Re: [WISPA] P2P Apps Going Legit?
Is there a way to see that Ares Ultra is being used? Or do you have to rely on them telling you they're using it after you notice them taking every available packet? I assume you could somewhat mitigate the problem by using a 'tik to provide a shaped bandwidth...full speed for 1 minute, dropping by half in the second minute, etc. Or does this not solve the problem? I imagine it might not help if the problem is packets, not bandwidth, if small packets are being created. So that brings up a question...can Microtik limit packets by connection as opposed to bandwidth? (though we use 'tiks my staff implements them, not me). Given that we typically get limited by equipment's ability to process rather than bandwidth by itself, it seems like it might be useful to go to the source of the problem rather than use bandwidth as a proxy to control problems. Chuck At 9:29 PM -0500 3/20/07, Pete Davis wrote: Ares Ultra costs the customer around $50 from what I hear. It ENCRYPTS the P2P traffic, and the Mikrotik will NOT recognize it as P2P traffic, so it will take EVERY AVAILABLE PACKET that your AP can push out. The way I have dealt with this is to disable the client (at the radio level) and when they call, I tell them that we cannot support P2P applications. If they demand that they have to do it, and refuse to quit, then I uninstall them, and suggest that they get their broadband elsewhere. I haven't found a more effective way to make it work. pd Mark Nash wrote: I had a customer tell me yesterday that he uses his Gnutella program to do unlimited downloads from a paid site. I've used the Mikrotik routers (p2p queue set to 64k) to block this and other programs, so it's not working now for the customer. I want to allow for paid downloads, but not P2P filesharing. Have you come across this? Can it be dealt with? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- --- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 x108 Tell me not, in mournful numbers, Life is but an empty dream! For the soul is dead that slumbers, And things are not what they seem. A Psalm of Life, Longfellow -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Soapbox follow-on
Weather proofing is not just rain and snow ( weather ) but natural condensation
that happens with the natural rising sun. The Dew point.
Metals and sufaces become natural condensation pionts and as it collects it
will also evaporate and that will work its way into connectors over time.
Sometimes sooner, sometimes later. Having a protective barrier prevents that
from happening.
There is a specific way to weather wrap as well. You can't just courtesy, snot,
and wrap well you can but it wont last. you need to be specific in the way the
wrap is applied. Each layer is different. Just like a Roofer lays down
shingles. Some people will even use a clear coat spray or scothch guard finish
as one more layer of protection, from water and the baking sun light.
I have never had to use a coating spray but I know field techs that have and do.
My two cents,
Regards,
Mike
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Soapbox follow-on
Thanks for the kind words, Tom and Marlon. I knew there was a reason I liked
this List! {:-)
Tom, you've hit on a really good point, that system (installation)
specifications can be highly personalized, which is the central issue of
the current courtesy wrap debate. In my experience, properly applied mastic
and outer tape wraps yield many years of trouble-free connector service
life, with or without the c. wrap. (? Would that be crap from another
perspective?) {:-) And, by the way, a properly applied courtesy wrap is
stretched tight and overlapped so that it is, in fact, another moisture
barrier.
That said, I haven't noticed that this wrap, or its lack, affects
weatherproofing performance at all. What the wrap DOES affect is the ease
with which a connector can be taken apart for service. Not only is the stuff
fluid and really gummy-especially at summer temperatures-but it must be
remembered that it is inherently an INSULATOR. Any bits which remain on
connector threads during re-assembly can impede fully circumferential
shielding, and it ain't that easy to get all of the silly goop cleared off
fine threads. And anything that keeps my sorry old butt hanging up on a
tower longer than necessary ain't a plus either . So, it's really more a
matter of personal preference than absolute right or wrong; I merely prefer
specifying a wrap. Make sense?
As to your next topic, you are definitely preaching to the choir! Your point
that it's easy to make hasty and unfounded judgments is well taken-we've all
been there at some point-but this seems to me to occur far less often,
especially in smaller systems, than your first example. Many years ago I had
a sign made for my office (mostly for the benefit of my staff) entitled The
Two S Rule
I've designed and presented training programs for many years
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From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Warning: Soapbox ahead ...
Ed,
Good post.
Without the courtesy wrap, mastic will flow into every possible space--like
connector threads--and become a real nuisance when a connection has to be
taken apart.
What is the harm of the Mastic flowing into every space like threads? Is it
really that big a nuisance? We haven't had that much trouble pulling off the
Mastic on our broadband connection, and the fact that the Mastic fills the
thread means a water path no longer exist, sorta like Plumbers using that
white thread tape. Would you agree, that if someone doesn't mind the
nuisance, not using the courtesy wrap, would be one level better
waterproofing? I'm NOT saying Courtesy Wrap is wrong, just that it may be an
installer's preference for convenience. Are you finding it to be more of a
nuisance, on different size cabling? For example Telcos tend to use much
larger Coax, and as a result have MUCH thicker rolls of waterproofing and
Mastic, which may be harder to cut through, and therefore more relevant to
have the courtesy WRAP?
I'm constantly amazed how many folks cannot seem to afford to do things
right the first time but seemingly can afford to do those same things over
another 2, 3 or more times.
I'll add that most often when things are not done adequately it is not a
decision of Affording. Its an issue of enforcement. The person
installing the gear is rarely the person responsible for the cost of the
repair after the fact, if one is needed. There fore people tend to be lazy,
and do the minimum to get the job done. I see it all the time. Installer
thinking, Oops, I left my Mastic in the VAN, so I'll use more Super 88
instead, or throw some plumbers putty in there,
UPDATE: [WISPA] WISP blocked access to Washington Post website - Dumb or Responsible?
Just an update - Within two hours after receiving the email from support, my access to the Washington Post website was restored. Jack Unger wrote: I spend time each day keeping up not just on technical news but on world news. Last Saturday or Sunday, I noticed that I could no longer access the website of the Washington Post. Whatever your political view of the Washington Post, it is still considered as one of the top two national newspapers. Finally last night, I emailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I reported that I could not reach the WP website. Here's the reply I received: Mr. Unger, We have temporarily blocked the IP for washingtonpost.com due to a problem traced back to that IP. We are working to resolve this issue and will be unblocking the IP within the next 48 hours. -- Here's my reply to the WISP (which incidentally is California's largest WISP for business and is now owned by a large national ISP. Dear Mr. Xxxx, Thank you for letting me know. I first noticed this problem several days ago. I look forward to having my access to the Washington Post website restored. Thank you, jack I'd appreciate a few knowledge WISP opinions on this issue. 1. Why will it apparently take a total of 5 days to resolve this issue? 2. Was my WISP really not aware of the problem and are they just now starting to look into it? 3. Was/is someone really spamming from the WP IP? Is there a very real and legitimate reason why the WP website would need to be blocked this long? 4. Could this be just another story in the emerging saga of the Net Neutrality debate? Should I be worried about hearing It's our network and we can block anyone we want to block? Again, I'd appreciate a few thoughtful, knowledgable WISP opinions. Thank you in advance, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] P2P Apps Going Legit?
We are looking at automagically throttling the bandwidth hogs back at peak times and letting them run normally otherwise. Seems like a good way to deal with it to keep your normal usage custommers happy and if your bandwidth hogs don't like it they can move to another ISP. Have not yet gotten the scripts done to do this yet although with PPPoE we religiously track per user usage and have for years. Matt On 3/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to see that Ares Ultra is being used? Or do you have to rely on them telling you they're using it after you notice them taking every available packet? I assume you could somewhat mitigate the problem by using a 'tik to provide a shaped bandwidth...full speed for 1 minute, dropping by half in the second minute, etc. Or does this not solve the problem? I imagine it might not help if the problem is packets, not bandwidth, if small packets are being created. So that brings up a question...can Microtik limit packets by connection as opposed to bandwidth? (though we use 'tiks my staff implements them, not me). Given that we typically get limited by equipment's ability to process rather than bandwidth by itself, it seems like it might be useful to go to the source of the problem rather than use bandwidth as a proxy to control problems. Chuck At 9:29 PM -0500 3/20/07, Pete Davis wrote: Ares Ultra costs the customer around $50 from what I hear. It ENCRYPTS the P2P traffic, and the Mikrotik will NOT recognize it as P2P traffic, so it will take EVERY AVAILABLE PACKET that your AP can push out. The way I have dealt with this is to disable the client (at the radio level) and when they call, I tell them that we cannot support P2P applications. If they demand that they have to do it, and refuse to quit, then I uninstall them, and suggest that they get their broadband elsewhere. I haven't found a more effective way to make it work. pd Mark Nash wrote: I had a customer tell me yesterday that he uses his Gnutella program to do unlimited downloads from a paid site. I've used the Mikrotik routers (p2p queue set to 64k) to block this and other programs, so it's not working now for the customer. I want to allow for paid downloads, but not P2P filesharing. Have you come across this? Can it be dealt with? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- --- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 x108 Tell me not, in mournful numbers, Life is but an empty dream! For the soul is dead that slumbers, And things are not what they seem. A Psalm of Life, Longfellow -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] qtm.net or acd.net
Anybody on the list know of or have worked with this outfit? Quantum Connections They appear to serve the Dowagiac, Michigan area. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] P2P Apps Going Legit?
The first fly in the ointment I see with the prevailing response from many WISPs (tell the 'hogs' to go elsewhere) is MDUs. Telling individual customers within an MDU to take a hike (even if you say it nicely) if you have an agreement with the MDU owner, could be a recipe for losing the MDU contract. Maybe that's necessary in some cases, but it'd sure be better to find a way to address the issues through technology rather than getting rid of customers. But there are at least some indications that bandwidth limiting might not always be a sufficient solution if the problem is really packet processing capacity. Also, I think getting rid of troubling customers isn't actually a solution (except in extreme cases) because they are often an indication of where things are headed for the broader market. It's a chance to solve the problem now when not many people are affected rather than waiting until it's an issue with lots and lots of end users. (By the way, though I'm following up after Matt, I'm not picking on his response, just trying to point out what I think some of the issues are. We're also looking at no throttling at certain times of the day, but restricting usage during peak hours). Chuck At 10:43 AM -0500 3/21/07, Matt wrote: We are looking at automagically throttling the bandwidth hogs back at peak times and letting them run normally otherwise. Seems like a good way to deal with it to keep your normal usage custommers happy and if your bandwidth hogs don't like it they can move to another ISP. Have not yet gotten the scripts done to do this yet although with PPPoE we religiously track per user usage and have for years. Matt On 3/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to see that Ares Ultra is being used? Or do you have to rely on them telling you they're using it after you notice them taking every available packet? I assume you could somewhat mitigate the problem by using a 'tik to provide a shaped bandwidth...full speed for 1 minute, dropping by half in the second minute, etc. Or does this not solve the problem? I imagine it might not help if the problem is packets, not bandwidth, if small packets are being created. So that brings up a question...can Microtik limit packets by connection as opposed to bandwidth? (though we use 'tiks my staff implements them, not me). Given that we typically get limited by equipment's ability to process rather than bandwidth by itself, it seems like it might be useful to go to the source of the problem rather than use bandwidth as a proxy to control problems. Chuck -- --- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 x108 Tell me not, in mournful numbers, Life is but an empty dream! For the soul is dead that slumbers, And things are not what they seem. A Psalm of Life, Longfellow -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: UPDATE: [WISPA] WISP blocked access to Washington Post website - Dumb or Responsible?
Sounds like someone made a booboo, they needed someone to complain and let them know something was wrong, or a combination thereof. Good support though, Jack! Can we say that? Try to get a resolution like that with a cable or dsl provider. Mario Jack Unger wrote: Just an update - Within two hours after receiving the email from support, my access to the Washington Post website was restored. Jack Unger wrote: I spend time each day keeping up not just on technical news but on world news. Last Saturday or Sunday, I noticed that I could no longer access the website of the Washington Post. Whatever your political view of the Washington Post, it is still considered as one of the top two national newspapers. Finally last night, I emailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I reported that I could not reach the WP website. Here's the reply I received: Mr. Unger, We have temporarily blocked the IP for washingtonpost.com due to a problem traced back to that IP. We are working to resolve this issue and will be unblocking the IP within the next 48 hours. -- Here's my reply to the WISP (which incidentally is California's largest WISP for business and is now owned by a large national ISP. Dear Mr. Xxxx, Thank you for letting me know. I first noticed this problem several days ago. I look forward to having my access to the Washington Post website restored. Thank you, jack I'd appreciate a few knowledge WISP opinions on this issue. 1. Why will it apparently take a total of 5 days to resolve this issue? 2. Was my WISP really not aware of the problem and are they just now starting to look into it? 3. Was/is someone really spamming from the WP IP? Is there a very real and legitimate reason why the WP website would need to be blocked this long? 4. Could this be just another story in the emerging saga of the Net Neutrality debate? Should I be worried about hearing It's our network and we can block anyone we want to block? Again, I'd appreciate a few thoughtful, knowledgable WISP opinions. Thank you in advance, jack -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: UPDATE: [WISPA] WISP blocked access to Washington Post website -Dumb or Responsible?
Mario, Yes; good suppport indeed. First, getting a prompt email response back from Support and then having the problem resolved within two hours does indeed qualify as good support. Thank goodness for that. jack Mario Pommier wrote: Sounds like someone made a booboo, they needed someone to complain and let them know something was wrong, or a combination thereof. Good support though, Jack! Can we say that? Try to get a resolution like that with a cable or dsl provider. Mario Jack Unger wrote: Just an update - Within two hours after receiving the email from support, my access to the Washington Post website was restored. Jack Unger wrote: I spend time each day keeping up not just on technical news but on world news. Last Saturday or Sunday, I noticed that I could no longer access the website of the Washington Post. Whatever your political view of the Washington Post, it is still considered as one of the top two national newspapers. Finally last night, I emailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I reported that I could not reach the WP website. Here's the reply I received: Mr. Unger, We have temporarily blocked the IP for washingtonpost.com due to a problem traced back to that IP. We are working to resolve this issue and will be unblocking the IP within the next 48 hours. -- Here's my reply to the WISP (which incidentally is California's largest WISP for business and is now owned by a large national ISP. Dear Mr. Xxxx, Thank you for letting me know. I first noticed this problem several days ago. I look forward to having my access to the Washington Post website restored. Thank you, jack I'd appreciate a few knowledge WISP opinions on this issue. 1. Why will it apparently take a total of 5 days to resolve this issue? 2. Was my WISP really not aware of the problem and are they just now starting to look into it? 3. Was/is someone really spamming from the WP IP? Is there a very real and legitimate reason why the WP website would need to be blocked this long? 4. Could this be just another story in the emerging saga of the Net Neutrality debate? Should I be worried about hearing It's our network and we can block anyone we want to block? Again, I'd appreciate a few thoughtful, knowledgable WISP opinions. Thank you in advance, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] P2P Apps Going Legit?
The first fly in the ointment I see with the prevailing response from many WISPs (tell the 'hogs' to go elsewhere) is MDUs. Telling individual customers within an MDU to take a hike (even if you say it nicely) if you have an agreement with the MDU owner, could be a recipe for losing the MDU contract. Maybe that's necessary in some cases, but it'd sure be better to find a way to address the issues through technology rather than getting rid of customers. Perhaps I am missing something somewhere in this post but what is a MDU? Also, we have nearly a 1000 CPE out and have been in the wisp business since 2000 and have yet too tell a user to take a hike. A few I would have liked to though. Regretfully the vast majority of our users are 900Mhz now. There is a bottleneck right there bandwidth wise that will be very difficult to work around. Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] P2P Apps Going Legit?
MDU Multiple Dwelling Unit Matt wrote: The first fly in the ointment I see with the prevailing response from many WISPs (tell the 'hogs' to go elsewhere) is MDUs. Telling individual customers within an MDU to take a hike (even if you say it nicely) if you have an agreement with the MDU owner, could be a recipe for losing the MDU contract. Maybe that's necessary in some cases, but it'd sure be better to find a way to address the issues through technology rather than getting rid of customers. Perhaps I am missing something somewhere in this post but what is a MDU? Also, we have nearly a 1000 CPE out and have been in the wisp business since 2000 and have yet too tell a user to take a hike. A few I would have liked to though. Regretfully the vast majority of our users are 900Mhz now. There is a bottleneck right there bandwidth wise that will be very difficult to work around. Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FYI - 802.16e now commercially shipping into North America
Hi folks, I just wanted this community to be aware of this. It does represent a major milestone for the industry, even though this is not license-exempt equipment. It is a market first. This is a commercial release, not an announcement of an upcoming product. Mar 21, 2007 Alvarion Addressing Widespread Demand for 802.16e-Based Solutions Extensively Tested with Carriers Around the World and Currently Shipping, BreezeMAX is the Cornerstone of Company's 4Motion Tel Aviv, Israel, March 21, 2007 - Alvarion Ltd. (NASDAQ: ALVR), the world's leading provider of WiMAX and wireless broadband solutions, today announced that its new BreezeMAXTM system, designed to comply with 802.16e, is available to address widespread demand for solutions based on the latest version of the WiMAX standard. After successful network trials and extensive testing now taking place in different regions around the world with customers in Angola, Costa Rica, El Salvador, France, Guatemala, Japan, Mexico, Norway, Russia, United States and other countries, Alvarion's new BreezeMAX system is designed to enable broadband anytime, anywhere as part of its 4MotionTM comprehensive network solution for mobile WiMAX. One example is DigitalBridge Communications (DBC), a provider of broadband services to underserved communities using WiMAX technology, which has selected Alvarion as its solutions partner. WiMAX allows us to bring broadband services to many smaller communities that were previously too costly to serve with older technologies, said Kelley Dunne, CEO of DigitalBridge Communications. DigitalBridge Communications has developed a highly scalable network deployment and back office platform that will enable us to take advantage of WiMAX economics to bring broadband to communities nationwide. We needed a solutions partner who brought market scalability and comprehensive engineering support to aid our growth. With a proven track record of leadership in the WiMAX industry, Alvarion was the natural choice. Using Alvarion's award-winning BreezeMAX as its radio access network (RAN), 4Motion operates at 2.3, 2.5, and 3.5 GHz and is already being used by more than 15 customers to provide fixed, nomadic and portable broadband services in urban, suburban and rural areas alike. BreezeMAX and 4Motion are the foundation of Alvarion's OPENTM WiMAX, an operator-centric, all-IP ecosystem that will enable service providers to choose network equipment and consumer electronics equipment from any combination of vendors and partners to best fit their specific mobile network requirements. After working for the past few months with several core customers to fully test its capabilities, our new BreezeMAX system is ready for use by anyone planning to deploy an 802.16e WiMAX network, said Tzvika Friedman president and CEO of Alvarion. With its nomadic and self install capabilities, operators can begin offering a variety of data and voice services over WiMAX. As a result, service providers will benefit from immediate revenues by offering end users any service, anytime, anywhere. According to independent analyst firm, Maravedis, 56% of today's WiMAX networks are built using Alvarion equipment. The company's 4Motion solution is designed to offer service providers greater coverage, capacity and flexibility in their fixed, nomadic and mobile WiMAX deployments along with improved economics. BreezeMAX complies with IEEE 802.16 standards and uses OFDM technology for advanced non-line-of-sight functionality. Its carrier-class design supports broadband speeds and quality of service, enabling carriers to offer triple play broadband services to thousands of subscribers via a single base station. Since its launch in mid-2004, BreezeMAX is the most popular WiMAX system in the world having been successfully deployed in over 300 installations, in more than 100 countries worldwide. About Alvarion With more than 3 million units deployed in 150 countries, Alvarion (www.alvarion.com) is the world's leading provider of innovative wireless broadband network solutions enabling Personal Broadband to improve lifestyles and productivity with portable and mobile data, VoIP, video and other services. Leading the market with the most widely deployed WiMAX system in the world, Alvarion is leading the market to Open WiMAX solutions with the most extensive deployments and proven product portfolio in the industry covering the full range of frequency bands with both fixed and mobile solutions. Alvarion's products enable the delivery of personal mobile broadband, business and residential broadband access, corporate VPNs, toll quality telephony, mobile base station feeding, hotspot coverage extension, community interconnection, public safety communications, and mobile voice and data. As a wireless broadband pioneer, Alvarion has been driving and delivering innovations for over 10 years from core technology developments to creating and promoting industry standards. Leveraging its key
Re: [WISPA] P2P Apps Going Legit?
At 2:05 PM -0500 3/21/07, Matt wrote: The first fly in the ointment I see with the prevailing response from many WISPs (tell the 'hogs' to go elsewhere) is MDUs. Telling individual customers within an MDU to take a hike (even if you say it nicely) if you have an agreement with the MDU owner, could be a recipe for losing the MDU contract. Maybe that's necessary in some cases, but it'd sure be better to find a way to address the issues through technology rather than getting rid of customers. Perhaps I am missing something somewhere in this post but what is a MDU? Multidwelling unit (usually an apartment building or rental house). Also called MTU (multi-tenant unit). Chuck Also, we have nearly a 1000 CPE out and have been in the wisp business since 2000 and have yet too tell a user to take a hike. A few I would have liked to though. Regretfully the vast majority of our users are 900Mhz now. There is a bottleneck right there bandwidth wise that will be very difficult to work around. Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- --- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 x108 Tell me not, in mournful numbers, Life is but an empty dream! For the soul is dead that slumbers, And things are not what they seem. A Psalm of Life, Longfellow -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik Alternative for Remote AP
Gang, I've played around with a Mikrotik box as an ap and I really like what it'll do. I especially like the low power consumption it has. I measured it's average current draw at 12 volts for over a week with my Fluke 175 and it was drawing 0.310 Amps on average. This is 3.72 watts (at 12 v nominal) with 3 radios powered up and 2 radios actually sending/receiving data. I know its internally rated to handle 15 watts, but it doesn't use that much with CM9's. Now, is there an alternative to the Mikrotik that has similar qualities and is FCC certified? I am working on a solar powered ap and would like to have a bill of materials by weeks end. I'd like 2 ap's co-located and a ptp link to my NOC. Jason -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FYI - 802.16e now commercially shipping into North America
Not all WISPs use license-exempt exclusively, as you know. I am looking forward to some type of licensed play in the future myself. Congrats to Alvarion on staying ahead of the curve on WiMAX. By all accounts you guys are leading most of the pack out there for WiMAX globally. Let me know when you have this offering in AWS. Better yet come out with a platform which time shares 802.16 d and e so I can run both mobile and fixed in the same band. That would be the best of both worlds for WiMAX. Scriv Patrick Leary wrote: Hi folks, I just wanted this community to be aware of this. It does represent a major milestone for the industry, even though this is not license-exempt equipment. It is a market first. This is a commercial release, not an announcement of an upcoming product. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FYI - 802.16e now commercially shipping into North America
I have been doing a bit of research recently and am curious, if this is the first commercial release of WiMAX gear, how much of the stuff out there is FCC certified? I know that other companies as well as Alvarion have had several WiMAX networks up and running for a while now, but it is my understanding that the lions share of them are over seas ventures which obviously don't have to be FCC certified gear. Also, anyone want to take a stab at their thoughts on WiMAX in 5.x any time soon? I know that Towerstream is either using or moving to Aperto's WiMAX-like 5.x gear (can't be WiMAX certified in 5.x yet as I understand it). My question is, will WiMAX UL be subject to interference just like WiFi but have a higher throughput or are there other significant issues at play in UL? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Patrick Leary wrote: Hi folks, I just wanted this community to be aware of this. It does represent a major milestone for the industry, even though this is not license-exempt equipment. It is a market first. This is a commercial release, not an announcement of an upcoming product. Mar 21, 2007 Alvarion Addressing Widespread Demand for 802.16e-Based Solutions Extensively Tested with Carriers Around the World and Currently Shipping, BreezeMAX is the Cornerstone of Company's 4Motion Tel Aviv, Israel, March 21, 2007 - Alvarion Ltd. (NASDAQ: ALVR), the world's leading provider of WiMAX and wireless broadband solutions, today announced that its new BreezeMAXTM system, designed to comply with 802.16e, is available to address widespread demand for solutions based on the latest version of the WiMAX standard. After successful network trials and extensive testing now taking place in different regions around the world with customers in Angola, Costa Rica, El Salvador, France, Guatemala, Japan, Mexico, Norway, Russia, United States and other countries, Alvarion's new BreezeMAX system is designed to enable broadband anytime, anywhere as part of its 4MotionTM comprehensive network solution for mobile WiMAX. One example is DigitalBridge Communications (DBC), a provider of broadband services to underserved communities using WiMAX technology, which has selected Alvarion as its solutions partner. WiMAX allows us to bring broadband services to many smaller communities that were previously too costly to serve with older technologies, said Kelley Dunne, CEO of DigitalBridge Communications. DigitalBridge Communications has developed a highly scalable network deployment and back office platform that will enable us to take advantage of WiMAX economics to bring broadband to communities nationwide. We needed a solutions partner who brought market scalability and comprehensive engineering support to aid our growth. With a proven track record of leadership in the WiMAX industry, Alvarion was the natural choice. Using Alvarion's award-winning BreezeMAX as its radio access network (RAN), 4Motion operates at 2.3, 2.5, and 3.5 GHz and is already being used by more than 15 customers to provide fixed, nomadic and portable broadband services in urban, suburban and rural areas alike. BreezeMAX and 4Motion are the foundation of Alvarion's OPENTM WiMAX, an operator-centric, all-IP ecosystem that will enable service providers to choose network equipment and consumer electronics equipment from any combination of vendors and partners to best fit their specific mobile network requirements. After working for the past few months with several core customers to fully test its capabilities, our new BreezeMAX system is ready for use by anyone planning to deploy an 802.16e WiMAX network, said Tzvika Friedman president and CEO of Alvarion. With its nomadic and self install capabilities, operators can begin offering a variety of data and voice services over WiMAX. As a result, service providers will benefit from immediate revenues by offering end users any service, anytime, anywhere. According to independent analyst firm, Maravedis, 56% of today's WiMAX networks are built using Alvarion equipment. The company's 4Motion solution is designed to offer service providers greater coverage, capacity and flexibility in their fixed, nomadic and mobile WiMAX deployments along with improved economics. BreezeMAX complies with IEEE 802.16 standards and uses OFDM technology for advanced non-line-of-sight functionality. Its carrier-class design supports broadband speeds and quality of service, enabling carriers to offer triple play broadband services to thousands of subscribers via a single base station. Since its launch in mid-2004, BreezeMAX is the most popular WiMAX system in the world having been successfully deployed in over 300 installations, in more than 100 countries worldwide. About Alvarion With more than 3 million units deployed in 150 countries, Alvarion (www.alvarion.com) is the world's leading provider of innovative wireless broadband network solutions enabling Personal Broadband to improve lifestyles and productivity
RE: [WISPA] FYI - 802.16e now commercially shipping into North America
You'll be among the first to know John if the AWS range is covered. No need to run a 'd' version though, since .16e is inherently able to support both fixed and mobile (and nomadic) applications. But we are still selling lots of d version gear in many parts of the world. Been selling that since June 2004. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FYI - 802.16e now commercially shipping into North America Not all WISPs use license-exempt exclusively, as you know. I am looking forward to some type of licensed play in the future myself. Congrats to Alvarion on staying ahead of the curve on WiMAX. By all accounts you guys are leading most of the pack out there for WiMAX globally. Let me know when you have this offering in AWS. Better yet come out with a platform which time shares 802.16 d and e so I can run both mobile and fixed in the same band. That would be the best of both worlds for WiMAX. Scriv Patrick Leary wrote: Hi folks, I just wanted this community to be aware of this. It does represent a major milestone for the industry, even though this is not license-exempt equipment. It is a market first. This is a commercial release, not an announcement of an upcoming product. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Youtube
I was thinking on a caching server at the noc for my customers to have better response download time. Youtube, because it's so popular and there is so much there. I'm blown away to find just about any music there. It could be a great way to mass distribute free video content. Figured if I could cache youtube, I'd be ahead of the game. David E. Smith wrote: George Rogato wrote: Can youtube be cached? Theoretically, it probably could. There are sites like keepvid.com where you can enter the URL of a video on YouTube (or Google Video, or a bunch of others), they dig through the HTML and the embedded Flash goo, and give you a link to download the .flv file. (Then you can go download a specialized FLV player, and watch your YouTube clips at your convenience.) Ultimately, it's just another file you download from a Web server; YouTube's Flash player is just smart enough to start playing the file before it's completely downloaded. Of course, those .flv files are about 2MB per minute of video, give or take a bit. If you're using something like Squid, or the implementation of Squid built into Mikrotik RouterOS, files that large probably aren't cached by default, mostly because for smaller sites the odds of multiple users downloading the same really big file at the same time are usually fairly small. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FYI - 802.16e now commercially shipping into North America
Sam, Many companies have released the 802.16d versions of WiMAX, including us since June 2004. The announcement today is for the first ever commercial 802.16e version of WiMAX. All our stuff selling into the U.S. is FCC certified, as usual. As to the UL WiMAX question. Yes, anything that comes to market that is UL WiMAX will have to deal with the interference. That is why the IEEE established the Task Group (TG) 802.16h. TGh is chartered to create soft mechanisms that will enable co-existence in the UL environment with other .16 as well as .11 systems. This TG was establish almost two years ago (following the original 3650 MHz RO) and Alvarion's Mariana Goldhamer chairs the TG. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 4:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FYI - 802.16e now commercially shipping into North America I have been doing a bit of research recently and am curious, if this is the first commercial release of WiMAX gear, how much of the stuff out there is FCC certified? I know that other companies as well as Alvarion have had several WiMAX networks up and running for a while now, but it is my understanding that the lions share of them are over seas ventures which obviously don't have to be FCC certified gear. Also, anyone want to take a stab at their thoughts on WiMAX in 5.x any time soon? I know that Towerstream is either using or moving to Aperto's WiMAX-like 5.x gear (can't be WiMAX certified in 5.x yet as I understand it). My question is, will WiMAX UL be subject to interference just like WiFi but have a higher throughput or are there other significant issues at play in UL? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Patrick Leary wrote: Hi folks, I just wanted this community to be aware of this. It does represent a major milestone for the industry, even though this is not license-exempt equipment. It is a market first. This is a commercial release, not an announcement of an upcoming product. Mar 21, 2007 Alvarion Addressing Widespread Demand for 802.16e-Based Solutions Extensively Tested with Carriers Around the World and Currently Shipping, BreezeMAX is the Cornerstone of Company's 4Motion Tel Aviv, Israel, March 21, 2007 - Alvarion Ltd. (NASDAQ: ALVR), the world's leading provider of WiMAX and wireless broadband solutions, today announced that its new BreezeMAXTM system, designed to comply with 802.16e, is available to address widespread demand for solutions based on the latest version of the WiMAX standard. After successful network trials and extensive testing now taking place in different regions around the world with customers in Angola, Costa Rica, El Salvador, France, Guatemala, Japan, Mexico, Norway, Russia, United States and other countries, Alvarion's new BreezeMAX system is designed to enable broadband anytime, anywhere as part of its 4MotionTM comprehensive network solution for mobile WiMAX. One example is DigitalBridge Communications (DBC), a provider of broadband services to underserved communities using WiMAX technology, which has selected Alvarion as its solutions partner. WiMAX allows us to bring broadband services to many smaller communities that were previously too costly to serve with older technologies, said Kelley Dunne, CEO of DigitalBridge Communications. DigitalBridge Communications has developed a highly scalable network deployment and back office platform that will enable us to take advantage of WiMAX economics to bring broadband to communities nationwide. We needed a solutions partner who brought market scalability and comprehensive engineering support to aid our growth. With a proven track record of leadership in the WiMAX industry, Alvarion was the natural choice. Using Alvarion's award-winning BreezeMAX as its radio access network (RAN), 4Motion operates at 2.3, 2.5, and 3.5 GHz and is already being used by more than 15 customers to provide fixed, nomadic and portable broadband services in urban, suburban and rural areas alike. BreezeMAX and 4Motion are the foundation of Alvarion's OPENTM WiMAX, an operator-centric, all-IP ecosystem that will enable service providers to choose network equipment and consumer electronics equipment from any combination of vendors and partners to best fit their specific mobile network requirements. After working for the past few months with several core customers to fully test its capabilities, our new BreezeMAX system is ready for use by anyone planning to deploy an 802.16e WiMAX network, said Tzvika Friedman president and CEO of Alvarion. With its nomadic and self install capabilities, operators can begin offering a variety of data and voice services over WiMAX. As a result, service providers will benefit from immediate revenues by offering
