Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter
Are you in the Internet Bizz ? :-) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Pardon my ignorance, but what is twitter? (I guess I could google it, but the name sounds like it would bring up too many abstracts.) Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:49:24 -0600 I was thinking about it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:08 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Just curious if anyone other than myself (@tetherow) and Peter R (@radinfo) use twitter. - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter
Yep, providing it. That doesn't mean I know or use everything that is on it. Kinda link assuming a librarian has read every book in the library. So, I will ask, too, just what is twitter? Gino Villarini wrote: Are you in the Internet Bizz ? :-) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Pardon my ignorance, but what is twitter? (I guess I could google it, but the name sounds like it would bring up too many abstracts.) Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:49:24 -0600 I was thinking about it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:08 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Just curious if anyone other than myself (@tetherow) and Peter R (@radinfo) use twitter. - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.2/1965 - Release Date: 02/21/09 15:36:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter
First hit on google and the 4-5 next hits state its a social networking micro blog system. Would taken you less time to try a google search then asking on the list. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:36:32 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Yep, providing it. That doesn't mean I know or use everything that is on it. Kinda link assuming a librarian has read every book in the library. So, I will ask, too, just what is twitter? Gino Villarini wrote: Are you in the Internet Bizz ? :-) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Pardon my ignorance, but what is twitter? (I guess I could google it, but the name sounds like it would bring up too many abstracts.) Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:49:24 -0600 I was thinking about it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:08 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Just curious if anyone other than myself (@tetherow) and Peter R (@radinfo) use twitter. - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.2/1965 - Release Date: 02/21/09 15:36:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter
Use this link.. it will give you all the information you need to know about twitter: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=twitter But really, I know what Scott is saying. Since becoming a provider/ fixer of the net I rarely have time to _use_ it. ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Feb 22, 2009, at 10:47 AM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: First hit on google and the 4-5 next hits state its a social networking micro blog system. Would taken you less time to try a google search then asking on the list. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:36:32 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Yep, providing it. That doesn't mean I know or use everything that is on it. Kinda link assuming a librarian has read every book in the library. So, I will ask, too, just what is twitter? Gino Villarini wrote: Are you in the Internet Bizz ? :-) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Pardon my ignorance, but what is twitter? (I guess I could google it, but the name sounds like it would bring up too many abstracts.) Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:49:24 -0600 I was thinking about it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:08 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Just curious if anyone other than myself (@tetherow) and Peter R (@radinfo) use twitter. - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.2/1965 - Release Date: 02/21/09 15:36:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter
Back in the days, highly active distributed offices used, as an improvement on telegraph lines, (read that Railroad stations or Associated Press offices) they had order wires where some were on audio and some on teletypes and it was like the current Nextel walkie-talkie where, if anyone talked with an outburst like: ...anyone got a thingamajig available?, then everyone would hear immediately. You can set up Twitter like that and have the message delivered to others' cell by SMS or e-mail, etc., and it doesn't require paying Nextel and it's ad-hoc and flexible and can be set up in a minute and you can control who takes part. Most use is social fun but it has the value for organizing a distributed group efficiently, as well, and the nice part is that you don't have to write down what the loudspeaker blurts out to check the part number or rip a 6 sheet off the teletype and stuff it in your pocket. Am I old? Yeah. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:32 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Use this link.. it will give you all the information you need to know about twitter: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=twitter But really, I know what Scott is saying. Since becoming a provider/ fixer of the net I rarely have time to _use_ it. ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Feb 22, 2009, at 10:47 AM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: First hit on google and the 4-5 next hits state its a social networking micro blog system. Would taken you less time to try a google search then asking on the list. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:36:32 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Yep, providing it. That doesn't mean I know or use everything that is on it. Kinda link assuming a librarian has read every book in the library. So, I will ask, too, just what is twitter? Gino Villarini wrote: Are you in the Internet Bizz ? :-) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Pardon my ignorance, but what is twitter? (I guess I could google it, but the name sounds like it would bring up too many abstracts.) Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:49:24 -0600 I was thinking about it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:08 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Just curious if anyone other than myself (@tetherow) and Peter R (@radinfo) use twitter. --- -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- -- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter
IMHO Part of the Job requires to keep updated on apps and uses of the Net The librarian at least should now about the latest and greatest books Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Yep, providing it. That doesn't mean I know or use everything that is on it. Kinda link assuming a librarian has read every book in the library. So, I will ask, too, just what is twitter? Gino Villarini wrote: Are you in the Internet Bizz ? :-) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Pardon my ignorance, but what is twitter? (I guess I could google it, but the name sounds like it would bring up too many abstracts.) Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:49:24 -0600 I was thinking about it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:08 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Just curious if anyone other than myself (@tetherow) and Peter R (@radinfo) use twitter. - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - -- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.2/1965 - Release Date: 02/21/09 15:36:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter
Often times I see librarians ask other librarians about books they see being checked out.. :) HA! *poke* ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Feb 22, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: IMHO Part of the Job requires to keep updated on apps and uses of the Net The librarian at least should now about the latest and greatest books Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Yep, providing it. That doesn't mean I know or use everything that is on it. Kinda link assuming a librarian has read every book in the library. So, I will ask, too, just what is twitter? Gino Villarini wrote: Are you in the Internet Bizz ? :-) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Pardon my ignorance, but what is twitter? (I guess I could google it, but the name sounds like it would bring up too many abstracts.) Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:49:24 -0600 I was thinking about it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:08 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Just curious if anyone other than myself (@tetherow) and Peter R (@radinfo) use twitter. - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - -- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.2/1965 - Release Date: 02/21/09 15:36:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter
I was going to add a smarta... Comment but ... Lets leave it there My advice is to keep up with technology, if you are selling it. .. Don't become a dinosaur cause we all know what happend to them Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Often times I see librarians ask other librarians about books they see being checked out.. :) HA! *poke* ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Feb 22, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: IMHO Part of the Job requires to keep updated on apps and uses of the Net The librarian at least should now about the latest and greatest books Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Yep, providing it. That doesn't mean I know or use everything that is on it. Kinda link assuming a librarian has read every book in the library. So, I will ask, too, just what is twitter? Gino Villarini wrote: Are you in the Internet Bizz ? :-) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Pardon my ignorance, but what is twitter? (I guess I could google it, but the name sounds like it would bring up too many abstracts.) Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:49:24 -0600 I was thinking about it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:08 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Just curious if anyone other than myself (@tetherow) and Peter R (@radinfo) use twitter. --- - - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - -- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.2/1965 - Release Date: 02/21/09 15:36:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
[WISPA] WISPA Newspaper Article
Its only the Scottsbluff StarHerald, but this was a nice write-up anyway http://www.starherald.com/articles/2009/02/22/news/local_news/doc49a0d84daaead679125026.txt Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter
I have to disagree somewhat. I provide an avenue to the internet. What you do on it I could care less about unless its going to get me and/or you in trouble. These social networking places pop up new from day to day. Tomorrow there will be a Spitters social network for people that chew tobacco. Why should I know all about these places? If I know about them, my customers expect me to provide support for them. I have calls all the time with why won't my username/pass get me into hotmail, yahoo, myspace, gmail, etc... I have to explain that I have no control over those places and they need to find a place to get a hold of their support to fix the problem. Then they ask, how do I do that...I can't get into my place whatever free email provider email. I say, Use the email that we provide to you FREE OF CHARGE with your account, and I can help you with support on that. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:25:41 -0400 I was going to add a smarta... Comment but ... Lets leave it there My advice is to keep up with technology, if you are selling it. .. Don't become a dinosaur cause we all know what happend to them Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Often times I see librarians ask other librarians about books they see being checked out.. :) HA! *poke* ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Feb 22, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: IMHO Part of the Job requires to keep updated on apps and uses of the Net The librarian at least should now about the latest and greatest books Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Yep, providing it. That doesn't mean I know or use everything that is on it. Kinda link assuming a librarian has read every book in the library. So, I will ask, too, just what is twitter? Gino Villarini wrote: Are you in the Internet Bizz ? :-) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Pardon my ignorance, but what is twitter? (I guess I could google it, but the name sounds like it would bring up too many abstracts.) Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:49:24 -0600 I was thinking about it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:08 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Just curious if anyone other than myself (@tetherow) and Peter R (@radinfo) use twitter. --- - - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - -- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] DVR camera system
Might want to check out Inscape... all IP based... DVR software is free for that few cameras. Hit me offlist if you need a quote, spec sheets, etc. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ad...@svic.net Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:15 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DVR camera system Figured I would ask if anyone has any experience with different camera systems. Have a customer looking to put multiple systems in and need a solution. Anyone know of some good systems that do not use a lot of bandwidth overhead? The systems need to have up to 8 camera hook up to DVR and be able to be internet accessible. Mike Johns SVIC Internet Computers 114 N Main st. Chiefland, Fl 32626 Phone: 352-490-5433 Fax: 352-490-9532 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Newspaper Article
It may only be the Scottsbluff StarHerald, but think of the power of the press, if each WISP was to ask their local newspaper to write an article like this in the next few weeks. Great job Matt. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA Newspaper Article Its only the Scottsbluff StarHerald, but this was a nice write-up anyway http://www.starherald.com/articles/2009/02/22/news/local_news/doc49a0d84daae ad679125026.txt Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] tower issue
OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Newspaper Article
USAToday would be great. Somebody forward it! -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: It may only be the Scottsbluff StarHerald, but think of the power of the press, if each WISP was to ask their local newspaper to write an article like this in the next few weeks. Great job Matt. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA Newspaper Article Its only the Scottsbluff StarHerald, but this was a nice write-up anyway http://www.starherald.com/articles/2009/02/22/news/local_news/doc49a0d84daae ad679125026.txthttp://www.starherald.com/articles/2009/02/22/news/local_news/doc49a0d84daae%0Aad679125026.txt Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Newspaper Article
Matt, Excellent article. Did you get the ball rolling with the press there through a press release? What led to the reason for the article? Knowing this could help others to gain access to this positive press. Congrats, Scriv On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: Its only the Scottsbluff StarHerald, but this was a nice write-up anyway http://www.starherald.com/articles/2009/02/22/news/local_news/doc49a0d84daaead679125026.txt Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Rick, we have had a problem with a couple of StarOS APs where all the associations stop passing data. You reboot (maybe a couple times) and it comes back as normal. We originally thought it was a problem with the hardware, then we replaced all the hardware (the site had original WAR4 with SR9). Then after we replaced it with a WAR4-WP188 board brand new SR9, the problem was still happeneing. We haven't had the problem in a few weeks now after upgrading to the latest firmware (1.4.10b). Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
I agree with you and actually intend on replacing it. But, I doubt it's related since this setup has been running on this particular tower since 2004 (I bought the company this way). Also, it is set up on several others with no issues. I failed to mention these towers are in very rural locations so I doubt there is any interference. -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] DVR camera system
I started in the surveillance business long before I was in the wisp business. I have done surveillance systems all over the world including police and military applications. The system that streams the best over any type network is an H.264 based system. It uses 1/3 the bandwidth and storage of MPEG4. You can get a card that goes into a PC or a standalone system if you dont want to attempt that. Any base pc will work because it is not processor intensive. All of the coding is done on the card (MPEG4 is quite processor intensive). You can use IP cameras, but they usually require quite a bit of bandwidth. If you have more information, i would be glad to give you some recommendations off list. Jeremie Chism Message: 2 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:15:11 -0500 From: ad...@svic.net ad...@svic.net Subject: [WISPA] DVR camera system To: wireless@wispa.org Message-ID: ea4dfba1d6f642e2b37b896160d57607.ad...@svic.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Figured I would ask if anyone has any experience with different camera systems. Have a customer looking to put multiple systems in and need a solution. Anyone know of some good systems that do not use a lot of bandwidth overhead? The systems need to have up to 8 camera hook up to DVR and be able to be internet accessible. Mike Johns SVIC Internet Computers 114 N Main st. Chiefland, Fl 32626 Phone: 352-490-5433 Fax: 352-490-9532 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
I have seen it occationally on this tower and others but this one is really bad. I'm planning on replacing the WRAP with a WAR or Mikrotik. Hopefully that helps. Thanks! -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Rick, we have had a problem with a couple of StarOS APs where all the associations stop passing data. You reboot (maybe a couple times) and it comes back as normal. We originally thought it was a problem with the hardware, then we replaced all the hardware (the site had original WAR4 with SR9). Then after we replaced it with a WAR4-WP188 board brand new SR9, the problem was still happeneing. We haven't had the problem in a few weeks now after upgrading to the latest firmware (1.4.10b). Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Never assume a problem is ever interference no matter how rural you are. This is one of the biggest problem I see people are doing. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:04:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree with you and actually intend on replacing it. But, I doubt it's related since this setup has been running on this particular tower since 2004 (I bought the company this way). Also, it is set up on several others with no issues. I failed to mention these towers are in very rural locations so I doubt there is any interference. -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
I agree but such a sudden change? I mean like day night. Interesting to contemplate though. What does interference look like if IT is affecting a tower? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:08 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Never assume a problem is ever interference no matter how rural you are. This is one of the biggest problem I see people are doing. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:04:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree with you and actually intend on replacing it. But, I doubt it's related since this setup has been running on this particular tower since 2004 (I bought the company this way). Also, it is set up on several others with no issues. I failed to mention these towers are in very rural locations so I doubt there is any interference. -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
What I was trying to say is that it was the firmware that helped, not the hardware. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I have seen it occationally on this tower and others but this one is really bad. I'm planning on replacing the WRAP with a WAR or Mikrotik. Hopefully that helps. Thanks! -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Rick, we have had a problem with a couple of StarOS APs where all the associations stop passing data. You reboot (maybe a couple times) and it comes back as normal. We originally thought it was a problem with the hardware, then we replaced all the hardware (the site had original WAR4 with SR9). Then after we replaced it with a WAR4-WP188 board brand new SR9, the problem was still happeneing. We haven't had the problem in a few weeks now after upgrading to the latest firmware (1.4.10b). Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
It looks just like you described. Get a spectrum analyzer or a wi-spy and check it out. Chances are though you won't be there when it is happening. Phil On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 9:12 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I agree but such a sudden change? I mean like day night. Interesting to contemplate though. What does interference look like if IT is affecting a tower? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:08 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Never assume a problem is ever interference no matter how rural you are. This is one of the biggest problem I see people are doing. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:04:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree with you and actually intend on replacing it. But, I doubt it's related since this setup has been running on this particular tower since 2004 (I bought the company this way). Also, it is set up on several others with no issues. I failed to mention these towers are in very rural locations so I doubt there is any interference. -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Ah, gotcha. Thanks! -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: What I was trying to say is that it was the firmware that helped, not the hardware. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I have seen it occationally on this tower and others but this one is really bad. I'm planning on replacing the WRAP with a WAR or Mikrotik. Hopefully that helps. Thanks! -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Rick, we have had a problem with a couple of StarOS APs where all the associations stop passing data. You reboot (maybe a couple times) and it comes back as normal. We originally thought it was a problem with the hardware, then we replaced all the hardware (the site had original WAR4 with SR9). Then after we replaced it with a WAR4-WP188 board brand new SR9, the problem was still happeneing. We haven't had the problem in a few weeks now after upgrading to the latest firmware (1.4.10b). Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
A spectrum analyzer is a good idea. I tried and wasnt impressed with wi-spy. Is there anything else inexpensive that will analyze the spectrum? Thanks! -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: It looks just like you described. Get a spectrum analyzer or a wi-spy and check it out. Chances are though you won't be there when it is happening. Phil On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 9:12 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I agree but such a sudden change? I mean like day night. Interesting to contemplate though. What does interference look like if IT is affecting a tower? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:08 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Never assume a problem is ever interference no matter how rural you are. This is one of the biggest problem I see people are doing. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:04:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree with you and actually intend on replacing it. But, I doubt it's related since this setup has been running on this particular tower since 2004 (I bought the company this way). Also, it is set up on several others with no issues. I failed to mention these towers are in very rural locations so I doubt there is any interference. -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
As an aside and amazing enough, I've got a tower in the middle of town and I know the 2.4 noise floor is high but just cooks along with no problems. -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: It looks just like you described. Get a spectrum analyzer or a wi-spy and check it out. Chances are though you won't be there when it is happening. Phil On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 9:12 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I agree but such a sudden change? I mean like day night. Interesting to contemplate though. What does interference look like if IT is affecting a tower? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:08 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Never assume a problem is ever interference no matter how rural you are. This is one of the biggest problem I see people are doing. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:04:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree with you and actually intend on replacing it. But, I doubt it's related since this setup has been running on this particular tower since 2004 (I bought the company this way). Also, it is set up on several others with no issues. I failed to mention these towers are in very rural locations so I doubt there is any interference. -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Not really. The WI-Spy is very good if you know how to use it. Just like any spectrum analyzer. But you need a connectorized model and to track down interference source you need directional antennas. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:26:39 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue A spectrum analyzer is a good idea. I tried and wasnt impressed with wi-spy. Is there anything else inexpensive that will analyze the spectrum? Thanks! -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: It looks just like you described. Get a spectrum analyzer or a wi-spy and check it out. Chances are though you won't be there when it is happening. Phil On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 9:12 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I agree but such a sudden change? I mean like day night. Interesting to contemplate though. What does interference look like if IT is affecting a tower? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:08 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Never assume a problem is ever interference no matter how rural you are. This is one of the biggest problem I see people are doing. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:04:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree with you and actually intend on replacing it. But, I doubt it's related since this setup has been running on this particular tower since 2004 (I bought the company this way). Also, it is set up on several others with no issues. I failed to mention these towers are in very rural locations so I doubt there is any interference. -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Marlon, I was thinking about what you said about high gain omni antennas sending more signal UP. With respect to direction, what's the difference between between a high gain unit and a lower gain unit? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Generally a omni send signal straight out and a high gain omni might only have 5 to 6 degree vertical beam width. So only 2.5 to 3 deg is aim down. A lower gain antenna will have wider beam width. But then you also have quality antennas with electronic downtilt on them so say a high gain antenna with 7deg beam (typical on a 12dB omni) you have 3 degree electronic downtil (also typical value) only 0.5 degrees of the signal is sent above horizon line. A 15dB omni might only have about 5 deg beam and if you have no electronic downtilt it becomes useless on taller structures. Unless your clients are only far out (depending on hight might have to be very far out). You can play with my down tilt calculator. http://www.wisp-router.com/calculators/downtilt.php You do not want to have customers closer then the inner -3dB radius and most of them should be close to the sweet spot and of course they should not be outside outer -3dB (with omni generally no risk unless your providing internet to aliens. ;) ) /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:23:55 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Marlon, I was thinking about what you said about high gain omni antennas sending more signal UP. With respect to direction, what's the difference between between a high gain unit and a lower gain unit? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Often good signal levels but rotten throughput. Or good signal to the customers and rotten at the ap. http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/survey.htm That's a good look at what interference can and does do to you if it's the wrong (right?) kind. I assume you've tried a different channel already? That's one of the first things I always do these days. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree but such a sudden change? I mean like day night. Interesting to contemplate though. What does interference look like if IT is affecting a tower? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:08 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Never assume a problem is ever interference no matter how rural you are. This is one of the biggest problem I see people are doing. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:04:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree with you and actually intend on replacing it. But, I doubt it's related since this setup has been running on this particular tower since 2004 (I bought the company this way). Also, it is set up on several others with no issues. I failed to mention these towers are in very rural locations so I doubt there is any interference. -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
http://cgi.ebay.com/Tektronix-2754-50kHz-21GHz-RF-Spectrum-Analyzer-Tested_W0QQitemZ390031649077QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Analyzers?hash=item390031649077_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-8593E-Spectrum-Analyzer-9kHz-22-GHz-Opts-4-41_W0QQitemZ370160713052QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item370160713052_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 http://cgi.ebay.com/Tektronix-492-50kHz-40GHz-Spectrum-Analyzer-NICE_W0QQitemZ290296909236QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Analyzers?hash=item290296909236_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 Oh heck, there are nearly 400 on ebay right now. I have both a Berkly Varitronics Yellow Jacket (over prices but easy to use and very portable) and an Advantest (ex Sprint Cellular unit) that'll do 9k through 8g. They don't get used very often, but when they do... I don't know how a guy can run without one these days. Oh yeah, you can always rent one from Rentelco. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue A spectrum analyzer is a good idea. I tried and wasnt impressed with wi-spy. Is there anything else inexpensive that will analyze the spectrum? Thanks! -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: It looks just like you described. Get a spectrum analyzer or a wi-spy and check it out. Chances are though you won't be there when it is happening. Phil On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 9:12 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I agree but such a sudden change? I mean like day night. Interesting to contemplate though. What does interference look like if IT is affecting a tower? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:08 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Never assume a problem is ever interference no matter how rural you are. This is one of the biggest problem I see people are doing. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:04:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree with you and actually intend on replacing it. But, I doubt it's related since this setup has been running on this particular tower since 2004 (I bought the company this way). Also, it is set up on several others with no issues. I failed to mention these towers are in very rural locations so I doubt there is any interference. -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Vertical radiation pattern. Read this for a better description: http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm Look closely at the very first antenna pattern. http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/15_omni.jpg See how much of the energy goes UP instead of down. And if you look closely you'll see that the main lobe goes up instead of straight out, or, more importantly, down toward the customers. I buy the 8 dB Maxrad omni antennas with electrical downtilt these days. Almost always 4* of downtilt, but sometimes I'll go as high as 12*. If you drop from a 15 dB to a 12 you'll DOUBLE your vertical coverage zone. Or very close to it. That 15 dB omni you have probably has a 2 to 5* vertical pattern. An 8 dB will have closer to 12 or 15 (I don't remember exact numbers off the top of my head). In a nutshell, gain comes only from the focusing of energy. You can only get that in two plains. Horizontal and vertical. Everyone looks at two numbers, horizontal (omni, 120*, 180*, 90* sector etc.) and gain (15dB, 12dB, 6dB, 24dB etc.). For the customer side the horizontal pattern doesn't mean much because you'll point the antenna straight at the tower's antenna anyway. At the tower though, you need to cover MUCH more area, both from side to side AND up and down. That help? marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Marlon, I was thinking about what you said about high gain omni antennas sending more signal UP. With respect to direction, what's the difference between between a high gain unit and a lower gain unit? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
