want to allocate the funds for training. Either way, there are more people out there just like me. Since I was recently informed about my lack of common sense climbing, I figured a thread needs to be started. Everyone please post any pointers you you can think of that would benefit someone who lacks common sense. Anything from jumping into the back of a truck, ladder climbing, roof walking, tower monkey tips, procedure, gear, weather, what to haul up strapped to your back, pulleys to use, rope, ect.. I'm just an accident waiting to happen. =-O Everyone reading this understands that the opinions about to be given are just that and you should get real training before attempting any climbing. :-P http://www.comtrainusa.com/CoursesAvailable.htm G.Villarini wrote: Ohhh ok, jeje! Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) Brian is 21. Kurt is in high school. Guess I mushed them together :) George G.Villarini wrote: 21 and high school? George, you flunked kindergarten 3 times ? :-) Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save mylife) Brian :) Your only 21 years old, CONGRATS! When I read about guys like you and Kurt , who is still in high school and running a wisp, it makes me happy and proud of you guys that are starting life embracing a business and making a go at it. So keep up the hard work, someday you'll
Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
Now rock climbing, that sounds fun. I wonder how far $600 would go in a rock climbing club. Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: I agree. If you have ever seen one come down you know that it should be built correctly, and not by some guy who is cheap and dirty. A poorly constructed or installed tower can do much property damage and can even kill. I think common sense is great, but professional sense with respect to technical or trade things is better. If you do not wish to take a complete safety course why not approach your local fire dept and see if they would give some pointers at least. Join a rock climbing club and really get into it. The same issues are there when you are hanging on to a rock face and a slip or fall means certain death. Lonnie On 8/17/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.comtrainusa.com/Tower%20Tech/ttech.htm While we're on the topic, wouldn't it be best to take this class too? If your climbing towers, you should know how to build one. That is the only way you might determine if one is safe to climb. Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Not sure if you want to modify your advice of "tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength" after you read the following link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not aware of the dangers in doing so. http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/Will-Your-Safety-Harness-Kill-You~20040119.htm Lonnie On 8/17/05, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are some of the alternative good training programs other than Comtrain? My advice as a novice, is... Don't underestimate the strength it takes to climb to higher heights. Once you realize that its to far for your physique its to late, you still have the hardest part left, going back down again! The last thing you want to be doing is hyperventilating at the top of a tower. Don't be afraid to tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength. When you climb tired, its easy to get sloppy and under estimate where you are grabbing. Start out with shorter height excersizes to get familiar with the process and problems you will encounter. Simple problems get complicated, when you need at least one of the two hands to hold on. Issues such as where do you put the screws so you don't drop them, and can find them again when they need to get screwed back again. How do you keep your bucket from catching on things. What length do you need your tie-off lanyards adjusted to, to be comfortable. How do you hold the antenna, and screw it on at the same time, and hold on? You learn to use your tie offs optimally, and your legs. Most importantly DON"T go climbing alone! Have the ground people do as much work as possible, to save the climber's strength. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] The climb safe thread Maybe I can't afford training, or maybe I don't want to allocate the funds for training. Either way, there are more people out there just like me. Since I was recently informed about my lack of common sense climbing, I figured a thread needs to be started. Everyone please post any pointers you you can think of that would benefit someone who lacks common sense. Anything from jumping into the back of a truck, ladder climbing, roof walking, tower monkey tips, procedure, gear, weather, what to haul up strapped to your back, pulleys to use, rope, ect.. I'm just an accident waiting to happen. =-O Everyone reading this understands that the opinions about to be given are just that and you should get "real" training before attempting any climbing. :-P http://www.comtrainusa.com/CoursesAvailable.htm G.Villarini wrote: Ohhh ok, jeje! Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:58 AM To:
RE: [WISPA] winog
How about some nice caribbean sun down here in Puerto Ricoocean front conference room with bikini view ! Gino From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian RohrbacherSent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:10 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] winog And then there is always Grand Rapids, MI. :)Heck, as long as it is in the midwest.Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Jeff Mabry wrote: WiNOG 3 - How about St. Louis, MO? Yeah...I'd vote for that. Or Malden, MO. Population 5000. :-) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Not sure if you want to modify your advice of tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength after you read the following link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not aware of the dangers in doing so. http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/Will-Your-Safety-Harness-Kill-You~20040119.htm Lonnie I had my guy read this link. One thing to note, is that the harness with the seat, is not really a seat that you sit in and dangle your feet. It just adds added comfort. I think that was an important article for everyone to read. I mean who knew that this was something that happens. Surprised. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)
Well, Johnny, A business plan is a package of paper that one puts together in the spare time they have before they start to implement said plan and find out they had no clue what they were doing, and now that they are doing something else, they no less about what they are doing. :) I have not read mine in 8 months. Wonder what I said I would be doing this week. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:43:50 -0500 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) Scott - I really hate to blow the whistle on your post to Brian - but - I myself like many many dozens of others on the list - want to know - What is a Business Plan ! LOL JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) Let me say it this way. I don't want to pay for it. Scott Reed wrote: Some of this gets down to a very basic problem. If you can't afford to get the proper training, what else can you not afford? Customers do not care what you can or can not afford. The care about the service you provide. I would suggest going back to your business plan and reviewing the whole thing. How much money do you have? What do you need to get started? What would be nice to get started? I left out the cost of someone to climb my leased tower and it is killing the business plan. I don't have much choice, even if I climbed, I could not afford the insurance the owner requires any more than I can afford the climber. My point is, I can't afford the climber, but I can't afford not to hire him. Your customer service will be terrible if you fall. Even 20 feet and only in the hospital for a week could ruin a startup. I do not climb, never will. Personal thing. So I am not offering advice for climbing. It is a red flag to me when someone is starting up and says I can not afford ... I don't care if it is training, carrier grade equipment, or a screwdriver. That statement says to me that the business plan is not complete. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:08:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) Brain, I still believe that common sense if better than an educated idiot. I fully agree with you. However, what you fail to realise is that if you consider yourself a common sense person, and you get training, you will be a trained common sense person. Which is better than a common sense person alone. You will also fine that most trainers are not idiots. No matter how much training someone is given, if they are an idiot they have no business climbing either. There is a reason, that people like Bob are so attimate about their advise. They know what you don't know. I also consider my self a common sense person, but I just made a perfect example of how a common sense person can make a mistake, by not taking the time to think of everything, which often happens when someone does not have a lot of expereinece to reinforce memory. IF you do that, you know at minimum, you won't fall to your death. In reality that should have read, you MAY not fall to your death.. I forgot to ask what type of tower you were climbing before advising, and forgot to consider a simple basic concept that Bob mentioned, tie-off doesn't help if you are tied to something that can't withstand the force of a fall. One of the reasons, Tower Climbing advice threads are not popular is that it portays the messages that Climbing can be a casual do it your self thing, jsut like installing a WIFI AP. But the last I heard, no one has ever been killed by a WIFI AP. Tower Climbing is serious business, and shouldn't be done lightly. I'm was in the same position as you are, I couldn't justify paying $2000 everytime that I needed an antenna adjusted, I had to learn more about it, so I could climb as an option when needed.
Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
Am I correct in thinking that this one http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10200 will kill you faster than this one? http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10192 I would think the seat strap takes pressure off the leg straps. I'm thinking the leg straps is what cuts off the circulation. Is this thinking correct? Also, I printed the article and will deliver it to the fire chief here so he knows how to save my ass without killing it. =-O George wrote: Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Not sure if you want to modify your advice of tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength after you read the following link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not aware of the dangers in doing so. http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/Will-Your-Safety-Harness-Kill-You~20040119.htm Lonnie I had my guy read this link. One thing to note, is that the harness with the seat, is not really a seat that you sit in and dangle your feet. It just adds added comfort. I think that was an important article for everyone to read. I mean who knew that this was something that happens. Surprised. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)
All I know is I was suppose to sell out by now an own my own island somewhere. :) Just kidding, I understood from the get go this is no get rich quick scheme. Scott Reed wrote: Well, Johnny, A business plan is a package of paper that one puts together in the spare time they have before they start to implement said plan and find out they had no clue what they were doing, and now that they are doing something else, they no less about what they are doing. :) I have not read mine in 8 months. Wonder what I said I would be doing this week. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: "JohnnyO" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:43:50 -0500 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) Scott - I really hate to blow the whistle on your post to Brian - but - I myself like many many dozens of others on the list - want to know - What is a Business Plan ! LOL JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) Let me say it this way. I don't want to pay for it. Scott Reed wrote: Some of this gets down to a very basic problem. If you can't afford to get the proper training, what else can you not afford? Customers do not care what you can or can not afford. The care about the service you provide. I would suggest going back to your business plan and reviewing the whole thing. How much money do you have? What do you need to get started? What would be nice to get started? I left out the cost of someone to climb my leased tower and it is killing the business plan. I don't have much choice, even if I climbed, I could not afford the insurance the owner requires any more than I can afford the climber. My point is, I can't afford the climber, but I can't afford not to hire him. Your customer service will be terrible if you fall. Even 20 feet and only in the hospital for a week could ruin a startup. I do not climb, never will. Personal thing. So I am not offering advice for climbing. It is a red flag to me when someone is starting up and says "I can not afford ..." I don't care if it is training, carrier grade equipment, or a screwdriver. That statement says to me that the business plan is not complete. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: "Tom DeReggi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:08:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) Brain, I still believe that common sense if better than an educated idiot. I fully agree with you. However, what you fail to realise is that if you consider yourself a common sense person, and you get training, you will be a trained common sense person. Which is better than a common sense person alone. You will also fine that most trainers are not idiots. No matter how much training someone is given, if they are an idiot they have no business climbing either. There is a reason, that people like Bob are so attimate about their advise. They know what you don't know. I also consider my self a common sense person, but I just made a perfect example of how a common sense person can make a mistake, by not taking the time to think of everything, which often happens when someone does not have a lot of expereinece to reinforce memory. "IF you do that, you know at minimum, you won't fall to your death." In reality that should have read, "you MAY not fall to your death.". I forgot to ask what type of tower you were climbing before advising, and forgot to consider a simple basic concept that Bob mentioned, tie-off doesn't help if you are tied to something that can't withstand the force of a fall. One of the reasons, Tower Climbing advice threads are not popular is that it portays the messages that Climbing can be a casual do it your self thing, jsut like installing a WIFI AP. But the last I heard, no one has ever been killed by a WIFI AP. Tower Climbing is serious business, and shouldn't be done lightly. I'm was in the same position as you are, I couldn't justify paying $2000 everytime that I needed an antenna adjusted, I had to learn more about it, so I could climb as an option when needed. But there is significant risk in doing that. I got the same backlash that you did on this list. The difference is that I took their advice, and
RE: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
Don't know about that but look at the sala's. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread Am I correct in thinking that this one http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10200 will kill you faster than this one? http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10192 I would think the seat strap takes pressure off the leg straps. I'm thinking the leg straps is what cuts off the circulation. Is this thinking correct? Also, I printed the article and will deliver it to the fire chief here so he knows how to save my ass without killing it. =-O George wrote: Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Not sure if you want to modify your advice of tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength after you read the following link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not aware of the dangers in doing so. http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/Will-Your-Sa fety-Harness-Kill-You~20040119.htm Lonnie I had my guy read this link. One thing to note, is that the harness with the seat, is not really a seat that you sit in and dangle your feet. It just adds added comfort. I think that was an important article for everyone to read. I mean who knew that this was something that happens. Surprised. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Gas Prices
Is anyone bumping up their install or monthly fees to offset high gas prices? Gas went up over 60 cents this week. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gas Prices
We hit 2.60/gal this week. I heard some places are over 3.00/gal. This is insane. Just 3 more years of it, anyone think they can make it at 5/gal? Time for a air powered car. http://www.theaircar.com/ or maybe just a bicycle Jeromie Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Is anyone bumping up their install or monthly fees to offset high gas prices? Gas went up over 60 cents this week. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)
First thing I do is get some leather soled, slip on shoes. I walk through the mud and hop on the tower. I take an extra jacket that I tie off to my waist and, if my legs get tired, re-tie it to the tower leg and around me. Normally, the backpack I have on is filled with tools - I bring everything, power drill, bits, wratchet set - its heavy and bulky, but better than having to return to the ground. I usally wear just one glove, that way if the ice on the tower is bothering my bare hand I can just hold on with the gloved hand. I find it challanging when the wind is blowing just before an electrical storm to get to the highest part of the tower before I hear the thunder. I'll count down 1.2.3.4.5 after the flash, and if I can get to 3, I know I'm safe. Sometimes my loose jacket will snag on an antenna on the way up and hold me up for a few seconds but I can swing around holding on with one hand. I never climb with a rope. If I do drag a rope up with me, I make sure its a nylon one - light and with no give. I'll weave it through the tower as I go up, and keep the end of it wrapped up on one hand - usually the bare one. Once I'm up above 100 feet, I'll lock an arm around the tower and put much shoe into a cross member to get relaxed. Sometimes the blood cuts off in my arm and I can't feel anything in that arm, but I know I'm safe. Often when I'm pulling up a 150 lbs of extra stuff on a '25 tower, it tends to band into other antennas and get stuck, but if you pull really hard, you can normally get it loose. And if you do any of this stuff, don't call yourself a professional, or complain if you are dead in a day of climbing. Mac Dearman wrote: I meant 3 people on this list!!! Mac Mac Dearman wrote: I would be willing to bet that their aint more than 3 people who have actually attended and completed a climbing school. I have been climbing for years and have never been to an actual school that I had to pay for. I have yet to fall, bust a chin or a nut on a tower. I may fall in the morning, but it won't be because I wasnt tied off - - - I am worth more dead than alive in ca$h - - - so someone hire a private detective to check my wifes knife along with my lanyard :-) Good common sense is worth more than anything I can think of. I have had some private tutoring by seasoned pro's that has been a great help. I would attend and pay for professional training even today if there was such a thing anywhere in the South. My best advice is to get training, but if you cant - - take your time as you climb, be sure you are 100% locked off and no drinking alcohol or smoking pot...etc before climbing and ALWAYS wear sunglasses, gloves and take water!!! NEVER CLIMB ALONE - always have someone on the ground watching for you and paying attention - - not sleeping! If you get scared, come down easy and try again another day. No war was ever won in a single day!!! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
