Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Redline BH

[3-dB Networks]

Thank you Mike I think that was were I was confused

Daniel White
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>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Mike Goicoechea
>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:17 PM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Redline BH
>
>The confusion may be that the AN-80 with 3.65 PTMP should be in March.
>AN-80i MAX  Plus Radio ptp supports 3.3-3.8 GHz and 3.65 GHz band in the
>US.
>High power radio up to 25 dBm and 21 dBm @ 64 QAM Many more channel
>sizes :
>3.5, 5, 7, 10, 14, 20, 28 MHz
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mike Goicoechea
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Kevin Suitor
>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:43 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Redline BH
>
>The MAX+ 3.5 with FCC approval is now available.  We have been shipping
>this product worldwide since 4Q 2008.  Please check with your Redline
>Certified Partner for up to date information.  I am checking on why the
>brochure on the web site is still marked preliminary.
>
>Kevin
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Matt Liotta
>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:34 AM
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>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Redline BH
>
>These are not officially available yet. Hence the lack of information.
>I have a pair at our office for testing if anyone wants to swing by.
>Unfortunately, I can't share any results at this point.
>
>-Matt
>
>On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:12 AM, 3-dB Networks wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have the spec sheet?  I see one on their website but its
>> marked
>> preliminary. hoping they had something a bit more complete.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe someone can help answer a few questions for me:
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the max throughput roughly per channel size?
>>
>> What type of range are these things getting?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
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[WISPA] service to:

[CHUCK PROFITO]

Anybody serving Reedley, Dinuba, or Squaw Valley California.  These are east
of Fresno, CA


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Re: [WISPA] bonding

[Jeff Broadwick]

Hi Eje,

Yes, you are correct.  We can bond DSL using MLPPP.

Jeff
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:28 AM
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Cc: Jeff Broadwick
Subject: Re: [WISPA] bonding

I do believe you would be able to use an Imagestream. If memory serves me
right they do support mlppp. I'm sure Jeff can correct me if I'm wrong. 

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Subject: [WISPA] bonding
Sent: Jan 23, 2009 11:22

Hi,

We currently provide DSL service using Qwest. We are a "megahost" 
provider, meaning we have a DS3 directly to Qwest, and then we can sell DSL
circuits using our bandwidth, etc.

In the past, we have been able to "bond" multiple DSL lines using a Cisco
router on the customer side and then using Cisco's CEF protocol. 
This provides a true bonded connection, because it does a "per packet" 
load balance.

Is there a better solution? I have to use a Cisco on our NOC side, but I
would prefer to find something cheaper. Any ideas on what protocol may work?
MLPPP or ?

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Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Redline BH

[Mike Goicoechea]

The confusion may be that the AN-80 with 3.65 PTMP should be in March. 
AN-80i MAX  Plus Radio ptp supports 3.3-3.8 GHz and 3.65 GHz band in the US.
High power radio up to 25 dBm and 21 dBm @ 64 QAM Many more channel sizes :
3.5, 5, 7, 10, 14, 20, 28 MHz

Thanks,

Mike Goicoechea


 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kevin Suitor
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:43 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Redline BH

The MAX+ 3.5 with FCC approval is now available.  We have been shipping
this product worldwide since 4Q 2008.  Please check with your Redline
Certified Partner for up to date information.  I am checking on why the
brochure on the web site is still marked preliminary.

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Redline BH

These are not officially available yet. Hence the lack of information.  
I have a pair at our office for testing if anyone wants to swing by.  
Unfortunately, I can't share any results at this point.

-Matt

On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:12 AM, 3-dB Networks wrote:

> Does anyone have the spec sheet?  I see one on their website but its  
> marked
> preliminary. hoping they had something a bit more complete.
>
>
>
> Maybe someone can help answer a few questions for me:
>
>
>
> What is the max throughput roughly per channel size?
>
> What type of range are these things getting?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> 3-dB Networks
>
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Paolo Di Francesco]

sorry, not meant to send it here.

I need some more coffee I guess...hum

:/


> Parrebbe che gli sfigati siamo solo noi...
> 
> bha...
> 
>> We are using a routed backbone with Mikrotik's OSPF. We have Mikrotik
>> working without problems with product from ImageStream, Cisco, and Juniper.
>> I haven't tried anything MPLS yet, we've been too busy to experiment with
>> it.
>>
>> The only troubles I've ran into with Mikrotik OSPF has been the occasional
>> reboot required when we have a backhaul link flapping constantly, as well as
>> some problems with some redundant customer routing.  We have several
>> customers that are paying extra for redundant links, we are giving them a
>> /30 and installing a Mikrotik router with OSPF running.  We've had a time or
>> two where our normal traffic would route through their connection instead of
>> our backbone(not sure why), but that was fixed when we started filtering the
>> advertised routes.
>>
>> I don't remember who it was, but about two years ago I visited with a WISP
>> that was running several thousand customers on a bridged network (STP IIRC).
>> They were using the MAC dst-nat functionality to forward all broadcasts to
>> their PPPoE server at one end of the network, they said it was working very
>> well for them.
>>
>> -Kevin Neal
>> Safelink Internet
>>
> 


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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Nathan Stooke]

Hello,

Right now 8.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

just for curiosity: how many nodes?


> Hello,
> 
>   Yes our core is running MPLS.  We us Mikrotik routers so it does not
> coast use a huge amount.  They also have anew virtual router that allows
you
> to take 1 box and put 2 or more routers on it.  We have a MPLS core router
> and a Edge router at each main tower on our ring.  This did save use a
about
> 50% because we did not have to buy the second router.
>   
>   Thanks
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:12 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
> 
> Hi Nathan,
> 
> it could be a solution, but:
> 
> 1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch with MPLS.
> Any other suggestion welcome.
> 2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we would like to
> implement MPLS in each site, it would cost us a fortune.
> 3) Still wondering about maturity or many MPLS implementations, not sure
> the brands that really work and the ones which does not.
> 
> Suggestions welcome ;)
> 
> P.S. are you using MPLS?
> 
>> Hello,
>>
>>  MPLS
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
>>
>> we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering
>> about switched...
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>> If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler.
>>>
>>> Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though?
>>>
>>> On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco  wrote:
 Dear All

 I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged
 environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious
because
 I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the
backbone
 collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
 Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are
 the same... (thinking about HP for this application)

 Thank you in advance.


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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Paolo Di Francesco]

Parrebbe che gli sfigati siamo solo noi...

bha...

> We are using a routed backbone with Mikrotik's OSPF. We have Mikrotik
> working without problems with product from ImageStream, Cisco, and Juniper.
> I haven't tried anything MPLS yet, we've been too busy to experiment with
> it.
> 
> The only troubles I've ran into with Mikrotik OSPF has been the occasional
> reboot required when we have a backhaul link flapping constantly, as well as
> some problems with some redundant customer routing.  We have several
> customers that are paying extra for redundant links, we are giving them a
> /30 and installing a Mikrotik router with OSPF running.  We've had a time or
> two where our normal traffic would route through their connection instead of
> our backbone(not sure why), but that was fixed when we started filtering the
> advertised routes.
> 
> I don't remember who it was, but about two years ago I visited with a WISP
> that was running several thousand customers on a bridged network (STP IIRC).
> They were using the MAC dst-nat functionality to forward all broadcasts to
> their PPPoE server at one end of the network, they said it was working very
> well for them.
> 
> -Kevin Neal
> Safelink Internet
> 

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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Kevin Neal]

We are using a routed backbone with Mikrotik's OSPF. We have Mikrotik
working without problems with product from ImageStream, Cisco, and Juniper.
I haven't tried anything MPLS yet, we've been too busy to experiment with
it.

The only troubles I've ran into with Mikrotik OSPF has been the occasional
reboot required when we have a backhaul link flapping constantly, as well as
some problems with some redundant customer routing.  We have several
customers that are paying extra for redundant links, we are giving them a
/30 and installing a Mikrotik router with OSPF running.  We've had a time or
two where our normal traffic would route through their connection instead of
our backbone(not sure why), but that was fixed when we started filtering the
advertised routes.

I don't remember who it was, but about two years ago I visited with a WISP
that was running several thousand customers on a bridged network (STP IIRC).
They were using the MAC dst-nat functionality to forward all broadcasts to
their PPPoE server at one end of the network, they said it was working very
well for them.

-Kevin Neal
Safelink Internet



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Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

just coming back to the original topic:

is everybody using routed backbone or somebody is playing with the
switched/mpls thing? :)

Thank you
> Dear All
> 
> I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged 
> environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious 
> because I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if 
> the backbone collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
> Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches 
> are the same... (thinking about HP for this application)
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> 


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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

Routed is the way to go. Think of this, the internet is routed, why 
should you not be..

I support hundreds of networks running RouterOS most with dynamic 
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Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
> just coming back to the original topic:
>
> is everybody using routed backbone or somebody is playing with the
> switched/mpls thing? :)
>
> Thank you
>   
>> Dear All
>>
>> I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged
>> environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because
>> I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone
>> collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
>> Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are
>> the same... (thinking about HP for this application)
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>> 
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Paolo Di Francesco]

just for curiosity: how many nodes?


> Hello,
> 
>   Yes our core is running MPLS.  We us Mikrotik routers so it does not
> coast use a huge amount.  They also have anew virtual router that allows you
> to take 1 box and put 2 or more routers on it.  We have a MPLS core router
> and a Edge router at each main tower on our ring.  This did save use a about
> 50% because we did not have to buy the second router.
>   
>   Thanks
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:12 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
> 
> Hi Nathan,
> 
> it could be a solution, but:
> 
> 1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch with MPLS.
> Any other suggestion welcome.
> 2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we would like to
> implement MPLS in each site, it would cost us a fortune.
> 3) Still wondering about maturity or many MPLS implementations, not sure
> the brands that really work and the ones which does not.
> 
> Suggestions welcome ;)
> 
> P.S. are you using MPLS?
> 
>> Hello,
>>
>>  MPLS
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
>>
>> we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering
>> about switched...
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>> If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler.
>>>
>>> Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though?
>>>
>>> On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco  wrote:
 Dear All

 I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged
 environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because
 I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone
 collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
 Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are
 the same... (thinking about HP for this application)

 Thank you in advance.


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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Nathan Stooke]

Hello,

Yes our core is running MPLS.  We us Mikrotik routers so it does not
coast use a huge amount.  They also have anew virtual router that allows you
to take 1 box and put 2 or more routers on it.  We have a MPLS core router
and a Edge router at each main tower on our ring.  This did save use a about
50% because we did not have to buy the second router.

Thanks


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:12 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

Hi Nathan,

it could be a solution, but:

1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch with MPLS.
Any other suggestion welcome.
2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we would like to
implement MPLS in each site, it would cost us a fortune.
3) Still wondering about maturity or many MPLS implementations, not sure
the brands that really work and the ones which does not.

Suggestions welcome ;)

P.S. are you using MPLS?

> Hello,
> 
>   MPLS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
> 
> we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering
> about switched...
> 
> Thank you.
> 
>> If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler.
>>
>> Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though?
>>
>> On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco  wrote:
>>> Dear All
>>>
>>> I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged
>>> environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because
>>> I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone
>>> collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
>>> Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are
>>> the same... (thinking about HP for this application)
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Jerry Richardson]

That'll teach ya,

See you there next year. 


 
 
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

They sure like to rub it in don't they :)

Randy


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> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Jerry Richardson 
>
>> wrote:
>> 
>
>   
>> There was a presentation on MikroTik MPLS at Animal Farm that was 
>> very informative.
>>
>> We are not using any MikroTik (yet) however a couple of WIPS 
>> operators that I trust are using it with alot of success.
>>
>>
>> __
>> Jerry Richardson
>> airCloud Communications
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>> On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:19 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
>>
>>
>> Mikrotik now supports MPLS. So any routerboard should work fine, 
>> depending on how much traffic you need to move.
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>>
>>Hi Nathan,
>>
>>it could be a solution, but:
>>
>>1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch 
>> with MPLS.
>>Any other suggestion welcome.
>>2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we 
>> would like to
>>implement MPLS in each site, it would cost us a fortune.
>>3) Still wondering about maturity or many MPLS 
>> implementations, not sure
>>the brands that really work and the ones which does not.
>>
>>Suggestions welcome ;)
>>
>>P.S. are you using MPLS?
>>
>>
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>MPLS
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM
>>To: WISPA General List
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
>>
>>we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was

>> just wondering
>>about switched...
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>>If you have that many a routed network would 
>> be much simpler.
>>
>>Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though?
>>
>>On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco 
>>  
wrote:
>>
>>
>>Dear All
>>
>>I am wondering how many switches can 
>> be put together in a bridged
>>environment (via radio-bridges) with 
>> the Rapid STP. Just curious because
>>I did not find anywhere the maximum 
>> number and wondering if the backbone
>>collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 
>> switches.
>>Also wondering what do you advice, I 
>> know that not all the switches are
>>the same... (thinking about HP for 
>> this
>> application)
>>
>>Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>> Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo
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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Paolo Di Francesco]

Interesting

what problems? in case send me an offline...

Are you considering any router there? (Cisco, Juniper, Linux, whatever)

> I bought a switched network (not even STP..) and moving it to routed
> (static).
> 
> Josh Luthman
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> 
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Paolo Di Francesco <
> difrance...@teleinform.com> wrote:
> 
>> just coming back to the original topic:
>>
>> is everybody using routed backbone or somebody is playing with the
>> switched/mpls thing? :)
>>
>> Thank you
>>> Dear All
>>>
>>> I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged
>>> environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because
>>> I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone
>>> collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
>>> Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are
>>> the same... (thinking about HP for this application)
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Josh Luthman]

I bought a switched network (not even STP..) and moving it to routed
(static).

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On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Paolo Di Francesco <
difrance...@teleinform.com> wrote:

> just coming back to the original topic:
>
> is everybody using routed backbone or somebody is playing with the
> switched/mpls thing? :)
>
> Thank you
> > Dear All
> >
> > I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged
> > environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because
> > I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone
> > collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
> > Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are
> > the same... (thinking about HP for this application)
> >
> > Thank you in advance.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>
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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Paolo Di Francesco]

just coming back to the original topic:

is everybody using routed backbone or somebody is playing with the
switched/mpls thing? :)

Thank you
> Dear All
> 
> I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged
> environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because
> I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone
> collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
> Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are
> the same... (thinking about HP for this application)
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> 


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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Josh Luthman]

They sure do...

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On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Randy Cosby  wrote:

> They sure like to rub it in don't they :)
>
> Randy
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
> > I die a little inside every time I hear about this year's Animal Farm as
> I
> > couldn't make it =(
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> > --- Henry Spencer
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Jerry Richardson <
> jrichard...@aircloud.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >
> >
> >> There was a presentation on MikroTik MPLS at Animal Farm that was very
> >> informative.
> >>
> >> We are not using any MikroTik (yet) however a couple of WIPS operators
> >> that I trust are using it with alot of success.
> >>
> >>
> >> __
> >> Jerry Richardson
> >> airCloud Communications
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:19 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
> >>
> >>
> >> Mikrotik now supports MPLS. So any routerboard should work fine,
> >> depending on how much traffic you need to move.
> >>
> >> Travis
> >> Microserv
> >>
> >> Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
> >>
> >>Hi Nathan,
> >>
> >>it could be a solution, but:
> >>
> >>1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch with
> >> MPLS.
> >>Any other suggestion welcome.
> >>2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we would
> >> like to
> >>implement MPLS in each site, it would cost us a fortune.
> >>3) Still wondering about maturity or many MPLS implementations,
> >> not sure
> >>the brands that really work and the ones which does not.
> >>
> >>Suggestions welcome ;)
> >>
> >>P.S. are you using MPLS?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Hello,
> >>
> >>MPLS
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> >> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >>Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> >>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM
> >>To: WISPA General List
> >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
> >>
> >>we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was
> >> just wondering
> >>about switched...
> >>
> >>Thank you.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>If you have that many a routed network would be
> >> much simpler.
> >>
> >>Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though?
> >>
> >>On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco
> >>  
>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>Dear All
> >>
> >>I am wondering how many switches can be
> >> put together in a bridged
> >>environment (via radio-bridges) with the
> >> Rapid STP. Just curious because
> >>I did not find anywhere the maximum
> >> number and wondering if the backbone
> >>collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000
> >> switches.
> >>Also wondering what do you advice, I
> >> know that not all the switches are
> >>the same... (thinking about HP for this
> >> application)
> >>
> >>Thank you in advance.
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>
> >>
> >>Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
> >>
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> >> Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo
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> >> 49, 90046 Monreale
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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Paolo Di Francesco]

Mixed 2.9.X/3.X, yes running the "right one" routing pack (it was much
worse with the "stable pack").

1) OSPF default route goes lost time to time, so some nodes get but of
the network
2) sometimes OSPF does not communicate some routes (the neighbor is
there but the route is not appearing, it should be working but it's not)
3) OSPF does not work with BGP Openbgp implementation (default route
goes lost, it looks like mikrotik thing, not nice when the traffic on
the edge is not going anywhere and more or less the whole network is down)
4) memory leakage in some versions, so we have to remind to reboot the
devices time to time
5) other minor bugs here and there (this morning we had a strange thing
the route should be there but the router was not getting it from the
neighbor)

Maybe we are just not lucky or we have too many flapping links.


> Just curious what issues do you see, what version are you using. Running the 
> experimental routing package? Are you using MikroTik only or are you 
> exchanging OSPF routing with other devices? I used OSPF and mikotik for a 
> long time and except for a few bad revisions it has been rock solid. 
> 
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paolo Di Francesco 
> 
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:23:33 
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
> 
> 
> Hi Travis
> 
> to be honest mikrotik routing is not working well, and we are far from
> being happy about the OSPF implementation: too many bugs and lost routes.
> So, I would like to move to something more robust. Mikrotik MPLS
> implementation looks more at experimental stage and I would not use it
> for any reason in any production network. Maybe I am wrong and it's
> really stable, so if somebody is using mikrotik-MPLS let us know it!
> 
> Thank you.
> 
>> Mikrotik now supports MPLS. So any routerboard should work fine, depending 
>> on 
>> how much traffic you need to move.
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>>> Hi Nathan,
>>>
>>> it could be a solution, but:
>>>
>>> 1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch with MPLS.
>>> Any other suggestion welcome.
>>> 2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we would like to
>>> implement MPLS in each site, it would cost us a fortune.
>>> 3) Still wondering about maturity or many MPLS implementations, not sure
>>> the brands that really work and the ones which does not.
>>>
>>> Suggestions welcome ;)
>>>
>>> P.S. are you using MPLS?
>>>
>>>   
 Hello,

MPLS

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
 Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

 we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering
 about switched...

 Thank you.

 
> If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler.
>
> Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though?
>
> On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco  wrote:
>   
>> Dear All
>>
>> I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged
>> environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because
>> I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone
>> collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
>> Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are
>> the same... (thinking about HP for this application)
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>
>> Teleinform S.p.A.
>> Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo
>> Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale
>> Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501
>> Fax: +39-091-6406200
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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Randy Cosby]

They sure like to rub it in don't they :)

Randy


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> couldn't make it =(
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> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Jerry Richardson
>> wrote:
>> 
>
>   
>> There was a presentation on MikroTik MPLS at Animal Farm that was very
>> informative.
>>
>> We are not using any MikroTik (yet) however a couple of WIPS operators
>> that I trust are using it with alot of success.
>>
>>
>> __
>> Jerry Richardson
>> airCloud Communications
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:19 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
>>
>>
>> Mikrotik now supports MPLS. So any routerboard should work fine,
>> depending on how much traffic you need to move.
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>>
>>Hi Nathan,
>>
>>it could be a solution, but:
>>
>>1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch with
>> MPLS.
>>Any other suggestion welcome.
>>2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we would
>> like to
>>implement MPLS in each site, it would cost us a fortune.
>>3) Still wondering about maturity or many MPLS implementations,
>> not sure
>>the brands that really work and the ones which does not.
>>
>>Suggestions welcome ;)
>>
>>P.S. are you using MPLS?
>>
>>
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>MPLS
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM
>>To: WISPA General List
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
>>
>>we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was
>> just wondering
>>about switched...
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>>If you have that many a routed network would be
>> much simpler.
>>
>>Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though?
>>
>>On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco
>>    wrote:
>>
>>
>>Dear All
>>
>>I am wondering how many switches can be
>> put together in a bridged
>>environment (via radio-bridges) with the
>> Rapid STP. Just curious because
>>I did not find anywhere the maximum
>> number and wondering if the backbone
>>collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000
>> switches.
>>Also wondering what do you advice, I
>> know that not all the switches are
>>the same... (thinking about HP for this
>> application)
>>
>>Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>>--
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>>
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>>
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>> Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo
>>Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana
>> 49, 90046 Monreale
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>>Fax: +39-091-6406200
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Re: [WISPA] bonding

[Randy Cosby]

MLPPP should work, we're also getting ready to test that.  We normally 
do PPPOA on the DSL router, but a bridged connection with PPPOE on a 
separate device behind the DSL modems should work as well. 

Another half-baked thought:

Could you use Cisco's bridge-group feature to map the vpi/vci to an 
ethernet vlan subinterface, then do whatever you want on your end - 
Cisco CEF, mlppp, mikrotik bonding, whatever?  I need to look into this 
too.



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Have you seen the company that is specializing in this, 
PipeDreamNetworks.com ?  They called me the other day to ask about 
testing their solution with us.

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Travis Johnson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We currently provide DSL service using Qwest. We are a "megahost" 
> provider, meaning we have a DS3 directly to Qwest, and then we can sell 
> DSL circuits using our bandwidth, etc.
>
> In the past, we have been able to "bond" multiple DSL lines using a 
> Cisco router on the customer side and then using Cisco's CEF protocol. 
> This provides a true bonded connection, because it does a "per packet" 
> load balance.
>
> Is there a better solution? I have to use a Cisco on our NOC side, but I 
> would prefer to find something cheaper. Any ideas on what protocol may 
> work? MLPPP or ?
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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Josh Luthman]

I die a little inside every time I hear about this year's Animal Farm as I
couldn't make it =(

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On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Jerry Richardson  wrote:

> There was a presentation on MikroTik MPLS at Animal Farm that was very
> informative.
>
> We are not using any MikroTik (yet) however a couple of WIPS operators
> that I trust are using it with alot of success.
>
>
> __
> Jerry Richardson
> airCloud Communications
>
>
> 
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:19 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
>
>
> Mikrotik now supports MPLS. So any routerboard should work fine,
> depending on how much traffic you need to move.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>
>Hi Nathan,
>
>it could be a solution, but:
>
>1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch with
> MPLS.
>Any other suggestion welcome.
>2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we would
> like to
>implement MPLS in each site, it would cost us a fortune.
>3) Still wondering about maturity or many MPLS implementations,
> not sure
>the brands that really work and the ones which does not.
>
>Suggestions welcome ;)
>
>P.S. are you using MPLS?
>
>
>
>Hello,
>
>MPLS
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
>
>we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was
> just wondering
>about switched...
>
>Thank you.
>
>
>
>If you have that many a routed network would be
> much simpler.
>
>Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though?
>
>On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco
>    wrote:
>
>
>Dear All
>
>I am wondering how many switches can be
> put together in a bridged
>environment (via radio-bridges) with the
> Rapid STP. Just curious because
>I did not find anywhere the maximum
> number and wondering if the backbone
>collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000
> switches.
>Also wondering what do you advice, I
> know that not all the switches are
>the same... (thinking about HP for this
> application)
>
>Thank you in advance.
>
>
>--
>
>
>Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>
>Teleinform S.p.A.
>Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di
> Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo
>Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana
> 49, 90046 Monreale
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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[eje]

Just curious what issues do you see, what version are you using. Running the 
experimental routing package? Are you using MikroTik only or are you exchanging 
OSPF routing with other devices? I used OSPF and mikotik for a long time and 
except for a few bad revisions it has been rock solid. 

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-Original Message-
From: Paolo Di Francesco 

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:23:33 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?


Hi Travis

to be honest mikrotik routing is not working well, and we are far from
being happy about the OSPF implementation: too many bugs and lost routes.
So, I would like to move to something more robust. Mikrotik MPLS
implementation looks more at experimental stage and I would not use it
for any reason in any production network. Maybe I am wrong and it's
really stable, so if somebody is using mikrotik-MPLS let us know it!

Thank you.

> Mikrotik now supports MPLS. So any routerboard should work fine, depending on 
> how much traffic you need to move.
> 
> Travis
> Microserv
> 
> Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>> Hi Nathan,
>>
>> it could be a solution, but:
>>
>> 1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch with MPLS.
>> Any other suggestion welcome.
>> 2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we would like to
>> implement MPLS in each site, it would cost us a fortune.
>> 3) Still wondering about maturity or many MPLS implementations, not sure
>> the brands that really work and the ones which does not.
>>
>> Suggestions welcome ;)
>>
>> P.S. are you using MPLS?
>>
>>   
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> MPLS
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
>>>
>>> we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering
>>> about switched...
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> 
 If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler.

 Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though?

 On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco  wrote:
   
> Dear All
>
> I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged
> environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because
> I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone
> collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
> Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are
> the same... (thinking about HP for this application)
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
>
> --
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>
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>
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Re: [WISPA] bonding

[Larry A Weidig]

Travis:
We have a similar setup with AT&T on their network as you have
with Qwest.  We are able to use Mikrotik and MlPPPoE to created bonded
connections through 2 or more DSL links for sites that require
additional bandwidth.  I believe though this is something that needs to
be supported/setup by the LAC's that the DSL links connect into before
the traffic is tunneled over to you.  We also then needed to allow
multilink in the virtual-template profile (Cisco) for the account and
setup Radius to allow multi-link for the account.  This is the case for
us and now that it is setup is VERY simple to do.

Larry
Excel.Net, Inc.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] bonding

Hi,

We currently provide DSL service using Qwest. We are a "megahost" 
provider, meaning we have a DS3 directly to Qwest, and then we can sell 
DSL circuits using our bandwidth, etc.

In the past, we have been able to "bond" multiple DSL lines using a 
Cisco router on the customer side and then using Cisco's CEF protocol. 
This provides a true bonded connection, because it does a "per packet" 
load balance.

Is there a better solution? I have to use a Cisco on our NOC side, but I

would prefer to find something cheaper. Any ideas on what protocol may 
work? MLPPP or ?

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Re: [WISPA] bonding

[R Stritt]

Travis,

I have done lots of research on the MLPPP solution, and tried various
configs,
if you get it working, please let me know.
We also are setup the same, except to at&t, and also use the CEF solution,
however..

We also have used the xincom twin routers. They work pretty good, for a 
balancing solution, not so much as a bonding solution. www.xincom.com

If you find a better solution, please let me know.

Richard
Mesh.net

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Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] bonding

Hi,

We currently provide DSL service using Qwest. We are a "megahost" 
provider, meaning we have a DS3 directly to Qwest, and then we can sell DSL
circuits using our bandwidth, etc.

In the past, we have been able to "bond" multiple DSL lines using a Cisco
router on the customer side and then using Cisco's CEF protocol. 
This provides a true bonded connection, because it does a "per packet" 
load balance.

Is there a better solution? I have to use a Cisco on our NOC side, but I
would prefer to find something cheaper. Any ideas on what protocol may work?
MLPPP or ?

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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Jerry Richardson]

There was a presentation on MikroTik MPLS at Animal Farm that was very
informative.
 
We are not using any MikroTik (yet) however a couple of WIPS operators
that I trust are using it with alot of success.
 
 
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airCloud Communications
 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:19 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?


Mikrotik now supports MPLS. So any routerboard should work fine,
depending on how much traffic you need to move.

Travis
Microserv

Paolo Di Francesco wrote: 

Hi Nathan,

it could be a solution, but:

1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch with
MPLS.
Any other suggestion welcome.
2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we would
like to
implement MPLS in each site, it would cost us a fortune.
3) Still wondering about maturity or many MPLS implementations,
not sure
the brands that really work and the ones which does not.

Suggestions welcome ;)

P.S. are you using MPLS?

  

Hello,

MPLS

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was
just wondering
about switched...

Thank you.



If you have that many a routed network would be
much simpler.

Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though?

On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco
   wrote:
  

Dear All

I am wondering how many switches can be
put together in a bridged
environment (via radio-bridges) with the
Rapid STP. Just curious because
I did not find anywhere the maximum
number and wondering if the backbone
collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000
switches.
Also wondering what do you advice, I
know that not all the switches are
the same... (thinking about HP for this
application)

Thank you in advance.


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Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo
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49, 90046 Monreale
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Re: [WISPA] bonding

[eje]

I do believe you would be able to use an Imagestream. If memory serves me right 
they do support mlppp. I'm sure Jeff can correct me if I'm wrong. 

/Eje
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Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List
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Subject: [WISPA] bonding
Sent: Jan 23, 2009 11:22

Hi,

We currently provide DSL service using Qwest. We are a "megahost" 
provider, meaning we have a DS3 directly to Qwest, and then we can sell 
DSL circuits using our bandwidth, etc.

In the past, we have been able to "bond" multiple DSL lines using a 
Cisco router on the customer side and then using Cisco's CEF protocol. 
This provides a true bonded connection, because it does a "per packet" 
load balance.

Is there a better solution? I have to use a Cisco on our NOC side, but I 
would prefer to find something cheaper. Any ideas on what protocol may 
work? MLPPP or ?

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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Josh Luthman]

I'm waiting for Butch to step on that OSPF + Mikrotik thing...

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On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Paolo Di Francesco <
difrance...@teleinform.com> wrote:

> Hi Travis
>
> to be honest mikrotik routing is not working well, and we are far from
> being happy about the OSPF implementation: too many bugs and lost routes.
> So, I would like to move to something more robust. Mikrotik MPLS
> implementation looks more at experimental stage and I would not use it
> for any reason in any production network. Maybe I am wrong and it's
> really stable, so if somebody is using mikrotik-MPLS let us know it!
>
> Thank you.
>
> > Mikrotik now supports MPLS. So any routerboard should work fine,
> depending on
> > how much traffic you need to move.
> >
> > Travis
> > Microserv
> >
> > Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
> >> Hi Nathan,
> >>
> >> it could be a solution, but:
> >>
> >> 1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch with MPLS.
> >> Any other suggestion welcome.
> >> 2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we would like to
> >> implement MPLS in each site, it would cost us a fortune.
> >> 3) Still wondering about maturity or many MPLS implementations, not sure
> >> the brands that really work and the ones which does not.
> >>
> >> Suggestions welcome ;)
> >>
> >> P.S. are you using MPLS?
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> >>> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> >>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM
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> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
> >>>
> >>> we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering
> >>> about switched...
> >>>
> >>> Thank you.
> >>>
> >>>
>  If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler.
> 
>  Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though?
> 
>  On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco  wrote:
> 
> > Dear All
> >
> > I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged
> > environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious
> because
> > I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the
> backbone
> > collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
> > Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches
> are
> > the same... (thinking about HP for this application)
> >
> > Thank you in advance.
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Paolo Di Francesco]

Hi Travis

to be honest mikrotik routing is not working well, and we are far from
being happy about the OSPF implementation: too many bugs and lost routes.
So, I would like to move to something more robust. Mikrotik MPLS
implementation looks more at experimental stage and I would not use it
for any reason in any production network. Maybe I am wrong and it's
really stable, so if somebody is using mikrotik-MPLS let us know it!

Thank you.

> Mikrotik now supports MPLS. So any routerboard should work fine, depending on 
> how much traffic you need to move.
> 
> Travis
> Microserv
> 
> Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>> Hi Nathan,
>>
>> it could be a solution, but:
>>
>> 1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch with MPLS.
>> Any other suggestion welcome.
>> 2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we would like to
>> implement MPLS in each site, it would cost us a fortune.
>> 3) Still wondering about maturity or many MPLS implementations, not sure
>> the brands that really work and the ones which does not.
>>
>> Suggestions welcome ;)
>>
>> P.S. are you using MPLS?
>>
>>   
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> MPLS
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
>>>
>>> we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering
>>> about switched...
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> 
 If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler.

 Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though?

 On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco  wrote:
   
> Dear All
>
> I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged
> environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because
> I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone
> collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
> Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are
> the same... (thinking about HP for this application)
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
>
> --
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[WISPA] bonding

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

We currently provide DSL service using Qwest. We are a "megahost" 
provider, meaning we have a DS3 directly to Qwest, and then we can sell 
DSL circuits using our bandwidth, etc.

In the past, we have been able to "bond" multiple DSL lines using a 
Cisco router on the customer side and then using Cisco's CEF protocol. 
This provides a true bonded connection, because it does a "per packet" 
load balance.

Is there a better solution? I have to use a Cisco on our NOC side, but I 
would prefer to find something cheaper. Any ideas on what protocol may 
work? MLPPP or ?

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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Travis Johnson]

Mikrotik now supports MPLS. So any routerboard should work fine,
depending on how much traffic you need to move.

Travis
Microserv

Paolo Di Francesco wrote:

  Hi Nathan,

it could be a solution, but:

1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch with MPLS.
Any other suggestion welcome.
2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we would like to
implement MPLS in each site, it would cost us a fortune.
3) Still wondering about maturity or many MPLS implementations, not sure
the brands that really work and the ones which does not.

Suggestions welcome ;)

P.S. are you using MPLS?

  
  
Hello,

	MPLS

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering
about switched...

Thank you.



  If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler.

Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though?

On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco  wrote:
  
  
Dear All

I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged
environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because
I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone
collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are
the same... (thinking about HP for this application)

Thank you in advance.


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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Paolo Di Francesco]

Hi Nathan,

it could be a solution, but:

1) the only product I found interesting it CISCO ME switch with MPLS.
Any other suggestion welcome.
2) cost per site goes really high for the backbone. If we would like to
implement MPLS in each site, it would cost us a fortune.
3) Still wondering about maturity or many MPLS implementations, not sure
the brands that really work and the ones which does not.

Suggestions welcome ;)

P.S. are you using MPLS?

> Hello,
> 
>   MPLS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
> 
> we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering
> about switched...
> 
> Thank you.
> 
>> If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler.
>>
>> Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though?
>>
>> On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco  wrote:
>>> Dear All
>>>
>>> I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged
>>> environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because
>>> I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone
>>> collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
>>> Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are
>>> the same... (thinking about HP for this application)
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>>
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>>> Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo
>>> Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale
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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Nathan Stooke]

Hello,

MPLS

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering
about switched...

Thank you.

> If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler.
> 
> Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though?
> 
> On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco  wrote:
>> Dear All
>>
>> I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged
>> environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because
>> I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone
>> collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
>> Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are
>> the same... (thinking about HP for this application)
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>
>> Teleinform S.p.A.
>> Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo
>> Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale
>> Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501
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Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

[Nathan Stooke]

Hello,

We have also used http://www.endian.com/en/.  At the time, about 8
months ago, untangle was kind of picky as to what hardware it would work
with.  I do not know if that is still the case.  We chose to use endian and
love it.  We are rolling out a network wide one for our hotspots.

Thanks


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Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

I just wanted to follow up for those that are interested.  I included
the original email below, but I will summarize.  I was asked to find a
way to log where employees are going on the internet.  I took the many
suggestions of NTop, PRTG, using NetFlow data and a reporting server,
etc.  They worked, but not exactly the simple reporting the employer
wanted.  What I stumbled across is a program called "Untangle."  It is a
unix load and very nicely done http://www.untangle.com.  Very secure.
It is a transparent bridge that also does firewalling and is a content
firewall.  I loaded it onto a 1U old Dell server they retired.  We
turned all of the blocking rules to log, so it was totally transparent
to the users.  It logs where each workstation went on the internet for
about 2 months.  Now that they have collected the information, they have
confronted the employees and at least made it public they were being
watched.  Then turned it onto blocking the sites they were wasting time.
It also now blocks the spyware that was running rampant on their
network.

Best of all, Untangle is free, and open source.  There are other "Pay
For" devices like Barracuda Web (310) is similar, but is routinely
maintained.  They are also great products.  Once this server outlives
its life, they will probably move up to the Barracuda for better
reporting and constant updates.

Anyone that does want more information, I can send screenshots and/or
answer questions should they arise later.

Thanks,

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200



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Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary
information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP).  They are
looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger
chats/passwords.  What would be ideal would be a passive device that
acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the
www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at
the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it.  Maybe even amount of
bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature.

 

Any ideas?  I have recommended software that is a keylogger and
recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e.
sniffer.

 

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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Gino Villarini]

Problems like?

Sent from my Motorola Startac...


On Jan 23, 2009, at 11:59 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"  wrote:

> we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering
> about switched...
>
> Thank you.
>
>> If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler.
>>
>> Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though?
>>
>> On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco  wrote:
>>> Dear All
>>>
>>> I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged
>>> environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious  
>>> because
>>> I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the  
>>> backbone
>>> collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
>>> Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the  
>>> switches are
>>> the same... (thinking about HP for this application)
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>>
>>> Teleinform S.p.A.
>>> Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo
>>> Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale
>>> Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501
>>> Fax: +39-091-6406200
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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Paolo Di Francesco]

we are routed, but routed has other problems. So I was just wondering
about switched...

Thank you.

> If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler.
> 
> Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though?
> 
> On 1/23/09, Paolo Di Francesco  wrote:
>> Dear All
>>
>> I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged
>> environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because
>> I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone
>> collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
>> Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are
>> the same... (thinking about HP for this application)
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>
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>> Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale
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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Josh Luthman]

If you have that many a routed network would be much simpler.

Any ideas on the limit of stp devices, though?

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> environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because
> I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone
> collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
> Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are
> the same... (thinking about HP for this application)
>
> Thank you in advance.
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[WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Paolo Di Francesco]

Dear All

I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged
environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because
I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone
collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are
the same... (thinking about HP for this application)

Thank you in advance.


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Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

[Cliff Olle]

I use untangle at many of the companies that I manage.  Makes my job easier,
and makes their employees more productive. 


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:57 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

FYI there's also a semi-official hack (information is on their forum:  
forums.untangle.com) about how to install ntop reporting as well.  
Hopefully that as well as more detailed reporting will be included in  
future releases. I participated in the recent Astaro beta and that  
really spoiled me. It has much better reporting (by user, by domain,  
etc) and the content filtering is better and more stable in my opinion  
but it's very expensive to buy. So I run Untangle here.

Greg

On Jan 23, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Eric Rogers wrote:

> I just wanted to follow up for those that are interested.  I included
> the original email below, but I will summarize.  I was asked to find a
> way to log where employees are going on the internet.  I took the many
> suggestions of NTop, PRTG, using NetFlow data and a reporting server,
> etc.  They worked, but not exactly the simple reporting the employer
> wanted.  What I stumbled across is a program called "Untangle."  It  
> is a
> unix load and very nicely done http://www.untangle.com.  Very secure.
> It is a transparent bridge that also does firewalling and is a content
> firewall.  I loaded it onto a 1U old Dell server they retired.  We
> turned all of the blocking rules to log, so it was totally transparent
> to the users.  It logs where each workstation went on the internet for
> about 2 months.  Now that they have collected the information, they  
> have
> confronted the employees and at least made it public they were being
> watched.  Then turned it onto blocking the sites they were wasting  
> time.
> It also now blocks the spyware that was running rampant on their
> network.
>
> Best of all, Untangle is free, and open source.  There are other "Pay
> For" devices like Barracuda Web (310) is similar, but is routinely
> maintained.  They are also great products.  Once this server outlives
> its life, they will probably move up to the Barracuda for better
> reporting and constant updates.
>
> Anyone that does want more information, I can send screenshots and/or
> answer questions should they arise later.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric Rogers
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
> (317) 831-3000 x200
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Eric Rogers
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:12 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
>
> I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary
> information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP).  They are
> looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger
> chats/passwords.  What would be ideal would be a passive device that
> acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the
> www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at
> the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it.  Maybe even amount of
> bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature.
>
>
>
> Any ideas?  I have recommended software that is a keylogger and
> recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e.
> sniffer.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Eric Rogers
>
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
>
> (317) 831-3000 x200
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

[os10rules]

FYI there's also a semi-official hack (information is on their forum:  
forums.untangle.com) about how to install ntop reporting as well.  
Hopefully that as well as more detailed reporting will be included in  
future releases. I participated in the recent Astaro beta and that  
really spoiled me. It has much better reporting (by user, by domain,  
etc) and the content filtering is better and more stable in my opinion  
but it's very expensive to buy. So I run Untangle here.

Greg

On Jan 23, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Eric Rogers wrote:

> I just wanted to follow up for those that are interested.  I included
> the original email below, but I will summarize.  I was asked to find a
> way to log where employees are going on the internet.  I took the many
> suggestions of NTop, PRTG, using NetFlow data and a reporting server,
> etc.  They worked, but not exactly the simple reporting the employer
> wanted.  What I stumbled across is a program called "Untangle."  It  
> is a
> unix load and very nicely done http://www.untangle.com.  Very secure.
> It is a transparent bridge that also does firewalling and is a content
> firewall.  I loaded it onto a 1U old Dell server they retired.  We
> turned all of the blocking rules to log, so it was totally transparent
> to the users.  It logs where each workstation went on the internet for
> about 2 months.  Now that they have collected the information, they  
> have
> confronted the employees and at least made it public they were being
> watched.  Then turned it onto blocking the sites they were wasting  
> time.
> It also now blocks the spyware that was running rampant on their
> network.
>
> Best of all, Untangle is free, and open source.  There are other "Pay
> For" devices like Barracuda Web (310) is similar, but is routinely
> maintained.  They are also great products.  Once this server outlives
> its life, they will probably move up to the Barracuda for better
> reporting and constant updates.
>
> Anyone that does want more information, I can send screenshots and/or
> answer questions should they arise later.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric Rogers
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
> (317) 831-3000 x200
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Eric Rogers
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:12 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
>
> I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary
> information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP).  They are
> looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger
> chats/passwords.  What would be ideal would be a passive device that
> acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the
> www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at
> the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it.  Maybe even amount of
> bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature.
>
>
>
> Any ideas?  I have recommended software that is a keylogger and
> recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e.
> sniffer.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Eric Rogers
>
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
>
> (317) 831-3000 x200
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

[Jeff Broadwick]

Have you looked at Netsweeper?

Jeff 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

I just wanted to follow up for those that are interested.  I included the
original email below, but I will summarize.  I was asked to find a way to
log where employees are going on the internet.  I took the many suggestions
of NTop, PRTG, using NetFlow data and a reporting server, etc.  They worked,
but not exactly the simple reporting the employer wanted.  What I stumbled
across is a program called "Untangle."  It is a unix load and very nicely
done http://www.untangle.com.  Very secure.
It is a transparent bridge that also does firewalling and is a content
firewall.  I loaded it onto a 1U old Dell server they retired.  We turned
all of the blocking rules to log, so it was totally transparent to the
users.  It logs where each workstation went on the internet for about 2
months.  Now that they have collected the information, they have confronted
the employees and at least made it public they were being watched.  Then
turned it onto blocking the sites they were wasting time.
It also now blocks the spyware that was running rampant on their network.

Best of all, Untangle is free, and open source.  There are other "Pay For"
devices like Barracuda Web (310) is similar, but is routinely maintained.
They are also great products.  Once this server outlives its life, they will
probably move up to the Barracuda for better reporting and constant updates.

Anyone that does want more information, I can send screenshots and/or answer
questions should they arise later.

Thanks,

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information
of internet activity of it's employees (by IP).  They are looking for
summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords.
What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that
either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of
the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it.
Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that
nature.

 

Any ideas?  I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder,
but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e.
sniffer.

 

Thanks,

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200





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Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Redline BH

[Kevin Suitor]

The MAX+ 3.5 with FCC approval is now available.  We have been shipping
this product worldwide since 4Q 2008.  Please check with your Redline
Certified Partner for up to date information.  I am checking on why the
brochure on the web site is still marked preliminary.

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Redline BH

These are not officially available yet. Hence the lack of information.  
I have a pair at our office for testing if anyone wants to swing by.  
Unfortunately, I can't share any results at this point.

-Matt

On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:12 AM, 3-dB Networks wrote:

> Does anyone have the spec sheet?  I see one on their website but its  
> marked
> preliminary. hoping they had something a bit more complete.
>
>
>
> Maybe someone can help answer a few questions for me:
>
>
>
> What is the max throughput roughly per channel size?
>
> What type of range are these things getting?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> 3-dB Networks
>
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
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Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

[Eric Rogers]

I just wanted to follow up for those that are interested.  I included
the original email below, but I will summarize.  I was asked to find a
way to log where employees are going on the internet.  I took the many
suggestions of NTop, PRTG, using NetFlow data and a reporting server,
etc.  They worked, but not exactly the simple reporting the employer
wanted.  What I stumbled across is a program called "Untangle."  It is a
unix load and very nicely done http://www.untangle.com.  Very secure.
It is a transparent bridge that also does firewalling and is a content
firewall.  I loaded it onto a 1U old Dell server they retired.  We
turned all of the blocking rules to log, so it was totally transparent
to the users.  It logs where each workstation went on the internet for
about 2 months.  Now that they have collected the information, they have
confronted the employees and at least made it public they were being
watched.  Then turned it onto blocking the sites they were wasting time.
It also now blocks the spyware that was running rampant on their
network.

Best of all, Untangle is free, and open source.  There are other "Pay
For" devices like Barracuda Web (310) is similar, but is routinely
maintained.  They are also great products.  Once this server outlives
its life, they will probably move up to the Barracuda for better
reporting and constant updates.

Anyone that does want more information, I can send screenshots and/or
answer questions should they arise later.

Thanks,

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary
information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP).  They are
looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger
chats/passwords.  What would be ideal would be a passive device that
acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the
www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at
the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it.  Maybe even amount of
bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature.

 

Any ideas?  I have recommended software that is a keylogger and
recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e.
sniffer.

 

Thanks,

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200





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Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Redline BH

[Matt Liotta]

These are not officially available yet. Hence the lack of information.  
I have a pair at our office for testing if anyone wants to swing by.  
Unfortunately, I can't share any results at this point.

-Matt

On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:12 AM, 3-dB Networks wrote:

> Does anyone have the spec sheet?  I see one on their website but its  
> marked
> preliminary. hoping they had something a bit more complete.
>
>
>
> Maybe someone can help answer a few questions for me:
>
>
>
> What is the max throughput roughly per channel size?
>
> What type of range are these things getting?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> 3-dB Networks
>
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Redline BH

[Gino Villarini]

The complete manual is in the fcc website

Sent from my Motorola Startac...


On Jan 23, 2009, at 9:14 AM, "3-dB Networks"  wrote:

> Does anyone have the spec sheet?  I see one on their website but its  
> marked
> preliminary. hoping they had something a bit more complete.
>
>
>
> Maybe someone can help answer a few questions for me:
>
>
>
> What is the max throughput roughly per channel size?
>
> What type of range are these things getting?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> 3-dB Networks
>
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>
>
>
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[WISPA] 3.65GHz Redline BH

[3-dB Networks]

Does anyone have the spec sheet?  I see one on their website but its marked
preliminary. hoping they had something a bit more complete.

 

Maybe someone can help answer a few questions for me:

 

What is the max throughput roughly per channel size?

What type of range are these things getting?

 

Thanks!

 

Daniel White

3-dB Networks

http://www.3dbnetworks.com

 




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