Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures

2008-08-10 Thread Blair Davis
Except for the flat, nearly treeless terrain, it looks like one of my 
setups

Even looks like the same grain leg!

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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

2008-08-10 Thread John McDowell
I meant...we haven't used vox fax at the office yet...but some customers
have tried.

On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 9:37 PM, John McDowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We haven't tried the fax on Vox yet. It has had some problems on our
> network for customers, but not sure if that's not just wireless...
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Joe Fiero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I had Vonage for 4 years and Fax was more miss than hit.   During testing,
>> and now that we pored the office lines to VoX, it's been 100% hit.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:23 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>
>> Fax machines don't run over VoIP either.  They just don't, T.38 doesn't
>> really work.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>
>>
>> > Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
>> > Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People like
>> > their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
>> > Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the
>> > basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain
>> > cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of reasons.
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "WISPA General List" 
>> > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>> >
>> >
>> >> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
>> >> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
>> >> Netsapians.
>> >> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I
>> >> think
>> >> I
>> >> can sell.
>> >>
>> >> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.
>>  That
>> >> is
>> >> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form
>> >> from
>> >> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines
>> >>
>> >> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price
>> >> wars
>> >> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST
>> services
>> >> on
>> >> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
>> >> transport.
>> >> marlon
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General
>> >> List"
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>> >> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
>> >> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
>> >>> launches?
>> >>>
>> >>> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you
>> billing?
>> >>>
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>> >>> John M. McDowell
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

2008-08-10 Thread John McDowell
We haven't tried the fax on Vox yet. It has had some problems on our network
for customers, but not sure if that's not just wireless...

On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Joe Fiero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I had Vonage for 4 years and Fax was more miss than hit.   During testing,
> and now that we pored the office lines to VoX, it's been 100% hit.
>
> Joe
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:23 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
> Fax machines don't run over VoIP either.  They just don't, T.38 doesn't
> really work.
>
>
> --
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
>
> > Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
> > Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People like
> > their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
> > Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the
> > basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain
> > cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of reasons.
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
> >
> >
> >> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
> >> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
> >> Netsapians.
> >> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I
> >> think
> >> I
> >> can sell.
> >>
> >> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.  That
> >> is
> >> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form
> >> from
> >> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines
> >>
> >> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price
> >> wars
> >> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST
> services
> >> on
> >> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
> >> transport.
> >> marlon
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General
> >> List"
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> >> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
> >> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
> >>
> >>
> >>> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
> >>> launches?
> >>>
> >>> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you
> billing?
> >>>
> >>> --
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

2008-08-10 Thread Joe Fiero
I had Vonage for 4 years and Fax was more miss than hit.   During testing,
and now that we pored the office lines to VoX, it's been 100% hit.  

Joe


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

Fax machines don't run over VoIP either.  They just don't, T.38 doesn't 
really work.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
> Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People like
> their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
> Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the
> basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain
> cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of reasons.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
>
>> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
>> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
>> Netsapians.
>> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I 
>> think
>> I
>> can sell.
>>
>> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.  That
>> is
>> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form
>> from
>> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines
>>
>> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price 
>> wars
>> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services
>> on
>> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
>> transport.
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General
>> List"
>> ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>
>>
>>> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
>>> launches?
>>>
>>> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> John M. McDowell
>>> Boonlink Communications
>>> 307 Grand Ave NW
>>> Fort Payne, AL 35967
>>> 256.844.9932
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> www.boonlink.com
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

2008-08-10 Thread John McDowell
Marlon,
How has your Netsapiens deployment going? are you starting with the hosted
platform?

On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians.
> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think
> I
> can sell.
>
> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.  That is
> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form
> from
> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines
>
> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price wars
> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services
> on
> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
> transport.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General
> List"
> ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
>
> > Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
> > launches?
> >
> > Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing?
> >
> > --
> > John M. McDowell
> > Boonlink Communications
> > 307 Grand Ave NW
> > Fort Payne, AL 35967
> > 256.844.9932
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > www.boonlink.com
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

2008-08-10 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Ours does.  G.711 makes 'em happy.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> Fax machines don't run over VoIP either.  They just don't, T.38 doesn't
> really work.
>
>
> --
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
>
>> Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
>> Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People like
>> their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
>> Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the
>> basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain
>> cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of reasons.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>
>>
>>> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
>>> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
>>> Netsapians.
>>> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I
>>> think
>>> I
>>> can sell.
>>>
>>> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.  That
>>> is
>>> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form
>>> from
>>> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines
>>>
>>> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price
>>> wars
>>> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST 
>>> services
>>> on
>>> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
>>> transport.
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General
>>> List"
>>> ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>>
>>>
 Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
 launches?

 Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you 
 billing?

 -- 
 John M. McDowell
 Boonlink Communications
 307 Grand Ave NW
 Fort Payne, AL 35967
 256.844.9932
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.boonlink.com






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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

2008-08-10 Thread reader
I'll have to look around and see if I can find it.






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> Um. Where do you get the 1k figure from?
>
>
> I have seen articles mentioning a price point around 100.00.
>
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

2008-08-10 Thread Mike Hammett
You can do a lot with VoIP.  If someone calls my office extension, my office 
phone and cell phone ring, goes to office voicemail.  If someone calls my 
cell phone directly, it goes to office voicemail.  I get text messages of 
all voicemails and can call in to check.


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Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> There are farmers around here without a landline.   They are 100% cellular
> now.   They even have spare lines for the temp guys that show up for
> harvest/picking, etc.
>
> I am presently only cellular and I chose that knowing that i do not have
> 100% coverage, but that was better than the customer getting 95% voicemail
> and me getting my messages only when I happen by the shop.
>
> "unified" would be great, but until we can get the cell carriers to
> cooperate with voip or landline, so we can have single numbers ringing in
> multiple locations, it won't happen.
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Joe Fiero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
>
>> Agreed
>>
>> Convergence, or unified communications, will be the answer.  Our Internet
>> services will be the backbone for the future where people carry a unified
>> device that provides both cellular and IP telephony.  These hybrids
>> already
>> exist and the use of femtocells will accelerate their adoption.
>>
>> This puts the WISP clearly in the path of reselling cellular service that
>> gives the user access to a reliable nationwide network when on the road 
>> as
>> well as reliable indoor service at their home and office through our
>> broadband offerings.
>>
>> While young mobile singles and couples may survive on cellular only, it
>> becomes a whole different story for families, businesses and farms.  They
>> can't run the farm if pop takes the cell phone with him to town.  Need to
>> have broadband to access all the goodies from the USDA and other farming
>> sources and VoIP is a natural, providing a dedicated phone with great
>> features and low cost.  Best of all they can now use their cell phones as
>> extensions of the home or office phone.
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3
>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 10:30 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>
>> Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
>> Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People like
>> their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
>> Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the
>> basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain
>> cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of reasons.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>
>>
>>> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
>>> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
>>> Netsapians.
>>> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I
>>> think
>>
>>> I
>>> can sell.
>>>
>>> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.  That
>>> is
>>> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form
>>> from
>>> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines
>>>
>>> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price
>>> wars
>>> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST 
>>> services
>>> on
>>> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
>>> transport.
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General
>>> List"
>>> ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>>
>>>
 Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
 launches?

 Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you 
 billing?

 -- 
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 Boonlink Communications
 307 Grand Ave NW
 Fort Payne, AL 35967
 256.844.9932
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

2008-08-10 Thread Mike Hammett
Fax machines don't run over VoIP either.  They just don't, T.38 doesn't 
really work.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
> Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People like
> their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
> Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the
> basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain
> cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of reasons.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
>
>> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
>> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
>> Netsapians.
>> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I 
>> think
>> I
>> can sell.
>>
>> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.  That
>> is
>> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form
>> from
>> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines
>>
>> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price 
>> wars
>> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services
>> on
>> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
>> transport.
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General
>> List"
>> ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>
>>
>>> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
>>> launches?
>>>
>>> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> John M. McDowell
>>> Boonlink Communications
>>> 307 Grand Ave NW
>>> Fort Payne, AL 35967
>>> 256.844.9932
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> www.boonlink.com
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[WISPA] ISPbrain.com

2008-08-10 Thread John McDowell
Anyone heard of them? used them?

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Fort Payne, AL 35967
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

2008-08-10 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
I have VoIP service at home with Lingo.  It's about $20 a month unlimited
including all of Austral-Asia and Europe.  I ported my home AT&T landline
number to it.

The nice feature they provide is "simultaneous ring" where you can put any
other numbers in the list (via a Web GUI to their server) and they will
all ring when the primary number rings, cell phones included and, in fact,
any number anywhere in the world their service plan says is free.  Then,
the first to pick up answers the call.

. . . j o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

There are farmers around here without a landline.   They are 100% cellular

now.   They even have spare lines for the temp guys that show up for 
harvest/picking, etc.

I am presently only cellular and I chose that knowing that i do not have 
100% coverage, but that was better than the customer getting 95% voicemail

and me getting my messages only when I happen by the shop.

"unified" would be great, but until we can get the cell carriers to 
cooperate with voip or landline, so we can have single numbers ringing in 
multiple locations, it won't happen.







- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Fiero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> Agreed
>
> Convergence, or unified communications, will be the answer.  Our
Internet
> services will be the backbone for the future where people carry a
unified
> device that provides both cellular and IP telephony.  These hybrids 
> already
> exist and the use of femtocells will accelerate their adoption.
>
> This puts the WISP clearly in the path of reselling cellular service
that
> gives the user access to a reliable nationwide network when on the road
as
> well as reliable indoor service at their home and office through our
> broadband offerings.
>
> While young mobile singles and couples may survive on cellular only, it
> becomes a whole different story for families, businesses and farms.
They
> can't run the farm if pop takes the cell phone with him to town.  Need
to
> have broadband to access all the goodies from the USDA and other farming
> sources and VoIP is a natural, providing a dedicated phone with great
> features and low cost.  Best of all they can now use their cell phones
as
> extensions of the home or office phone.
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 10:30 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
> Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
> Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People like
> their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
> Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the
> basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain
> cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of reasons.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
>
>> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
>> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
>> Netsapians.
>> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I 
>> think
>
>> I
>> can sell.
>>
>> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.
That
>> is
>> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form
>> from
>> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines
>>
>> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price 
>> wars
>> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST
services
>> on
>> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
>> transport.
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General
>> List"
>> ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>
>>
>>> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
>>> launches?
>>>
>>> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you
billing?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> John M. McDowell
>>> Boonlink Communications
>>> 307 Grand Ave NW
>>> Fort Payne, AL 35967
>>> 256.844.9932
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> www.boonlink.com
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

2008-08-10 Thread charles
Um. Where do you get the 1k figure from?


I have seen articles mentioning a price point around 100.00. 

Charles


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Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures

2008-08-10 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I don't use silicone on anything, the enclosures have a bead of dielectric
grease on the door  seals to help keep rust from forming where the gasket
meets the metal.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 1:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures

THought was a surge suppressor. Nice install.

Are you using silicone to seal besides the tape? We used silicone in our 
amateur stuff iat our  FLorida repeater location and also at my house 
when I lived down there. Works good.

Leon

PS: The battery is there are a failover, I'm assuming you have AC power 
there?

* Kurt Fankhauser wrote, On 8/10/2008 1:23 PM:
> That's not a barrel connector it is a PolyPhaser surge surpressor. I've
> never had an issue with water getting in a connector in 4 years of sealing
> this way. We must have pretty mild weather or something. I do try to get
the
> tape all the way up to the antenna though but sometimes its tight and the
> roll of tape won't make it but it turns out alright every time.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:30 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures
>
> Hi,
>
> Looks very nice... I did notice a couple things that we have seen in our 
> environment that may or may not be an issue. The first is the 
> weatherproof on the LMR jumper cables. We have found that we have to 
> seal all the way up against the plastic case on the antenna, otherwise 
> water will eventually penetrate into the seal. The other thing is using 
> an RJ45 barrel connector inside your outdoor box. We've had many of them 
> fail after a year or two (in our environment, it's probably due to the 
> large temperature swings in summer vs. winter. We see -30F in the winter 
> and up to 105F in the summer).
>
> Just some thoughts... take it for what it's worth... ;)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>   
>> Hey guys I just got some pictures uploaded of one of my AP sites if you
>> 
> want
>   
>> to check it out. Hopefully someone starting out can benefit from it as
>> 
> this
>   
>> is 4 years of knowledge from being on the lists here and picking up on
>> better ways of how to do installs. Got any questions just ask. I'd
>> appreciate some comments as well. :)
>>
>>  
>>
>> http://www.wavelinc.com/towers/DSGE_Tower/
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Transportable/Mobile 3650mhz band Base Stations

2008-08-10 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE
Mobile type ops in 3650 probably is not going to happen IMHO - a big can 
of worms the FCC opened up. But in an emergency, then there's always the 
capability of getting an STA.

Leon

* Stuart Browne wrote, On 8/10/2008 1:28 PM:
> The "transportable 3650 base station" idea is akin to a transportable
> satellite terminal. FCC requires that the satcom terminal be licensed
> but permits uplinking from ad hoc sites "without registration".
> Imagine needing to relocate a base station after a tornedo wipes out
> the base station and tower...
>
> On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 9:42 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> It focuses on the base station because that is where authorization for the 
>> client to transmit happens.
>>
>> Its up to the base station to track where the client station is dynamically.
>>
>> I mean mobility is why we are in the wireless business isn't it? If client 
>> stations couldn't move around then it would be kind of pointless.
>>
>> Charles
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:45:20
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Transportable/Mobile 3650mhz band Base Stations
>>
>>
>> I see no reason why they would not.   The question is not if you can move
>> the building or structure or whatever it is mounted to, but whether or not
>> you properly update your location registration(s).One thing I find odd,
>> is that the process ignores the "client" and focuses on the base station.
>>
>> Having been through that process - I'm still in it, the first app was
>> rejected and had to be amended, it's a bit of a pain, and the FCC is NOT
>> fast in responding.   Well, fast to me is overnight, fast to them is a week
>> or so.   It actually looks like I'll have the first licensed and registered
>> site in OR and WA state.
>>
>> They're very adamant about warning you not to put equipment online until the
>> site registration is done.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Stuart Browne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:04 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Transportable/Mobile 3650mhz band Base Stations
>>
>>
>> 
>>> I'm interested in if the FCC permits the use of transportable 3650 mhz
>>> band base stations.
>>>
>>> Stu Browne
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

2008-08-10 Thread reader
The power output from those femtocells is so small, it more closely 
resembles bluetooth.

It covers an area under 100 feet by 100 feet in open air, I read.

I dont' think that's going to cause high levels of interference.Besides, 
they're all supposed to be indoors, as well.

And at a 1K a pop or more, you're not going to just toss them up all over 
creation, if you really don't need them.






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Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:42 AM
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> If that is the case, why is the cellular industry making such a push for 
> FEM
> to Cell products. Those are basically just a micro cellular transmitter 
> for
> your home/office that then acts as a VOIP gateway back to their network
> without loading up their cells sites...
>
> I think this will backfire on them though. As the WISP industry already
> knows, as soon as you put transmitters in the hands of consumers, the 
> noise
> levels go way up. In most of their networks they can not afford a serious
> increase in noise floor and I predict that is exactly what will happen, 
> that
> is unless they get smart and make the phones and FEM devices use the DECT
> 6.0 frequencies...
>
>
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:49 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
>
> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) 
> Netsapians.
> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think 
> I
> can sell.
>
> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.  That 
> is
> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form 
> from
> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines
>
> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price wars
> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services 
> on
> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
> transport.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
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> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General 
> List"
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> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
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>> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
>> launches?
>>
>> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing?
>>
>> --
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>> Boonlink Communications
>> 307 Grand Ave NW
>> Fort Payne, AL 35967
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Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures

2008-08-10 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE
THought was a surge suppressor. Nice install.

Are you using silicone to seal besides the tape? We used silicone in our 
amateur stuff iat our  FLorida repeater location and also at my house 
when I lived down there. Works good.

Leon

PS: The battery is there are a failover, I'm assuming you have AC power 
there?

* Kurt Fankhauser wrote, On 8/10/2008 1:23 PM:
> That's not a barrel connector it is a PolyPhaser surge surpressor. I've
> never had an issue with water getting in a connector in 4 years of sealing
> this way. We must have pretty mild weather or something. I do try to get the
> tape all the way up to the antenna though but sometimes its tight and the
> roll of tape won't make it but it turns out alright every time.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:30 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures
>
> Hi,
>
> Looks very nice... I did notice a couple things that we have seen in our 
> environment that may or may not be an issue. The first is the 
> weatherproof on the LMR jumper cables. We have found that we have to 
> seal all the way up against the plastic case on the antenna, otherwise 
> water will eventually penetrate into the seal. The other thing is using 
> an RJ45 barrel connector inside your outdoor box. We've had many of them 
> fail after a year or two (in our environment, it's probably due to the 
> large temperature swings in summer vs. winter. We see -30F in the winter 
> and up to 105F in the summer).
>
> Just some thoughts... take it for what it's worth... ;)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>   
>> Hey guys I just got some pictures uploaded of one of my AP sites if you
>> 
> want
>   
>> to check it out. Hopefully someone starting out can benefit from it as
>> 
> this
>   
>> is 4 years of knowledge from being on the lists here and picking up on
>> better ways of how to do installs. Got any questions just ask. I'd
>> appreciate some comments as well. :)
>>
>>  
>>
>> http://www.wavelinc.com/towers/DSGE_Tower/
>>
>>  
>>
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

2008-08-10 Thread reader
There are farmers around here without a landline.   They are 100% cellular 
now.   They even have spare lines for the temp guys that show up for 
harvest/picking, etc.

I am presently only cellular and I chose that knowing that i do not have 
100% coverage, but that was better than the customer getting 95% voicemail 
and me getting my messages only when I happen by the shop.

"unified" would be great, but until we can get the cell carriers to 
cooperate with voip or landline, so we can have single numbers ringing in 
multiple locations, it won't happen.







- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Fiero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> Agreed
>
> Convergence, or unified communications, will be the answer.  Our Internet
> services will be the backbone for the future where people carry a unified
> device that provides both cellular and IP telephony.  These hybrids 
> already
> exist and the use of femtocells will accelerate their adoption.
>
> This puts the WISP clearly in the path of reselling cellular service that
> gives the user access to a reliable nationwide network when on the road as
> well as reliable indoor service at their home and office through our
> broadband offerings.
>
> While young mobile singles and couples may survive on cellular only, it
> becomes a whole different story for families, businesses and farms.  They
> can't run the farm if pop takes the cell phone with him to town.  Need to
> have broadband to access all the goodies from the USDA and other farming
> sources and VoIP is a natural, providing a dedicated phone with great
> features and low cost.  Best of all they can now use their cell phones as
> extensions of the home or office phone.
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 10:30 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
> Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
> Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People like
> their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
> Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the
> basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain
> cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of reasons.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
>
>> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
>> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
>> Netsapians.
>> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I 
>> think
>
>> I
>> can sell.
>>
>> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.  That
>> is
>> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form
>> from
>> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines
>>
>> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price 
>> wars
>> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services
>> on
>> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
>> transport.
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General
>> List"
>> ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>
>>
>>> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
>>> launches?
>>>
>>> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> John M. McDowell
>>> Boonlink Communications
>>> 307 Grand Ave NW
>>> Fort Payne, AL 35967
>>> 256.844.9932
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> www.boonlink.com
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2008-08-10 Thread Blake Bowers
Anyone providing WISP service in the Blanchester OH
area?

Or Cedarville area?

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Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures

2008-08-10 Thread Stuart Browne
I like the five point yagi!!.. is that for a STAR network ? Nice
installation pix.

Stu Browne

On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey guys I just got some pictures uploaded of one of my AP sites if you want
> to check it out. Hopefully someone starting out can benefit from it as this
> is 4 years of knowledge from being on the lists here and picking up on
> better ways of how to do installs. Got any questions just ask. I'd
> appreciate some comments as well. :)
>
>
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com/towers/DSGE_Tower/
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Transportable/Mobile 3650mhz band Base Stations

2008-08-10 Thread Stuart Browne
The "transportable 3650 base station" idea is akin to a transportable
satellite terminal. FCC requires that the satcom terminal be licensed
but permits uplinking from ad hoc sites "without registration".
Imagine needing to relocate a base station after a tornedo wipes out
the base station and tower...

On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 9:42 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It focuses on the base station because that is where authorization for the 
> client to transmit happens.
>
> Its up to the base station to track where the client station is dynamically.
>
> I mean mobility is why we are in the wireless business isn't it? If client 
> stations couldn't move around then it would be kind of pointless.
>
> Charles
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:45:20
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Transportable/Mobile 3650mhz band Base Stations
>
>
> I see no reason why they would not.   The question is not if you can move
> the building or structure or whatever it is mounted to, but whether or not
> you properly update your location registration(s).One thing I find odd,
> is that the process ignores the "client" and focuses on the base station.
>
> Having been through that process - I'm still in it, the first app was
> rejected and had to be amended, it's a bit of a pain, and the FCC is NOT
> fast in responding.   Well, fast to me is overnight, fast to them is a week
> or so.   It actually looks like I'll have the first licensed and registered
> site in OR and WA state.
>
> They're very adamant about warning you not to put equipment online until the
> site registration is done.
>
>
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> 
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> - Original Message -
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> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:04 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Transportable/Mobile 3650mhz band Base Stations
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>
>> I'm interested in if the FCC permits the use of transportable 3650 mhz
>> band base stations.
>>
>> Stu Browne
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Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures

2008-08-10 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
That's not a barrel connector it is a PolyPhaser surge surpressor. I've
never had an issue with water getting in a connector in 4 years of sealing
this way. We must have pretty mild weather or something. I do try to get the
tape all the way up to the antenna though but sometimes its tight and the
roll of tape won't make it but it turns out alright every time.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures

Hi,

Looks very nice... I did notice a couple things that we have seen in our 
environment that may or may not be an issue. The first is the 
weatherproof on the LMR jumper cables. We have found that we have to 
seal all the way up against the plastic case on the antenna, otherwise 
water will eventually penetrate into the seal. The other thing is using 
an RJ45 barrel connector inside your outdoor box. We've had many of them 
fail after a year or two (in our environment, it's probably due to the 
large temperature swings in summer vs. winter. We see -30F in the winter 
and up to 105F in the summer).

Just some thoughts... take it for what it's worth... ;)

Travis
Microserv

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> Hey guys I just got some pictures uploaded of one of my AP sites if you
want
> to check it out. Hopefully someone starting out can benefit from it as
this
> is 4 years of knowledge from being on the lists here and picking up on
> better ways of how to do installs. Got any questions just ask. I'd
> appreciate some comments as well. :)
>
>  
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com/towers/DSGE_Tower/
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
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Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures

2008-08-10 Thread Scottie Arnett
What frequency is the STAR antenna operating on? Nice install.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date:  Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:07:28 -0400

>Hey guys I just got some pictures uploaded of one of my AP sites if you want
>to check it out. Hopefully someone starting out can benefit from it as this
>is 4 years of knowledge from being on the lists here and picking up on
>better ways of how to do installs. Got any questions just ask. I'd
>appreciate some comments as well. :)
>
> 
>
>http://www.wavelinc.com/towers/DSGE_Tower/
>
> 
>
> 
>
>Kurt Fankhauser
>WAVELINC
>P.O. Box 126
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>www.wavelinc.com
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Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures

2008-08-10 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Yes the battery tender (actually power tender) works great. It is 12v at
5amps so it can do about 60 watts. It keeps the battery topped off and from
over charging and when the power goes out the equipment keeps running from
the battery. Also when the power goes out it has circuitry that keeps it
from power backwards and draining the battery. I am doing this on 5 tower
sites and it works great. I get the power tenders from batterymart.com cause
they are only like $80 there and the battery's from ebay are like $40 a
piece and that setup will depending on load run from 6-12 hours maybe longer
I don't know and the whole setup is under $150

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P.O. Box 126
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419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
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Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures

I noticed you're using a Battery Tender, is that enough to charge and run 
all you're stuff?  Their offices are about 20 miles from here, all the times

I've driven by there I've never thought about using that on a tower.


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Subject: [WISPA] new site install pictures


> Hey guys I just got some pictures uploaded of one of my AP sites if you 
> want
> to check it out. Hopefully someone starting out can benefit from it as 
> this
> is 4 years of knowledge from being on the lists here and picking up on
> better ways of how to do installs. Got any questions just ask. I'd
> appreciate some comments as well. :)
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Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures

2008-08-10 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi,

Looks very nice... I did notice a couple things that we have seen in our 
environment that may or may not be an issue. The first is the 
weatherproof on the LMR jumper cables. We have found that we have to 
seal all the way up against the plastic case on the antenna, otherwise 
water will eventually penetrate into the seal. The other thing is using 
an RJ45 barrel connector inside your outdoor box. We've had many of them 
fail after a year or two (in our environment, it's probably due to the 
large temperature swings in summer vs. winter. We see -30F in the winter 
and up to 105F in the summer).

Just some thoughts... take it for what it's worth... ;)

Travis
Microserv

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> Hey guys I just got some pictures uploaded of one of my AP sites if you want
> to check it out. Hopefully someone starting out can benefit from it as this
> is 4 years of knowledge from being on the lists here and picking up on
> better ways of how to do installs. Got any questions just ask. I'd
> appreciate some comments as well. :)
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Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures

2008-08-10 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
I noticed you're using a Battery Tender, is that enough to charge and run 
all you're stuff?  Their offices are about 20 miles from here, all the times 
I've driven by there I've never thought about using that on a tower.


- Original Message - 
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:07 AM
Subject: [WISPA] new site install pictures


> Hey guys I just got some pictures uploaded of one of my AP sites if you 
> want
> to check it out. Hopefully someone starting out can benefit from it as 
> this
> is 4 years of knowledge from being on the lists here and picking up on
> better ways of how to do installs. Got any questions just ask. I'd
> appreciate some comments as well. :)
>
>
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com/towers/DSGE_Tower/
>
>
>
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

2008-08-10 Thread Brian Webster
If that is the case, why is the cellular industry making such a push for FEM
to Cell products. Those are basically just a micro cellular transmitter for
your home/office that then acts as a VOIP gateway back to their network
without loading up their cells sites...

I think this will backfire on them though. As the WISP industry already
knows, as soon as you put transmitters in the hands of consumers, the noise
levels go way up. In most of their networks they can not afford a serious
increase in noise floor and I predict that is exactly what will happen, that
is unless they get smart and make the phones and FEM devices use the DECT
6.0 frequencies...



Thank You,
Brian Webster

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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians.
So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I
can sell.

I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.  That is
to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form from
any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines

Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price wars
are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on
the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
transport.
marlon

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Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
> launches?
>
> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing?
>
> --
> John M. McDowell
> Boonlink Communications
> 307 Grand Ave NW
> Fort Payne, AL 35967
> 256.844.9932
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[WISPA] new site install pictures

2008-08-10 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Hey guys I just got some pictures uploaded of one of my AP sites if you want
to check it out. Hopefully someone starting out can benefit from it as this
is 4 years of knowledge from being on the lists here and picking up on
better ways of how to do installs. Got any questions just ask. I'd
appreciate some comments as well. :)

 

http://www.wavelinc.com/towers/DSGE_Tower/

 

 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com

 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

2008-08-10 Thread Joe Fiero
Agreed

Convergence, or unified communications, will be the answer.  Our Internet
services will be the backbone for the future where people carry a unified
device that provides both cellular and IP telephony.  These hybrids already
exist and the use of femtocells will accelerate their adoption.

This puts the WISP clearly in the path of reselling cellular service that
gives the user access to a reliable nationwide network when on the road as
well as reliable indoor service at their home and office through our
broadband offerings.

While young mobile singles and couples may survive on cellular only, it
becomes a whole different story for families, businesses and farms.  They
can't run the farm if pop takes the cell phone with him to town.  Need to
have broadband to access all the goodies from the USDA and other farming
sources and VoIP is a natural, providing a dedicated phone with great
features and low cost.  Best of all they can now use their cell phones as
extensions of the home or office phone.


Joe




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Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 10:30 AM
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Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People like 
their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the 
basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain 
cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of reasons.
- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) 
> Netsapians.
> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think

> I
> can sell.
>
> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.  That 
> is
> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form 
> from
> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines
>
> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price wars
> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services 
> on
> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
> transport.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
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> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General 
> List"
> ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
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>
>> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
>> launches?
>>
>> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing?
>>
>> -- 
>> John M. McDowell
>> Boonlink Communications
>> 307 Grand Ave NW
>> Fort Payne, AL 35967
>> 256.844.9932
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> www.boonlink.com
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

2008-08-10 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People like 
their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the 
basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain 
cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of reasons.
- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) 
> Netsapians.
> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think 
> I
> can sell.
>
> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.  That 
> is
> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form 
> from
> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines
>
> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price wars
> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services 
> on
> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
> transport.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General 
> List"
> ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
>
>> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
>> launches?
>>
>> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing?
>>
>> -- 
>> John M. McDowell
>> Boonlink Communications
>> 307 Grand Ave NW
>> Fort Payne, AL 35967
>> 256.844.9932
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> www.boonlink.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> privileged.
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