RE: [WISPA] Nifty little thing...
I can't be reading this right, sub $10.00 mesh!? Are these for home mesh networks, putting together tcp/ip, coffee pot, alarms, curtains, ht/ac, etc.? http://www.automation.com/store/p1030details19815.php?x=1&pagePath=, 2687,2695 Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott (Excell Data Corporation) Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Nifty little thing... I have no idea what the cost is: http://ortronics.com/us/products/wi-jack-duo/ ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Nifty little thing...
Ortronics Homaco Products Michael Burke, Sales Manager, HOMACO 8406 HollyBrook Lane Tinley Park, IL 60477 (860) 405-2836 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott (Excell Data Corporation) Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Nifty little thing... I have no idea what the cost is: http://ortronics.com/us/products/wi-jack-duo/ ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
I'd be happy to even get a price quote from them... :( Travis Microserv Charles Wu wrote: The question with Trango always is who wants to be first... (Free beta testers don't count) -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Anyone have any experience with Trango's new product? How does it compare to similar products? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Nifty little thing...
I have no idea what the cost is: http://ortronics.com/us/products/wi-jack-duo/ ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] [OT] The USPS never ceases to amaze me
I do believe there is an additional charge for international and intergalactic mail. -Original Message- From: Rich Comroe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [OT] The USPS never ceases to amaze me Loved the image. What really amazes me is that you can mail to anywhere in the galaxy for a mere 41 cent first class postage. Rich - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [OT] The USPS never ceases to amaze me Haha, don't worry about it. The laughter is worth more than $1. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: [WISPA] [OT] The USPS never ceases to amaze me [The entire original message is not included] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
The question with Trango always is who wants to be first... (Free beta testers don't count) -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga Anyone have any experience with Trango's new product? How does it compare to similar products? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] MDU info?
Nowadays...we're finding that most MDU owners don't want to talk to you unless you can do a triple play (data, voice, video) VoIP is pretty commonplace, and an IP-Video residential play is becoming a reality for a lot out there...we've rolled out triple play services, and in new buildings, we deliberately convince the builders to wire the building with Cat-5e / fiber (no coax) so cablecos have no chance competing It's a nice business to be in -Charles P.S. -- After selling the WISP, I have now invested in some MDUs...and even as a technologically savy MDU owner, dealing with multiple vendors / contractors / etc (and the insurance headaches, access, etc) is a [EMAIL PROTECTED]@# nightmare...in my case, telecommunications is last on the list of things I want to deal with (e.g., gas and rising electricity costs are big right now) -- just having a single point of contact for all of my telecommunications needs (e.g., triple play provider) is huge --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 3:00 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] MDU info? I'm hoping someone here can point me to good info sources on MDU networking. (I did a quick search and didn't find much specifically on multiple dwelling unit) I'm a very small wireless ISP. Right now my Internet source is a DSL on top of a city water tower. I'll need more bandwidth in a few months, and access to the water tower is problematic (call in advance, iffy on weekends, etc). There is a new loft project in this town (80 res units plus a few store fronts), I'm trying to become the preferred ISP for them. The builder is running Cat5 to all the lofts, and I could get a fiber line into the building and reasonably priced bandwidth. I'm thinking a short tower on this 5 story building would link up to a grain leg I have a few miles away, giving my wireless net a faster / better connection to the net. My questions are: * is it typical that the property owner gets a kickback for using his Cat5? * seems like the only equipment I would need for the lofts is a good switch and a router to handle bandwidth shaping? * anything else I could offer that would make my offer more attractive to the property manager? Thanks for pointers to any more details on this line of business. Sorry to hijack the wireless list... -John PS - I have done department level network support for many years (50 - 100 computers). And I'm hoping to stay away from phone and video service for now. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 50ft free standing tower..
I'd say to upload some pictures of it somewhere so someone can identify the tower and then find the engineering documents on it to ensure you have it properly constructed for the loading. My grandma's TV tower fell down about 2 hours ago. It was their second in 30 years. Something tells me they weren't put up right. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:33 PM Subject: [WISPA] 50ft free standing tower.. I have a lightweight 50ft freestanding tower that I picked up used. I want to set it up but I am wondering what size concrete pad I should pour. It is only going to have a client radio on it. Mark McElvy -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 50ft free standing tower..
I have a lightweight 50ft freestanding tower that I picked up used. I want to set it up but I am wondering what size concrete pad I should pour. It is only going to have a client radio on it. Mark McElvy -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA Members] Re: [WISPA] 2007 Board of Directors ElectionResults
That's fine with me. m - Original Message - From: "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Re: [WISPA] 2007 Board of Directors ElectionResults Marlon, This is a great summary of WISPA's beginning. It should be put on the WISPA website some where, though I would leave out the negative parts about specific persons. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Blush Thanks John! I'm still glad you were willing to belly up to the bar and put forth the work to start a WISP trade association v4.0. From time to time, people ask what's so special about WISPA, I'd like to voice some of that now. That way you guys can pass it along to more of those that haven't joined yet WISPA is actually my 4th attempt at a trade association for our industry. It started with Rick Haskins (not Harnish) back in 2001 or so. Rick worked his tail off, got the support of Tim Downs with Broadband Wireless World Forum. He didn't, however, get enough support from operators like me. I think, looking back, that the timing was just wrong. Too few of us had any idea what to do, when to do it, or how to pay for it. Too few of us had any disposable income at all back then. We also had no time at all. It was, believe it or not, worse then than it is today. Now we CAN move out time commitments around a bit if need be. Next up was the WCA and it's License Exempt Alliance (LEA). The WCA is a commercial trade org and follows the money. I'll never forget when the WCA filed on the mix and match components NPRM and said that amps should NOT be allowed to be mixed and matched. In the end the FCC actually stiffened the rules about amps in our networks. Mike Young from YDI seemed to be the only one on the conference call that I was on that was in favor of the amp rule as proposed, and he got his way. I'm guessing that he paid more money to the association and did more of the FCC filing work etc. Oh yeah, last I knew he's not even in the industry anymore! In third place we have Part-15.org. I helped as much as I could with that one too. I even joined at one point. P15 was started by, operated by, and owned by Mike Anderson. I didn't have a problem with that in it's self, but I thought we needed an association that was owned by us, not one person. This point was driven home in one FCC filing, I don't remember which one, but I do remember that the p15 stance was clearly bad for WISPs. I found out later that Mike Young had written that filing too. Again, it went against what most of us in the business had said over and over that we wanted. Yet our voice was like peeing on a forest fire. Made us feel better but didn't do a damned bit of good in the end. Then, as I stood in an airport, waiting for my flight I got a phone call. It was an ugly brute of a man I'd met a time or two and almost liked (roflol). OK, I'd grown to both respect and, more importantly to me, like John Scrivner. We must have talked for at least an hour. I wish I could remember what airport I was in. I can still remember that I was at the very end of the jetway, far out in the sticks terminal wise. I remember John saying that he thought we did indeed need a trade association and he'd be willing to try to get one rolling. I told him that I didn't have time to run anything but if he'd step up to the plate and give it a go I'd do what I could to help him. By the end of the call it was all settled, we'd round up some others and see what we could get accomplished. Some days I'm sure John regrets that conversation. I was the one that really pushed for Brett Glass to be a part of the founding committee. I reasoned that it would insulate us from much criticism about being a good ol' boys club etc. (We were, after all, still reeling from finding out that the non-profit p15 was in fact a for profit corp all along.) Well, that turned out to be rotten advice. A pot stirrer will stir the pot no matter what you do. Lesson learned. I'd spent quite a bit of time at the FCC by this time. I'd gotten to know much of the leadership there and some of the policy folks. I'd been told, many a time, that ISP associations had very little credibility at the FCC/government level, even though the FCC preferred to deal with trade associations. They liked the associations because much of the squabbling gets dealt with long before people show up at the Commission. That makes their job much easier. They don't like ISP associations because about the time the associations get big enough to have an impact, one of the big operators will come in and take over making this "trade association" really nothing more than another lobbying arm of the incumbents. Knowing this, we set up a conference call with one of the top policy people at the FCC (Robert Cannon). I know John and I were on the call, not sure if anyone else made it or n
Re: [WISPA] [OT] The USPS never ceases to amaze me
Loved the image. What really amazes me is that you can mail to anywhere in the galaxy for a mere 41 cent first class postage. Rich - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [OT] The USPS never ceases to amaze me Haha, don't worry about it. The laughter is worth more than $1. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: [WISPA] [OT] The USPS never ceases to amaze me > http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/2007-June/036509.html > http://images.bureau42.com/sa/wispamail.jpg > > Mike Hammett, your $1 will be there in a couple days. > > David Smith > MVN.net > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MDU info?
If he has the cable or not, its your net. The idea is to make it appear as a "important Service" for you to come in and provide data on his cable. as you said a MT and a managed switch would work wonders, or you can just plug it all in and run PPPoE over the Ethernet (my way). Something else you can do, is setup a hotspot (where they're pppoe username/password would work) in public areas. He may wish to charge you for the tower to get to your network, but that would be a worth while expense I would think. Should he get a kickback, yep, a % that you two agree upon. use the words "You don't have to do anything" that's the kinds of thing you want. If you want more, you could have him pay for the monthly in each of the renters rental price. This would be nice as there is not much for you to do! Turn it on, put some PCQs in and let them run. Dennis On 6/18/07, John Valenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm hoping someone here can point me to good info sources on MDU networking. (I did a quick search and didn't find much specifically on multiple dwelling unit) I'm a very small wireless ISP. Right now my Internet source is a DSL on top of a city water tower. I'll need more bandwidth in a few months, and access to the water tower is problematic (call in advance, iffy on weekends, etc). There is a new loft project in this town (80 res units plus a few store fronts), I'm trying to become the preferred ISP for them. The builder is running Cat5 to all the lofts, and I could get a fiber line into the building and reasonably priced bandwidth. I'm thinking a short tower on this 5 story building would link up to a grain leg I have a few miles away, giving my wireless net a faster / better connection to the net. My questions are: * is it typical that the property owner gets a kickback for using his Cat5? * seems like the only equipment I would need for the lofts is a good switch and a router to handle bandwidth shaping? * anything else I could offer that would make my offer more attractive to the property manager? Thanks for pointers to any more details on this line of business. Sorry to hijack the wireless list... -John PS - I have done department level network support for many years (50 - 100 computers). And I'm hoping to stay away from phone and video service for now. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.mikrotikconsulting.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MDU info?
I'm hoping someone here can point me to good info sources on MDU networking. (I did a quick search and didn't find much specifically on multiple dwelling unit) I'm a very small wireless ISP. Right now my Internet source is a DSL on top of a city water tower. I'll need more bandwidth in a few months, and access to the water tower is problematic (call in advance, iffy on weekends, etc). There is a new loft project in this town (80 res units plus a few store fronts), I'm trying to become the preferred ISP for them. The builder is running Cat5 to all the lofts, and I could get a fiber line into the building and reasonably priced bandwidth. I'm thinking a short tower on this 5 story building would link up to a grain leg I have a few miles away, giving my wireless net a faster / better connection to the net. My questions are: * is it typical that the property owner gets a kickback for using his Cat5? * seems like the only equipment I would need for the lofts is a good switch and a router to handle bandwidth shaping? * anything else I could offer that would make my offer more attractive to the property manager? Thanks for pointers to any more details on this line of business. Sorry to hijack the wireless list... -John PS - I have done department level network support for many years (50 - 100 computers). And I'm hoping to stay away from phone and video service for now. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
Anyone have any experience with Trango's new product? How does it compare to similar products? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [OT] The USPS never ceases to amaze me
Haha, don't worry about it. The laughter is worth more than $1. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: [WISPA] [OT] The USPS never ceases to amaze me http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/2007-June/036509.html http://images.bureau42.com/sa/wispamail.jpg Mike Hammett, your $1 will be there in a couple days. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] [OT] The USPS never ceases to amaze me
http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/2007-June/036509.html http://images.bureau42.com/sa/wispamail.jpg Mike Hammett, your $1 will be there in a couple days. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites
Michael Erskine wrote: Jack Unger wrote: Michael, I appreciate your sharing your thoughts and your son's thoughts and I think I understand your concern. Although he's not in the Army, my oldest son also works for the U.S. government and he too is assigned to serve in a country that experiences daily street warfare. I shall keep you son in my prayers as well. Thank him for his work. I'll continue to pray that your son and my son and all our sons can one day soon return home safely and lead normal lives. jack Aye. That is a worthy prayer. I'm sorry I got miffed last night. Politics is just such a touchy topic, especially with me these days. Have a good day, Jack. -m- Thanks, Michael - You have a good day too. jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites
Jack Unger wrote: Michael, I appreciate your sharing your thoughts and your son's thoughts and I think I understand your concern. Although he's not in the Army, my oldest son also works for the U.S. government and he too is assigned to serve in a country that experiences daily street warfare. I shall keep you son in my prayers as well. Thank him for his work. I'll continue to pray that your son and my son and all our sons can one day soon return home safely and lead normal lives. jack Aye. That is a worthy prayer. I'm sorry I got miffed last night. Politics is just such a touchy topic, especially with me these days. Have a good day, Jack. -m- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant
For Last Mile- FreeSpace Optics can be had now up to 1/2 mile for as low as $5K. GB manufacturers are going to realize soon, the day of the huge profit margin will be a thing of the past. The competition is here on all fronts. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband Yep, I just did a 100meg FSO link and it was around $5k for the link. I wuld have preffered to do fiber and I'm sure it would have been not much more, but the beaurocracy to get where I needed to go was slow moving. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant
And would it have an ROI measured in 10+ years... Not if you got an anchor tenant at each POP/MTU to cover the lease payment. This is a Finance problem, not a ROI problem. Financiers are still afraid to lend money for high dollar technology in an industry of falling prices. Each pair costs $20k+, and I know manufacturers are holding back on lowering the price because they know how much actual fiber costs to bury 1 mile and the time it actually takes They (GB manufacturers) better not wait to long, to lower prices, or they are going to miss the market opportunity window. For backhaul- The big advantage to WISPs with 60-80Ghz was time to market advantage. Thats disappearing quick, with low cost Licensed gear here now. When a WISP can put up 300-600mbps licensed, going much much further distances, in a MESH design, it starts to become a much better value proposition (with higher network-wide aggregate throughput) than GB wireless in a BUS/RING design. For Last Mile- FreeSpace Optics can be had now up to 1/2 mile for as low as $5K. GB manufacturers are going to realize soon, the day of the huge profit margin will be a thing of the past. The competition is here on all fronts. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Doug Ratcliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Copper Plant I think what we're going to need to see in the wireless industry, very soon, is affordable medium range (1.5 miles or less) gigabit speed backhauls. I feel that in an urban environment (city, etc) that we could build SONET-style wireless gigabit rings around these areas. FSO / 60ghz type equipment, very little interference, etc. But the problem with this is - to put a pair of these units up at the average multi-story building is not effective cost-wise. Each pair costs $20k+, and I know manufacturers are holding back on lowering the price because they know how much actual fiber costs to bury 1 mile and the time it actually takes. I have enough high-rise customers I could build a backhaul ring network in my area, and offer unbelievable speeds. From those buildings, wireless pico-cells could offer Wi-Max speeds to 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile. Or secondary slower FSO links could be used for nearby customers. Unlicensed 2.4/5.8 backhauls could also be used from these points. But the cost would be astronomical right now. 10 or 20 of these units could easily cost more than a Ferrari. And would it have an ROI measured in 10+ years... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 1:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant Not even close. The telco's aren't stupid enough to pay billions of dollars ($23 billion expected total cost for Verizon's FTTH project) simply to close off line sharing requirements. Total revenue for "other providers of local service" nationwide (not just Verizon territory) was a total of $22 billion last year. Peter, you may have more exact stats, this is pulling from the FCC Annual Telecommunications revenue report. Considering this includes a lot of stuff that doesn't fall under CLEC status, this isn't enough to really justify Verizon and AT&T's move to fiber. I'm not arguing that line sharing isn't an annoyance. But, the reality is that it is simply an annoyance. Most of the players who really "count" in terms of major threats to revenue either are moving to fiber or fiber/coax hybrid because we are no longer in the 1990s. 5Mb/s was great technology in 1998. We are in 2007, and by the end of the decade most of the major cable companies will be pushing DOCSIS 3 with 50-100Mb/s (with much higher theoretical capacity). The telcos have their backs up against the wall in a lot of respects. The cable companies are rolling out voice, which is a piece of cake these days (well, compared to the challenge of deploying video services, voice is a piece of cake) and are getting their act together in a big way about going after the business market. The telcos are on an old copper network which simply can't handle much data (max even for the next generation is ADSL2 is 25Mb/s down, 5 up +-). The simple reality is that copper pairs can't handle much data. The cable companies don't really have that liability--a coax plant can push about 50Gb/s (albeit "broadcast" rather than point to point) for residential and are doing metro-ethernet stuff as well on the business side. Smart CLECs that target business customers are dropping fiber into multi-tenant buildings and grabbing up lucritive business customers that way. Sticking with copper simply means that the telco's don't have the technical basis to compete. Plain and simple. The market is evolving. Sure, telcos don't like line sharing. However, CLECs buy
[WISPA] Chanute KS
Looking for a service I was talking to last year, Chanute or Iola KS... got some business for ya -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
