[WISPA] Hotspot Phone Tech Support ?

2007-08-06 Thread Smith, Rick
I've asked this question before, never really got a 
response.  Figured I'd try again.

I run a number of hotspots, and need to provide
24x7 support for the users at them.  Generally means
asking the stupid questions like is your wireless
adapter turned on / cable plugged in, etc

I use an answering service now, and they're just not
cutting it.  They have been given a QA sheet by me,
with prescribed answers, and then if none of those
answers / procedures work, they're to patch me or my
tech support person in to the call so we can take it
from there.

Well, they're telling customers Sorry, support dept
is closed, let me patch you through to someone else
all the time.   They're now being fired ASAP.

Need someone to replace them.   These calls don't last
long, and it's not too involved a process to support
customers at a hotspot.  

Does anyone subscribe (or offer) such a service ?   

Needs to be courteous people with knowledge on the 
other end on supporting stuff like this.  And, it
NEEDS to be 24x7x365 staffed.

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RE: [WISPA] Hotspot Phone Tech Support ?

2007-08-06 Thread Mac Dearman

Rick,


  Give Mike Kasprzk (pronounced - Casperzak) a call. He does hotspots at
hotels and has a company that takes on the phone support for them. He is
located in Buffalo New York and he is a good guy.

Mike Kasprzyk
Thinwires, LLC
Phone: 1.866.736.6851
Web: http://www.thinwires.com/


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 I've asked this question before, never really got a
 response.  Figured I'd try again.
 
 I run a number of hotspots, and need to provide
 24x7 support for the users at them.  Generally means
 asking the stupid questions like is your wireless
 adapter turned on / cable plugged in, etc
 
 I use an answering service now, and they're just not
 cutting it.  They have been given a QA sheet by me,
 with prescribed answers, and then if none of those
 answers / procedures work, they're to patch me or my
 tech support person in to the call so we can take it
 from there.
 
 Well, they're telling customers Sorry, support dept
 is closed, let me patch you through to someone else
 all the time.   They're now being fired ASAP.
 
 Need someone to replace them.   These calls don't last
 long, and it's not too involved a process to support
 customers at a hotspot.
 
 Does anyone subscribe (or offer) such a service ?
 
 Needs to be courteous people with knowledge on the
 other end on supporting stuff like this.  And, it
 NEEDS to be 24x7x365 staffed.
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[WISPA] Cable

2007-08-06 Thread Blair Davis
I have been using an outdoor, shielded, flooded, with drain wire cat5e 
cable from Arc Wireless/Winncom for all my outdoor work and have had 
great luck with it.


Now, it appears this cable is no longer available.  I'm looking for a 
replacement.


While I'd prefer the same cable, I'd be able to live with a non-flooded 
version.


Any recommendations?  I'm running out of cable here!


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[WISPA] Fw: [Wisp] TV Whitespace Devices not ready for prime time

2007-08-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Any manufacturers care to clue us in on why Dell et. al. are the only one's 
submitting devices?  We'd like to see this band NOT be used for personal 
portable devices anyway.


Alvarion, Motorola, Atheros, where are you guys?

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Subject: [Wisp] TV Whitespace Devices not ready for prime time


Lost among all the hoopla about the 700 Mhz auction news, another issue 
that's probably more important to WISPs in the long run was addressed on 
Friday. After the FCC released its proposed rules for TV whitespace, the 
FCC asked manufacturers to provide devices for testing to the FCC lab. The 
FCC released the results of the two devices and they were not impressed. 
The lab found the devices to be too prone to causing interference. These 
were just the first prototypes and were bound to be weak. Now that 
manufacturers have a better idea of what the FCC is looking for, they can 
go back to the drawing board and try again. Comments are due on the notice 
by August 15th with reply comments due August 27th. Wouldn't be a bad idea 
for a few of you to file comments and let the FCC know that just because 
these devices didn't work, the commission should resist any pressure to 
delay the opening of this spectrum and work with manufacturers to create a 
market of compliant devices. Also, the prototypes were created by a 
consortium of Dell, Google, HP, Intel, Microsoft and Philips. Are any 
WISPA vendors working on TV whitespace gear? If not, any idea why not? I'm 
just a dumb lawyer but this seems like a potentially large market for 
Alvarion, Trango, Motorola and everybody else.


Here's the link to the public notice: 
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-07-3457A1.pdf
Here's the link to the report with all the technical details: 
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-275666A1.pdf


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Re: [WISPA] Cable

2007-08-06 Thread Tom DeReggi

Definately call Shireen, (www.allrfcables.com)
He stocks the non-gel cable that is a replacement/equivelent for ArcWireless 
type.

(sometimes he has it with Gel)
We use it for most of our outdoor installs, its been working well.

On a side note, as policy we now prefer to select non-Gell Filled. We found 
it unnecessary (If actually not burying cable in ground), because the gel 
usually just ended up oosing out over time causing failure of Ethernet 
connectors, or a mess dripping inside premise at terminations.  Basically we 
predict that radio solutions without gel-filled would end up with a longer 
life without maintenance using non-gel filled.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:56 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Cable


I have been using an outdoor, shielded, flooded, with drain wire cat5e 
cable from Arc Wireless/Winncom for all my outdoor work and have had great 
luck with it.


Now, it appears this cable is no longer available.  I'm looking for a 
replacement.


While I'd prefer the same cable, I'd be able to live with a non-flooded 
version.


Any recommendations?  I'm running out of cable here!


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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Phone Tech Support ?

2007-08-06 Thread George Rogato

Why would you expect an answering service to do tech suport?

Isn't it out of their league to handle anythng more than taking a name 
number and message?


The problem I see with hotspot tech support, is the cost should be much 
higher than the hotspot internet service costs. A per incident price 
makes more sense to me.


George

Smith, Rick wrote:
I've asked this question before, never really got a 
response.  Figured I'd try again.


I run a number of hotspots, and need to provide
24x7 support for the users at them.  Generally means
asking the stupid questions like is your wireless
adapter turned on / cable plugged in, etc

I use an answering service now, and they're just not
cutting it.  They have been given a QA sheet by me,
with prescribed answers, and then if none of those
answers / procedures work, they're to patch me or my
tech support person in to the call so we can take it
from there.

Well, they're telling customers Sorry, support dept
is closed, let me patch you through to someone else
all the time.   They're now being fired ASAP.

Need someone to replace them.   These calls don't last
long, and it's not too involved a process to support
customers at a hotspot.  

Does anyone subscribe (or offer) such a service ?   

Needs to be courteous people with knowledge on the 
other end on supporting stuff like this.  And, it

NEEDS to be 24x7x365 staffed.

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RE: [WISPA] Cable

2007-08-06 Thread Brad Belton
I agree the oozing gel can be a mess, but it should be nonconductive and
have no adverse effects to an Ethernet port.

Years ago I found an eight port Netgear switch nearly flooded with the oozed
gel mess.  Didn't seem to affect it in the least.

Best,


Brad


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cable

Definately call Shireen, (www.allrfcables.com)
He stocks the non-gel cable that is a replacement/equivelent for ArcWireless

type.
(sometimes he has it with Gel)
We use it for most of our outdoor installs, its been working well.

On a side note, as policy we now prefer to select non-Gell Filled. We found 
it unnecessary (If actually not burying cable in ground), because the gel 
usually just ended up oosing out over time causing failure of Ethernet 
connectors, or a mess dripping inside premise at terminations.  Basically we

predict that radio solutions without gel-filled would end up with a longer 
life without maintenance using non-gel filled.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:56 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Cable


I have been using an outdoor, shielded, flooded, with drain wire cat5e 
cable from Arc Wireless/Winncom for all my outdoor work and have had great 
luck with it.

 Now, it appears this cable is no longer available.  I'm looking for a 
 replacement.

 While I'd prefer the same cable, I'd be able to live with a non-flooded 
 version.

 Any recommendations?  I'm running out of cable here!


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 AOL IM Screen Name --  Theory240

 West Michigan Wireless ISP
 269-686-8648

 A division of:
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[WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread David E. Smith
I'm looking for a way to keep an eye on my network, and to fix some 
basic stuff, while hiking, or on vacation, or what-have-you. Ideally, 
something I could take to a baseball game with me, even.


A laptop computer is far too big for what I've got in mind, as it's 
likely to double as a pass-around pager for whoever's on call this 
week. Thus, I'm probably limited to a Blackberry or maybe a Windows 
Mobile device like the Motorola Q, running on a cell phone network.


Most of our towers are running Valemount's StarOS software, so we need 
something that has an SSH client, and that SSH client needs to support 
key chording (Control-whatever, basically). Most devices like this, a 
Web browser is a given, which should handle the rest of our needs 
(looking in on the network monitoring system, and a couple Ligowave 
towers). The ability to receive (and, maybe, send) emails is important, 
but that's pretty much guaranteed these days too. (Worst case, I whip up 
some email-to-SMS voodoo.)


VNC support would be swell but probably not strictly needed. (Besides, 
it'd take forever to scroll around a 1208x1024 desktop on one of those...)


I can't be the first one here who's looked at getting a Blackberry (or 
something similar) to handle basic network stuff remotely. What works? 
What doesn't? Will I even be sorta-happy with, say, a Blackberry 8700?


David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread Matt Liotta
If your entire network is managed via a web-based OSS then any cell 
phone with a decent browser should do what you need. I can't imagine 
wanting to do SSH via a cell phone. That seems like a sure fire way to 
have a typo on something important.


-Matt

David E. Smith wrote:
I'm looking for a way to keep an eye on my network, and to fix some 
basic stuff, while hiking, or on vacation, or what-have-you. Ideally, 
something I could take to a baseball game with me, even.


A laptop computer is far too big for what I've got in mind, as it's 
likely to double as a pass-around pager for whoever's on call this 
week. Thus, I'm probably limited to a Blackberry or maybe a Windows 
Mobile device like the Motorola Q, running on a cell phone network.


Most of our towers are running Valemount's StarOS software, so we need 
something that has an SSH client, and that SSH client needs to support 
key chording (Control-whatever, basically). Most devices like this, a 
Web browser is a given, which should handle the rest of our needs 
(looking in on the network monitoring system, and a couple Ligowave 
towers). The ability to receive (and, maybe, send) emails is 
important, but that's pretty much guaranteed these days too. (Worst 
case, I whip up some email-to-SMS voodoo.)


VNC support would be swell but probably not strictly needed. (Besides, 
it'd take forever to scroll around a 1208x1024 desktop on one of 
those...)


I can't be the first one here who's looked at getting a Blackberry (or 
something similar) to handle basic network stuff remotely. What works? 
What doesn't? Will I even be sorta-happy with, say, a Blackberry 8700?


David Smith
MVN.net
 


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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread John Scrivner



Matt Liotta wrote:
If your entire network is managed via a web-based OSS then any cell 
phone with a decent browser should do what you need. I can't imagine 
wanting to do SSH via a cell phone. That seems like a sure fire way to 
have a typo on something important.


-Matt

We are not looking at a cell phone. We are looking for a device with a 
very small keyboard as you can see by his request...


Thus, I'm probably limited to a Blackberry or maybe a Windows Mobile 
device like the Motorola Q, running on a cell phone network.







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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread David E. Smith

Matt Liotta wrote:
If your entire network is managed via a web-based OSS then any cell 
phone with a decent browser should do what you need. I can't imagine 
wanting to do SSH via a cell phone. That seems like a sure fire way to 
have a typo on something important.


It's not so much a network management system as it is a six-year-old 
copy of WhatsUp Gold.


The most complicated thing I'm likely to try with one is rebooting it, 
but even that requires logging into something via SSH (either the unit 
itself, or some other system somewhere so you can reboot it via starutil).


David Smith
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[WISPA] 60Ghz backhaul....

2007-08-06 Thread Luke Pack
I was wondering of anyone had any advise as to what type of radio to get 100+mb 
throughput with high reliability.  This would be an upgrade to a backbone. I 
have read up on some of the 60Ghz but the one I found was well over 10Gs (not 
happening).  One important thing is that I have to stay out of the 5.7 range 
(this tower has that covered.) and there lies the trouble.  I am, so far, 
looking at some 5.4s but If anyone has any advise, I would appreciate it.

Regards,

LP

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[WISPA] Bandwidth

2007-08-06 Thread Jory Privett
I am looking to upgrade one of my PoPs with some more bandwidth.   I have 
pricing from a reputable provider to deliver a 10M wireless link with a SLA. 
They support BGP, have plenty of bandwidth to supply, and will supply all 
the equipment for the link on a two year ontract.  I am wondering what other 
people might be paying for a service like this?


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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread Butch Evans

On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, David E. Smith wrote:

I'm looking for a way to keep an eye on my network, and to fix some 
basic stuff, while hiking, or on vacation, or what-have-you. 
Ideally, something I could take to a baseball game with me, even.


I'd suggest an IPAQ or similar type palmtop pc.  I know that 
Cingular and others sell these devices.  Many of these have 
802.11(a/b/g) capability as well, so you can use that where 
available.  Don't get the Blackjack, though.


Putty has a windows mobile version that works well enough.

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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread JohnnyO
I've used my Cingular 8125 to do SSH and Web based management I have not 
looked into what upgrades they have for this but it's been nice at times.


It has a nicer keyboard then any of the Crackberries i've seen.

JohnnyO
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Matt Liotta wrote:
If your entire network is managed via a web-based OSS then any cell phone 
with a decent browser should do what you need. I can't imagine wanting to 
do SSH via a cell phone. That seems like a sure fire way to have a typo 
on something important.


It's not so much a network management system as it is a six-year-old 
copy of WhatsUp Gold.


The most complicated thing I'm likely to try with one is rebooting it, but 
even that requires logging into something via SSH (either the unit itself, 
or some other system somewhere so you can reboot it via starutil).


David Smith
MVN.net

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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread Matt Liotta

David E. Smith wrote:
It's not so much a network management system as it is a 
six-year-old copy of WhatsUp Gold.



That might be worth looking into then.
The most complicated thing I'm likely to try with one is rebooting it, 
but even that requires logging into something via SSH (either the unit 
itself, or some other system somewhere so you can reboot it via 
starutil).


Again, I think a web-based system would be better. For example, you 
could on the cheap write a PHP script to SSH into something and reboot 
it all while presenting a web interface to your mobile. Safe and effective!


-Matt

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RE: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Butch, why not the Blackjack? Does it have issues or is it more limited
than the others?


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On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, David E. Smith wrote:

I'm looking for a way to keep an eye on my network, and to fix some 
basic stuff, while hiking, or on vacation, or what-have-you. 
Ideally, something I could take to a baseball game with me, even.

I'd suggest an IPAQ or similar type palmtop pc.  I know that 
Cingular and others sell these devices.  Many of these have 
802.11(a/b/g) capability as well, so you can use that where 
available.  Don't get the Blackjack, though.

Putty has a windows mobile version that works well enough.

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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread David E. Smith

JohnnyO wrote:
I've used my Cingular 8125 to do SSH and Web based management I have 
not looked into what upgrades they have for this but it's been nice at 
times.


What SSH client are you using? (And does the keyboard actually have a 
Ctrl key?)


It's likely I'll still be stuck with a Blackberry because of cell 
coverage, sadly. (Around here, the best coverage by far is Alltel, who 
recently bought out local company First Cellular; ATT/Cingular has, by 
most accounts, pretty iffy coverage. And Alltel is all about the 
Blackberry. Either that or the Moto Q.)


I'll look into that one, though. Thanks for the reassurance that my idea 
isn't totally nuts. :)


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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread David E. Smith

Matt Liotta wrote:

Again, I think a web-based system would be better. For example, you 
could on the cheap write a PHP script to SSH into something and reboot 
it all while presenting a web interface to your mobile. Safe and effective!


That implies my ability to write a PHP script with click here to 
reboot will result in something safe. I'm not sure I trust me that much.


Just think of what happens if it's a clickable link and I screw up a 
password check somewhere and Google starts spidering that page... :)


Just an hour ago, as I was composing the original email in this thread, 
I discovered that you can use starutil to remotely reboot a tower; I may 
create one of those regardless, on the it's cool principle. It doesn't 
eliminate my need for a decent SSH client (to, at least, SSH into a 
Linux shell server, from which I can telnet into all those old Trangos I 
still have, for which there isn't an easy remote-reboot option).


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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread David E. Smith

Matt Liotta wrote:


What do you call a Blackberry and Motorola Q other than a cell phone?


Well, if you want to poke at semantics... ;)

My intent was to imply that full QWERTY keyboard good, standard phone 
keypad with only twelve or so buttons bad.


Just for playing, I did play with midpssh on my cell phone; took me 
about two minutes to enter my normal shell password. It's do-able, but 
I'd have to be really desperate to ever do it again.


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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread John Valenti

David,

This is totally in the other direction of having a full keyboard, but  
you might look at the Nokia 770 and 800. The 770's are on discount  
now, for about $150.  Someone showed me theirs last week.  It is more  
geared toward Wi-Fi connections, but would connect to the net thru  
bluetooth to your cellphone.


Seemed like a reasonable web browser for something that fits in your  
pocket. And it runs linux, so ssh is there. I was able to connect to  
a StarOS AP in less than a minute. I'm hoping ssh can be configured  
with some macros, plus practice should improve on time.   800x480  
screen, I might new glasses.




On August 6, at 3:58 PM August 6, David E. Smith wrote:



My intent was to imply that full QWERTY keyboard good, standard  
phone keypad with only twelve or so buttons bad.


Just for playing, I did play with midpssh on my cell phone; took me  
about two minutes to enter my normal shell password. It's do-able,  
but I'd have to be really desperate to ever do it again.



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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread David E. Smith

John Valenti wrote:

This is totally in the other direction of having a full keyboard, but 
you might look at the Nokia 770 and 800. The 770's are on discount now, 
for about $150.  Someone showed me theirs last week.  It is more geared 
toward Wi-Fi connections, but would connect to the net thru bluetooth to 
your cellphone.


I just bought one to tinker with a couple weeks ago, actually. I've 
already done the loopback ssh thing to get root, and enabled red-pill 
mode, the mere name of which gives me fits of giggles. Who wouldn't want 
a Debian box in their pocket? :)


It might work, but it's not quite as simple as what I really really 
want. I intend, eventually, for this hypothetical gadget to be passed 
around every week between techs. This means I'd have to buy three new 
phones, all with Bluetooth support and data plans (to use for tethering 
to the 770), which is likely to cost quite a bit more, long-term.


Either that, or I buy one phone for tethering, but then whoever's on 
call that week has to keep track of three gadgets - a personal phone, 
the Bluetooth phone, and the 770 - which starts getting annoying and 
cumbersome again. If this mythical device is too big to fit in a pants 
pocket, it will get left at home, where it doesn't do anyone any good.



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Re: [WISPA] 60Ghz backhaul....

2007-08-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

5.4 or even 5.3 should be good.  Depending on how long of a run it is.

How long do you have to go?  How fast?
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- Original Message - 
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To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 12:26 PM
Subject: [WISPA] 60Ghz backhaul


I was wondering of anyone had any advise as to what type of radio to get 
100+mb throughput with high reliability.  This would be an upgrade to a 
backbone. I have read up on some of the 60Ghz but the one I found was well 
over 10Gs (not happening).  One important thing is that I have to stay out 
of the 5.7 range (this tower has that covered.) and there lies the trouble. 
I am, so far, looking at some 5.4s but If anyone has any advise, I would 
appreciate it.


Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd think a Sprint PocketPC device would be the way to go, but I haven't 
tried it.



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- Original Message - 
From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 2:06 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!


I'm looking for a way to keep an eye on my network, and to fix some basic 
stuff, while hiking, or on vacation, or what-have-you. Ideally, something 
I could take to a baseball game with me, even.


A laptop computer is far too big for what I've got in mind, as it's likely 
to double as a pass-around pager for whoever's on call this week. Thus, 
I'm probably limited to a Blackberry or maybe a Windows Mobile device like 
the Motorola Q, running on a cell phone network.


Most of our towers are running Valemount's StarOS software, so we need 
something that has an SSH client, and that SSH client needs to support key 
chording (Control-whatever, basically). Most devices like this, a Web 
browser is a given, which should handle the rest of our needs (looking in 
on the network monitoring system, and a couple Ligowave towers). The 
ability to receive (and, maybe, send) emails is important, but that's 
pretty much guaranteed these days too. (Worst case, I whip up some 
email-to-SMS voodoo.)


VNC support would be swell but probably not strictly needed. (Besides, 
it'd take forever to scroll around a 1208x1024 desktop on one of those...)


I can't be the first one here who's looked at getting a Blackberry (or 
something similar) to handle basic network stuff remotely. What works? 
What doesn't? Will I even be sorta-happy with, say, a Blackberry 8700?


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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

2007-08-06 Thread Zack Kneisley
It all really depends on the geographic location of the source. Rural areas
are more costly than Metro, the infrastructure is already there. It sounds
to me that the provider has the facility and bandwidth, I would just compare
quotes similar to that area. some people can get 10Mbit for $1000.00 a month
over Ethernet, others pay $2000 for 6Mbit over Traditional T1's.

On 8/6/07, Jory Privett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am looking to upgrade one of my PoPs with some more bandwidth.   I have
 pricing from a reputable provider to deliver a 10M wireless link with a
 SLA.
 They support BGP, have plenty of bandwidth to supply, and will supply all
 the equipment for the link on a two year ontract.  I am wondering what
 other
 people might be paying for a service like this?

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Re: [WISPA] 2003 Server/Slipstream/SP2/Product Key -Please help

2007-08-06 Thread David E. Smith

Zack Kneisley wrote:

[ snip: a Microsoft horror story ]

Do they even MAKE add-on (PCI) floppy controllers anymore? Sounds like 
that may be your only viable solution.


I thought the Win2003 installer could read from a USB flash stick, 
though it's been a while (and the last time I needed add-on drivers, I 
was working on a machine so old it still had an onboard floppy controller).


Really, the only thing I have to add is good luck.

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Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

2007-08-06 Thread Ron Wallace
Thanks Scriv, I'm looking.

-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 05:10 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

Find the guys in your area who do Dish and Direc TV installs. They will 
do the job for $75 to $100.
Scriv


Ron Wallace wrote:
 To All,

 Again I would lik to use some contract installers. Anyone know any? I spoke 
 with an Indiana WISP last year, but can't find his e-mail.



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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread Mike Hammett
Right, I know some people on the pre-Alltel service down there.  What 
technology does Alltel use?  I'd imagine you could get the HTC Mogul (really 
made by UTStarcom) to work on any CDMA provider.



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- Original Message - 
From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!



Mike Hammett wrote:
I'd think a Sprint PocketPC device would be the way to go, but I haven't 
tried it.


The device would probably work, but Sprint's coverage around here is 
atrocious. (My personal phone is on Sprint, and it doesn't work reliably 
at about half of our tower locations, for instance.)


Based on cell coverage, I'll probably have to go with Alltel or (maybe) 
ATT. I've got more experience with Alltel's phones (that's what basically 
everyone else in the office uses) and know their coverage is pretty good 
in my service area; I'm just concerned about finding a device and software 
that will cover what I need.


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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread David Sovereen
One of my employees has the HTC Mogul.  He's got Sprint (who we left because 
I got tired of dropped calls and the limited coverage).  They had it in 
stores starting last month.  Our company is on Verizon, and Verizon hasn't 
released it yet, so I'm still waiting, but that is definitely going to be my 
next PDA phone.  Runs Windows Mobile 6 and you can do just about anything 
you'd ever want with it.  The rumor on the street is that Verizon will have 
it in stores around November.  I'm particularly excited because Verizon is 
in the process of upgrading the towers in our area to EVDO (my phone keeps 
switching between 1X and EV, so I know its close), so the speed of e-mail 
and web on it should be pretty good.


Dave

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!


Right, I know some people on the pre-Alltel service down there.  What 
technology does Alltel use?  I'd imagine you could get the HTC Mogul 
(really made by UTStarcom) to work on any CDMA provider.



-
Mike Hammett
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http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!



Mike Hammett wrote:
I'd think a Sprint PocketPC device would be the way to go, but I haven't 
tried it.


The device would probably work, but Sprint's coverage around here is 
atrocious. (My personal phone is on Sprint, and it doesn't work reliably 
at about half of our tower locations, for instance.)


Based on cell coverage, I'll probably have to go with Alltel or (maybe) 
ATT. I've got more experience with Alltel's phones (that's what 
basically everyone else in the office uses) and know their coverage is 
pretty good in my service area; I'm just concerned about finding a device 
and software that will cover what I need.


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Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

2007-08-06 Thread Ron Wallace
OK, i went to wispaweb site and could not find this-an electronic version of 
our contractor 
agreement - I know I'm thick, but could someone help me out here.
Ron Wallace
-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 05:43 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Cc: 'Dori Crow'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

Will do. Dori, please send me an electronic version of our contractor 
agreement so I can share it with the WISPA members on our 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] list server. I will forward it once you email it to me 
directly.
Thanks,
Scriv


CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
 Scriv, 
 On the member list, would other members share their contract for contract
 installers please.

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Providing High Speed Broadband 
 to Rural Central California


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of John Scrivner
 Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers


 Find the guys in your area who do Dish and Direc TV installs. They will 
 do the job for $75 to $100.
 Scriv


 Ron Wallace wrote:
 
 To All,

 Again I would lik to use some contract installers. Anyone know any? I 
 spoke with an Indiana WISP last year, but can't find his e-mail.



 Ron Wallace
 Hahnron, Inc. 
 220 S. Jackson Dt. 
 Addison, MI 49220 

 Phone: (517)547-8410
 Mobile: (517)605-4542 
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Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

2007-08-06 Thread Ron Wallace
hey john how Do I access this document, Thanks 
Ron Wallace

-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 05:43 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Cc: 'Dori Crow'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

Will do. Dori, please send me an electronic version of our contractor 
agreement so I can share it with the WISPA members on our 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] list server. I will forward it once you email it to me 
directly.
Thanks,
Scriv


CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
 Scriv, 
 On the member list, would other members share their contract for contract
 installers please.

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Providing High Speed Broadband 
 to Rural Central California


 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of John Scrivner
 Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers


 Find the guys in your area who do Dish and Direc TV installs. They will 
 do the job for $75 to $100.
 Scriv


 Ron Wallace wrote:
 
 To All,

 Again I would lik to use some contract installers. Anyone know any? I 
 spoke with an Indiana WISP last year, but can't find his e-mail.



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 Hahnron, Inc. 
 220 S. Jackson Dt. 
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Re: [WISPA] 2003 Server/Slipstream/SP2/Product Key -Please help

2007-08-06 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Sounds like your using SATA. If so, disable the AHCI in the bios, it
will drop the chipset into compatibility mode. worse case you might
need to drop a small PATA drive (or flash) in and use it to boot from
first.

On 8/6/07, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Zack Kneisley wrote:

 [ snip: a Microsoft horror story ]

 Do they even MAKE add-on (PCI) floppy controllers anymore? Sounds like
 that may be your only viable solution.

 I thought the Win2003 installer could read from a USB flash stick,
 though it's been a while (and the last time I needed add-on drivers, I
 was working on a machine so old it still had an onboard floppy controller).

 Really, the only thing I have to add is good luck.

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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread John Scrivner
I think the Alltel network around us is all GSM based which would mean, 
I would assume, that we could load a SIM card into any unlocked GSM 
device and use it on their network. Any reason why I might be wrong with 
this thinking? Anyone ever load a SIM card from an unlocked device for 
use on their home GSM network (be it Cingular or other)?

Scriv


David E. Smith wrote:

JohnnyO wrote:
I've used my Cingular 8125 to do SSH and Web based management I 
have not looked into what upgrades they have for this but it's been 
nice at times.


What SSH client are you using? (And does the keyboard actually have a 
Ctrl key?)


It's likely I'll still be stuck with a Blackberry because of cell 
coverage, sadly. (Around here, the best coverage by far is Alltel, who 
recently bought out local company First Cellular; ATT/Cingular has, 
by most accounts, pretty iffy coverage. And Alltel is all about the 
Blackberry. Either that or the Moto Q.)


I'll look into that one, though. Thanks for the reassurance that my 
idea isn't totally nuts. :)


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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread Felix A. Lopez
Dave/Mike:  Handango has a bevy of software and
handheld applications.  See weblink below

http://www.handango.com/home.jsp?siteId=1

F.
--- David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mike Hammett wrote:
  I'd think a Sprint PocketPC device would be the
 way to go, but I haven't 
  tried it.
 
 The device would probably work, but Sprint's
 coverage around here is 
 atrocious. (My personal phone is on Sprint, and it
 doesn't work reliably 
 at about half of our tower locations, for instance.)
 
 Based on cell coverage, I'll probably have to go
 with Alltel or (maybe) 
 ATT. I've got more experience with Alltel's phones
 (that's what 
 basically everyone else in the office uses) and know
 their coverage is 
 pretty good in my service area; I'm just concerned
 about finding a 
 device and software that will cover what I need.
 
 David Smith
 MVN.net


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Re: [WISPA] 2003 Server/Slipstream/SP2/Product Key -Please help

2007-08-06 Thread Zack Kneisley
I have plenty of ISA ones -- nowadays your lucky to find a standard PCI
slot. This server board only has 1 PCI slot. I'm not pulling this thing off
the rack-put in a PCI card just to find out that windows doesn't have a
driver for it... I can see it now... the server would end up somewhere other
than the data center

Zack

On 8/6/07, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Zack Kneisley wrote:

 [ snip: a Microsoft horror story ]

 Do they even MAKE add-on (PCI) floppy controllers anymore? Sounds like
 that may be your only viable solution.

 I thought the Win2003 installer could read from a USB flash stick,
 though it's been a while (and the last time I needed add-on drivers, I
 was working on a machine so old it still had an onboard floppy
 controller).

 Really, the only thing I have to add is good luck.

 David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread David Sovereen
Alltell is all CDMA.  They have acquired a couple companies that were GSM, 
but they pretty quickly migrate custoemrs to CDMA handsets and replace the 
equipment at the towers.


Alltel/Verizon/Sprint = CDMA (no SIM cards)
ATT Wireless/Cingular and T-Mobile = GSM (SIM cards)

Dave

- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!


I think the Alltel network around us is all GSM based which would mean, I 
would assume, that we could load a SIM card into any unlocked GSM device 
and use it on their network. Any reason why I might be wrong with this 
thinking? Anyone ever load a SIM card from an unlocked device for use on 
their home GSM network (be it Cingular or other)?

Scriv


David E. Smith wrote:

JohnnyO wrote:
I've used my Cingular 8125 to do SSH and Web based management I have 
not looked into what upgrades they have for this but it's been nice at 
times.


What SSH client are you using? (And does the keyboard actually have a 
Ctrl key?)


It's likely I'll still be stuck with a Blackberry because of cell 
coverage, sadly. (Around here, the best coverage by far is Alltel, who 
recently bought out local company First Cellular; ATT/Cingular has, by 
most accounts, pretty iffy coverage. And Alltel is all about the 
Blackberry. Either that or the Moto Q.)


I'll look into that one, though. Thanks for the reassurance that my idea 
isn't totally nuts. :)


David Smith
MVN.net


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RE: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
HTC 8525  http://www.america.htc.com/products/8525/default.html

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 12:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!


I'm looking for a way to keep an eye on my network, and to fix some 
basic stuff, while hiking, or on vacation, or what-have-you. Ideally, 
something I could take to a baseball game with me, even.

A laptop computer is far too big for what I've got in mind, as it's 
likely to double as a pass-around pager for whoever's on call this 
week. Thus, I'm probably limited to a Blackberry or maybe a Windows 
Mobile device like the Motorola Q, running on a cell phone network.

Most of our towers are running Valemount's StarOS software, so we need 
something that has an SSH client, and that SSH client needs to support 
key chording (Control-whatever, basically). Most devices like this, a 
Web browser is a given, which should handle the rest of our needs 
(looking in on the network monitoring system, and a couple Ligowave 
towers). The ability to receive (and, maybe, send) emails is important, 
but that's pretty much guaranteed these days too. (Worst case, I whip up 
some email-to-SMS voodoo.)

VNC support would be swell but probably not strictly needed. (Besides, 
it'd take forever to scroll around a 1208x1024 desktop on one of those...)

I can't be the first one here who's looked at getting a Blackberry (or 
something similar) to handle basic network stuff remotely. What works? 
What doesn't? Will I even be sorta-happy with, say, a Blackberry 8700?

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] 2003 Server/Slipstream/SP2/Product Key -Please help

2007-08-06 Thread Zack Kneisley
On 8/6/07, Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

 Sounds like your using SATA. If so, disable the AHCI in the bios, it
 will drop the chipset into compatibility mode. worse case you might
 need to drop a small PATA drive (or flash) in and use it to boot from
 first.




Good suggestion, Trying that method, in AHCI mode, every driver I use shows
the raid array that shows 2 separate dives, I then installed the OS on a
single drive (tried with and without the second drive of the array),
Installs go smooth, Accepts the Product Key, every time, on final reboot
says that the widows installation is corrupt, and my only choice is use
recovery console,  (fixmbr etc) fixes and nothing worked.


I am going to work a bit to check out the media-see if a bit of  CD type
codes will work. If not, I'll have to find a backup copy of the Newsgroups
that is R2, then change the keys back after its installed.

Thanks all,
Zack

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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-06 Thread Mike Hammett
My mom and sister have CDMA handsets with SIM cards.  That said, however, 
they're dual mode CDMA\iDEN.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: David Sovereen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!


Alltell is all CDMA.  They have acquired a couple companies that were GSM, 
but they pretty quickly migrate custoemrs to CDMA handsets and replace the 
equipment at the towers.


Alltel/Verizon/Sprint = CDMA (no SIM cards)
ATT Wireless/Cingular and T-Mobile = GSM (SIM cards)

Dave

- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!


I think the Alltel network around us is all GSM based which would mean, I 
would assume, that we could load a SIM card into any unlocked GSM device 
and use it on their network. Any reason why I might be wrong with this 
thinking? Anyone ever load a SIM card from an unlocked device for use on 
their home GSM network (be it Cingular or other)?

Scriv


David E. Smith wrote:

JohnnyO wrote:
I've used my Cingular 8125 to do SSH and Web based management I 
have not looked into what upgrades they have for this but it's been 
nice at times.


What SSH client are you using? (And does the keyboard actually have a 
Ctrl key?)


It's likely I'll still be stuck with a Blackberry because of cell 
coverage, sadly. (Around here, the best coverage by far is Alltel, who 
recently bought out local company First Cellular; ATT/Cingular has, by 
most accounts, pretty iffy coverage. And Alltel is all about the 
Blackberry. Either that or the Moto Q.)


I'll look into that one, though. Thanks for the reassurance that my idea 
isn't totally nuts. :)


David Smith
MVN.net


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RE: [WISPA] Contract Installers

2007-08-06 Thread Rick Harnish
Ron,

Please be patient.  John sent his secretary an email asking her to prepare
the copy.  He is out of touch for the next two days working on some
important projects.  I'm sure he will get it to you as quickly as he can.

Rick Harnish

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ron Wallace
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

hey john how Do I access this document, Thanks 
Ron Wallace

-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 05:43 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Cc: 'Dori Crow'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

Will do. Dori, please send me an electronic version of our contractor 
agreement so I can share it with the WISPA members on our 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] list server. I will forward it once you email it to me 
directly.
Thanks,
Scriv


CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
 Scriv, 
 On the member list, would other members share their contract for
contract
 installers please.

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Providing High Speed Broadband 
 to Rural Central California


 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of John Scrivner
 Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers


 Find the guys in your area who do Dish and Direc TV installs. They will 
 do the job for $75 to $100.
 Scriv


 Ron Wallace wrote:
 
 To All,

 Again I would lik to use some contract installers. Anyone know any? I 
 spoke with an Indiana WISP last year, but can't find his e-mail.



 Ron Wallace
 Hahnron, Inc. 
 220 S. Jackson Dt. 
 Addison, MI 49220 

 Phone: (517)547-8410
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Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

2007-08-06 Thread John Scrivner
I sent it to him already. It is a large enough file that I have no 
intentions of sending it to the list because the bandwidth consumption 
to send it to everyone is a waste. If anyone who is a paid WISPA member 
needs the document then feel free to request it from me directly.

All the best,
Scriv


Rick Harnish wrote:

Ron,

Please be patient.  John sent his secretary an email asking her to prepare
the copy.  He is out of touch for the next two days working on some
important projects.  I'm sure he will get it to you as quickly as he can.

Rick Harnish

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ron Wallace
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

hey john how Do I access this document, Thanks 
Ron Wallace


  

-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 05:43 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Cc: 'Dori Crow'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

Will do. Dori, please send me an electronic version of our contractor 
agreement so I can share it with the WISPA members on our 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] list server. I will forward it once you email it to me 
directly.

Thanks,
Scriv


CHUCK PROFITO wrote:

Scriv, 
On the member list, would other members share their contract for
  

contract
  

installers please.

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers


Find the guys in your area who do Dish and Direc TV installs. They will 
do the job for $75 to $100.

Scriv


Ron Wallace wrote:

  

To All,

Again I would lik to use some contract installers. Anyone know any? I 
spoke with an Indiana WISP last year, but can't find his e-mail.




Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc. 
220 S. Jackson Dt. 
Addison, MI 49220 


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