[WISPA] CCIE Wireless
I see that there might be a CCIE wireless on the horizon http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/06/22/wireless-ccie-unofficialy-announced/ Lemme guess, everyone here is going to go take the beta tests to see what they're made of, right? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet
I can show you towns that have DSL where the RUS gave a local WISP a very nice grant to put in service. The RUS is even loaning companies to compete with RBOCs. - Original Message - From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet > The RUS programs I checked into are for towns with no broadband. The local > Rural Co-op telco has at least a few DSL modems in every town in the > county. > Guess where they got the money for the towns with a "few." Yup, you got > it. > I was also told that the USDA will not loan or grant you money if you are > going to be in direct competition with someone thay have already granted > or > loaned money too, I do not know how much truth there is to this. > > Scott > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:44 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet > > >>The RUS grant program is ideal >> for guys like you. > > Not really. The RUS grant programs were pretty much good for Indian > tribes, > based on the majority winners. > You need close to 100% point award to get one, which means a township less > than 500 people. > With some exception of course. > > But from what I've seen, the RUS Loan program has been wonderful for many > Rural area providers that were already well financed with a good proven > ability to repay, such as a local ILEC. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Chuck McCown - 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:09 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet > > >> You really should get to be govt funded too. The RUS grant program is >> ideal >> for guys like you. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet >> >> >>> My nearest town(and most populated) that I serve has a population of >>> 1600 in TN. And that is a town, not a little subdivision, and the >>> local co-op telco is missing some of that providing the service >>> beyond dialup along with us. I will mark my calender, and bet you (if >>> the FCC does not change their ways with giving the rural co-ops >>> everything they ask for, and I have already been in this discussion >>> with Chuck, we never had even ISDN until 2003 or so) that you have >>> FIOS probably 5 years before we do. Just because, they give the more >>> populated "rural areas" the money b4 they do the less populated. Hum, >>> does that follow their strategy? Not wanting to start a war >>> herewe cover the places the gov't funded co-ops, do NOT. Where is >>> OUR money for the area's we cover that the co-op does not? Not >>> wanting a politcal war here eitherjust thinking the current >>> "State of War" is far sided from the FCC point of view that the >>> already regulated telcos and cable co's are more than enough >>> competition. They very seldom consider WISP as competition and I >>> invite anyone to provide evidence that they REALLY do! >>> >>> Scott >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: Bryan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Reply-To: WISPA General List >>> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:37:46 -0600 >>> On Jun 20, 2008, at 8:23 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: > I am probably way more rural than Tom DeReggi on this, and I could > not agree with him more plus add to it as far as the so called > gov't push to get broadband to the "real rural markets." I think > their "push" is more of a "ghost" as far as the FCC has ruled in > the last 6 to 8 years. Just IMHO. There are some farmers along the Utah/Nevada border that are going to have fiber to the home before I ever will... -- Bryan - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - > --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >>> >>> Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. >>> Check out www.info-ed.com for information. >>> >>> >>> - >>> --- >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> > > >>> >>> W
Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet
The RUS programs I checked into are for towns with no broadband. The local Rural Co-op telco has at least a few DSL modems in every town in the county. Guess where they got the money for the towns with a "few." Yup, you got it. I was also told that the USDA will not loan or grant you money if you are going to be in direct competition with someone thay have already granted or loaned money too, I do not know how much truth there is to this. Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet >The RUS grant program is ideal > for guys like you. Not really. The RUS grant programs were pretty much good for Indian tribes, based on the majority winners. You need close to 100% point award to get one, which means a township less than 500 people. With some exception of course. But from what I've seen, the RUS Loan program has been wonderful for many Rural area providers that were already well financed with a good proven ability to repay, such as a local ILEC. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet > You really should get to be govt funded too. The RUS grant program is > ideal > for guys like you. > > - Original Message - > From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:06 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet > > >> My nearest town(and most populated) that I serve has a population of >> 1600 in TN. And that is a town, not a little subdivision, and the >> local co-op telco is missing some of that providing the service >> beyond dialup along with us. I will mark my calender, and bet you (if >> the FCC does not change their ways with giving the rural co-ops >> everything they ask for, and I have already been in this discussion >> with Chuck, we never had even ISDN until 2003 or so) that you have >> FIOS probably 5 years before we do. Just because, they give the more >> populated "rural areas" the money b4 they do the less populated. Hum, >> does that follow their strategy? Not wanting to start a war >> herewe cover the places the gov't funded co-ops, do NOT. Where is >> OUR money for the area's we cover that the co-op does not? Not >> wanting a politcal war here eitherjust thinking the current >> "State of War" is far sided from the FCC point of view that the >> already regulated telcos and cable co's are more than enough >> competition. They very seldom consider WISP as competition and I >> invite anyone to provide evidence that they REALLY do! >> >> Scott >> -- Original Message -- >> From: Bryan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: WISPA General List >> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:37:46 -0600 >> >>> >>>On Jun 20, 2008, at 8:23 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: >>> I am probably way more rural than Tom DeReggi on this, and I could not agree with him more plus add to it as far as the so called gov't push to get broadband to the "real rural markets." I think their "push" is more of a "ghost" as far as the FCC has ruled in the last 6 to 8 years. Just IMHO. >>> >>>There are some farmers along the Utah/Nevada border that are going to >>>have fiber to the home before I ever will... >>> >>>-- Bryan >>> >>> >>> >>>- >>>--- >>>WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>- --- >>> >>>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>--- >>>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >>> >>> >> >> Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. >> Check out www.info-ed.com for information. >> >> >> - >> --- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http
Re: [WISPA] CPE recommendations?
Rogelio Just as an FYI we have had customers install our 630mW indoor AP (119.95) and get better performance over the MetroFlex unit. https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwr/rwr-hpg-i.htm Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 4:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] CPE recommendations? I have several apartment complexes with very spotty coverage, and I was wondering what type of CPE that people would recommend. I've been looking at the Ruckus units, particularly the MetroxFlex http://www.ruckuswireless.com/products/metroflex/ Anyone else have any experience with these devices? I'm looking for something to limp everyone along until everyone is willing to make a significant CAPEX expenditure on a better wireless infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] current market
Tom, Very well said. Talking about "WISPs" as if they were a commodity with one predefined multiple is very presumptuous. While there may be some speculators that are willing to purchase WISPs on a preset multiple, it's much more likely that a WISP will be dealing with a learned investor who wants to see a return based on performance. Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] current market Travis, You are asking a flawed question. From what I've learned over the years, buyers don't buy "WISPs", they buy guaranteed mechanisms for either "proven revenue streams" and/or "potential expansion of revenue streams", and/or ability to sustain such revenues. A seller obviously wants to prove the second, to maximize their sale price. I have seen all to often, where a WISP can't successfully sell their WISP, and it ends up getting shut down, or sold for less than the liquidation value of the hardware installed, as little as 10% of the equipemnt's new purchase cost. And I've seen a few cases where offers have come in to WISPs, as high as 6X annual revenues. The golden questions to ask are Is the business sellable? Is it maintainable by a third party, as is? Is it self sustaining already, from a profitabilty point, if it were taken over? The sell price of a business is not aways based on its value to the buyer, but also by the cost to operate (burn rate) of the original owner, and their desperateness to get out of the business. To answer your question, you have to first define specifics about the situation, and wether the seller is in the position to get a fair offer. If one assumes both the buyer's and seller's company are equal, and successful businesses, then one can make a generalized starting point for market sell cost. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] current market > Hi, > > I know there is no exact number for the buy/sell of a WISP... however, > there is usually a starting point... and it seems to fluctuate as the > market changes. So, what is the current starting point for the purchase > of a small WISP? 6x monthly revenue? 9x? 12x? > > thanks, > > Travis > Microserv > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] wireless resources in NorCal fires / TCP over ham freq
A friend and associate of mine is extremely close to several northern CA fires. http://tinyurl.com/5vp933 http://tinyurl.com/3mk4ah http://tinyurl.com/4jm67 I'm wondering if there is anyone else here on the list that is affected, and if so, what wireless / networking resources you are using to stay informed. Once things die down (he was evacuated last week, got back in his house, and may soon be evacuated again), he and I are planning on looking into several public safety tools out there, particularly how to push TCP over ham radio frequencies. Any suggestions or links to network / wireless resources (particularly fire ones in that area) would be greatly appreciated. I just sent him my Boingo acct info so that he might have something to check his account with while on the road. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] testing mesh for cameras and VoIP
Tom DeReggi wrote: > I don't have the answer exactly, but I know some use Smoke Ping to > monitor for voip quality, due to its ability to record latency and > packetloss. I use Smokeping also (but prefer Cacti's ping latency tool better). The "problem" is that this only measures ICMP latency. Something like iperf would actually *blast* the type of traffic at some other node on the network and better approximate the load capacity. While Smokeping latency reports are a good correlation, they only show what the network looks like "now". I'm looking for something that will take a more active approach and give me a better picture of what takes a dive during load. With iperf, I can > the output to a file, which I can tuck away as "proof" that I was somewhat on target with my design. In the past, I've used Smartbit. Others, I know, use Ixia. I'm hoping for a quick command line tool that lets me not have to rent, buy, borrow special hardware. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] testing mesh for cameras and VoIP
I don't have the answer exactly, but I know some use Smoke Ping to monitor for voip quality, due to its ability to record latency and packetloss. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Rogelio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: [WISPA] testing mesh for cameras and VoIP > I'm looking for ways to test out a mesh for two things -- (a) camera > streams, and (b) VoIP quality. > > Thus far, I'm using iperf. For (a), I'm hoping something like this on > my laptop (to another laptop) will do: > > iperf -c (other laptop IP) -P (number of cameras) -b (Mbps of camera > stream on that link) > > For (b), I don't think that iperf can measure jitter of TCP, only UDP > with the -u option. Anyone have any suggestions on what to do for that? > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] current market
Travis, You are asking a flawed question. From what I've learned over the years, buyers don't buy "WISPs", they buy guaranteed mechanisms for either "proven revenue streams" and/or "potential expansion of revenue streams", and/or ability to sustain such revenues. A seller obviously wants to prove the second, to maximize their sale price. I have seen all to often, where a WISP can't successfully sell their WISP, and it ends up getting shut down, or sold for less than the liquidation value of the hardware installed, as little as 10% of the equipemnt's new purchase cost. And I've seen a few cases where offers have come in to WISPs, as high as 6X annual revenues. The golden questions to ask are Is the business sellable? Is it maintainable by a third party, as is? Is it self sustaining already, from a profitabilty point, if it were taken over? The sell price of a business is not aways based on its value to the buyer, but also by the cost to operate (burn rate) of the original owner, and their desperateness to get out of the business. To answer your question, you have to first define specifics about the situation, and wether the seller is in the position to get a fair offer. If one assumes both the buyer's and seller's company are equal, and successful businesses, then one can make a generalized starting point for market sell cost. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] current market > Hi, > > I know there is no exact number for the buy/sell of a WISP... however, > there is usually a starting point... and it seems to fluctuate as the > market changes. So, what is the current starting point for the purchase > of a small WISP? 6x monthly revenue? 9x? 12x? > > thanks, > > Travis > Microserv > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet
I have grant projects in the area I serve and they were handing out money to almost anyone that applied with practically zero oversight. This is in areas from 30 customers to one area serving close to a million customers. - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet > >The RUS grant program is ideal >> for guys like you. > > Not really. The RUS grant programs were pretty much good for Indian > tribes, > based on the majority winners. > You need close to 100% point award to get one, which means a township less > than 500 people. > With some exception of course. > > But from what I've seen, the RUS Loan program has been wonderful for many > Rural area providers that were already well financed with a good proven > ability to repay, such as a local ILEC. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Chuck McCown - 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:09 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet > > >> You really should get to be govt funded too. The RUS grant program is >> ideal >> for guys like you. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet >> >> >>> My nearest town(and most populated) that I serve has a population of >>> 1600 >>> in TN. And that is a town, not a little subdivision, and the local co-op >>> telco is missing some of that providing the service beyond dialup along >>> with us. I will mark my calender, and bet you (if the FCC does not >>> change >>> their ways with giving the rural co-ops everything they ask for, and I >>> have already been in this discussion with Chuck, we never had even ISDN >>> until 2003 or so) that you have FIOS probably 5 years before we do. Just >>> because, they give the more populated "rural areas" the money b4 they do >>> the less populated. Hum, does that follow their strategy? >>> Not wanting to start a war herewe cover the places the gov't funded >>> co-ops, do NOT. Where is OUR money for the area's we cover that the >>> co-op >>> does not? Not wanting a politcal war here eitherjust thinking the >>> current "State of War" is far sided from the FCC point of view that the >>> already regulated telcos and cable co's are more than enough >>> competition. >>> They very seldom consider WISP as competition and I invite anyone to >>> provide evidence that they REALLY do! >>> >>> Scott >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: Bryan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Reply-To: WISPA General List >>> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:37:46 -0600 >>> On Jun 20, 2008, at 8:23 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: > I am probably way more rural than Tom DeReggi on this, and I could > not agree with him more plus add to it as far as the so called gov't > push to get broadband to the "real rural markets." I think their > "push" is more of a "ghost" as far as the FCC has ruled in the last > 6 to 8 years. Just IMHO. There are some farmers along the Utah/Nevada border that are going to have fiber to the home before I ever will... -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >>> >>> Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. >>> Check out www.info-ed.com for information. >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > >
Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet
>The RUS grant program is ideal > for guys like you. Not really. The RUS grant programs were pretty much good for Indian tribes, based on the majority winners. You need close to 100% point award to get one, which means a township less than 500 people. With some exception of course. But from what I've seen, the RUS Loan program has been wonderful for many Rural area providers that were already well financed with a good proven ability to repay, such as a local ILEC. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet > You really should get to be govt funded too. The RUS grant program is > ideal > for guys like you. > > - Original Message - > From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:06 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet > > >> My nearest town(and most populated) that I serve has a population of 1600 >> in TN. And that is a town, not a little subdivision, and the local co-op >> telco is missing some of that providing the service beyond dialup along >> with us. I will mark my calender, and bet you (if the FCC does not change >> their ways with giving the rural co-ops everything they ask for, and I >> have already been in this discussion with Chuck, we never had even ISDN >> until 2003 or so) that you have FIOS probably 5 years before we do. Just >> because, they give the more populated "rural areas" the money b4 they do >> the less populated. Hum, does that follow their strategy? >> Not wanting to start a war herewe cover the places the gov't funded >> co-ops, do NOT. Where is OUR money for the area's we cover that the co-op >> does not? Not wanting a politcal war here eitherjust thinking the >> current "State of War" is far sided from the FCC point of view that the >> already regulated telcos and cable co's are more than enough competition. >> They very seldom consider WISP as competition and I invite anyone to >> provide evidence that they REALLY do! >> >> Scott >> -- Original Message -- >> From: Bryan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: WISPA General List >> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:37:46 -0600 >> >>> >>>On Jun 20, 2008, at 8:23 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: >>> I am probably way more rural than Tom DeReggi on this, and I could not agree with him more plus add to it as far as the so called gov't push to get broadband to the "real rural markets." I think their "push" is more of a "ghost" as far as the FCC has ruled in the last 6 to 8 years. Just IMHO. >>> >>>There are some farmers along the Utah/Nevada border that are going to >>>have fiber to the home before I ever will... >>> >>>-- Bryan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>--- >>>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >>> >>> >> >> Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. >> Check out www.info-ed.com for information. >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet
The problem I have with politics and broadband is its to easy for the Government to be scammed on the deal. Politics is often about giving something up, in exchange for something more valuable in return (from that user's perspective), or that can be spun to be of more value. Even if some get squashed in the name of the greater good. The problem is that it is clear what is being given up, but it is not always clear what is getting received in return. The reason being, the legislators are not always educated well enough on the technical details to understand what is viably possible to execute. a perfect example is http://rcrnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080620/FREE/842439156/1007 Where the cause may be noble, the intent to increase free broadband to consumers, but where in actuality, the plan would result in the opposite and actually harm wireless providers, and reduce consumer's broadband choice, and strengthen the chance that the internet will be controlled by a few. In the above case, suggesting a nationwide license in 2155, auctioning off to the highest bidder that gives 25% of the spectrum to free broadband, and must make available to 95% of american within 10 years. The Hope- Trading free boardband to more consumers (the greater good), in exchange for giving up competition. The obvious reasons this is bad... 1) Auctioning on an exclusive national level, will guarantee small providers won't ever have any spectrum licenses. (giving up something) 2) Requiring 95% build out, will guarantee a small provider will never be able to fund it. (giving up something) 3) Requiring 95% coverage, something that will never be technically possible, and something that will never be able to be enforced, as enforcing it would result in harming those that were served. (The scam) 4) Requiring 95% tile and 25% to free subscribers, again something that won't fly, as there is no motive to support the free subscribers adequately, after all is said and done, and the FCC would never get away with aking the spectrum back after the fact, resulting in shutting down the 75% that were served, at least not for a very long transition period. (the scam) 5) By creating a system that requires FREE broadband to 95% of America, now creates competition for the small wireless provider that is already struggling to serve markets that are barely financially viable to serve based on their rurality. I wouldn't be surprised if the winners would only supply the free broadband to locations where their are other known WISP competition. Its just another example of a plan, where a legislator has no problem giving away the public's spectrum, asking for broadband to be controlled by a few, and make it more difficult for small competior providers, instead of getting the 7000 existing ISPs, more usable spectrum to share. This is why the "end of the Internet" discussion is so important. Every time we blink an eye, someone is trying to hijack it, and give another mechanism of accessing it to a single entity. I bet if you asked any existing WISP, we'd probably all agree to give 25% of the services for Free, if we were given an exclusive licensed band for PtMP technology. Giving a percentage of free services is not the problem. The problem is who legislators thinks should be given an opportunity to do the giving. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet > My nearest town(and most populated) that I serve has a population of 1600 > in TN. And that is a town, not a little subdivision, and the local co-op > telco is missing some of that providing the service beyond dialup along > with us. I will mark my calender, and bet you (if the FCC does not change > their ways with giving the rural co-ops everything they ask for, and I > have already been in this discussion with Chuck, we never had even ISDN > until 2003 or so) that you have FIOS probably 5 years before we do. Just > because, they give the more populated "rural areas" the money b4 they do > the less populated. Hum, does that follow their strategy? > Not wanting to start a war herewe cover the places the gov't funded > co-ops, do NOT. Where is OUR money for the area's we cover that the co-op > does not? Not wanting a politcal war here eitherjust thinking the > current "State of War" is far sided from the FCC point of view that the > already regulated telcos and cable co's are more than enough competition. > They very seldom consider WISP as competition and I invite anyone to > provide evidence that they REALLY do! > > Scott > -- Original Message -- > From: Bryan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:37:46 -0600 > >> >
[WISPA] The 2008 WISPA Board of Directors Election
(I apologize to those of you who will receive several copies of this email.) The 2008 WISPA Board election will open in about two hours, at noon Eastern time (9am Pacific). I've just sent out ballots to the email address of record for every Vendor Member, Principal Member, and Associate Member. If you believe you should have received a ballot paper but haven't done so, please contact me (off-list) immediately, so I can investigate the matter. David Smith MVN.net smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
