date:20060918

Right, I caught that too...not sure if Peter did, but the company is related
to the wireless industry regardless.  I found it interesting the PR mentions
wireless hardware, but nowhere on their site do they mention hardware...only
software.

Additionally my interest in this post was due to the location of
Tango...here in my neck of the woods.  

Best,


Brad


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right... TANGO not TRANGO

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Funny that their site only mentions they are a software company. 

Best,

Brad


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  Tango Networks coy about funding round

At least $9.5 million of planned $20 million already raised


  Dallas Business Journal - September 15, 2006
  http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2006/09/18/story18.html

Tango Networks, a Plano maker of wireless equipment, has raised at least
$9.6 million of a planned $20 million round of funding, according to a
Securities and Exchange Commission filing.

Backers of the company, which was incorporated in September 2005, include
the Stanford, Conn.-based TWJ Capital Opportunity Fund I L.P. No other
institutional investors are listed in the August SEC filing.


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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted on Federal Fraud Charges

2006-09-18 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler


I have heard about this on a few lists.  Nothing I read indicates that
he refused to repay the loans, so how can there be fraud?

Doesn't it just burn everybody that someone will commit fraud
(supposedly) and then have the audacity to use those funds for
payroll?


Lonnie

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defrauding the U.S. Department of Agriculture of more than $1.6 million
in connection with a $4.2 million loan related to the expansion of
wireless broadband service to rural Minnesota.

http://communitydispatch.com/artman/publish/article_6420.shtml
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RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request









Hello Ken,

 

Yes, it has been some time since we last
met.  I believe it was with my brother Jack more than a couple years ago
at your place near Alvarado.  I believe it may have even been before you
had a tower up!  Time flies!

 

My first mobile data card (still have it
in a drawer) was from Air America reselling the Ricochet service.  The
service was tolerable (200Kbps-300Kbps) if you were stationary, but pretty much
unusable while driving.  I think I paid $129.00 a month or more for the
service!  Crazy, but I had to have it!

 

My second data card was Sprint’s
first generation card.  This service was far superior to Ricochet in
coverage and service while driving was terrific.  This is the card I used
while driving across country during a couple vacations.  Service started
out at about 120Kbps-200Kbps and 350-450ms latency which was a bit worse than
Ricochet.  The service did begin to slow and Sprint moved the couple cards
we had to their new service that we have now.  

 

I figure $5 a year for a weather service I
enjoy is a bargain.  I think that works out to just over a penny a day. 
The site www.wunderground.com really
is a great source of information and the five bucks eliminates the
advertisements and enables a few additional features.  You should check it
out during the next storm…I’m fairly sure the experimental “Lightning”
data is pulled from a client of ours that operates a number of remote sensors
our network provides service to.  Pretty amazing technology as they can
actually predict a lightning strike (cloud to cloud, cloud to ground or ground
to cloud) before it happens.

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

 

 

 

 

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Of Ken Chipps
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request

 

Hi Brad, we do need to
meet each other one of these days since we are in the same city.

 

Interesting. I may have
to look into this further. I had heard that the Sprint service was slow from
other users. What is the best way to buy the hardware and monthly service for
this? Is the Sprint website the only source?

 

Why do you pay for this
weather stuff? Why not use one of the local TV station web sites or WeatherBug?

 

Ken Chipps

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
6:45 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request



 

Hello Ken,

 

Yes, Mark is
correct.  RDC is short (in my book anyway) for Remote Desktop Control aka
Terminal Services or Citrix etc…

 

Yes, I subscribe to www.wunderground.com for my weather
information.  The $5 a year it costs is well worth the money IMO (in my
opinion).  

 

Pulling current, animated
radar images over my Sprint DATA card has not given me any trouble.  Speed
test confirmation from www.testmy.net : 

 

:::.. Download Stats ..:::

Download Connection is:: 654 Kbps
about 0.65 Mbps (tested with 579 kB)

Download Speed is:: 80 kB/s

Tested From:: http://testmy.net/
(Server 1)

Test Time:: 2006/09/18 - 4:26pm 

Bottom Line:: 11X faster than 56K
1MB Download in 12.8 sec 

Tested from a 579 kB file and took
7.25 seconds to complete

Download Diagnosis:: 90% + Okay :
running at 96.04 % of your hosts average (spcsdns.net) 

D-Validation Link::
http://testmy.net/stats/id-814GRHMXW

 

 

I’ve seen well over
1Mbps before, but even then 654Kbps isn’t that bad.  Latency
typically looks like this:

 

Pinging 4.2.2.2 with 32 bytes of
data:

 

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=163ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=173ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=188ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=172ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=239ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=170ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=185ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=167ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=155ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=368ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=151ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=165ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=179ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=200ms
TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=162ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=180ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=181ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=160ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=175ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=159ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=146ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=185ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=143ms TTL=237

 

Ping statistics for 4.2.2.2:

    Packets: Sent =
23, Received = 23, Lost = 0 (0% loss),

Approximate round trip times in
milli-seconds:

    Minimum = 143ms,
Maximum = 368ms, Average = 181ms

 

Tracert looks like this:

 

Tracing route to
vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2]

RE: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted on FederalFraudCharges

2006-09-18 Thread Patrick Leary

It is really disappointing and sad. Stonebridge runs a good-sized
Alvarion network and I've met Stephen on a number of occasions. I always
liked his energy and enthusiasm. I hate it for his community, employees,
and his family.

But also, unfortunately, it is a black eye for the WISP space. He was
the first WISP to earn a RUS loan, so his effort was quite visible
within the USDA. I had already been personally told that the RUS was a
bit shy and tentative about the WISP space, being so used to funding old
local telcos. Hopefully, it does not engender a guilty-by-association
opinion of the WISP market. This is all why WISPA's Code of Ethics
should be well-understood and adhered to by all WISPA members and
supporting vendors. It is more important than ever that WISPs abide by
the FCC rules, OSHA regs (for climbers), etc. 

WISPs cannot give the feds reasons to think efforts on their behalf are
wasted or abused, i.e. RUS grants, USF considerations, new spectrum
allocation, etc.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243

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FederalFraudCharges

And I can tell you for a fact, there is more coming.

People don't seem to understand if they have this RUS
money, they should probably NOT be one of their
biggest vendors.

IE, a wireless broadband company that buys their
widgets from themselfs..


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> defrauding the U.S. Department of Agriculture of more than $1.6
million in 
> connection with a $4.2 million loan related to the expansion of
wireless 
> broadband service to rural Minnesota.
>
> http://communitydispatch.com/artman/publish/article_6420.shtml
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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted on Federal Fraud Charges

2006-09-18 Thread Barry at Mutual Data

Hello George,

WOW!   I helped Steve get through the USDA Broadband program when
we got approved in the broadband pilot program.

Barry

Monday, September 18, 2006, 11:25:55 AM, you wrote:

GR> defrauding the U.S. Department of Agriculture of more than $1.6 million
GR> in connection with a $4.2 million loan related to the expansion of
GR> wireless broadband service to rural Minnesota.

GR> http://communitydispatch.com/artman/publish/article_6420.shtml
GR> -- 
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Re: [WISPA] OT FYI: New position

2006-09-18 Thread Butch Evans


On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, Patrick Leary wrote:

I wanted to drop you folks a note that Alvarion has challenged me 
to get back to my roots, so to speak. I have asked to personally 
lead a renewed focus on the WISP markets. Going forward, my


This is good news to hear.  I am always happy to see a manufacturer 
looking toward this market segment.


energies will be full time dedicated to this activity -- to you and 
your needs as operators and as an industry. Over the past few years


I have always valued your thoughtful posts, though I find myself in 
disagreement with you more often than not.  You have always made me 
consider my positions very carefully, and provide some very 
convincing arguments to support yours.  At any rate...welcome back.


and will also allow me to again be an active advocate for WISPs 
with the press, thought leaders and officials.


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Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Butch Evans


On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, David E. Smith wrote:

Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about 
it a couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with 
Mikrotik. But unless your whole network already happens to support


Voodoo?  LOL.  What we did was not magic, but was certainly not an 
"off the shelf" solution.  ;-)


that, or the customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell 
card is probably gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets 
the service they're looking for, and you've saved many man-hours 
rebuilding your network :)


While I must say that it would not require "rebuilding the network" 
(a Mikrotik client is all that is required for the solution I 
built), it is pretty likely that the coverage area would be much 
better with the cell card.


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Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

On Mon, September 18, 2006 5:28 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high
> enough to download color weather radar images quickly?

I'd assume RDC is Remote Desktop, Windows' answer to PC Anywhere and VNC.

And the Sprint cards are, I'm told, surprisingly good. Some folks have
reported getting data rates in excess of 1Mbps - not blazing fast, but
beats the pants off dialup, and pretty good if you're speeding down the
highway. The average speeds seem to be 512k or thereabouts, unless you're
in a major metropolitan area (which will have newer better tower gear,
thus better speeds), which still ain't nothing to sneeze at.

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RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Jonathan Schmidt

Also, agreed,
the Sprint card is used by our field engineering and at two of the
past dozen conferences where we had a booth, that card was better
than the congested Internet connection that they provided to the
exhibitors.

. . . j o n a t h a n

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Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and
probably always will be for the mobile user.

I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card
right now.  Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't
missed a ping yet in over two hours.  I've been inside buildings, on
rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle.  Just can't beat having it and it
is only getting better.

Best,

Brad

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Scott Reed wrote:
> I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher.
He
> needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the
radar
> while watching the sky.  Does anyone provide similar service?  If so, how
do you
> charge for installation, service, etc.?

Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell
phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I
can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of
roaming is firmly in the "cannot" category.

Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a
couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But
unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the
customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably
gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're
looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :)

David Smith
MVN.net
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[WISPA] OT FYI: Change in position

2006-09-18 Thread Patrick Leary

Having received John Scrivner's specific approval, I offer the following
note:

Dear WISPA members,

I wanted to drop you folks a note that Alvarion has challenged me to get
back to my roots, so to speak. I have asked to personally lead a renewed
focus on the WISP markets. Going forward, my energies will be full time
dedicated to this activity -- to you and your needs as operators and as
an industry. Over the past few years managing our North American
marketing team, I realized how much I missed daily interaction with
WISPs, especially meeting and getting to know you on your turf. The new
role has some wide accountability and will also allow me to again be an
active advocate for WISPs with the press, thought leaders and officials.

As part of this, we will be enacting some innovative new ideas that
among other interesting and useful benefits to help your WISP
operations, should have direct business model benefits for small WISPs.
Details will come a bit later.

I will put my 8 years worth of contacts to work and know that I look
forward to building on my existing relationships with many of you, as
well as making lots of new friends.

Finally, please feel free to e-mail me directly with ideas about how I
can help, constructive criticism, etc. regardless of whether or not you
are an Alvarion-based operator. 

Sincerely,

Patrick Leary
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Alvarion, Inc.
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Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

2006-09-18 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181




I tried this one once.  Never ended up using 
any of them but these guys seemed decent to work with.
 
http://www.crannog-software.com/
 
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  PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow 
  collector/analyzer?
  Sam, I download nfdump and I think it 
  works.  What do you use for startup command for nfcapd? Scott 
  Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, 
  Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message 
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  > I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been 
  using a > few of my own scripts to process the data.  Not doing 
  anything fancy > right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can 
  graph user usage. > >    Sam Tetherow >   
   Sandhills Wireless > > David E. Smith wrote: > > 
  As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik box 
  > > in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that 
  > > RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started 
  turning... > > > > I'd like recommendations on Netflow 
  collectors and analyzers. I played > > briefly with nTop, the 
  package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was > > just too unstable 
  for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four times > > over the 
  weekend.) > > > > There's plenty of commercial Netflow 
  tools out there, some of which run > > for many thousands of 
  dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of > > money, but there 
  are a few less expensive packages as well. What works, > > and what 
  doesn't? > > > > David Smith > > MVN.net 
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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Company President Indicted on Federal FraudCharges

2006-09-18 Thread Blake Bowers


And I can tell you for a fact, there is more coming.

People don't seem to understand if they have this RUS
money, they should probably NOT be one of their
biggest vendors.

IE, a wireless broadband company that buys their
widgets from themselfs..


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FraudCharges



defrauding the U.S. Department of Agriculture of more than $1.6 million in 
connection with a $4.2 million loan related to the expansion of wireless 
broadband service to rural Minnesota.


http://communitydispatch.com/artman/publish/article_6420.shtml
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Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

Yes, I wrote my own.  It calls nfdump -o raw and then parses the data in 
perl.  I'm planning, in my copious amounts of free time, to actually 
update the script to read the nfcapd data format natively in perl.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Scott Reed wrote:
Did you write your own scipt for the -x option?  I was looking at the 
example in "man nfcapd" that shows using nfprofile and even read "man 
nfprofile"  and don't really see what I want to do with it.


Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
www.nwwnet.net 


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From: Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:03:20 -0500
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

> nfcapd -w -D -l /var/lib/nfcapd/flow/edge1 -p 2055 -B 128000 -I 
Edge1 -P

> /var/run/nfcapd/nfcapd.edge1.pid
>
> I also use the -x flag to run a script that parses the information out
> into files by IP/date for graphing purposes.
>
> I really don't know if it is all that optimal, I set it up when I 
put in

> the DS3 Mikrotik box and it has just work so far so I haven't had to
> tweak things.
>
>Sam Tetherow
>Sandhills Wireless
>
> Scott Reed wrote:
> > Sam,
> > I download nfdump and I think it works.  What do you use for startup
> > command for nfcapd?
> >
> > Scott Reed
> > Owner
> > NewWays
> > Wireless Networking
> > Network Design, Installation and Administration
> > www.nwwnet.net  
> >
> >
> > *-- Original Message ---*
> > From: Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: WISPA General List 
> > Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:03:20 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?
> >
> > > I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been
> > using a
> > > few of my own scripts to process the data.  Not doing anything 
fancy

> > > right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can graph user
> > usage.
> > >
> > >Sam Tetherow
> > >Sandhills Wireless
> > >
> > > David E. Smith wrote:
> > > > As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a 
Mikrotik

> > box
> > > > in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that
> > > > RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning...
> > > >
> > > > I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I
> > played
> > > > briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but 
it was

> > > > just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four
> > times
> > > > over the weekend.)
> > > >
> > > > There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of
> > which run
> > > > for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT 
kind of

> > > > money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What
> > works,
> > > > and what doesn't?
> > > >
> > > > David Smith
> > > > MVN.net
> > > >  
> > >

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Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?


Sam Tetherow wrote:

I am running about 10 gig/month in data and currently haven't deleted 
anything since I started in May.  It looks like you can get about a 
4.5:1 compression on the data using bzip2 though so I would be looking 
at a little over 2G/month compressed data


For the last four hours, I've got three million flows, summarizing 25 
million packets and 13.4 gigs of stuff, sucking up about 160MB of disk 
space, which will add up to about a gig a day of disk space. While disk 
space is cheap, it ain't free. :)


Obviously, bzip2 won't help too much, because the data will either have 
to be post-processed (i.e. dump it into a database, which probably can't 
be compressed) or not (i.e. leave the files as-is for command line 
analysis). I think it really depends on just how long my boss would like 
historical data for :)


A bit of tinkering will, of course, be required.

My throughput on average is running about 15M and about 10M of that is 
torrents that I seed for various IPTV programs and linux distributions.


I'm not even counting all the office BitTorrent seeding. :)

(One of these years I need to upgrade my core router to RouterOS 2.9, 
partly for features like Netflow. The new Netflow collector only sees 
traffic to my wireless network, and doesn't see all the traffic to, say, 
my Web and mail servers, my torrent box, or my GBStv setup, which is 
probably another several MB/s I'd have to account for.)


David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] OT FYI: New position

2006-09-18 Thread Anthony Will

It will be great to have you concentrating on our industry once again 
Patrick.  You have helped bring many good things to this industry and I 
am looking forward to finally meeting you at some time in the future.


Anthony Will
Broadband Corp.

Patrick Leary wrote:

Having received John Scrivner's specific approval, I offer the following
note:

Dear WISPA members,

I wanted to drop you folks a note that Alvarion has challenged me to get
back to my roots, so to speak. I have asked to personally lead a renewed
focus on the WISP markets. Going forward, my energies will be full time
dedicated to this activity -- to you and your needs as operators and as
an industry. Over the past few years managing our North American
marketing team, I realized how much I missed daily interaction with
WISPs, especially meeting and getting to know you on your turf. The new
role has some wide accountability and will also allow me to again be an
active advocate for WISPs with the press, thought leaders and officials.

As part of this, we will be enacting some innovative new ideas that
among other interesting and useful benefits to help your WISP
operations, should have direct business model benefits for small WISPs.
Details will come a bit later.

I will put my 8 years worth of contacts to work and know that I look
forward to building on my existing relationships with many of you, as
well as making lots of new friends.

Finally, please feel free to e-mail me directly with ideas about how I
can help, constructive criticism, etc. regardless of whether or not you
are an Alvarion-based operator. 


Sincerely,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
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RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Ken Chipps









Hi Brad, we do need to meet each other one
of these days since we are in the same city.

 

Interesting. I may have to look into this
further. I had heard that the Sprint service was slow from other users. What is
the best way to buy the hardware and monthly service for this? Is the Sprint
website the only source?

 

Why do you pay for this weather stuff? Why
not use one of the local TV station web sites or WeatherBug?

 

Ken Chipps

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
6:45 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request



 

Hello Ken,

 

Yes, Mark is correct.  RDC is short
(in my book anyway) for Remote Desktop Control aka Terminal Services or Citrix
etc…

 

Yes, I subscribe to www.wunderground.com for my weather
information.  The $5 a year it costs is well worth the money IMO (in my
opinion).  

 

Pulling current, animated radar images
over my Sprint DATA card has not given me any trouble.  Speed test confirmation
from www.testmy.net : 

 

:::.. Download Stats ..:::

Download Connection is:: 654 Kbps about 0.65 Mbps (tested
with 579 kB)

Download Speed is:: 80 kB/s

Tested From:: http://testmy.net/ (Server 1)

Test Time:: 2006/09/18 - 4:26pm 

Bottom Line:: 11X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 12.8 sec 

Tested from a 579 kB file and took 7.25 seconds to complete

Download Diagnosis:: 90% + Okay : running at 96.04 % of your
hosts average (spcsdns.net) 

D-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-814GRHMXW

 

 

I’ve seen well over 1Mbps before,
but even then 654Kbps isn’t that bad.  Latency typically looks like
this:

 

Pinging 4.2.2.2 with 32 bytes of data:

 

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=163ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=173ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=188ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=172ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=239ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=170ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=167ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=155ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=368ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=151ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=165ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=179ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=200ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=162ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=180ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=181ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=160ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=175ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=159ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=146ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=143ms TTL=237

 

Ping statistics for 4.2.2.2:

    Packets: Sent = 23, Received = 23, Lost =
0 (0% loss),

Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:

    Minimum = 143ms, Maximum = 368ms, Average
= 181ms

 

Tracert looks like this:

 

Tracing route to vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

 

  1   171 ms   157 ms  
162 ms  68.28.177.69

  2
*   
*    * Request
timed out.

  3   191 ms   183 ms  
190 ms  68.28.187.54

  4   326 ms   162 ms   156
ms  68.28.187.6

  5
*   
*    * Request
timed out.

  6
*   
*    * Request
timed out.

  7   162 ms   158 ms  
164 ms  68.28.187.97

  8   168 ms   153 ms  
160 ms  68.28.187.18

  9   194 ms   162 ms  
157 ms  sl-gw11-atl-0-1.sprintlink.net [144.223.140.69]

 10   171 ms   161 ms  
157 ms  sl-bb22-atl-5-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.85]

 11   161 ms   159 ms  
188 ms  sl-bb25-atl-9-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.38]

 12   173 ms   193 ms  
189 ms  sl-bb22-fw-15-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.8.21]

 13   186 ms   186 ms  
184 ms  sl-bb27-fw-12-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.11.33]

 14   180 ms   183 ms  
187 ms  sl-st20-dal-13-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.83]

 15   384 ms   173 ms  
167 ms  interconnect-eng.Dallas1.Level3.net [64.158.168.73]

 16   166 ms   193 ms  
206 ms  so-1-2-0.bbr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [209.244.15.16]

 17   180 ms   183 ms  
192 ms  ge-11-0.core1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.68.122.40]

 18   423 ms   224 ms  
199 ms  vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2]

 

Trace complete.

 

 

As with most things YMMV.  (Your
Mileage May Vary)  

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

 

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Mark McElvy
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
5:52 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request

 

Remote Desktop Connection
I would suspect…

 



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Systems, Inc.
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573.729.9203 - Fax
573.247.9980 - Mobile
http://www.accubak.com/
http://www.accubak.net/
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Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

Not really sure on CPU usage, I don't notice it and it is on a pretty 
all-purpose AMD64.  I capture on a 5 minute interval since that is what 
I used in my previous setup. 

I am running about 10 gig/month in data and currently haven't deleted 
anything since I started in May.  It looks like you can get about a 
4.5:1 compression on the data using bzip2 though so I would be looking 
at a little over 2G/month compressed data


My throughput on average is running about 15M and about 10M of that is 
torrents that I seed for various IPTV programs and linux distributions.


With the current price of hard drives I don't see the need for getting 
rid of the flow data from a technical standpoint.  I'm not sure if I 
want to keep that kind of data on my customers that long though.  I have 
just been too lazy to get rid of it at this point.  Maybe after I spend 
some more time thinking about what I actually want to save.  Like port 
statistics and possibly generic destination statistics (like they did x% 
of traffic to y number of sites).


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

David E. Smith wrote:

Sam Tetherow wrote:
  

I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been using a
few of my own scripts to process the data.  Not doing anything fancy
right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can graph user usage.



Ooh, that tickles my shell scripting fancy. ;)

How much disk and CPU space is that using for you, and how much
throughput are you tracking flows for? I know that Netflow only has to
keep some basic information on the packet, not the whole packet itself,
but even headers on my 20Mbps (peak) network could add up. (Also, how
far back do you keep flow data? Obviously, if you're only keeping a
week's worth, that's not as resource-intensive as a month, and so on.)

David Smith
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Did you write your own scipt for the -x option?  I was looking at the example in "man nfcapd" that shows using nfprofile and even read "man nfprofile"  and don't really see what I want to do with it.

Scott Reed 


Owner 


NewWays 


Wireless Networking 


Network Design, Installation and Administration 


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From: Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


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Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:03:20 -0500 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer? 



> nfcapd -w -D -l /var/lib/nfcapd/flow/edge1 -p 2055 -B 128000 -I Edge1 
-P  
> 

/var/run/nfcapd/nfcapd.edge1.pid 
> 
> 

I also use the -x flag to run a script that parses the information out  
> 

into files by IP/date for graphing purposes. 
> 
> 

I really don't know if it is all that optimal, I set it up when I put in  

> 

the DS3 Mikrotik box and it has just work so far so I haven't had to  
> 

tweak things. 
> 
> 

    Sam Tetherow 
> 

    Sandhills Wireless 
> 
> 

Scott Reed wrote: 
> 

> Sam, 
> 

> I download nfdump and I think it works.  What do you use for startup  

> 

> command for nfcapd? 
> 

> 
> 

> Scott Reed 
> 

> Owner 
> 

> NewWays 
> 

> Wireless Networking 
> 

> Network Design, Installation and Administration 
> 

> www.nwwnet.net  

> 

> 
> 

> 
> 

> *-- Original Message ---* 
> 

> From: Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 

> To: WISPA General List  
> 

> Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:03:20 -0500 
> 

> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer? 
> 

> 
> 

> > I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been  

> 

> using a 
> 

> > few of my own scripts to process the data.  Not doing anything 
fancy 
> 

> > right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can graph user  

> 

> usage. 
> 

> > 
> 

> >    Sam Tetherow 
> 

> >    Sandhills Wireless 
> 

> > 
> 

> > David E. Smith wrote: 
> 

> > > As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a 
Mikrotik  
> 

> box 
> 

> > > in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that 

> 

> > > RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning... 

> 

> > > 
> 

> > > I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I  

> 

> played 
> 

> > > briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it 
was 
> 

> > > just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four  

> 

> times 
> 

> > > over the weekend.) 
> 

> > > 
> 

> > > There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of  

> 

> which run 
> 

> > > for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind 
of 
> 

> > > money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What  

> 

> works, 
> 

> > > and what doesn't? 
> 

> > > 
> 

> > > David Smith 
> 

> > > MVN.net 
> 

> > >   
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That's one thing I need to ask him.  I am not sure he needs to drive and connect.  It may be park and connect.  I will find out.

I am doing the same thing for the county Mobile Command Center.  They take it to a disaster, park and connect.  I am still working on that one, but there are not a lot a disasters in our area, so the first one was free.

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Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:32:15 -0500 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request 



> Scott Reed wrote: 
> 

> I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher.  
He  
> 

> needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the radar 
 
> 

> while watching the sky.  Does anyone provide similar service?  If 
so, how do you  
> 

> charge for installation, service, etc.? 
> 
> 

Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell 
> 

phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I 
> 

can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of 
> 

roaming is firmly in the "cannot" category. 
> 
> 

Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a 
> 

couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But 
> 

unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the 
> 

customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably 
> 

gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're 
> 

looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :) 
> 

> 

David Smith 
> 

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[WISPA] OT FYI: New position

2006-09-18 Thread Patrick Leary

Having received John Scrivner's specific approval, I offer the following
note:

Dear WISPA members,

I wanted to drop you folks a note that Alvarion has challenged me to get
back to my roots, so to speak. I have asked to personally lead a renewed
focus on the WISP markets. Going forward, my energies will be full time
dedicated to this activity -- to you and your needs as operators and as
an industry. Over the past few years managing our North American
marketing team, I realized how much I missed daily interaction with
WISPs, especially meeting and getting to know you on your turf. The new
role has some wide accountability and will also allow me to again be an
active advocate for WISPs with the press, thought leaders and officials.

As part of this, we will be enacting some innovative new ideas that
among other interesting and useful benefits to help your WISP
operations, should have direct business model benefits for small WISPs.
Details will come a bit later.

I will put my 8 years worth of contacts to work and know that I look
forward to building on my existing relationships with many of you, as
well as making lots of new friends.

Finally, please feel free to e-mail me directly with ideas about how I
can help, constructive criticism, etc. regardless of whether or not you
are an Alvarion-based operator. 

Sincerely,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243






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RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request









Hello Ken,

 

Yes, Mark is correct.  RDC is short (in my book
anyway) for Remote Desktop Control aka Terminal Services or Citrix etc…

 

Yes, I subscribe to www.wunderground.com for my weather
information.  The $5 a year it costs is well worth the money IMO (in my opinion). 


 

Pulling current, animated radar images over
my Sprint DATA card has not given me any trouble.  Speed test confirmation
from www.testmy.net : 

 

:::.. Download Stats ..:::

Download Connection is:: 654 Kbps about 0.65 Mbps (tested
with 579 kB)

Download Speed is:: 80 kB/s

Tested From:: http://testmy.net/ (Server 1)

Test Time:: 2006/09/18 - 4:26pm 

Bottom Line:: 11X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 12.8 sec 

Tested from a 579 kB file and took 7.25 seconds to complete

Download Diagnosis:: 90% + Okay : running at 96.04 % of your
hosts average (spcsdns.net) 

D-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-814GRHMXW

 

 

I’ve seen well over 1Mbps before,
but even then 654Kbps isn’t that bad.  Latency typically looks like
this:

 

Pinging 4.2.2.2 with 32 bytes of data:

 

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=163ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=173ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=188ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=172ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=239ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=170ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=167ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=155ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=368ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=151ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=165ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=179ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=200ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=162ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=180ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=181ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=160ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=175ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=159ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=146ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=143ms TTL=237

 

Ping statistics for 4.2.2.2:

    Packets: Sent = 23, Received = 23, Lost =
0 (0% loss),

Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:

    Minimum = 143ms, Maximum = 368ms, Average
= 181ms

 

Tracert looks like this:

 

Tracing route to vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

 

  1   171 ms   157 ms  
162 ms  68.28.177.69

  2
*   
*    * Request
timed out.

  3   191 ms   183 ms  
190 ms  68.28.187.54

  4   326 ms   162 ms  
156 ms  68.28.187.6

  5
*   
*    * Request
timed out.

  6
*   
*    * Request
timed out.

  7   162 ms   158 ms  
164 ms  68.28.187.97

  8   168 ms   153 ms  
160 ms  68.28.187.18

  9   194 ms   162 ms  
157 ms  sl-gw11-atl-0-1.sprintlink.net [144.223.140.69]

 10   171 ms   161 ms  
157 ms  sl-bb22-atl-5-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.85]

 11   161 ms   159 ms  
188 ms  sl-bb25-atl-9-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.38]

 12   173 ms   193 ms   189
ms  sl-bb22-fw-15-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.8.21]

 13   186 ms   186 ms  
184 ms  sl-bb27-fw-12-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.11.33]

 14   180 ms   183 ms  
187 ms  sl-st20-dal-13-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.83]

 15   384 ms   173 ms  
167 ms  interconnect-eng.Dallas1.Level3.net [64.158.168.73]

 16   166 ms   193 ms  
206 ms  so-1-2-0.bbr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [209.244.15.16]

 17   180 ms   183 ms  
192 ms  ge-11-0.core1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.68.122.40]

 18   423 ms   224 ms  
199 ms  vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2]

 

Trace complete.

 

 

As with most things YMMV.  (Your
Mileage May Vary)  

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

 

 

 

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Watcher Request

 

Remote Desktop Connection
I would suspect…

 



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the
Sprint card high enough to download color weather radar images quickly?

Ken Chipps

>-Original Message-
>From: Brad Belton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 05:48 PM
>To: ''WISPA General List''
>Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
>
>Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and
>probably always will be for the mobile user.
>
>I'm reading and sending mail at

Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

nfcapd -w -D -l /var/lib/nfcapd/flow/edge1 -p 2055 -B 128000 -I Edge1 -P 
/var/run/nfcapd/nfcapd.edge1.pid


I also use the -x flag to run a script that parses the information out 
into files by IP/date for graphing purposes.


I really don't know if it is all that optimal, I set it up when I put in 
the DS3 Mikrotik box and it has just work so far so I haven't had to 
tweak things.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Scott Reed wrote:

Sam,
I download nfdump and I think it works.  What do you use for startup 
command for nfcapd?


Scott Reed
Owner
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Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:03:20 -0500
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> I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been 
using a

> few of my own scripts to process the data.  Not doing anything fancy
> right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can graph user 
usage.

>
>Sam Tetherow
>Sandhills Wireless
>
> David E. Smith wrote:
> > As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik 
box

> > in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that
> > RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning...
> >
> > I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I 
played

> > briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was
> > just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four 
times

> > over the weekend.)
> >
> > There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of 
which run

> > for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of
> > money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What 
works,

> > and what doesn't?
> >
> > David Smith
> > MVN.net
> >  
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RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Mark McElvy









Remote Desktop Connection I would suspect…

 



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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
5:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request



 

Two
questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high enough to
download color weather radar images quickly?

Ken
Chipps

>-Original Message-
>From: Brad Belton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 05:48 PM
>To: ''WISPA General List''
>Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
>
>Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and
>probably always will be for the mobile user.
>
>I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card
>right now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't
>missed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, on
>rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just can't beat having it and it
>is only getting better.
>
>Best,
>
>Brad
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of David E. Smith
>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:32 PM
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>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
>
>Scott Reed wrote:
>> I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer
watcher.
>He 
>> needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the
>radar 
>> while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so, how
>do you 
>> charge for installation, service, etc.?
>
>Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell
>phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I
>can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of
>roaming is firmly in the "cannot" category.
>
>Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a
>couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But
>unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the
>customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably
>gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're
>looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :)
>
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Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION

2006-09-18 Thread Tom DeReggi


Regarding cable

That makes since. We really like the Arc wireless cable because it meets the 
need for 70% of the CPE side installs (residential and small business) with 
ease of use and the right price. The industry really needed a product like 
that.  But the ARC cable is what it is, and is no substitution for high 
grade cable when it is needed.  The Superior Essex we use now, has been 
proven to be awesome. We use it the other 25% of the time, when we have long 
runs or have to extend across gravel flat roof (where there is risk it will 
be submerged in water or walked on.). Many don't realize that it is not just 
the metal shielding that gives isolation from interference (environmental or 
self induced crosstalk). The non-metalic outer jacket and inner jacket of 
the wires also have isolating characteristics that contribute. There is 
something to be said for total thickness of a cable.


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RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 10:33 PM
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Good points.  Likely I will not touch it again unless it breaks.  I'll try 
to get a make on the "good" cable, but I know the cheap stuff I ran 
yesterday is the arc wireless shielded, flooded, drainwire, I picked up 6 
months ago when it was $69 a roll.


Brian

Tom DeReggi wrote:


So the question that arises, is why did that fix it?

I see two possibilities

1) Poor quality cable or cable shields. (Loss running Ethernet data 
parallel to power)

2) Sharing a CAT5 jack on the 532 main board for Power and Data.

Travis previously talked about the horrid RF interferrence that the 532 
board generated when using 48V, due to the 532 onboard power 
converter/supply.  I'm wondering if the distortion/loss was at the board 
itself apposed to cable?


It would have been interesting to know, if you used one cable for both 
data and power, but terminated the data pairs to a different Ethernet 
port instead of the POE port used for power.


What also would have been interesting would have been to know wether a 
18V power supply would have worked on a shared single cable.


Different ethernet chipsets do have different characteristics and ranges. 
So it is possible that just the different chip made the difference based 
on compatibilty or characteristics of chip.  But the other reasons are 
just as probable.


What brand (not just shield type) cable were you using? I realize that 
you would not likely pursue additional tests as you found a fix already, 
but it would be interesting to know, just so we can keep collecting data 
should we experience similar problems in the future.


We had a similar situation that was due to chipset. We ran 10 mbps 
ethernet 550 feet to our subscriber. (different radio brand).  We used a 
slightly higher power voltage to make up for cable loss.  Our laptops 
worked great over the link.  The customer's 3 identical routers could not 
stay connected for long. We were not sure if it was a speed autodetection 
issue, or the distance for the chip to work.  We installed a 10mbps Cisco 
Switch in between their router and our cable dmarc in their premise, and 
it all worked.


Tom DeReggi
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IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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I started with   RB 532 on tower.  It comes down 265 feet to poe 
injector to router.  Major packet loss.

2)  switched RB 532 out.  No change.
3)  Created test setup on ground with "bad board" and it looked fine. 
(from laptop--6ft cablepoe265 ft---RB)

4) Blamed it on the cable, and got a cable certifier from a friend.
5)  Right before climb, I re did the test setup on the ground.  This 
time I plugged the 265 feet into the actual router instead of my laptop. 
The problen was back.  (I was bummed)
6)  One final test.  Get another 265 foot cable.  I used 265ft for power 
and 265ft for data to eth 2 or 3. Problem solved. I can only speculate 
that the chipset on RB 532 poe port is diffrent from the chipset on eth 
2/3.
And for whatever reason it was not compatable with cable, hardware, 
ect.setup.
I may never know for sure why, but I have the workaround.  Good enough 
for me.


FWIW  I ended up pulling 2 new cables (all 3 certified fine).  I used 
the original cable for data (it has "real" shield)  I used my new 2 
(cheapo foil shield) for power and slapped the other into eth3 for the 
heck of it.


Lessons learned for next time. Measure cable, crimp, and power up on 
ground using the EXACT same everything as what the final deployment will 
have.  And then test.


Hope that sums it all up.

Ok to directly answer your question.  Yes.  I did this on the ground 
test unit.

Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread chipps

Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high enough to download color weather radar images quickly?
Ken Chipps>-Original Message->From: Brad Belton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 05:48 PM>To: ''WISPA General List''>Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request>>Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and>probably always will be for the mobile user.>>I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card>right now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't>missed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, on>rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just can't beat having it and it>is only getting better.>>Best,>>Brad>>-Original Message->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On>Behalf Of David E. Smith>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:32 PM>To: WISPA General List>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request>>Scott Reed wrote:>> I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher.>He >> needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the>radar >> while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so, how>do you >> charge for installation, service, etc.?>>Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell>phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I>can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of>roaming is firmly in the "cannot" category.>>Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a>couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But>unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the>customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably>gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're>looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :)>>David Smith>MVN.net>-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org>>Subscribe/Unsubscribe:>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless>>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/>>-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org>>Subscribe/Unsubscribe:>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless>>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/>
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RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and
probably always will be for the mobile user.

I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card
right now.  Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't
missed a ping yet in over two hours.  I've been inside buildings, on
rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle.  Just can't beat having it and it
is only getting better.

Best,

Brad

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

Scott Reed wrote:
> I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher.
He 
> needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the
radar 
> while watching the sky.  Does anyone provide similar service?  If so, how
do you 
> charge for installation, service, etc.?

Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell
phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I
can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of
roaming is firmly in the "cannot" category.

Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a
couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But
unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the
customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably
gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're
looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

Scott Reed wrote:
> I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher.  
> He 
> needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the radar 
> while watching the sky.  Does anyone provide similar service?  If so, how do 
> you 
> charge for installation, service, etc.?

Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell
phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I
can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of
roaming is firmly in the "cannot" category.

Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a
couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But
unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the
customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably
gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're
looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?





Sam,
I download nfdump and I think it works.  What do you use for startup command for nfcapd?

Scott Reed 


Owner 


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Network Design, Installation and Administration 


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> I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been using 
a  
> 

few of my own scripts to process the data.  Not doing anything fancy  

> 

right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can graph user usage. 

> 
> 

    Sam Tetherow 
> 

    Sandhills Wireless 
> 
> 

David E. Smith wrote: 
> 

> As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik box 

> 

> in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that 
> 

> RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning... 
> 

> 
> 

> I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I played 

> 

> briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was 

> 

> just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four times 

> 

> over the weekend.) 
> 

> 
> 

> There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of which run 

> 

> for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of 

> 

> money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What works, 

> 

> and what doesn't? 
> 

> 
> 

> David Smith 
> 

> MVN.net 
> 

>    
> 
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[WISPA] Weather Watcher Request





I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher.  He needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the radar while watching the sky.  Does anyone provide similar service?  If so, how do you charge for installation, service, etc.?

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Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

2006-09-18 Thread Jeremy Davis


David E. Smith wrote:

As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik box
in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that
RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning...

I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I played
briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was
just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four times
over the weekend.)

There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of which run
for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of
money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What works,
and what doesn't?
  

IPTrack works pretty well. http://dev.webpipe.net/iptrack/

Jeremy


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Re: [WISPA] tower power





130 output I wouldn't think is a problem, but I would think something is wrong at 170 at the outlet.  I know some UPSes will either go to battery or shutdonw before that.  I do not know the specs on power company voltage, but that is just too high.

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> We have an enclosure @ 400 that is powered from 
the
same circuit as tower lighting.  Its been acting a little strange 
lately,
so we went up with a voltmeter to check the power.  The meter 
showed
fluctuations from 140-170v AC at the outlet.  We tested at the back of 
the
ups and have a steady 130v.  This powers a waverider CCU and a 
couple
backhauls.  Im not an electrician, known enough to be dangerous.  Is 
the
130 enough to make my gear get squirrely?  The ups seems to be keeping 
the
voltage steady at the backend. Im thinking of putting an isolation xformer 
in.

>  


> Thanks

> Chris

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Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

Sam Tetherow wrote:
> I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been using a
> few of my own scripts to process the data.  Not doing anything fancy
> right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can graph user usage.

Ooh, that tickles my shell scripting fancy. ;)

How much disk and CPU space is that using for you, and how much
throughput are you tracking flows for? I know that Netflow only has to
keep some basic information on the packet, not the whole packet itself,
but even headers on my 20Mbps (peak) network could add up. (Also, how
far back do you keep flow data? Obviously, if you're only keeping a
week's worth, that's not as resource-intensive as a month, and so on.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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[WISPA] tower power

2006-09-18 Thread chris cooper









We have an enclosure @ 400’ that is powered from the
same circuit as tower lighting.  Its been acting a little strange lately,
so we went up with a voltmeter to check the power.  The meter showed
fluctuations from 140-170v AC at the outlet.  We tested at the back of the
ups and have a steady 130v.  This powers a waverider CCU and a couple
backhauls.  Im not an electrician, known enough to be dangerous.  Is the
130 enough to make my gear get squirrely?  The ups seems to be keeping the
voltage steady at the backend. Im thinking of putting an isolation xformer in.

 

Thanks

Chris






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Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

2006-09-18 Thread Junk Mail

David,
I'd revisit that Ntop again...
I have ran these in telco environments and as long as the box is properly engineered to handle the segment it is monitoring they just simply work, day in and day out. As I recall, the longest uptime hit 11 mos. and as I am no longer with that telco I cannot comment further on what it has been since then, but provided the variables are all still the same, it would not surprise me for it to have never missed a lick in the past two years.

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On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 13:36 -0500, David E. Smith wrote:

As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik box
in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that
RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning...

I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I played
briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was
just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four times
over the weekend.)

There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of which run
for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of
money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What works,
and what doesn't?

David Smith
MVN.net

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Re: [WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

I use nfcapd (part of nfdump) to capture the data, and have been using a 
few of my own scripts to process the data.  Not doing anything fancy 
right now, just extracting data by IP address so I can graph user usage.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

David E. Smith wrote:

As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik box
in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that
RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning...

I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I played
briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was
just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four times
over the weekend.)

There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of which run
for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of
money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What works,
and what doesn't?

David Smith
MVN.net
  


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[WISPA] Preferred Netflow collector/analyzer?

As part of a wholly unrelated network tweak, I now have a Mikrotik box
in a perfect place to snoop on my whole network, and seeing that
RouterOS 2.9 supports Cisco NetFlow, the gears started turning...

I'd like recommendations on Netflow collectors and analyzers. I played
briefly with nTop, the package Mikrotik sorta-recommends, but it was
just too unstable for my taste. (The nTop daemon died about four times
over the weekend.)

There's plenty of commercial Netflow tools out there, some of which run
for many thousands of dollars. Of course, I don't have THAT kind of
money, but there are a few less expensive packages as well. What works,
and what doesn't?

David Smith
MVN.net
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RE: [WISPA] Tango Funding

2006-09-18 Thread Rick Smith

right... TANGO not TRANGO

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Funny that their site only mentions they are a software company. 

Best,

Brad

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Subject: [WISPA] Tango Funding

  Tango Networks coy about funding round

At least $9.5 million of planned $20 million already raised

  Dallas Business Journal - September 15, 2006
  http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2006/09/18/story18.html

Tango Networks, a Plano maker of wireless equipment, has raised at least
$9.6 million of a planned $20 million round of funding, according to a
Securities and Exchange Commission filing.

Backers of the company, which was incorporated in September 2005, include
the Stanford, Conn.-based TWJ Capital Opportunity Fund I L.P. No other
institutional investors are listed in the August SEC filing.

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Re: [WISPA] Lack of Competition Leaves U.S. 16th Among IndustrializedNations

2006-09-18 Thread Peter R.

We are actually at the point where about 68% of the US population has 
Internet.

The rest don't own a computer or do not want Internet.

Some of that 68% is still on dial-up. For some it is a price thing. For 
some it is not understanding technology. For some it is to make the 
experience painful to avoid wasting hours on the internet.


So dropping the price - as SBC and VZ have experienced - to sub-$15 gets 
you some dial-up conversions. But when the price returns to normal, some 
switch back to cheaper dial-up.


The dilemma becomes How do you get more internet appliance (PC's, 
laptops, PDAs, internet terminal) penetration?


The marketing question is: What Remarkable & Useful things can you do 
with broadband (other than entertainment)?


That's my 2 cents.

Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc.

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RE: [WISPA] Tango Funding