Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-03 Thread reader

It's ok.  You don't know my truck.  I do.

I've put fast ricers away on the street.   And they never try again.   That 
perfectly aimed exhaust teaches :)









insert witty tagline here

- Original Message - 
From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 Lol...16sec 1/4 won't be nearly enough to stay in front of this particular
 Excursion and I highly doubt shaved tires will bring you to 15sec.

 In fact a quick youtube search comes up with a couple high 15sec low 16sec
 Excursions in STOCK trim.

 16sec must only feel fast in a Dodge Goatgrin


 Brad



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 Grin...  My '93 wasn't quite stock, but I used to have a timeslip from a
 dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it.

 Some sticky tires would have shaved that to around 15...  And his 
 excursion
 would have been absolutely unable to stay infront of it :)

 I towed a trailer form Oregon to Wisconsin and back in '04 and truck and
 trailer were 23K combined.   Even crossing Montana at 75 - 80 still netted
 me 10.5 - 11 mpg .




 
 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 Must have a lot of 91 Dodges down there (we have a 91 Cummins...  not so
 much pep compared to the new ones).


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:03 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 My 2001 7.3L Diesel Excursion that's closing in on 180K miles still gets
 14-20mpg depending on use, how heavy my foot is and what I'm pulling. 
 It
 used to get better mileage, but after 8 years of just oil and fuel it's
 probably due for a tune up of some kind.

 It does have a custom chip  exhaust that keeps me in front of ANY 
 Diesel
 Dodge I've run across.  grin

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 Fords have terrible mileage.  Our 2008 (I think) F-550 gets about 9
 (doesn't

 pull anything).  Completely irresponsible when a stock 2006 Dodge (with
 OEM
 software upgrades) with a 2 ton camper in the bed pulls 21.5 in hilly
 terrain.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:22 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 I just bought a 2008 Ford super duty van.

 11mpg





 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-03 Thread Brad Belton
Correct, only going off of your statement of 16sec (chuckle) and putting
away a couple Civics.  That truly must be one fast Goat!   grin

Just ribb'n ya Mark.  Now back to our regular programming...

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


It's ok.  You don't know my truck.  I do.

I've put fast ricers away on the street.   And they never try again.   That 
perfectly aimed exhaust teaches :)









insert witty tagline here

- Original Message - 
From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 Lol...16sec 1/4 won't be nearly enough to stay in front of this particular
 Excursion and I highly doubt shaved tires will bring you to 15sec.

 In fact a quick youtube search comes up with a couple high 15sec low 16sec
 Excursions in STOCK trim.

 16sec must only feel fast in a Dodge Goatgrin


 Brad



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 Grin...  My '93 wasn't quite stock, but I used to have a timeslip from a
 dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it.

 Some sticky tires would have shaved that to around 15...  And his 
 excursion
 would have been absolutely unable to stay infront of it :)

 I towed a trailer form Oregon to Wisconsin and back in '04 and truck and
 trailer were 23K combined.   Even crossing Montana at 75 - 80 still netted
 me 10.5 - 11 mpg .




 
 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 Must have a lot of 91 Dodges down there (we have a 91 Cummins...  not so
 much pep compared to the new ones).


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:03 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 My 2001 7.3L Diesel Excursion that's closing in on 180K miles still gets
 14-20mpg depending on use, how heavy my foot is and what I'm pulling. 
 It
 used to get better mileage, but after 8 years of just oil and fuel it's
 probably due for a tune up of some kind.

 It does have a custom chip  exhaust that keeps me in front of ANY 
 Diesel
 Dodge I've run across.  grin

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 Fords have terrible mileage.  Our 2008 (I think) F-550 gets about 9
 (doesn't

 pull anything).  Completely irresponsible when a stock 2006 Dodge (with
 OEM
 software upgrades) with a 2 ton camper in the bed pulls 21.5 in hilly
 terrain.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:22 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 I just bought a 2008 Ford super duty van.

 11mpg







 
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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-03 Thread Josh Luthman
I am looking for a cost effective vehicle.  Anything heavy will do the
job of teaching ricers a lesson.  Like an H1.

On 2/3/09, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:
 Correct, only going off of your statement of 16sec (chuckle) and putting
 away a couple Civics.  That truly must be one fast Goat!   grin

 Just ribb'n ya Mark.  Now back to our regular programming...

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:42 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 It's ok.  You don't know my truck.  I do.

 I've put fast ricers away on the street.   And they never try again.   That
 perfectly aimed exhaust teaches :)








 
 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message -
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 Lol...16sec 1/4 won't be nearly enough to stay in front of this particular
 Excursion and I highly doubt shaved tires will bring you to 15sec.

 In fact a quick youtube search comes up with a couple high 15sec low 16sec
 Excursions in STOCK trim.

 16sec must only feel fast in a Dodge Goatgrin


 Brad



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 Grin...  My '93 wasn't quite stock, but I used to have a timeslip from a
 dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it.

 Some sticky tires would have shaved that to around 15...  And his
 excursion
 would have been absolutely unable to stay infront of it :)

 I towed a trailer form Oregon to Wisconsin and back in '04 and truck and
 trailer were 23K combined.   Even crossing Montana at 75 - 80 still netted
 me 10.5 - 11 mpg .




 
 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 Must have a lot of 91 Dodges down there (we have a 91 Cummins...  not so
 much pep compared to the new ones).


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:03 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 My 2001 7.3L Diesel Excursion that's closing in on 180K miles still gets
 14-20mpg depending on use, how heavy my foot is and what I'm pulling.
 It
 used to get better mileage, but after 8 years of just oil and fuel it's
 probably due for a tune up of some kind.

 It does have a custom chip  exhaust that keeps me in front of ANY
 Diesel
 Dodge I've run across.  grin

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 Fords have terrible mileage.  Our 2008 (I think) F-550 gets about 9
 (doesn't

 pull anything).  Completely irresponsible when a stock 2006 Dodge (with
 OEM
 software upgrades) with a 2 ton camper in the bed pulls 21.5 in hilly
 terrain.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:22 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 I just bought a 2008 Ford super duty van.

 11mpg






 
 
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[WISPA] 4.7 GHz

2009-02-03 Thread Mike Hammett
Has anyone heard anything about the 4.7 (4.4 - 5.0) GHz band?   I've heard that 
it might be made available for PtP or possibly even PtMP.


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Re: [WISPA] 4.7 GHz

2009-02-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I got this in an email from Radio Waves.  I took the enterprise 
deployments part to be something we could grab.

Update on the 4.7 GHz Band
The 4.4 - 5.0 GHz band continues to see lots of activity. Applications in 
the 4.7 GHz band are across the board from LMR (land mobile two-way radio) 
backhaul, to telemetry backhaul, to enterprise deployments (which might be 
point-to-point such as T1 replacement  or point to mutli-point.

With many federal networks in this band, the question is, where is the new 
administration going to spend its money? You have seen the news and that 
spending on infrastructure will be rather significant (Talk about Going 
Large!) We believe some of this spending will find it's way into wireless 
telecommuincations infrastructure and the 4.7 GHz band should be active over 
the next couple of years for sure.


More to follow as this potential activity becomes clearer over the next 
couple of months.



-
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From: lakel...@gbcx.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:31 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.7 GHz

 4.5 to 4.9 is federal govt in US
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net

 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:18:05
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] 4.7 GHz


 Has anyone heard anything about the 4.7 (4.4 - 5.0) GHz band?   I've heard 
 that it might be made available for PtP or possibly even PtMP.


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[WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Members] Broadband Stimulus Package - Contact yourCongressmen

2009-02-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
My congressman (actually woman) voted no on the stimulus package.  I've known 
her for years so I felt OK being more personal than I normally would.  I 
thought it important to tell her that I LIKED her vote.  Info on how to contact 
your representatives is listed below

Hi Cathy,

I just wanted to drop you a note and give you a great big THANK YOU for trying 
to stop the madness.

Keep voting against more government fraud, waste and abuse.

Once the pork barrel (er, uh, sorry, stimulus bill) gets railroaded through I 
hope you can find a way to insure that the funds go to small businesses with 
lots and lots of small projects.  Anything else will take far too long to 
actually be helpful.  Any applications will also need to be greatly streamlined 
from normal government requirements.

I would be more than happy to help in regards to my industry segment.  
(Wireless Internet Service Provider)

Thanks again for doing the right thing.

Sincerely,
Marlon K. Schafer
Owner
Odessa Office Equipment
www.odessaoffice.com

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam




To all,

 

Here are websites that you can find your US Senators and Representatives.  I 
just sent a letter to my two Senators in Indiana.  It is important that 
everyone do this and make sure the Senators understand the importance WISPs 
have had in rural broadband and how important we are in the future.  We can 
send them a more unified message as the legislative committee gets it refined.  
I think it is important to get on the radar screen early though.  Make an 
introduction of your company and your locations

 

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

 

http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.shtml

 

 

Respectfully,

 

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Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-02-03 Thread sales
Out of curiosity. What is the cost to the FCC for a 10 year 38 ghz or an 18ghz 
license?

Thanks,
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[WISPA] Letter to my senators

2009-02-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Hi All,

Here is the letter that I sent to my senators this am:
Dear Senator Cantwell,



Please vote no on the stimulus bill.  As written this bill seems 
set to mainly put pork barrel money into the hands of the large companies 
who's misuse of investment funds clearly led to the current market crash.



Giving more of MY money to the liars, cheats, and thieves on 
Wall Street will do NOTHING to make me turn loose of the hard earned money 
that I get to keep.



Please keep in mind that no company is too large to fail.  If 
they screw up they deserve to fail.  That is the only way that new, creative 
enterprises can ever get started.



The current mess we are in has far more to do with my confidence 
as a consumer than anything else.  I'll be paying off debt, building a cash 
reserve and doing without some of the nice things I'd like to have.  In a 
year or two I'll likely start spending money on fluff again.



Then again, if I have to worry about paying off a greatly 
increased government debt (or my grandkids having to pay it back) I'll hold 
on to every cent I can for as long as I can so that my family does not end 
up in even worse shape a generation or two down the road.



Again, please stop the madness!  Don't rush into a trillion 
dollar shopping spree. Vote no.



Sincerely,

Marlon K. Schafer



To send yours is easy, click here:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Select your state, then click on the link.  I typed mine in word first so 
that I could spell check it.



Once the bill passes I'll send something similar stating that they need to 
put the money into the engine that drives our economy not the rest of the 
train.  Small business makes up 95% of our economy last I knew.  (anyone 
have current numbers???)  So this package really needs to go to those small 
sub 10m per year (or is it 100m?  What is a small business?) companies not 
the fortune 500 or even 1000.



If you don't vote you can't bitch!  Get off those lazy computer geek butts 
and make your voices heard!



Fingers crossed,

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-03 Thread George Rogato
Thats a hard one Josh, cost effective.
I've been driving rigs since I got out of trade school in 76', sometimes 
being cheap on the front end is a mistake, unless you have a talent of 
finding  killer deals by chance.

For me, I enjoyed the last van I drove, it was a 98 ford long van and I 
went 10 years with nothing other than the usual maintenance.
No surprise engine or transmission problems, just reliable.
It was almost new when we bought it so we saved a few grand.
I couldn't imagine buying an older vehicle that will hand me a big 
surprise and at the worst possible time. Cause seems like that when it 
happens.

So new or almost is my choice.

I like long vans.

Long enough to slide my 10' step ladder in.
I would use a pick up truck, but the rain is a problem 1/2 the year. So 
it's a van.

As for gas millage, I have never seen a work truck thats loaded with 
equipment get better than 12 miles to the gallon.
And if you buy a light weight vehicle and load it up with a lot of 
equipment like a mini van, expect to be doing tranny work fairly often.

So it's a heavy duty vehicle which means bigger engine and low gas mileage.

One thing that will save fuel costs is scheduling service calls in an 
orderly loop if it can be done. Instead of zig zagging across town, a 
straight line. Although zig zagging sometimes can't be avoided.

George


Josh Luthman wrote:
 I am looking for a cost effective vehicle.  Anything heavy will do the
 job of teaching ricers a lesson.  Like an H1.
 
 On 2/3/09, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:
 Correct, only going off of your statement of 16sec (chuckle) and putting
 away a couple Civics.  That truly must be one fast Goat!   grin

 Just ribb'n ya Mark.  Now back to our regular programming...

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:42 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 It's ok.  You don't know my truck.  I do.

 I've put fast ricers away on the street.   And they never try again.   That
 perfectly aimed exhaust teaches :)








 
 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message -
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 Lol...16sec 1/4 won't be nearly enough to stay in front of this particular
 Excursion and I highly doubt shaved tires will bring you to 15sec.

 In fact a quick youtube search comes up with a couple high 15sec low 16sec
 Excursions in STOCK trim.

 16sec must only feel fast in a Dodge Goatgrin


 Brad



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 Grin...  My '93 wasn't quite stock, but I used to have a timeslip from a
 dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it.

 Some sticky tires would have shaved that to around 15...  And his
 excursion
 would have been absolutely unable to stay infront of it :)

 I towed a trailer form Oregon to Wisconsin and back in '04 and truck and
 trailer were 23K combined.   Even crossing Montana at 75 - 80 still netted
 me 10.5 - 11 mpg .




 
 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 Must have a lot of 91 Dodges down there (we have a 91 Cummins...  not so
 much pep compared to the new ones).


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:03 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 My 2001 7.3L Diesel Excursion that's closing in on 180K miles still gets
 14-20mpg depending on use, how heavy my foot is and what I'm pulling.
 It
 used to get better mileage, but after 8 years of just oil and fuel it's
 probably due for a tune up of some kind.

 It does have a custom chip  exhaust that keeps me in front of ANY
 Diesel
 Dodge I've run across.  grin

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 Fords have terrible mileage.  Our 2008 (I think) F-550 gets about 9
 (doesn't

 pull anything).  Completely irresponsible when a stock 2006 Dodge (with
 OEM
 software upgrades) with a 2 ton camper in the bed pulls 21.5 in hilly
 terrain.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing 

Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-02-03 Thread Brad Belton
38GHz is typically leased from a third party.  18GHz is leased directly from
the FCC.  Typically 38GHz is more expensive over the course of ten years as
opposed to 18GHz, 23GHz, 11GHz 6GHz, etc from the FCC.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:27 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] BSwas Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

Out of curiosity. What is the cost to the FCC for a 10 year 38 ghz or an
18ghz license?

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a million squaremiles covered!

2009-02-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
So much for wisps only being in rural areas!

Marlon
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- Original Message - 
From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org; 
motor...@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:24 AM
Subject: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a million squaremiles 
covered!


 Here is a fixed graphic of the National WISP map showing the lower 48
 states. I have been getting updates via email on top of what Matt sends 
 from
 the directory.  The footprint now covers 567,315 square miles! I'm still
 working out the bug that makes the circle radius on the Google Maps 
 smaller
 than the 10 mile radius. The land area calculations are done based on the 
 10
 miles.

 Help spread the word about this effort to collect data. For those who have
 drawn their coverage area in Google Earth, send me that file and I can add
 it directly to the map.


 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
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Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a millionsquaremiles covered!

2009-02-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd imagine that the rural ones are more likely to fear posting their 
coverage areas.  Silly WISPs.  ;-)

The guys on DSL Reports seem less likely to provide information as well.


-
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From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:35 AM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List 
wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a 
millionsquaremiles covered!

 So much for wisps only being in rural areas!

 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
 1999!
 o...@odessaoffice.com
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



 - Original Message - 
 From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
 To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org;
 motor...@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:24 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a million 
 squaremiles
 covered!


 Here is a fixed graphic of the National WISP map showing the lower 48
 states. I have been getting updates via email on top of what Matt sends
 from
 the directory.  The footprint now covers 567,315 square miles! I'm still
 working out the bug that makes the circle radius on the Google Maps
 smaller
 than the 10 mile radius. The land area calculations are done based on the
 10
 miles.

 Help spread the word about this effort to collect data. For those who 
 have
 drawn their coverage area in Google Earth, send me that file and I can 
 add
 it directly to the map.


 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 www.wirelessmapping.com



 




 
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Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-02-03 Thread 3-dB Networks
Generally 6GHz, 11GHz, 18GHz, and 23GHz will cost somewhere in the range of
$3k to license depending on how you go about it.  Best course of action is
to always have the company your buying the gear from do the licensing
work... it will usually be cheaper and prevent mistakes.

If your doing multiple links at the same time costs go down, as somethings
(like the RF study) can be used over the multiple links.

FCC Fees are $1290 per link... but that fee is waived for government,
non-profit, etc.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:22 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] BSwas Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

38GHz is typically leased from a third party.  18GHz is leased directly
from
the FCC.  Typically 38GHz is more expensive over the course of ten years
as
opposed to 18GHz, 23GHz, 11GHz 6GHz, etc from the FCC.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:27 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] BSwas Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

Out of curiosity. What is the cost to the FCC for a 10 year 38 ghz or an
18ghz license?

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Members] Broadband Stimulus Package - ContactyourCongressmen

2009-02-03 Thread reader
thanks Marlon.

I read a rumor about two days ago that said the Senate might not pass, as 
there's at least a couple Democrats who are rather uneasy with all the 
spending and might filibuster it.  Who knows where that goes.

I read somewhere that if we took the bailout money,  and stimulus money that 
has and is expected to be spent, and just divided it among the adults, it 
ends up to be many thousands per working person - something over 10K.   If 
we just let the banks and loans fail and instead, divided up the insurance 
,FDIC obligations, and Freddy and Fannie liabilities, and all the other 
spending among all of us, I understand it would be something like 70K for 
each household.

As it is, I understand that the only real break to people who are not either 
really rich or really poor, is a $500 check.   And heaven only knows when 
that would show up.   And we're borrowing something just less than $3000 per 
man, woman, and child to do this latest one.

I'm not exactly hopeful here.   All the long term prognosticators I read 
are now saying we're headed for certain hyperinflation.

We'd have been better off to let every bank fail that's failing, let Freddie 
and Fannie die, and then hand out the money that we're all liable for just 
to the people.   It would have been enough to restart a whole new economoy.





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- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com
To: wireless@wispa.org
Cc: w...@part-15.org; isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:46 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Members] Broadband Stimulus Package - 
ContactyourCongressmen


 My congressman (actually woman) voted no on the stimulus package.  I've 
 known her for years so I felt OK being more personal than I normally 
 would.  I thought it important to tell her that I LIKED her vote.  Info on 
 how to contact your representatives is listed below

 Hi Cathy,

 I just wanted to drop you a note and give you a great big THANK YOU for 
 trying to stop the madness.

 Keep voting against more government fraud, waste and abuse.

 Once the pork barrel (er, uh, sorry, stimulus bill) gets railroaded 
 through I hope you can find a way to insure that the funds go to small 
 businesses with lots and lots of small projects.  Anything else will take 
 far too long to actually be helpful.  Any applications will also need to 
 be greatly streamlined from normal government requirements.

 I would be more than happy to help in regards to my industry segment. 
 (Wireless Internet Service Provider)

 Thanks again for doing the right thing.

 Sincerely,
 Marlon K. Schafer
 Owner
 Odessa Office Equipment
 www.odessaoffice.com

 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
 1999!
 o...@odessaoffice.com
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam




 To all,



 Here are websites that you can find your US Senators and Representatives. 
 I just sent a letter to my two Senators in Indiana.  It is important that 
 everyone do this and make sure the Senators understand the importance 
 WISPs have had in rural broadband and how important we are in the future. 
 We can send them a more unified message as the legislative committee gets 
 it refined.  I think it is important to get on the radar screen early 
 though.  Make an introduction of your company and your locations



 http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm



 http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.shtml





 Respectfully,



 Rick Harnish





 


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[WISPA] FPL

2009-02-03 Thread Mike Hammett
Has anyone worked with Florida Power and Light?


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Re: [WISPA] Letter to my senators

2009-02-03 Thread Patrick Leary
Marlon,

I think it would have more impact if you started it with the following:
As a small business owner... 


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:38 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Cc: w...@part-15.org; isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com
Subject: [WISPA] Letter to my senators

Hi All,

Here is the letter that I sent to my senators this am:
Dear Senator Cantwell,



Please vote no on the stimulus bill.  As written this bill
seems set to mainly put pork barrel money into the hands of the large
companies who's misuse of investment funds clearly led to the current
market crash.



Giving more of MY money to the liars, cheats, and thieves on
Wall Street will do NOTHING to make me turn loose of the hard earned
money that I get to keep.



Please keep in mind that no company is too large to fail.
If they screw up they deserve to fail.  That is the only way that new,
creative enterprises can ever get started.



The current mess we are in has far more to do with my
confidence as a consumer than anything else.  I'll be paying off debt,
building a cash reserve and doing without some of the nice things I'd
like to have.  In a year or two I'll likely start spending money on
fluff again.



Then again, if I have to worry about paying off a greatly
increased government debt (or my grandkids having to pay it back) I'll
hold on to every cent I can for as long as I can so that my family does
not end up in even worse shape a generation or two down the road.



Again, please stop the madness!  Don't rush into a trillion
dollar shopping spree. Vote no.



Sincerely,

Marlon K. Schafer



To send yours is easy, click here:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Select your state, then click on the link.  I typed mine in word first
so 
that I could spell check it.



Once the bill passes I'll send something similar stating that they need
to 
put the money into the engine that drives our economy not the rest of
the 
train.  Small business makes up 95% of our economy last I knew.  (anyone

have current numbers???)  So this package really needs to go to those
small 
sub 10m per year (or is it 100m?  What is a small business?) companies
not 
the fortune 500 or even 1000.



If you don't vote you can't bitch!  Get off those lazy computer geek
butts 
and make your voices heard!



Fingers crossed,

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
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Re: [WISPA] Redundant / Alternate Backhauls

2009-02-03 Thread Mark Nash
What about OLSR instead of OSPF?  We're considering using this.  Anyone
using OLSR and using alternate backhauls?

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
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- Original Message - 
From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redundant / Alternate Backhauls


 That's scary.  I've known that Nagios can do this as well, but depends on
 the topology.  We do it manually as well, setting the far side of the
 non-active StarOS backhaul as a non-RIP-enabled router, then bridging it
 when we need it, updating routes, etc.  Takes a couple minutes.

 Mark Nash
 UnwiredWest
 78 Centennial Loop
 Suite E
 Eugene, OR 97401
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 http://www.unwiredwest.com
 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck Hogg ch...@avolutia.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redundant / Alternate Backhauls


  A student of mine that was at one of our MikroTik Trainings actually
  scripted The Dude to detect when backhauls would go down in his ring and
  reroute traffic automatically within 5 seconds.
 
 
 
  Regards,
 
  Chuck Hogg
 
  Avolutia, LLC
  502-722-9292
  ch...@avolutia.com
 
  http://www.avolutia.com
 
  http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
 
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Travis Johnson
  Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:00 PM
  To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redundant / Alternate Backhauls
 
 
 
  The only issue with the ring is being able to tell when a link has
  switched over or even worse is when a link is marginal so the link
  flaps back and forth, often causing all kinds of problems with traffic

  flows and OSPF updates.
 
  We have our backup links set that we have to switch to them manually, so
  then we know there is a problem, and we can control the traffic flow.
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  can...@believewireless.net wrote:
 
  We setup a redundant circle around our network with OSPF.  Highly
  recommend
  it.
 
  On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
  mailto:t...@ida.net  wrote:
 
 
 
  We did this with all of our critical links last summer. It was
  the
  best thing we ever did... it has saved us several times this
  winter
  already. :)
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Mark Nash wrote:
 
 
  We've been putting in redundant or alternate backhauls
  to our distros
 
 
  that have more than 20 users.  I'm curious to see how others
  feel about
  this, and when you decide to install a redundant or alternate
  backhaul to a
  tower distro?
 
 
  Mark Nash
  UnwiredWest
  78 Centennial Loop
  Suite E
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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-03 Thread reader
Well, my Caravans both were under $500 and I've gotten a lot of miles for 
that.  I've put perhaps $500 total into repairing them in the last two 
years, as well.  Of course, I do my own mechanic work.  I'm better than 
almost any shop you can find, so why would I pay for inferior work?

I guess it mostly boils down to how much depreciation you want to pay for, 
and are you willing to have down time now and then.   I just have an extra 
rig, so... no problem.   Not everyone wants to put up with that.   It's 
really a cost/return/value thing.




insert witty tagline here

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


I am looking for a cost effective vehicle.  Anything heavy will do the
 job of teaching ricers a lesson.  Like an H1.

 On 2/3/09, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:
 Correct, only going off of your statement of 16sec (chuckle) and putting
 away a couple Civics.  That truly must be one fast Goat!   grin

 Just ribb'n ya Mark.  Now back to our regular programming...

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:42 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 It's ok.  You don't know my truck.  I do.

 I've put fast ricers away on the street.   And they never try again. 
 That
 perfectly aimed exhaust teaches :)








 
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 - Original Message -
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 Lol...16sec 1/4 won't be nearly enough to stay in front of this 
 particular
 Excursion and I highly doubt shaved tires will bring you to 15sec.

 In fact a quick youtube search comes up with a couple high 15sec low 
 16sec
 Excursions in STOCK trim.

 16sec must only feel fast in a Dodge Goatgrin


 Brad



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 Grin...  My '93 wasn't quite stock, but I used to have a timeslip from 
 a
 dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it.

 Some sticky tires would have shaved that to around 15...  And his
 excursion
 would have been absolutely unable to stay infront of it :)

 I towed a trailer form Oregon to Wisconsin and back in '04 and truck and
 trailer were 23K combined.   Even crossing Montana at 75 - 80 still 
 netted
 me 10.5 - 11 mpg .




 
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 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 Must have a lot of 91 Dodges down there (we have a 91 Cummins...  not 
 so
 much pep compared to the new ones).


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
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 --
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:03 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 My 2001 7.3L Diesel Excursion that's closing in on 180K miles still 
 gets
 14-20mpg depending on use, how heavy my foot is and what I'm pulling.
 It
 used to get better mileage, but after 8 years of just oil and fuel 
 it's
 probably due for a tune up of some kind.

 It does have a custom chip  exhaust that keeps me in front of ANY
 Diesel
 Dodge I've run across.  grin

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 Fords have terrible mileage.  Our 2008 (I think) F-550 gets about 9
 (doesn't

 pull anything).  Completely irresponsible when a stock 2006 Dodge 
 (with
 OEM
 software upgrades) with a 2 ton camper in the bed pulls 21.5 in hilly
 terrain.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:22 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 I just bought a 2008 Ford super duty van.

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2009-02-03 Thread Randy Cosby
Cool use of google maps for doing radio link calculations.  The 
interface is clunky, but best I've seen so far online.

http://members.chello.at/stephen.joung/indexDistanceElevation.html


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Re: [WISPA] 4.7 GHz

2009-02-03 Thread lakeland
4.5 to 4.9 is federal govt in US
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:18:05 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] 4.7 GHz


Has anyone heard anything about the 4.7 (4.4 - 5.0) GHz band?   I've heard that 
it might be made available for PtP or possibly even PtMP.


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Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a millionsquaremiles covered!

2009-02-03 Thread Rick Harnish
Mike,

I don't post to DSL Reports, do those users even know about this effort?  Or
isp-wireless for that matter?

Thanks,
Rick

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:48 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a
millionsquaremiles covered!

I'd imagine that the rural ones are more likely to fear posting their 
coverage areas.  Silly WISPs.  ;-)

The guys on DSL Reports seem less likely to provide information as well.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:35 AM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List 
wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a 
millionsquaremiles covered!

 So much for wisps only being in rural areas!

 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
 1999!
 o...@odessaoffice.com
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



 - Original Message - 
 From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
 To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org;
 motor...@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:24 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a million 
 squaremiles
 covered!


 Here is a fixed graphic of the National WISP map showing the lower 48
 states. I have been getting updates via email on top of what Matt sends
 from
 the directory.  The footprint now covers 567,315 square miles! I'm still
 working out the bug that makes the circle radius on the Google Maps
 smaller
 than the 10 mile radius. The land area calculations are done based on the
 10
 miles.

 Help spread the word about this effort to collect data. For those who 
 have
 drawn their coverage area in Google Earth, send me that file and I can 
 add
 it directly to the map.


 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 www.wirelessmapping.com













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Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over halfa millionsquaremiles covered!

2009-02-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I posted to DSLR once.  I haven't posted on ISP-Wireless in probably 6 
years...  since I found out about Part-15.


-
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--
From: Rick Harnish rharn...@onlyinternet.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:19 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over 
halfamillionsquaremilescovered!

 Mike,

 I don't post to DSL Reports, do those users even know about this effort? 
 Or
 isp-wireless for that matter?

 Thanks,
 Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:48 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a
 millionsquaremiles covered!

 I'd imagine that the rural ones are more likely to fear posting their
 coverage areas.  Silly WISPs.  ;-)

 The guys on DSL Reports seem less likely to provide information as well.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:35 AM
 To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
 wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a
 millionsquaremiles covered!

 So much for wisps only being in rural areas!

 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
 1999!
 o...@odessaoffice.com
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



 - Original Message - 
 From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
 To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org;
 motor...@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:24 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a million
 squaremiles
 covered!


 Here is a fixed graphic of the National WISP map showing the lower 48
 states. I have been getting updates via email on top of what Matt sends
 from
 the directory.  The footprint now covers 567,315 square miles! I'm still
 working out the bug that makes the circle radius on the Google Maps
 smaller
 than the 10 mile radius. The land area calculations are done based on 
 the
 10
 miles.

 Help spread the word about this effort to collect data. For those who
 have
 drawn their coverage area in Google Earth, send me that file and I can
 add
 it directly to the map.


 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 www.wirelessmapping.com




 
 





 
 
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Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over halfa millionsquaremiles covered!

2009-02-03 Thread Brian Webster
Rick,
I did post to DSL reports yesterday with an update today. I haven't ever
been on the isp-wireless list. If someone wants to post there I'd be happy
to write something up.



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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 12:20 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over halfa
millionsquaremiles covered!


Mike,

I don't post to DSL Reports, do those users even know about this effort?  Or
isp-wireless for that matter?

Thanks,
Rick

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:48 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a
millionsquaremiles covered!

I'd imagine that the rural ones are more likely to fear posting their
coverage areas.  Silly WISPs.  ;-)

The guys on DSL Reports seem less likely to provide information as well.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:35 AM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a
millionsquaremiles covered!

 So much for wisps only being in rural areas!

 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
 1999!
 o...@odessaoffice.com
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



 - Original Message -
 From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
 To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org;
 motor...@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:24 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a million
 squaremiles
 covered!


 Here is a fixed graphic of the National WISP map showing the lower 48
 states. I have been getting updates via email on top of what Matt sends
 from
 the directory.  The footprint now covers 567,315 square miles! I'm still
 working out the bug that makes the circle radius on the Google Maps
 smaller
 than the 10 mile radius. The land area calculations are done based on the
 10
 miles.

 Help spread the word about this effort to collect data. For those who
 have
 drawn their coverage area in Google Earth, send me that file and I can
 add
 it directly to the map.


 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 www.wirelessmapping.com













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[WISPA] WPA issues with High Gain Antennas

2009-02-03 Thread Mike Hammett
If anyone is having WPA issues with High Gain Antennas connected to Mikrotik, 
let me know.  The vendor wants to get everyone pooled together to solve this.

The problem we're experiencing is:

18:01:39 wireless,info 00:18:D2:00:36:2...@lou Faivre - East: disconnected, 
group key exchange timeout 
18:01:39 wireless,info 00:18:D2:00:36:5...@lou Faivre - East: disconnected, 
group key exchange timeout 
18:01:40 wireless,info 00:18:D2:00:51:d...@lou Faivre - West: disconnected, 
group key exchange timeout 
18:01:40 wireless,info 00:18:D2:00:36:2...@lou Faivre - East: connected 
18:01:40 wireless,info 00:18:D2:00:36:5...@lou Faivre - East: connected 
18:01:41 wireless,info 00:18:D2:00:51:d...@lou Faivre - West: connected 
18:03:46 wireless,info 00:18:D2:00:51:d...@lou Faivre - West: reassociating 
18:03:46 wireless,info 00:18:D2:00:51:d...@lou Faivre - West: disconnected, ok 
18:03:46 wireless,info 00:18:D2:00:51:d...@lou Faivre - West: connected 
18:06:39 wireless,info 00:18:D2:00:36:5...@lou Faivre - East: disconnected, 
group key exchange timeout 
18:06:39 wireless,info 00:18:D2:00:36:2...@lou Faivre - East: disconnected, 
group key exchange timeout 
18:06:40 wireless,info 00:18:D2:00:51:d...@lou Faivre - West: disconnected, 
group key exchange timeout 
18:06:40 wireless,info 00:18:D2:00:36:5...@lou Faivre - East: connected 
18:06:40 wireless,info 00:18:D2:00:36:2...@lou Faivre - East: connected 
18:06:41 wireless,info 00:18:D2:00:51:d...@lou Faivre - West: connected 



All High Gain Antennas CPE are dropping every 5 minutes on the nose.  Other 
brands of CPE aren't having this issue.


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[WISPA] Lobbying Update February 3, 2008

2009-02-03 Thread Rick Harnish
I thought I would take a few minutes and update everyone on the status of
the work that has been done throughout the weekend and last few days.

 

The Board has hired Rini-Coran to represent WISPA through this Broadband
Stimulus Legislation and Rulemaking time period, which may be one month or
may be six, no one really knows.

 

The Legislative Committee which is Chaired by Tom DeReggi worked through the
weekend developing our talking points and strategy.  They held a conference
call with Steve Coran on Monday.  Steve worked late last night writing a
first draft of a letter to be sent to House and Senate Leadership positions.
The letter was sent to the Legislative committee and the Board for editing
and was finalized today.

 

The letters have been put on WISPA letterhead, have been signed and sent to
all Leadership positions in the House and Senate via fax a few minutes ago.

 

Tom and Steve will be working on a letter to send out to the membership
later this evening.  This email should include Talking Points to which
each of you can call your local Senator offices tomorrow and tell them about
your business, WISPA and what we (WISPA) would like to see.

 

This quote is from Steve Coran a few minutes ago.  The Legislative
Committee members are to be congratulated for the enormous amount of
volunteer time and effort they have put into this.  It may look like a
simple two-page letter and a one-page set of talking points, but we all know
that it took a lot of thoughtful and intelligent debate, writing and editing
to produce a position that reflects the importance of the legislation to
WISPA.  This is just the first step, but I am personally very thankful to
Tom for his leadership and to all of the Committee members for their
cooperation and contributions under some very tight time frames.

 

Thanks to all who have helped by sending money, donating time or have helped
in any other way such as calling or writing your Congressmen or Senators.

 

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Money is so tight and loans are out of the question for such a young
company.  I do agree getting new or near new vehicle is the best option to
avoid being truckless or vanless.

I think for this upcoming week we'll just find some junker and make sure it
at least runs so have a spare vehicle but in the future just have a new
machine ready to go.  I don't see a clear line between truck and van so I
think we'll just look for the best deal at the time.  Hopefully those new
Dodge trucks with the remote locked cabinets come down soon =)

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:55 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote:

 Dodge Caravans are indeed good under-rated vehicles. We used to have one
 and kept it till the automatic transmission broke, which is apparently
 inevitable. Our had racks inside, roof rack, all white, big logo, etc...

 The 4cyl and small-v6 ones are quite efficient. FWD with snow tires are
 unstoppable, and some have AWD as well.

 Growing up, we had caravans as family vehicles and hauled a huge amount
 of stuff in them when necessary. I drove it on the highway for 7 hours
 once before needing to gas up.

 Most of us are mechanically inclined, but I'd rather my guys be out
 doing stuff for customers or making the company money rather than
 tinkering with vehicles. We work with local independent mechanics when
 we need something fixed. We tend to have enough vehicles that if one is
 out of service for a couple days, all the work can still get done.
 I treat personal transportation the same way; instead of 2 newish cars,
 we have 3-4 used cars and if one's broken for a while, no big deal.

 Excise tax in Maine on new cars is obscene and is based on sticker
 price; something with a $35000 sticker will cost about $1000 in excise
 tax the first year, plus sales tax, etc...

 On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 10:15:00AM -0800, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
  Well, my Caravans both were under $500 and I've gotten a lot of miles for
  that.  I've put perhaps $500 total into repairing them in the last two
  years, as well.  Of course, I do my own mechanic work.  I'm better than
  almost any shop you can find, so why would I pay for inferior work?
 
  I guess it mostly boils down to how much depreciation you want to pay
 for,
  and are you willing to have down time now and then.   I just have an
 extra
  rig, so... no problem.   Not everyone wants to put up with that.   It's
  really a cost/return/value thing.
 
 
 
  
  insert witty tagline here
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
 
 
  I am looking for a cost effective vehicle.  Anything heavy will do the
   job of teaching ricers a lesson.  Like an H1.
  
   On 2/3/09, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:
   Correct, only going off of your statement of 16sec (chuckle) and
 putting
   away a couple Civics.  That truly must be one fast Goat!   grin
  
   Just ribb'n ya Mark.  Now back to our regular programming...
  
   Best,
  
  
   Brad
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
   Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
   Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:42 AM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
  
  
   It's ok.  You don't know my truck.  I do.
  
   I've put fast ricers away on the street.   And they never try again.
   That
   perfectly aimed exhaust teaches :)
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   
   insert witty tagline here
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
   To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
   Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:07 PM
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
  
  
   Lol...16sec 1/4 won't be nearly enough to stay in front of this
   particular
   Excursion and I highly doubt shaved tires will bring you to 15sec.
  
   In fact a quick youtube search comes up with a couple high 15sec low
   16sec
   Excursions in STOCK trim.
  
   16sec must only feel fast in a Dodge Goatgrin
  
  
   Brad
  
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
   Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
   Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:15 PM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
  
   Grin...  My '93 wasn't quite stock, but I used to have a timeslip
 from
   a
   dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it.
  
   Some sticky tires would have shaved that to around 15...  And his
   excursion
   would have been absolutely unable to stay infront of it :)
  
   I towed a trailer form Oregon to Wisconsin and back in '04 and 

Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-02-03 Thread Charles Wu
Generally 6GHz, 11GHz, 18GHz, and 23GHz will cost somewhere in the range of
$3k to license depending on how you go about it.  Best course of action is
to always have the company your buying the gear from do the licensing
work... it will usually be cheaper and prevent mistakes.

Wow...$3k?  Assuming $1300 in FCC fees -- that's still $1,700 for licensing 
services

(NOTE TO SELF: time to end that $595 Part 101 licensing promo)

-Charles

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[WISPA] Lost routes...

2009-02-03 Thread Mark McElvy
I am running 5 MT AP's, 2 are 3.x and 3 are 2.9.50, all are running OSPF
and PPPoE. Clients are mostly Tranzeo CPQ and SL2 with a few Ubiquity
NS2. On only ONE of the 2.9 AP's, I randomly loose the route to the
customer. The log will show a PPPoE disconnect, the route will go away,
but the PPPoE session will still show in the active connections window.
If I disconnect the active session the client will reconnect.

 

Any thoughts?

 

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Re: [WISPA] Neat site..

2009-02-03 Thread Josh Luthman
That is an amazing website!

I would like to see it for 5.8, though =(

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote:

 Cool use of google maps for doing radio link calculations.  The
 interface is clunky, but best I've seen so far online.

 http://members.chello.at/stephen.joung/indexDistanceElevation.html


 --
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 Vice President
 InfoWest, Inc

 work: 435-773-6071
 email: rco...@infowest.com

 http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby




 
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Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over halfa millionsquaremiles covered!

2009-02-03 Thread Rick Harnish
Write it up, I can post there.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over halfa
millionsquaremiles covered!

Rick,
I did post to DSL reports yesterday with an update today. I haven't
ever
been on the isp-wireless list. If someone wants to post there I'd be happy
to write something up.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
Cooperstown, NY 13326
(607) 643-4055 Office
(607) 435-3988 Mobile
(208) 692-1898 Fax
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 12:20 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over halfa
millionsquaremiles covered!


Mike,

I don't post to DSL Reports, do those users even know about this effort?  Or
isp-wireless for that matter?

Thanks,
Rick

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:48 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a
millionsquaremiles covered!

I'd imagine that the rural ones are more likely to fear posting their
coverage areas.  Silly WISPs.  ;-)

The guys on DSL Reports seem less likely to provide information as well.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



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From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:35 AM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a
millionsquaremiles covered!

 So much for wisps only being in rural areas!

 Marlon
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 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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 - Original Message -
 From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
 To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org;
 motor...@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:24 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a million
 squaremiles
 covered!


 Here is a fixed graphic of the National WISP map showing the lower 48
 states. I have been getting updates via email on top of what Matt sends
 from
 the directory.  The footprint now covers 567,315 square miles! I'm still
 working out the bug that makes the circle radius on the Google Maps
 smaller
 than the 10 mile radius. The land area calculations are done based on the
 10
 miles.

 Help spread the word about this effort to collect data. For those who
 have
 drawn their coverage area in Google Earth, send me that file and I can
 add
 it directly to the map.


 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 www.wirelessmapping.com













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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-03 Thread jp
Dodge Caravans are indeed good under-rated vehicles. We used to have one 
and kept it till the automatic transmission broke, which is apparently 
inevitable. Our had racks inside, roof rack, all white, big logo, etc... 

The 4cyl and small-v6 ones are quite efficient. FWD with snow tires are 
unstoppable, and some have AWD as well.

Growing up, we had caravans as family vehicles and hauled a huge amount 
of stuff in them when necessary. I drove it on the highway for 7 hours 
once before needing to gas up.

Most of us are mechanically inclined, but I'd rather my guys be out 
doing stuff for customers or making the company money rather than 
tinkering with vehicles. We work with local independent mechanics when 
we need something fixed. We tend to have enough vehicles that if one is 
out of service for a couple days, all the work can still get done. 
I treat personal transportation the same way; instead of 2 newish cars, 
we have 3-4 used cars and if one's broken for a while, no big deal.

Excise tax in Maine on new cars is obscene and is based on sticker 
price; something with a $35000 sticker will cost about $1000 in excise 
tax the first year, plus sales tax, etc...

On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 10:15:00AM -0800, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 Well, my Caravans both were under $500 and I've gotten a lot of miles for 
 that.  I've put perhaps $500 total into repairing them in the last two 
 years, as well.  Of course, I do my own mechanic work.  I'm better than 
 almost any shop you can find, so why would I pay for inferior work?
 
 I guess it mostly boils down to how much depreciation you want to pay for, 
 and are you willing to have down time now and then.   I just have an extra 
 rig, so... no problem.   Not everyone wants to put up with that.   It's 
 really a cost/return/value thing.
 
 
 
 
 insert witty tagline here
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
 
 
 I am looking for a cost effective vehicle.  Anything heavy will do the
  job of teaching ricers a lesson.  Like an H1.
 
  On 2/3/09, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:
  Correct, only going off of your statement of 16sec (chuckle) and putting
  away a couple Civics.  That truly must be one fast Goat!   grin
 
  Just ribb'n ya Mark.  Now back to our regular programming...
 
  Best,
 
 
  Brad
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:42 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
 
 
  It's ok.  You don't know my truck.  I do.
 
  I've put fast ricers away on the street.   And they never try again. 
  That
  perfectly aimed exhaust teaches :)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
  insert witty tagline here
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
  To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
 
 
  Lol...16sec 1/4 won't be nearly enough to stay in front of this 
  particular
  Excursion and I highly doubt shaved tires will bring you to 15sec.
 
  In fact a quick youtube search comes up with a couple high 15sec low 
  16sec
  Excursions in STOCK trim.
 
  16sec must only feel fast in a Dodge Goatgrin
 
 
  Brad
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
  Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:15 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
 
  Grin...  My '93 wasn't quite stock, but I used to have a timeslip from 
  a
  dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it.
 
  Some sticky tires would have shaved that to around 15...  And his
  excursion
  would have been absolutely unable to stay infront of it :)
 
  I towed a trailer form Oregon to Wisconsin and back in '04 and truck and
  trailer were 23K combined.   Even crossing Montana at 75 - 80 still 
  netted
  me 10.5 - 11 mpg .
 
 
 
 
  
  insert witty tagline here
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
 
 
  Must have a lot of 91 Dodges down there (we have a 91 Cummins...  not 
  so
  much pep compared to the new ones).
 
 
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
  --
  From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
  Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:03 PM
  To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
 
  My 2001 7.3L Diesel Excursion that's closing in on 180K miles still 
 

Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-02-03 Thread Charles Wu
38GHz is typically leased from a third party.  18GHz is leased directly from
the FCC.  Typically 38GHz is more expensive over the course of ten years as
opposed to 18GHz, 23GHz, 11GHz 6GHz, etc from the FCC.

Adding onto Brad's point -- 38 GHz falls under owned spectrum (stuff that's 
been auctioned)

Part 101, which is the FCC Rules pertaining to point-to-point microwave 
backhauls, covers primarily 6, 11, 18  23 GHz

-Charles


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:27 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] BSwas Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

Out of curiosity. What is the cost to the FCC for a 10 year 38 ghz or an
18ghz license?

Thanks,
John Buwa




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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-03 Thread John Thomas
It may be worthwhile to consider a Dodge/Mercedes/Freightliner Sprinter 
Van. The drawback is that they have a high roof line, but they do get 20 
+ mpg in motorhome trim, and 25-30 mpg bare. They are Diesel and the 
engines are supposed to be good for 400,000 - 500,000 miles.

John


George Rogato wrote:
 Thats a hard one Josh, cost effective.
 I've been driving rigs since I got out of trade school in 76', sometimes 
 being cheap on the front end is a mistake, unless you have a talent of 
 finding  killer deals by chance.

 For me, I enjoyed the last van I drove, it was a 98 ford long van and I 
 went 10 years with nothing other than the usual maintenance.
 No surprise engine or transmission problems, just reliable.
 It was almost new when we bought it so we saved a few grand.
 I couldn't imagine buying an older vehicle that will hand me a big 
 surprise and at the worst possible time. Cause seems like that when it 
 happens.

 So new or almost is my choice.

 I like long vans.

 Long enough to slide my 10' step ladder in.
 I would use a pick up truck, but the rain is a problem 1/2 the year. So 
 it's a van.

 As for gas millage, I have never seen a work truck thats loaded with 
 equipment get better than 12 miles to the gallon.
 And if you buy a light weight vehicle and load it up with a lot of 
 equipment like a mini van, expect to be doing tranny work fairly often.

 So it's a heavy duty vehicle which means bigger engine and low gas mileage.

 One thing that will save fuel costs is scheduling service calls in an 
 orderly loop if it can be done. Instead of zig zagging across town, a 
 straight line. Although zig zagging sometimes can't be avoided.

 George


 Josh Luthman wrote:
   
 I am looking for a cost effective vehicle.  Anything heavy will do the
 job of teaching ricers a lesson.  Like an H1.

 On 2/3/09, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:
 
 Correct, only going off of your statement of 16sec (chuckle) and putting
 away a couple Civics.  That truly must be one fast Goat!   grin

 Just ribb'n ya Mark.  Now back to our regular programming...

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:42 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 It's ok.  You don't know my truck.  I do.

 I've put fast ricers away on the street.   And they never try again.   That
 perfectly aimed exhaust teaches :)








 
 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message -
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


   
 Lol...16sec 1/4 won't be nearly enough to stay in front of this particular
 Excursion and I highly doubt shaved tires will bring you to 15sec.

 In fact a quick youtube search comes up with a couple high 15sec low 16sec
 Excursions in STOCK trim.

 16sec must only feel fast in a Dodge Goatgrin


 Brad



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 Grin...  My '93 wasn't quite stock, but I used to have a timeslip from a
 dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it.

 Some sticky tires would have shaved that to around 15...  And his
 excursion
 would have been absolutely unable to stay infront of it :)

 I towed a trailer form Oregon to Wisconsin and back in '04 and truck and
 trailer were 23K combined.   Even crossing Montana at 75 - 80 still netted
 me 10.5 - 11 mpg .




 
 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 
 Must have a lot of 91 Dodges down there (we have a 91 Cummins...  not so
 much pep compared to the new ones).


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:03 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

   
 My 2001 7.3L Diesel Excursion that's closing in on 180K miles still gets
 14-20mpg depending on use, how heavy my foot is and what I'm pulling.
 It
 used to get better mileage, but after 8 years of just oil and fuel it's
 probably due for a tune up of some kind.

 It does have a custom chip  exhaust that keeps me in front of ANY
 Diesel
 Dodge I've run across.  grin

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Monday, 

Re: [WISPA] National Map Update - 579,154 square miles covered

2009-02-03 Thread John Thomas
Brian, I entered 2400 Camino Ramon San Ramon CA and got part of circles 
in the coverage area. I will assume that is NextWeb/Covadwireless's 
footprint.
They have a coverage map at 
http://www.covadwireless.com/network-coverage-maps.html#sanfrancisco if 
that helps.

John


Brian Webster wrote:
 I received about 10 different WISP network update files today, keep them
 coming folks! Here is the latest map.

 http://www.wirelessmapping.com/National%20Map.htm


 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 www.wirelessmapping.com
   
 



 
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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-03 Thread George Rogato
I bought a ford and they financed it. No interest.
I'm pretty certain they are working deals to get them sold.
Supposedly the truck I bought had a sticker and is worth 29k and I got 
it for 23k.

And some of that money we all have been talking about:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090204/ap_on_go_co/congress_stimulus


Josh Luthman wrote:
 Money is so tight and loans are out of the question for such a young
 company.  I do agree getting new or near new vehicle is the best option to
 avoid being truckless or vanless.
 
 I think for this upcoming week we'll just find some junker and make sure it
 at least runs so have a spare vehicle but in the future just have a new
 machine ready to go.  I don't see a clear line between truck and van so I
 think we'll just look for the best deal at the time.  Hopefully those new
 Dodge trucks with the remote locked cabinets come down soon =)
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer
 
 
 On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:55 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote:
 
 Dodge Caravans are indeed good under-rated vehicles. We used to have one
 and kept it till the automatic transmission broke, which is apparently
 inevitable. Our had racks inside, roof rack, all white, big logo, etc...

 The 4cyl and small-v6 ones are quite efficient. FWD with snow tires are
 unstoppable, and some have AWD as well.

 Growing up, we had caravans as family vehicles and hauled a huge amount
 of stuff in them when necessary. I drove it on the highway for 7 hours
 once before needing to gas up.

 Most of us are mechanically inclined, but I'd rather my guys be out
 doing stuff for customers or making the company money rather than
 tinkering with vehicles. We work with local independent mechanics when
 we need something fixed. We tend to have enough vehicles that if one is
 out of service for a couple days, all the work can still get done.
 I treat personal transportation the same way; instead of 2 newish cars,
 we have 3-4 used cars and if one's broken for a while, no big deal.

 Excise tax in Maine on new cars is obscene and is based on sticker
 price; something with a $35000 sticker will cost about $1000 in excise
 tax the first year, plus sales tax, etc...

 On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 10:15:00AM -0800, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 Well, my Caravans both were under $500 and I've gotten a lot of miles for
 that.  I've put perhaps $500 total into repairing them in the last two
 years, as well.  Of course, I do my own mechanic work.  I'm better than
 almost any shop you can find, so why would I pay for inferior work?

 I guess it mostly boils down to how much depreciation you want to pay
 for,
 and are you willing to have down time now and then.   I just have an
 extra
 rig, so... no problem.   Not everyone wants to put up with that.   It's
 really a cost/return/value thing.



 
 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 I am looking for a cost effective vehicle.  Anything heavy will do the
 job of teaching ricers a lesson.  Like an H1.

 On 2/3/09, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:
 Correct, only going off of your statement of 16sec (chuckle) and
 putting
 away a couple Civics.  That truly must be one fast Goat!   grin

 Just ribb'n ya Mark.  Now back to our regular programming...

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:42 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 It's ok.  You don't know my truck.  I do.

 I've put fast ricers away on the street.   And they never try again.
 That
 perfectly aimed exhaust teaches :)








 
 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message -
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 Lol...16sec 1/4 won't be nearly enough to stay in front of this
 particular
 Excursion and I highly doubt shaved tires will bring you to 15sec.

 In fact a quick youtube search comes up with a couple high 15sec low
 16sec
 Excursions in STOCK trim.

 16sec must only feel fast in a Dodge Goatgrin


 Brad



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 Grin...  My '93 wasn't quite stock, but I used to have a timeslip
 from
 a
 dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it.

 Some sticky 

[WISPA] Trango PoEs

2009-02-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Is it save to use the PacWireless 24v reverse units for the Trango
5800/5830/900 APs and SUs?

I used to order Trango PoEs along side the radio, along with the mounting
bolts/plates.  We have dozens, if not hundreds, of the bolts and plates but
the PoEs are in short supply.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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--- Henry Spencer



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Re: [WISPA] Trango PoEs

2009-02-03 Thread Travis Johnson
Yes, we have been using them for 3-4 years. They work great.

Travis
Microserv

Josh Luthman wrote:
 Is it save to use the PacWireless 24v reverse units for the Trango
 5800/5830/900 APs and SUs?

 I used to order Trango PoEs along side the radio, along with the mounting
 bolts/plates.  We have dozens, if not hundreds, of the bolts and plates but
 the PoEs are in short supply.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 
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Re: [WISPA] Trango PoEs

2009-02-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Somehow I just knew you would be the one to answer this =)

Thank you very much!!!

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On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

 Yes, we have been using them for 3-4 years. They work great.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Josh Luthman wrote:
  Is it save to use the PacWireless 24v reverse units for the Trango
  5800/5830/900 APs and SUs?
 
  I used to order Trango PoEs along side the radio, along with the mounting
  bolts/plates.  We have dozens, if not hundreds, of the bolts and plates
 but
  the PoEs are in short supply.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
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Re: [WISPA] Trango PoEs

2009-02-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
Trango factory POE are very inexpensive now in 10 packs.
We prefer to stay with the Trango ones.

Yes, the Pac 24V reverse units are compatible with the Trangos.
(PS, all the Trangos come with 24v PowerSupply now, even though Foxes used 
to come with 20V)

There is one benefit to the Pac ones, that justify the extra $5 cost, is it 
uses a rugged power cord plug style,
Apposed to a small din pin, that customers often break.

Tom DeReggi
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IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:12 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Trango PoEs


 Is it save to use the PacWireless 24v reverse units for the Trango
 5800/5830/900 APs and SUs?

 I used to order Trango PoEs along side the radio, along with the mounting
 bolts/plates.  We have dozens, if not hundreds, of the bolts and plates 
 but
 the PoEs are in short supply.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Trango PoEs

2009-02-03 Thread Travis Johnson




Tom,

Are the newest Trango PoE units also grounded like the Pac units (with
the power cord)? We have fixed many customers that kept blowing
ethernet ports on routers by switching to the Pac PoE units.

Travis
Microserv

Tom DeReggi wrote:

  Trango factory POE are very inexpensive now in 10 packs.
We prefer to stay with the Trango ones.

Yes, the Pac 24V reverse units are compatible with the Trangos.
(PS, all the Trangos come with 24v PowerSupply now, even though Foxes used 
to come with 20V)

There is one benefit to the Pac ones, that justify the extra $5 cost, is it 
uses a rugged power cord plug style,
Apposed to a small din pin, that customers often break.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:12 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Trango PoEs


  
  
Is it save to use the PacWireless 24v reverse units for the Trango
5800/5830/900 APs and SUs?

I used to order Trango PoEs along side the radio, along with the mounting
bolts/plates.  We have dozens, if not hundreds, of the bolts and plates 
but
the PoEs are in short supply.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Trango PoEs

2009-02-03 Thread Josh Luthman
As I only go on installs on a needed basis (when someone needs a hand,
someone is learning, etc) I don't think of those picky things - but I do
HATE wall warts versus the nice NEMA5-15 and grounding can never be a bad
thing!

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Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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Troy, OH 45373

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On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

  Tom,

 Are the newest Trango PoE units also grounded like the Pac units (with the
 power cord)? We have fixed many customers that kept blowing ethernet ports
 on routers by switching to the Pac PoE units.

 Travis
 Microserv


 Tom DeReggi wrote:

 Trango factory POE are very inexpensive now in 10 packs.
 We prefer to stay with the Trango ones.

 Yes, the Pac 24V reverse units are compatible with the Trangos.
 (PS, all the Trangos come with 24v PowerSupply now, even though Foxes used
 to come with 20V)

 There is one benefit to the Pac ones, that justify the extra $5 cost, is it
 uses a rugged power cord plug style,
 Apposed to a small din pin, that customers often break.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:12 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Trango PoEs




  Is it save to use the PacWireless 24v reverse units for the Trango
 5800/5830/900 APs and SUs?

 I used to order Trango PoEs along side the radio, along with the mounting
 bolts/plates.  We have dozens, if not hundreds, of the bolts and plates
 but
 the PoEs are in short supply.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

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 --- Henry Spencer


 
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Re: [WISPA] Letter to the Ones!

2009-02-03 Thread Scottie Arnett

-- Original Message --
From: Rick Harnish rharn...@onlyinternet.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Tue, 3 Feb 2009 16:23:10 -0500

Write it up, I can post there.


Individuals that do have access to landline or cable that would rather use cell 
phone(not 3G), satellite, and our wireless for their needs! We are firstline 
providers. Not the OTHER guys.

Rural AreasÂ…I have a problem with, as I live and operate in one. Hope to follow 
up with you on it.

Scottie


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